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Let Boozer Walk?

The fear around here seems to be that Booze will jump ship after the season, leaving and netting the Jazz nothing in return. And to lose a key player in such fashion could hurt the team. But maybe, just maybe, it would be best if the Jazz just let Booze walk after the season. (Please, hear me out... I'm kind of confident that I'm not totally insane.)

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Think about it. Trading him would require bringing back players that have contracts (because all players have contracts)... and contracts coming close to Boozer's current contract value. This would lessen the cap space available after the season, because it's highly unlikely that you trade Booze for expiring contracts (unless you're trying to pull off a Gasol deal, in which case the fans would probably jump all over KOC & crew). 

Letting him leave obviously has it's disadvantages... like, oh, I don't know... the loss of a top PF in the league (offensively) without getting any players in return. But by letting him walk, you open up more cap space after the season... space that will be needed to resign Okur & Korver & 'Sap & Price, especially if LHM is serious about not going over the salary cap.

Think about it... Booze getting traded requires bringing in players in return... the Jazz have no roster spots open. Trading Booze in a straight up one-for-one doesn't make sense... plus you're not going to get much because other teams will be vary of him leaving as well. Say you somehow trade for a couple players and fit them all in... you just cause a bigger mess at whatever positions. You're probably going to get either a 3 or a 4 (depending on how J-Slow views AK)... a 4 just leaves AK in the wrong position, a 3 just keeps the over-saturation that we have there, stealing minutes from CJ/Almond & even Brewer (if last year's 24 mpg near the end of the season mean anything). Or say you add a defensive-minded 5 in the trade as well... that'll just add to the quartet we already have (even if half of them might not be NBA-"ready" right now). And again, roster space.

If he leaves, sure you suffer a bit offensively (at least at first). Maybe. Move AK over to the 4. Resign Okur & Korver, they can both start. Or you can start CJ at the 3, and keep Korver as the guy off of the bench (a role that might suit his game better). Deron & Brewer start at the guards. Price is resigned to back up Deron, Almond can back up Ronnie (provided he has improved from his shooting-only showing at the RMR this year). Harpring will probably still be here. 'Sap can back-up AK; hopefully Fesenko &/or Koufos can become the back-up to Okur. If the team is still lacking in inside presence (which it will be unless one of the guys develops a serious inside game in 1 years time), there will be FAs (as a back-up for Okur maybe?) and a 2nd round pick (the first round pick will probably go to Minnesota via Philadelphia... it is top-22 protected).

Obviously, losing a talent like Booze will hurt (look at Cleveland... they still haven't recovered and tried to fill the void by trading for Ben Wallace). But the Jazz have the talent to overcome the loss (provided the team doesn't try to keep AK at the 3 and bring in some random guy to start at the 4).

Now, do you have to trade Booze if you get an amazing offer? Yes, most definitely. But if it doesn't come, maybe it's better to let him walk than trying to deal him for an offer that might not be as good as you'd like. And who knows, maybe the cap space you get by letting him leaves ends up being superior to the players you'd get by trading him (especially if you're forced to let some of your own key guys leave as a result).

Just my $0.02 though.

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Great post

Thanks for posting this here UtesFan. This will likely dominate the season unless something is resolved prior.

He will opt out. That’s one thing for certain. He can get more money from the Jazz and from others that way.

So we have to look at what the Jazz will do once he opts out. The biggest thing is that they’re going to have to decide between AK and Boozer. I used to think that they would trade AK and sign Boozer. But with Greg Miller running the show now, I don’t know how it will play out.

It sounds like it was his idea to sign CJ. Larry stated that he thought it was too much to pay him. So he probably would have let him go.

I think re-signing CJ was good. The amount did surprise me a bit, but it’s not outrageous. So if it was Greg’s idea, he won me over a little with that one.

But in reality, he’s a brand new owner so to speak. Larry’s name is still listed as the franchise owner, but he’s not going to be doing as much going forward.

So what they decide now with Boozer and AK, I don’t know. I really need to write something up on Greg. I don’t know much about him. In his press conference and interviews after being named CEO, he said he wouldn’t have much to do with the Jazz for now. But it sounds like he’s already taken the reins. It’s a interesting time for the franchise. I’ll be looking forward to how things play out.

by Basketball John on Aug 11, 2008 11:25 AM MDT   0 recs

What Ive read about him

makes it sound like hes just not as interested in the team, from a fan perspective, as his dad. No more high five in the locker room from the owner for the Jazz, at least for right now. He might grow into it, but if hes been going to games for years allready like the article I read said, and he still had no idea what the front ofices most pressing concern was(at that time, sighning D-Will) then I would doubt it ever gonna develop. It seams like for greg, this will just be buiseness, with no passion.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 2:02 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, and it looks like

larry got out the hospital, on the 8th. Hope he feals well enough to still help the Jazz.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 2:28 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate to be the outsider to rain on this parade

But this is based on the problematic conclusion that the Jazz can simply use whatever money Boozer was going to make if he didn’t opt-out as salary cap space to be used on other players. They can’t, at least not in 2009.

Take a look at the Jazz’s salary situation next offseason. Including the options for Boozer, Okur and Korver, their total team salary is over 73 million, putting them just under the projected luxury tax level. If Boozer opts out, all that does is lower the Jazz’s team salary down to the projected salary cap, meaning they can only increase their team salary through exceptions (e.g. mid-level, low-level, etc). You cannot combine exceptions, so that 12 million cannot be used all at once.

The only time you are allowed to go over the salary cap (not the luxury tax) without using one of those exceptions is to re-sign your own players (e.g. Bird Rights). You cannot go over the cap to sign someone else’s free agents, unless it’s by one of the exceptions.

Basically, the only thing gained by letting Boozer walk for “nothing” is more room under the luxury tax. Even now, the Jazz can use all their exceptions if they wish, though it’ll cost them double because they’d be over the luxury tax.

Now, if Okur opts out as well, the Jazz have about 9 million dollars of cap space to use, but I assume that if both opt out, you’ll want one of them back, so that cap space will be gone.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Aug 11, 2008 12:27 PM MDT   0 recs

If I'm understanding you correctly

(which, knowing me, isn’t a given by any stretch of the imagination), what you’re saying is that the Jazz can’t just go sign (insert big-name FA here) without going over the cap, right?

I’m not advocating signing a big-name guy…

As I’m seeing the salary situation, the Jazz are at $41 million if all 3 opt-out, $46 or so if they pick up the options on Brewer, Almond & Fesenko. That would put the team $27 million under the $43 million luxury tax mark.

That money is not enough to resign all 3… since they cost that much combined right now, and they’re all going to want more. But it will be enough to sign 2 of them. On the other hand, if you trade Booze for some one (or more than 1 player) with contract, you have less money to resign your guys, because you’ll be closer to the $73 million mark before counting the 3. So then you’d end up going over to resign even 2 of the guys.

Or am I reading it wrong?

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 12:48 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess what I'm asking is...

if all 3 opt out, and the Jazz resign all of them and end up over the luxury tax limit, they still have to pay it, right? Or do they avoid it because all 3 guys are on their team right now?

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 12:49 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The point is

You’ll only end up being able to use half of what Boozer would have made if he didn’t opt out on someone else, and that assumes Korver and Okur don’t get raises. You might as well sign Okur and Boozer (or s&t Boozer for similar salary, which is a lot more unrealistic than it seems, since s&ts don’t happen much), not re-sign Korver (since C.J. Miles can be a backup SG, otherwise why re-sign him) and trim salary elsewhere (cut Harpring’s unguaranteed contract, renounce Almond/Fesenko, etc).

The other thing is that Utah only has 11 players currently under contract next season, counting Boozer/Okur/Korver. I’m not sure I see this roster crunch you speak of. Re-signing Millsap brings that total to 12, but not re-signing Korver brings it back down to 11. You can s&t Boozer for three players and still have open roster spots.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Aug 11, 2008 1:25 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

As an aside

I think that final paragraph explains why Larry Miller was so against the C.J. Miles signing. If Korver doesn’t opt-out, you’re basically paying 4 million a year for a third-string shooting guard when your two best frontcourt players need extensions.

This discussion might be pointless if the Jazz let him go.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Aug 11, 2008 1:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

But couldn't the jazz work a trade

with a team under the cap, for an unprovan high upside “Prospect” ala salery dump nuggets? This only works if Utah can take back any salery. I imagine ANY team under the cap, would be willing to give up some young prospect for a chance to play with Boozer.

Would that work? If the Jazz could find a team under the cap enough to take on Boozers salary in full, so they didn’t have to take back a matching contract,would they be able to take back on anything? First rounder maybee? Could they take on a much smaller contract in exchange for Boozers if the other team is under the cap enough?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 2:18 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, sure

But you can’t count on that (not to mention it’s like getting nothing for something anyway). Who is going to be under the cap enough while also being in a position where they’re trying to win immediately and are willing to trade a top prospect? (I’m asking, I honestly haven’t looked). Portland? Why would Portland want Boozer? Indiana? Memphis?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Aug 11, 2008 3:14 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no idea

Portland has 3 servicable pfs allready, so I doubt it, there big on culture right now, so I doubt the mercinary style would fly, but at some point soon, we have to start thinking about winning, and Aldridge and Fry are easily tradable peices that would net great value, and Boozer is… well… he’s fricken Boozer, so ya never know. But even (S)pending (P)aul (A)llens (M)oney wouldn’t garrentee that he’d like the weather.

I would think it would be a market that is somewhere he would want to live and play, right? I have never read a Boozer interview before recently, so I don’t know if hes ever mentioned a preference. Some people seam to think that he might like Miami? is that right? I don’t think they would fit the nessassary template, but is there a team that might?

BTW Marion was ever so happy to leave a contender, so would Boozer be happy to do the same for the right bags of cash? If a team in a market was able to keep him, he would be a fantastic peice to build around. So I don’t know if it has to be a win now team, just a place he wants to be that will pay him.

Oh and it wouldn’t be like getting nothing for something entirely if you were able to get a high draft pick, and or a rookie contract with some upside. Tis all really assumes that Kirilekos play improves to his olympic stats and that your sliding him over to the 4. Did he ever play the 4 for the Jazz?

I guess a good place to start is nailing down the primary motivator. Is it cash? is it location? I guess I should be asking Why do Jazz fans think Boozer might walk? What is he unhappy about?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 5:16 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Booze

He’s friends with the guys in Miami (Wade, the owner, something like that).
And his son has sickle cell or something, so the altitude here isn’t good for him. (not sure about the altitude in Portland.)
And his wife hates it here, supposedly.

AK played the 4 the one year that he was an All-Star at least, I think that season is sandwiched by the Malone era and the Booze age.

To trade him and acquire only a rookie contract, you’d have to find a team with a ton of cap space. Aren’t those teams all saving up to run after Wade/’Bron/etc. now?

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 5:35 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah they are,

But if I was in Sweedon(s?) lookin for a hottie, and some Brazilian modal tried spending time with me, I wouldn’t act the fool. So I’de bet there has to be some frachise, that would take a sure thing in Boose, rather then risk being left out in the impending Hungry, Hungy Hippo free agency. Appenertly the qualifications, would be for it to be at a more reasonable altitude, capspace to eathis contract, and a willingness to give him max money. Oh yeah, and some kind of young cheep talent as the perverbial bone. Would that be right?

Again this assumes that AK would fill Boozers void and scoring could be made up for with wing play. Korver? But without a post threat, Korver becomes a little less effective, isnt he a catch and release 3point threaght threat? D-Will with the penatration and kickout?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 5:54 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

No, it is getting nothing for something

If a team is under the cap, they’ll just sign Boozer outright. They aren’t trading anything for him, unless they really want the Bird Rights and the sixth year on the contract.

The reason the Camby trade happened is because Camby wasn’t a free agent.

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by Pradamaster on Aug 11, 2008 5:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

so is it to late

to make any trades this offseason?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 5:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Nobody's under the cap

Except for Memphis.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Aug 11, 2008 6:35 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

dont do it

the grizzlies need a good powerforward, with a line up of… WOW

pg = connaly
sg = mayo
sf = gay
pf = BOOZER
c = gasol

Boozer would imediatly add the vetrain presence that team is missing. hes a fricken olympian.

that team could win.

Is memphis high altitude?

It doesnt look like they have any young talent they are not going to use, or anything that the Jazz might want. Draft picks?

I’de bet memphis would jump at it.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 7:20 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

How much cap room does memphis have?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 7:25 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, but the guys going

are Knight & Flop, and ‘Sap isn’t going anywhere, I don’t think.
Knight and Flop are easily replaceable by anyone with a pulse… especially if Price comes back.

The crunch comes from the overload at the 4 spot (Okur, Fesenko, Koufos… 2 who still have to prove they can play) and at the wings (Brewer, Almond, CJ, Korver, AK, Harpring). Both crunches will still be there after this coming season.

And, as I stated, the problem with trading Booze for 3 players is their contracts, which (I think) will make it harder to resign Okur & Korver without going over the cap (again, I think).

Again, maybe I’m just misunderstanding this luxury tax thing.

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, that's easy

Cut Harpring and his unguaranteed contract, or if Sham is wrong, don’t pick up the options on Almond and Fesenko.

Better that then letting a franchise cornerstone walk for nothing.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Aug 11, 2008 4:30 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sure about Harpring

haven’t heard anything about that. I’m sure someone would’ve brought it up if it was infact unguaranteed.

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 5:38 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

so do you se kirilenko as a 3 the?

is that where his skills are of greatest use?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 4:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

errr:-(

Do you see Kirilenko as a small forward only?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 5:19 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Me?

No. I think he can play the 4… in fact, I’ve been saying for a couple of seasons now that the 4 is probably a better spot for his game (especially given his horrendous outside shooting until last season, and the fact that he… as a 3… was always standing in 3-point range).

And, again… it might’ve been a slight over-performance on his part, but he was an All-Star as a 4.

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 5:39 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

played well in the olympics at the 4 also

I think the future is without Boozer, one way or another. Thats IF his real motivation is concern for the wellfair of his family, and if the altitude really effects anything.

If those things are true, is it better to let it ride for another year with him on the roster, stunting AK, and letting him walk for nothing? Or trading him now to a team that fits his long terms requirements with the nessassary capspace, for a token prospect. Thats at least something. This would let AK play to his potential, and relieve any fears about being able to afford any other future signings.

On the other hand, Boozer would be playing very hard for the next year though. But that leaves Andrei on the wing, which might only pile on the discontent that is Andrei, adding possibly to his leaving as well. Which begs another question, with the post threat that is Boozer, wouldn’t a better use of Korvers three be when teams are double teaming Carlos down low? Would you trade Korvers three for AKs’?

Does the future lie in Kirilenko, or Boozer? Or is there really room for both?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 6:16 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

So UtesFan...

What you seem to be saying is that maybe it wouldn’t be too catastrophic to roll with the roster we’ve got right now, sans Boozer? Because Prada’s right; letting Boozer walk does nothing as far as new acquisitions, aside from taking us further from that luxury barrier. We would have precisely the same salary cap exceptions to use in signing new players as before, only without Boozer’s money, using those exceptions would not put us in luxury-tax range. That’s the only difference.

So what you’re saying is, let Boozer leave, resign Memo and Korver, which keeps us under the luxury tax, and use our exceptions to sign some other forward as a free agent, or simply go with what we’ve got. Well, I see what you’re getting at, but for all his faults, I’ll say this: we are NOT a better team if we simply subtract Carlos Boozer. We’re a much, much worse team, in my opinion.

Your roster ends up looking like this:

PG: D-Will, Price, Knight
SG: Brewer, Korver, Almond
SF: CJ, Harpring
PF: AK47, Millsap, Koufos
C: Okur, Fesenko
(this assumes we re-sign Price, Almond, ‘Sap, Fes, and Ronnie B, and we don’t re-sign Collins)

Even if you add a solid free-agent big man (someone on the level of, say Andries Biedrins), that just isn’t a championship roster, in my opinion.

I'll make it.

by Shums on Aug 11, 2008 1:20 PM MDT   0 recs

maybee I'm wrong,

but it looks like the needed upgrade would be at the 2 or 3 spot, and not he 4.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 2:25 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Truthfully

I’m not sure if this year’s squad is a championship roster either.

As for the upgrade… put Korver at the 3, and sign a back-up/3rd string SG.
Oh, and Knight will be gone too, unless he is resigned.

The team loses their inside presence, but I’m not sure you get one back even if you trade Booze.

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:22 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

*gulp* I can't believe I am going to defend The Snake...
Obviously, losing a talent like Booze will hurt (look at Cleveland… they still haven’t recovered and tried to fill the void by trading for Ben Wallace). But the Jazz have the talent to overcome the loss

Don’t get me wrong… I hate The Snake. But I think you’re up in the night if you think that the Jazz have the talent to overcome the loss. Okay… they can “sort of” absorb the loss, but they lose 6-7 wins a year in my opinion. They are definitely not as good a team, and to me, that isn’t really absorbing the loss.

You bring up some good points but letting Booze go for nothing does hurt this franchise.

by Ute Awe Man on Aug 11, 2008 1:56 PM MDT   0 recs

I would be curious to know if you think

Boozers a better defender then Kikilenko?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 2:22 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

are you kidding me?

Boozer can’t defend anything. He kills the Jazz defensively. AK is a much better defender. Especially on the help defense coming over and blocking shots from the back side. (Basically covering Boozer because he can’t defend worth a lick.)

by Ute Awe Man on Aug 11, 2008 8:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

kinda what I thought, just had to put it out there,

specialy since there is a notion that losing Booser would translate into more losses. Better defence usually translates into more wins. Also, you would have Korver to drain threes on the kickouts from Derron.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 9:00 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I really don't think

the difference would be 6-7 wins.
You’re underestimating AK’s effectiveness at the 4… that or I’m overestimating it.
And ‘Sap off the bench (I don’t think the Jazz let him go) is still a solid presence who could get a couple more minutes here or there without fouling out, I think.

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 3:29 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess I should've added...

one thing that brings this thought around is the fact that he might end up leaving.
Even if the cash isn’t greater elsewhere, the altitude here isn’t good for his son (and his wife hates it here, it seems)... and that could be enough to force him out the door after the season (or during).

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 5:41 PM MDT   0 recs

great post

i’m all for boozer being gone. obviously the first choice would be to get someone back for him, but letting him walk suits me fine too. i heart AK at the four, and while i don’t think sap is ready to step into a bigger role yet, he will improve and hopefully become less foul-prone. i don’t think the stat dropoff would be significant with ak/sap/committee manning the 4, and defense would improve.

as for the 6-7 difference in wins, boozer could easily cost the jazz that on his own with the points he gives up, especially if he doesn’t “bounce back.” who here is willing to see him go through a 20-10 regular season only to have “playoffs boozer” return in april/may?

if the jazz draft again in the 20s next year, i can see them trading the picks with the full roster. but let’s not forget we will in all likelihood be, in all likelihood, getting a lottery pick the year after that. space has to be made on the roster.

by moni on Aug 11, 2008 6:29 PM MDT   0 recs

would you trade him now, to memphis,

assuming they have enough cap room, for their future first rounder? you could add second rounders to it, make it lottery protected, who cares. with boozer on memphis, they wouldnt be lottery bound, even with a young squad. How much cap room does memphis have?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 11, 2008 7:24 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The Jazz don't have a 1st rounder next year

it goes to Minny via Philly (Korver trade).

Unless the Jazz are picking before #22… then they keep it.

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 11, 2008 7:40 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

If the Bulls front office had any gumption they would aggressively pursue Boozer this year

Paxson would be someone who is fooled into thinking Boozer is a dominant low-post player, when that really isn’t true all of the time. A trade involving Luol Deng (yes I know they just signed him) could alter the Jazz lineup towards a stronger defensive unit. AK47 is an upgrade at the 4 defensively over Boozer, and Deng is more than capable at the 3, and also provides a good offensive option for Deron Williams as a very good cutter and efficient midrange jumpshot.

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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 12, 2008 11:56 AM MDT   0 recs

That's an interesting idea.

I haven’t seen anyone offer that up for a trade. I don’t know if Deng can be traded for a while though. And I doubt that the Jazz would trade Boozer mid-season. It’s something to look at next year I suppose in a sign and trade.

by Basketball John on Aug 12, 2008 1:23 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

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Boozer for Deng plus pieces was one of the reasons I listed for trading Boozer on my 7 reasons piece. **I can’t believe you don’t read every word I write.

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Just trying out the old ** for denoting sarcasm

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by clarkpojo on Aug 12, 2008 3:26 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I like the Deng idea

I think… I just don’t think it can happen for a while.
And a mid-season trade like that probably wouldn’t work out too well

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 12, 2008 6:31 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

is there any chance that the bulls would want Boozer

hes certainly an up-grade over Thomas, but would they be willing to give up Deng? Maybee a sign and trade for Gordon. He would be an upgrade for the Jazz at the 2. Both teams would be better.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 12, 2008 3:19 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

no way

We’ve already established we don’t really want Gordon. He’s a streaky outside shooter who’s too short and doesn’t defend very well. We already have Korver for that, and at least he’s taller.

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by Shums on Aug 12, 2008 3:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I think everybody but Gordon thinks that.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 12, 2008 5:25 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed completely

No Gordon.
Deng, on the other hand… he’s worth a look at least, though again… it does nothing to our SF/SG log-jam.

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 12, 2008 6:30 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

It does

if we move AK to fill Boozer’s spot. Then Ronnie B starts the 2, with Korver and Almond backing him, and Deng starts the 3, with CJ and Harp backing him. AK’s our 4, with Millsap and Koufos behind. It could work.

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by Shums on Aug 12, 2008 6:38 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, but

it’s the same rotation as we have now, with AK taking Deng’s place and Booze taking AK’s.

It could work, but we still have the overload at the wings.

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 12, 2008 6:45 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

But is having a matador defence in the post

and having a powerforward playing out of position and not up to his potential, really the same, as bringing a future allstar callaber 3, and moving Kirilenko to the 4 spot, where he had his only allstar year?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 12, 2008 8:40 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

No, I guess not

it would be a move for the better, I think.
At least provided the team doesn’t revolt if Booze is traded.

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by UtesFan89 on Aug 12, 2008 9:10 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Is AK really that much of an upgrade defensively at the 4 over Booze?

I just can’t see AK going one-on-one with the likes of Pau Gasol or Amare Stoudemire in the low post. AK’s probably most effective when he’s helping from the weak side, challenging/blocking shots.

by Vromanite on Aug 12, 2008 1:52 PM MDT   0 recs

I could be wrong, I'm an outsider,

but does Boozer even try to go one-on-one with the likes of Pau Gasol or Amare Stoudemire in the low post? You can use you-tube to see examples of Boozers ole defence.

Real question, on a scale of 1 to 5, how much effort does Carlos put in on defence?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 12, 2008 3:24 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I think his effort is pretty high.

It may be that he just lacks the skill. I don’t think I’ve seen him take possessions off on D. I could be wrong there. It just seems like he’s always out of position or has some incurable desire to push his opponent in the back after they’ve gone by him.

He’s also stated that he doesn’t like to make contact on the offensive end. I wonder if that’s the case on D too. I’d love for him to give someone a forearm shiver (maybe the Football Player could help there?) just once and put a guy to the hardwood. I don’t want anyone to get hurt, but they shouldn’t feel like they can have their way in the lane without getting punished for it.

by Basketball John on Aug 12, 2008 4:19 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes.

Low post defense is all about staying in between your man and the basket and Boozer is so bad at it. AK is a little skinnier, but stronger than he gets credit for and plays fundamental defense.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 12, 2008 3:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, who can effectively guard Amare 1-on-1 anyways?

Individual defense is overrated, it’s more about how that 1 player fits into an overall scheme. With Boozer and Okur in the frontcourt, the Jazz have no shot blocking presence, and basically no one to alter shots inside. Thus, it appears that the Jazz resort to just fouling a lot as some kind of replacement.

I’ve been watching Kirilenko since 2004 because of fantasy basketball, and he is one of the better individual defenders in the league. With Deron on the team, I don’t think offense will ever be an issue for this team. Trading Boozer will no doubt net a talented scorer in return as well. The key is to improve the post defense. You can get away with either one of the PF/C tandem being weak at defense, not both of them.

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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 12, 2008 4:20 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting..

I would be very interested in Boozer-for-Deng if I were the Jazz. How do their salaries match up though? They still need to re-sign Okur, ‘Sap, and KK. And I’d want to make sure D-Will was cool with it. He needs to feel good about what’s goin on

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by neff on Aug 13, 2008 2:38 PM MDT   0 recs

Booze & Deng

Salary-wise, it would have to be Booze for Deng & someone with like 2 million on their salary. At least according to the trade machines on RealGM & wwl. Oh, and Deng can’t be traded until December 15 or something around there.