Utah Jazz @ Sacramento Kings - Game Thread
by Basketball John on Dec 2, 2008 4:44 PM MST
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Utah Jazz at Sacramento Kings, Dec 2, 2008 8:00 PM MST
The starting 5
The Jazz look tonight to provide the same whooping on the Kings that they gave last week at the ESA.
The bad news is that the Jazz don't win in SacTown that much. They're 1 for their last 6. On the plus side, the Kings can't seem to win at home either.
Boozer and AK will sit this one out again. Kevin Martin is expected to make his debut. He's always killed us. But Salmons could be out.
I don't expect the blowout like the last game. First of all, we're on the road. Second, we're without AK. Martin is back. He'll be coming off the bench, so he may not be as effective as he has been in the past.
I still expect the Jazz to to win comfortably.
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Salmons/ Martin
Have to be contained. I don’t expect either one to be on top of their game, but that doesn’t mean they can’t have a huge effect on the game. The good news is that at no time will we see Harp on Salmons- we all know what kind of massacre that turns into.
The Jazz need to be aggressive on the perimeter when Martin, Gomez, or Salmons are camped out there. I know its “gimmicky” but trapping on the pick and roll will cause a lot of turnovers (see: the last Kings/ Jazz game). Beno doesn’t have the best ball handling skills and is TO prone anyway.
If Memo is shooting well and the Brew/ CJ combo are aggressive this could be a much needed win.
come on
I hate late game times. I’m bored to tears at work and I need some ball already.
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yeah and i can't finish watching the game at home.
i have to dash off to work at halftime and finish watching/listening to the game there.
not to mention
a late start time means a late finish time, which makes my work harder. Bah.
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Just curious (but yes, kinda off topic)
did LHM say he wasn’t going to go over the luxury tax limit? Or was it the salary tax (which is total BS by the NBA) limit?
luxury tax, not salary cap
The Jazz are already over the salary cap, if I remember rightly. Larry said he would not exceed the luxury tax threshold.
For the benefit of those who aren’t aware (I’m assuming UtesFan is), there is a gap between the so-called “soft” salary cap, and the luxury tax threshold. After a team hits the salary cap, they can’t sign additional free agents, except under specific exceptions, such as the “Larry Bird” exception, for players who have been with that team for at least three consecutive years, or the “midlevel” exception, equivalent to the average player salary in the league.
Click here for the definitive NBA salary cap FAQ. There’s a TON to understand about the cap, and I’m no expert, but it isn’t hard to get the basics.
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Thanks
yeah, that’s what I was thinking, was just making sure.
Also, if anyone knows… anyone know where I can find a list of the team’s salaries for next year?
there's your movement
lots of it on that possession. Of course, it was ugly. But it was there.
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We get to listen to the loudmouth behind B&B all night.
“how physical does millsap suppose to get before somebody gets hurt?” – moron
hey!
Indiana took down the Lake Show tonight! That’s always good times. Well done, Granger.
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we'll see what happens when they finally leave Staples
Probably not much, but it’ll be nice to see some tests.
Brad Miller
unstoppable. Good for my fantasy team. Bad for the Jazzmans.
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Koof sighting
and promptly called for a push-off foul. Ugh. Not our night in Sacto.
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we have no one to step up or bring energy
the final box score is going to look like that night the knicks played right after the trades and they only had 7 players
So, continuing with the salary questions I've had before
if Okur opts out, who do you think he bases his salary demands on?
Okur is most likely to sign an extension.
by Basketball John on Dec 2, 2008 8:37 PM MST up reply actions
And...
Brand after last season or Booze after this one… which one would you pay more for (Jazz or anti-Booze bias aside, please)
that
was a horror show of a quarter.
Pick it up, please, gentlemen.
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Only Jazzmen not to score
Almond and………….. D-Will. I know the ankle’s recovering and all, but still.
i am at work and you guys are making it sound like a slaughterfest.
Then I checked the score and we are down 4. Let’s see some optimism, huh. Some of us are dealing with bodily fluids all night.
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And all of the sudden, the Northwest division is pretty deep. Portland and Denver are playing good ball.
Seriously. We have 3 of the top 12 or so teams in the league.
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Yep.
FWIW, ESPN’s (Hollinger, I think) predictions (updated daily, based on old results only, I think)… have the Jazz finishing 8th in the West at 43-39. Yikes.
That is a ranking based on computers and stats.
He wrote today that he expects Utah and SA to quickly move themselves up.
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That's like the year that Ostertag
Was making more than Stockton
by Basketball John on Dec 2, 2008 8:46 PM MST up reply actions
who'd have thought
the guy to stop the slump on both ends of the floor would be… Mo Nuts?
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I had never heard that nickname 'til like 4 games ago
And I want him to come back just because of it…
I thought I had made it up
then I heard someone else use it. So either my old blog was more popular than I thought, or I’m just not that clever/original.
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So I am a Boozer supporter, but I am starting to think that Millsap is our biggest offseason priority.
Anyone else agree?
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And how much do you think it would take to re-sign Millsap? I mean, we will probably have to match an offer sheet, but I think it would be under 10 mill/year.
And I don’t want us to trade AK anymore. I mean, I don’t think it’s a necessity anymore.
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I dunno
Paulie’s young, but I’m not sure how much upside he has. Can he really get us 20 and 10 a night, given starter’s minutes? Because a healthy Boozer is a lock for that. Or maybe 15 and 8 from Sap is better, given his superior defense.
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Salaries for next season...
Booze is due 12.3 million. He’s 2 years younger than Brand (but has missed 1 more season… kinda… due to injury). Brand got 13.78 million this year.
Okur is due 9 million next year. Not sure who to compare him to.
Korver is due 5.34 million. I tried comparing him to Kapono (3 ppg less than Korver, but 46.6% from long range to Korver’s 40.8%)… Kapono’s first year on his new contract only got him 5.35 million.
’Sap is due nothing. I compared him to Turiaf (high energy guys off the bench that were 2nd round picks)… Turiaf is getting 4.5 million this year.
How much money was Landry offered by Charlotte? He is in a very similar situation to Millsap.
And Korver will only opt out, if he doesn’t like playing in Utah. He can’t get more money, so it will be a personal decision type thing.
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Really? That low. Millsap will get at least 5 million/year.
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Definitely
has to beat Turiaf’s 4.5 million.
’Sap will have the same NBA time, and has better numbers.
How much does Ilgauskas make? He is similar to Okur.
Most experts think Okur will not opt out, cuz he can’t get better money. I agree. Boozer will be looking for a max contract, no doubt.
Millsap will get 8-10 million/year, I have to believe. I don’t think we will extend him until we see what Booze does, but I think we will match an offer sheet at all costs, if Boozer bolts. He is restricted. Could be a sticky situation though. We could lose both, hypothetically.
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I fear
Millsap will be the main offseason target for some team, sort of like Raja Bell was for the Suns, and that he’ll get a call right at midnight for some crazy amount that the Jazz are simply unwilling to match. So Sap will go, Boozer will dither for a few weeks and then go, and we’ll be stuck starting the Koof.
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But you'd think they'd match anyway...
…and then take their chances with the Boozer/Okur contracts even if they keep all 3 for 1 year. Don’t be cheap Uncle Larry!
That is truly the worst case scenario.
But I hope the Jazz are smart enough to deal with Boozer only if he is a sure thing. If he is hedging, then they have to sign Millsap. A team like Charlotte or Memphis will absolutely go after Millsap. Although it will be the summer of thrifty spending due to the crop of 2010 free agents, so that may help the Jazz.
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Miller had that weird hitch on follow through where his right hand went toward his left...
I haven’t seen enough of Almond to notice.
Okay, not certain but
I kind estimated the luxury tax and all.
Then using the max-ish for Booze, 6 for ‘Sap (Haslem started with 5), and assuming Okur doesn’t opt out (so 9), the Jazz would have to replace Korver, Fesenko, Flop, Almond, Price & Knight for about 4 million. Korver is due 5.34, so I think the Bird Rights or something would allow him to stay.
Oh
there is a team option on Fesenko for 870 K. According to some sites. Other sites don’t show it as a team option. Not sure.
I agree.
It will come down to keeping Boozer or AK next season. But not both.
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the problem is
AK’s under contract. We can’t just not pay him. So if we decide we’re going to sign Boozer, we HAVE to find a willing taker for Andrei. And at his price, that will be very, very difficult. Best case, we end up trading him for 20 or 30 cents on the dollar, because after we sign Boozer every single team will have us over a barrel.
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Just wondering...
if the Knicks really want Booze, how about Malik Rose (expiring) & David Lee (like getting another ’Sap) for him?
It’ll probably be easier to trade Booze than AK…
Millsap
THREE fouls. Perhaps one of the biggest things to drive down his value. Whether he gets the rawest deal ever, or just isn’t smart enough to hide his contact, or whatever, the fact remains: he gets fouls called on him a LOT.
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we're getting hosed
on the total foul count regardless. Sap with 3, the Koof with 3, Ronnie B and CJ with 2.
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no legs
on that shot from D-Will. Is he already tired or is the ankle still bothering him?
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How did we only score 39 points? At least our defensive numbers will look good, if we keep this up.
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I just wanted to see how realistic it was
if the Jazz wanted to keep Booze, Okur, ’Sap & even Korver
Leading scorers right now
CJ with 6
Brewer, Korver & Almond with 5.
Is it bad if our leading scorers are all wings?
What a hideous game so far
Both teams look horrible so far.
Martin looks rusty, but you don’t want to give him too many open shots for too long.
The Jazz turning the ball over like crazy but the Kings can’t make layups if their lives depended on it.
Second half goes to whoever focuses and starts playing good basketball.
Jazz have a better coach in Sloan, Kings have Theus who has some grudge against JT and doesn’t play him.
"It's as Ann as the nose on plain's face."
seriously
what is Theus’ grudge against the rook? Thompson is a baller, I’d be giving him 25-30 mins a night.
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Can't take Mikki Moore out though
he has the veteran experience the team needs for a playoff push. Oh wait…
I'm trying
to avoid the mental image that evoked. Cheers for that one, mate.
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sneak peek at tomorrow's news
Boozer won’t play against the Heat, and says he’s “a week away.” He also says he’s “good friends with a lot of the guys” on the Heat, but that “It’s just friendships, know what I mean?” And Sloan doesn’t think the impending offseason has distracted Boozer’s effort so far this season, calling him “terrific to work with.”
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Did everyone get bored?
maybe it’s just because I’m stuck at work that I’m persisting in watching this rubbish.
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Somebody
must have told Boozer not to watch the game so closely when he’s on the mike. Or at least to not yell about it.
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"So I am getting better day by day...Oh get on that Millsap! Way to go buddy!... And so i am just rehabbing.
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Brewer's numbers look good. Has HE looked good?
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Also, Deron Williams has a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio.
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MAN
that fan right behind the bench, and apparently right in front of the mike, needs to shut his word hole.
And now a BS call on the other end. Bollocks.
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I don't understand why our team gets so many turnovers. i mean our offense relies on accurate passing.
But mostly it is just due to slopiness. Not because we run a difficult offense.
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Stop with the jumpers!
Why is J-Slo doing anything about this? I thought he’d go bench everyone and put in himself, Corbin & LHM amongst others.
actually a salient observation from Boler and Booner
there has been ZERO pace or rhythm to this game. In past years, that might favor the half-court offense that Jerry Sloan likes. Lately, though, I think we really need a certain amount of up-and-down to get into an offensive groove.
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Let's just rebound and not turn the ball over.
How’s that for a pep talk?
by Basketball John on Dec 2, 2008 10:17 PM MST reply actions
then draws another frickin foul from Korver
what, has he been taking non-gay-elf-defense lessons from Harp?
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This totally sucks. I am watching from ESPN game cast.
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I'm tired.
Late games suck. Especially when the refs are utter crap and have to blow the whistle every single play.
Let them play!
AND 1!
I got ya Booze. Millsap with the great play and amazing pass from Deron.
by Basketball John on Dec 2, 2008 10:22 PM MST reply actions
lol
Boler on D-Will: “Like a seamstress! Threading the needle!”
somehow I don’t think that nickname will catch on.
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by Shums on Dec 2, 2008 10:22 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
That 15 footer by Deron
Must have made Jerry so proud.
by Basketball John on Dec 2, 2008 10:24 PM MST reply actions
YES
huge board, Mehmet. Thanks for choking when it counts, Miller.
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Danielle isn't here to cheer him on.
by Basketball John on Dec 2, 2008 10:28 PM MST up reply actions
she said she had to work
he actually played a bit better without her around. Aside from the fouls.
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Deron said...
umm, hi, we’re not going to lose.
I miss that from him
Hey! We did this season, what we couldn't do last season.
Win in sacramento. i will take it. Glad I didn’t have to watch it.
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Most importantly...
We stay with Denver and Portland. Those guys just can’t lose and we can’t afford to fall too far behind. My prediction for tomorrow night? Wade scores 48 points and shoots 37 free throws, but we win by 6.
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