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The Non-USA Today NBA Power Ranking

Now that the Olympics are over and since this isn’t an NFL Blog, there is only one thing to talk about: the quickly approaching NBA season.  And in light of a most heinous USA Today NBA Power Ranking, I decided it is time to post a much better power ranking.  Let the great debate begin.

1.       Celtics- If I were a Celtics fan, I would worry whether my team could play with the same hunger from last season.  But they are champs, so they deserve this spot for now.

2.       Lakers- If Andrew Bynum returns to the court healthy, then the Lakers will have one of the best frontcourts in the NBA and will flirt with winning 70 games.

3.        Jazz- The Jazz are one of two teams (along with the Hornets) whose best players are still improving on a championship contending team.  If they learn to beat inferior teams on the road, they will challenge for the top spot in the West.

4.       Hornets- The Hornets have a great young team that will win lots of games, but their lack of depth in the frontcourt is worrisome.

5.       Rockets- Houston fans are excited about the addition of Artest, but it will be the addition of Yao Ming that will bring Houston back to contending in the West.  I will officially go on record as saying that Artest won’t help the team very much.  He will either have to replace a productive Battier, or get manhandled at the power forward spot.  And he is crazy.

6.       Cavs- The Cavs improved talent wise with the addition of Mo Williams, but the supporting cast is still pretty average.  But Lebron is good enough that the Cavs will compete for the finals again.

7.       Pistons- They are still good, but their stars are starting to decline and the fact that they know Joe Dumars wants to blow up the core of the team, can’t be good for morale.

8.       Spurs- I would have them higher than this, but their best player, (it’s not Duncan anymore and never was Parker)  just reinjured his foot, the same foot that kept the Spurs out of the finals last year.

9.       Magic- The Magic are a good team.  But they weren’t contenders last year and they haven’t improved since then.

10.   76ers- The Sixers were one of the best teams at getting out on the break and running last year.  Now they have added Brand and the ability to play in the half court.  If they had a deep shooting threat, they would be contenders.

11.   Raptors-  It’s a big if, but if Jermaine O’neal comes back even near his form of 2006, the Raptors will be a top 3 seed in the East.

12.   Blazers-  If the Blazers new starting center wasn’t 52 years old, I would give them a higher ranking, but they should be pretty good and no one would be surprised if they were a top 3 team in the West this season.

13.   Mavs-  Remember when Devean George blocked the trade for Jason Kidd and the home Dallas crowd booed him and called him selfish?  Maybe they should have cheered George.

14.   Suns-  The fun in the sun ended with the trade of Shawn Marion.  Or at least their legitimate contention for a title ended.

15.   Clippers- Baron Davis will bring some sizzle to LA, but they will be an 8th seed in the West at best.

16.   Nuggets-  Not a tear was shed in Jazzland when the Nuggets traded their best defender for some coffee and a day old donut.  And not a tear will be shed in Jazzland if the Nuggets completely miss the playoffs this season.

17.   Wizards-  The Wizards’ owner broke the bank to ensure that his team will compete for the 4th and 5th spot in the playoffs for the next 5 years.

18.   Hawks-  The Hawks are young, talented and one contributor shorter.  And they will squeak into the playoffs again this year.

19.   Bucks- The Bucks have improved and I wouldn’t be surprised to see them rally and make the playoffs, but they will have to commit to defense if they want to see it happen.

20.   Heat- When you think of a healthy and contributing Wade, a Shawn Marion and Michael Beasley, you wonder how these guys are not going to make the playoffs in the East, but the rest of their roster is about a D roster.

21.   Bulls-  The Bulls are going to lose their best scorer either physically or mentally and the defense-first mentality from two seasons back is just a memory now.  The Bulls will be back in the playoffs, but not for a season or two.

22.   Kings- The Kings are officially in rebuilding mode after trading Ron Artest.  They have some promising youngsters and a top 10 shooting guard, but they need a better point guard and some big men to be contenders.

23.   Warriors- They essentially traded Baron Davis for Corey Maggette.  I will be surprised if they win 40 games this year.

24.   Bobcats-  I like the Bobcats.  They finally added a scoring shooting guard in Jason Richardson and they have some good big players.  But they draft poorly and I don’t have faith in Larry Brown to turn around this team.

25.   T-Wolves- The Timberwolves will be much improved and pretty fun to watch.  They have a plethora of scorers, but might also give up the most points in the league this year.

26.   Knicks- Dantoni will help the woeful Knicks, but not even Beethoven can conduct a beautiful symphony with instruments that are out of tune.  Take that analogy any way you want to.

27.   Nets- The Nets are made up of a bunch of unpolished younguns and a veteran whose heart has been questioned his whole career.  Sounds like a recipe for about 25 wins.

28.   Pacers-  If they successfully rid themselves of Jamal Tinsley, the Pacers will finally be free of all the players that were around for the “Palace Brawl,” but they also won’t be too talented.

29.   GrizzliesInsert your own “hold the Mayo” joke here.

30.   Thunder- They may turn out to be one of the most entertaining worst teams in NBA history.  Was that positive enough?

 

All comments are the opinion of the commenter and not necessarily that of SLC Dunk or SB Nation.

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better then the usa today rankings

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 25, 2008 8:06 PM MDT   0 recs

About the Sixers...
If they had a deep shooting threat, they would be contenders.

Didn’t they have someone like this last year… that they just gave away (okay fine, a late 1st rounder)?

Some Korver or something?

The Utah Jazz. The Jazz... duh.
The best NBA team in Utah... no doubts about it!
Playing For Pride. Pirates, Utes, Panthers, and more...
Because, in the end, only one team can "win it all".

by UtesFan89 on Aug 25, 2008 9:47 PM MDT   0 recs

Korver would really fit there nicely now...

With that said, you could argue that trading Korver saved them the money they needed in order to resign Igoudala and pursue Brand. It is true, but I still think Korver is a decently cheap commodity for $5 million/ year.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 26, 2008 6:31 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

3?????

That’s a pretty generous ranking, don’t you think??? I like it though!!! Jazz are still very young and are still improving. If Carlos can step up his defense along with half the other team the Jazz are going to be good, very good… Am I crazy or do you think Miles needs to be playing to he can get some confidence. If that kid can get going then the Jazz will solve the issues of the 2-guard. He can play defense unlike Korver, he just needs a chance!!!

by TWSSO on Aug 25, 2008 10:22 PM MDT   0 recs

It's a bit of a homer pick, but not by much...

I know it seems high, but who below them on that list is better? Maybe the Rockets, but I am not sold on them. I truly think the Jazz are better than the Hornets. And like I said, when you look at last season with the Jazz’s shortcomings on the road and Memo’s injuries, they probably should have had the best record.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 26, 2008 6:29 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Its all going to be close

but I am curious as to how the Jazz off-season moves and acquisitions have propelled them up 5 spots (based upon where they stood record wise (8th in the NBA) at the end of last year, which granted was REALLY close) ahead of everyone else? What do you see about this team that is going to propel them to the next level as you have suggested here?

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 1:01 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Jazz remain 4th or 5th

I would be surprised to see the Jazz seeded higher then 4 or 5 again at the end of the season, barring any major injuries from the teams ahead of them. I do like the picks of this guy, pretty spot on… The Rockets will be players now they’ve got Ron Artest, the Hornets will be there right with the Jazz with maybe one or two more wins, LA will win the West again this year, the Blazers will be right there with the Jazz if Oden can stay healthy, and don’t leave out Dallas, Phoenix, and San Antonio; with age working against them it’ll be tough seeing them pass the Jazz…

by TWSSO on Aug 26, 2008 2:59 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

for reasons I stated below, the as of today, the Jazz will be either the 4th-5th best in the West . Obviously so much can change between now and the end of the season though…

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 7:36 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a fair question Toddy.

It seems as if the Jazz won’t improve much next season since they haven’t made big splashy moves. But there are two reasons why the Jazz will improve their record by next season and they go hand in hand. At the beginning of last season Mehmet Okur played injured. He missed almost 20 games last season and missed several games in December when the Jazz went 5-11. The Jazz finished the season 17-24 on the road. That won’t happen again. A good team wins games on the road that they need to and with a healthy team, the Jazz will do that. I know we shouldn’t dwell on what ifs, and I won’t, but it is fair to say that during the regular season last year, the Jazz were the only top 5 team in the West to underachieve. The Lakers played as well as they should have. The Rockets greatly overachieved without Yao Ming and the Hornets played better than anyone expected them to. And the Spurs were right where everyone expected them to be. So technically, the Jazz may have the greatest room for improvement from last year. And as I said in the post, they are a contender with players who are all still on the way up. The Suns, Mavs, Spurs, and even Houston to a degree are declining.
17-24

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by clarkpojo on Aug 26, 2008 4:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting

I think the Jazz are definitely right up there with the top of the West, but what separates teams like the Jazz, Mavericks, Suns and others from what I consider to be the top tier class of contenders is just one piece.

I look at the Jazz and see them still needing a consistent third option to step up their game, much like Saint Ann has with Tim, Tony, and Manu, Boston has with KJ, Allen, and Pierce, the Lakers have with Kobe, Pau, and Lamar, Detroit with Sheed, Billups, and Prince etc. Its just my opinion that both Okur nor AK have ever consistently filled that roll. Sure both of them have been All Stars at one time in their careers, had outstanding seasons, and we all know the potential is there. But I guess it would take a lot to convince me that their play of late warrants anything of either one of them being your 3rd go-to guy.

Same goes with Dallas, outside of Dirk and Howard (which is a stretch as the second best player given his play in the playoffs last year), neither Kidd nor Terry were consistent enough to be that third option threat. Phx also has its issues with Amare as their best player, Nash, and then Shaq who is consistently inconsistent.

To me Houston, has a little bit different of a situation in that they have a solid third option, but can they stay healthy long enough to do anything with it? History would suggest that the odds wont be in their favor. Same for the Hornets. When you look at the Hornets from the 06-07 season to last, not much changed… except that their third option, Peja, stayed healthy for an entire season for the first time since the 03-04 season. That third option was HUGE for them, and its arguably what made them a team that made the playoffs, to the 2nd best in a REALLY tough Western conference. When you look at the Suns prior to Nash getting there, they had two All-star players already there in Amare and Marion, but were no good until that 3rd option fell into their laps. Those three guys spear-headed a great run at the Championship for that organization because of their “Big 3”.

That is just the issues I see at this point, going into this next season. Right now, all we have to work with is what we see on paper. What did we see last season from the guys that are currently on everyone’s rosters is what we can realistically make a logical prediction on. The homeristic side in all of us can get carried away sometimes with hopes and dreams of a resurgence of potential play from some of our guys. On paper, I see teams like NO, LA, MAYBE SA all being better because their top three produce CONSISTENTLY. Heck, I think even the Clips could be sleepers this year, with BD, Kamen, and an up and coming player in Al Thorton. But no one gives them much attention because history has suggested with the Clippers organization as a whole, and Baron Davis’s history, that they probably wont see an entire season together due to injuries, and its a lot to assume at this point that Thorton is going to step up and be that solid All Star caliper 3rd option.

As it stands now with the rosters that I see on paper, the only way I see a team like the Jazz, Suns or Mavs moving into a contender status in the West at least, is
1. Someone in the top half of the West (who I see right now as being on paper, LA, NO, SA, HOU) having one of their big 3 injured at some point in the season in which the team loses confidence and momentum. (which is realistically a possibility with Houston or NO)
2. A Pau Gasol/Artest type trade that occurs in which the Jazz, Suns or Mavs acquire that solid third option without giving up anything but picks and expiring contracts.
3. One of the potential 3rd option players on those teams (like an AK, Okur, Kidd, JET, Shaq, etc.) reemerge and play at an All-star level again.

Seems like a lot to ask for even just one of these things to happen, but is it possible? Absolutely. Boston and the Lakers essentally had option 2 happen to them last year, and they ended up in the Finals. NO had the 3 option happen with them last year with Peja staying healthy and playing at a higher level than anyone could have predicted last year. But still, it would be a stretch at this point, 2 months before the season even starts IMO, to rank a team in that top class of contenders, with the hopes of one of those 3 options happening. On paper I dont think the Jazz are as bad as the USA Today rankings suggest, but I dont see them in the top 3 of not only the league, but the West either…

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 7:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

about the hornets

it wasn’t just that peja stayed healthy, it was also that chris paul went from very good, to “the best point guard in the nba by a fair amount.” i expect to feel the wrath of angry jazz fans on this one, but look at the numbers and the supporting casts. paul did more with less and should have been the mvp last year. mo pete and bonzi wells were his shooting guards. mo pete and bonzi wells! they had 4 solid starters and a whole lot of odds and ends that chris paul turned into a contender. deron williams is a phenominal player, and comes in at #2 on that list for me, but wow, paul’s season last year was better than any season nash ever had, and nash won back to back mvps. the guy is incredible.

also, west and chandler are options 2 and 3 on the hornets, not peja.

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by cap'n hack on Aug 26, 2008 7:35 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Paul had a truly phenomonal statistical year.

No Jazz fan should argue with that. He was amazing. Most Jazz fans just point at the fact that Deron is so dominant over Paul when they play against each other. They also play different systems where Paul has the ball in his hands a bit more, but he is phenomenal, no doubt.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 26, 2008 7:45 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

D-Will

I would take Deron in heartbeat over Paul, purely based on his defensive skills. He to me is way more complete than the undersized Paul is. Pauls weakness is the same as Nash’s, they cant defend the likes of Williams, Baron Davis, Fisher, Billups, in the league who can be more physical. Offensively, if Williams played in the same type of offense that Nash or Paul played in last year, he would have received much more attention than he got, and his numbers would have been even better then they were.

Seeing Williams run out in the open court this summer for the Olympics makes me wonder if Sloan is holding Williams back a bit by not allowing the Jazz to run more so than they do.

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 7:52 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That's another Jazz misconception.

The Jazz played at the 4th fastest pace in the league last year, only behind PHX, GS, and Denver. Sloan let them run plenty.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 26, 2008 7:55 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Out of curiosity

in what ways do you expect Williams to improve from last year to this year?

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 7:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

He will score more and assist more.

Between 2 seasons ago and last season, you could just see the games that he willed himself over the competition. He is learning that he can dominate when he wants to and he is also learning when he should dominate. He will average about 22 and 12 or so, which are both improvements. He already shoots over 50% from the field and he could learn to limit his turnovers, but I don’t think he will next season. But you of all people should know what he is capable of Toddy. In Dallas last year, down by 25 or so, Williams just started taking over and put up 30 points in the second half for 41 in the game and the Jazz would have made a comeback if Howard hadn’t scored 47 himself.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 26, 2008 8:04 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Believe it or not

I was at that game in Utah. I do remember it! HA! I grew up in Dallas he was my on my high schools rivals squad. I think those numbers are realistic to be honest with you, and in fact I even expect his ppg to go up to 23 ish… especially if he has to pick up the slack a lot of nights.

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 8:24 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

where did you get that number from

4th fastest “pace”? just curious

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 8:03 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

On John Hollinger's stats.

He measures possessions a game. And I apologize. The Jazz were the 5th fastest paced team. Lakers were a little faster too.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 26, 2008 8:07 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmmmm

I’d much rather see a little bit more defense then a top 5 fastest paced team. DEFENSE boys DEFENSE!!! It’s like like pringles, once you start you can’t stop!!! Maybe we should by the boys some pringles and ship them to the ESA with a little note declaring our analogy!!! ha ha ha Who knows, maybe it’ll help spark some Defensive thinking… LOL

by TWSSO on Aug 26, 2008 8:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

actually

according to the site I just posted below, the Jazz are the 5th most efficient team in the league defensively. Not too suprising from a Sloan-coached team.

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 8:16 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Those are playoff stats only

Notice how there are only 16 teams listed. Utah’s pace numbers are probably high because they played the Lakers.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Aug 27, 2008 12:38 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

this website

which I have used quite a bit tells it a little different… Im not a fan of Hollinger too much, though his his PER statistics are interesting.

The website above have the Jazz as the last in the league in the “Pace” department. Its an average number of offensive and defensive numbers. Im sure you wont agree with it, but even I thought the Jazz played a little bit slower of a pace than most teams, and would have predicted them to have been in the middle somewhere both in ppg and “pace”

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 8:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

whoops

check that, average number of offensive and defensive POSSESSIONS.

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 8:14 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That site doesn't make tons of sense.

I only say that because why would you average offensive and defensive possessions. They will be the same because no team gets two possessions in a row. If you are averaging the length of offensive and defensive possessions then your own pace doesn’t depend on how long your opponent is taking to shoot the ball. If you want to measure how quickly you are pushing the ball or running, then you should count how quick your own possessions are. Defensive possessions have nothing to do with it.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 26, 2008 8:31 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That’s very interesting…. Clarkpojo… where did you come up with the 5th fastest paced team???

by TWSSO on Aug 26, 2008 8:16 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

valid points

but again though, Peja helped contribute to the emergence Paul last year offensively much more than most give him credit for, primarily because he made it rain from outside. Kover kinda did the same thing with the Jazz and Williams when he got to Utah as well, but Krover is not quite the player Peja is when he is healthy. NO’s roster just didnt change that much from two seasons ago to last, and while both Paul and West got better, I think having that consistent third scoring option made them a legit contender. Its just too much of a stretch to say that Paul and West all of the sudden became All-Players overnight and went from a 39 win team to a 56 win team. Maybe I could be wrong, to my knowledge though, I have never seen a team move up17 wins in a season with basically the same roster + a 16 ppg and 44% fg and 3pt shooter.

Kobe didnt have any all stars around him, but he had two other guys who were consistent. The Lakers were good prior to the Gasol trade, but contenders? Nawh. Kobe got better and more efficent when Pau got there, just like Paul got better with Peja, just like how Pierce went from being a good All-star player to being the “Best in the world” etc.

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 7:46 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Pierce is over-rated!!! But I’d take him over AK47 any day of the week!

by TWSSO on Aug 26, 2008 8:14 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The Rule of 3 contributors is a good point.

I am with you Toddy. It usually takes 3 great players on a team for the team to reach the finals and/or win it all. You are spot on. I think the exception is Detroit who just had a great starting 5. I will take the Jazz’s best 3 over any of those 3. AK and Prince are a wash. Look at the numbers. But before you cast of AK and Okur as unviable 3rd options, I bet you didn’t realize how productive Okur was after he was healthy. In the last 25 games of the season, how many points and rebounds would you guess he averaged? The answer is 19.1 points and 11.5 rebounds/ game, on 55% shooting. Those are huge numbers for a 3rd option. Better than Artest, even. That is my point. If Okur is healthy, the Jazz have 3 good options, with 2 other really good players. And 4 guys who shoot 50 % from the field. Those numbers don’t lie. AK isn’t a weakness anymore and Ronnie Brewer is an unsung, efficient player.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 26, 2008 7:51 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Okur

if he can do that for more than 25 games next year, absolutely the Jazz will be up there. I would have never guessed those numbers to be honest with you, especially from a primarily outside shooter. Okur was an All star, what two years ago. So if he returns to his all-star status, and puts up numbers like that?… look out.

Still an “if” though. A lot of teams have those “ifs”, but the Jazz seem to have a little bit more upside than most others. (ie Phx and Dal IMO)

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 7:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent

I have to say that I wouldn’t argue about any of the positions. It’s about spot on for a pre-season ranking. Everyone is in love with Portland, and they will probably move up, but until they play that’s where they should start.

I think you should email this to the USA today guy.

by Basketball John on Aug 26, 2008 8:16 AM MDT   0 recs

Done.

I sent him a link to the post along with this message:

Mr Colston,

It looks like it is your first year covering the NBA, so I am going to cut you a little slack, but let me help you out a bit. I know when you make a power rankings, you can’t make everyone happy, but you really sold the Jazz short. Jazz fans are used to getting no love from national media, but you made a big mistake in questioning how much better Deron Williams can get. He is a top two point guard in the NBA now and will be for the next 5 years at least. He will average about 23 and 12 this season. If you want to see a more true power rankings, check out http://www.slcdunk.com/2008/8/25/601147/the-non-usa-today-nba-powe
Stop listening to the talking heads and the cool guys around the office and start watching a little more NBA. Just a thought.

Thanks for the idea.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 26, 2008 10:45 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

And this was his reply.

Chris Colston wrote:

It’s cute how loyal you are to your favorite team. Have to admit, though, sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder, because I wasn’t dissing Deron—i’ve had him on my fantasy team every year he’s been in the league. How much better can he get? I think he has room to improve, and he’s already great. Raptors over the Blazers in your rankings? Well, OK…But i like your attitude.

PS
I AM the cool dude in the office.

I was actually surprised that he replied. And more surprised that he actually looked at my rankings.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 26, 2008 2:08 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That's awesome...

Gotta love when the guy writes back, that rarely happens!!!

by TWSSO on Aug 26, 2008 3:00 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks again.

Glad he replied. That’s what this is all about. Invite him to post here on SLCDunk.com. I’d like to see his reply.

by Basketball John on Aug 26, 2008 3:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats awesome

guys who are cool like that, actually make me want to read their stuff believe or not.

by Toddy on Aug 26, 2008 7:28 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, ima add him to my favorites.

he’ll be at least an every other day check in now.

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We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 9:53 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

thank you

seems like the guy picked names from a hat after boston and l.a. pretty rediculous rankings

by UtonganKidInCali on Aug 26, 2008 11:58 AM MDT   0 recs

generally decent

but you have the nuggets and the clips way too high. you said it yourself, the nuggets traded their best (only) defender for a day old donut, they barely made the playoffs last year, and they HATE each other. worst chemistry i’ve seen on an nba team. the remark you made about the warriors (who you are clearly underrating, though, warriors fan here, so take that with a grain of salt if you wish) applies to the clips as well. they traded corey maggette and elton brand for marcus camby and baron davis, who has a long history of injuries. my guess is he misses more than zero games this year, on a team that desperately will need the offense. camby is a good, but overrated defender and duplicates a fair amount of kaman’s skills.

and come on, i said it earlier in the comment, but here i go again. the warriors will compete for a playoff spot, not because they’re better, but because the bottom tier playoff teams are worse. monta is a spectacular talent, biedrins always does what the team needs him to, every night, jackson will keep them from rolling over and dying after the initial struggles as monta learns the point, and turiaf is an addition that i really liked. maggette is overpaid, but adds yet another scorer to an explosive offense. some teams that obviously should not be in front of them: the kings, the bulls, the hawks, the bucks, and i dare to say the nuggets and clippers.

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by cap'n hack on Aug 26, 2008 1:20 PM MDT   0 recs

Warrios will not make the playoffs... Again...

The Warriors may compete for a spot in the playoffs because of their youth, firepower, and the ability of Nelson to let them play, but in the end they won’t make the playoffs; just like last year…

I do agree with you that putting the Bulls, Hawks, Bucks, Kings, and Nuggets ahead of them is a head scratcher… What was he thinking??? Then again, a lot of these rankings that come out are pretty biased all over the board, depending on who put it out…

Go JAZZ!!!!

by TWSSO on Aug 26, 2008 3:05 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

it wouldn't shock me either way

i see them as a fringe team. the nuggets, i think are out, and they’ll finish in the 10-11 spot. i think the mavs have a fair chance of missing out as well. if portland gets one of those two spots, i think the warriors could make a run at the other. i really only see lal, no, utah, hou, and sa locked in, and a bunch of teams scrambling to fill out the rest of the bracket. the bottom of the west should be not only an interesting race, but the teams involved all can put a scare into a good team in the first round. it’ll be a fun year.

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by cap'n hack on Aug 26, 2008 4:25 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The Jazz, Lakers, and Hornets will all be teams the other teams won’t want to play. They have great players making great plays and they have great coaches that have been successful in this league for a long time leading them along the way. Come playoff time Utah will once again be unbeatable at home so them having home court in the first round will be a must. The lower portion of the Western conference will definitely scare the poop out of any team that plays them in the first round, they can’t over look anyone in the West. Any one of those bottom tier teams could pull off the upset. I see the Blazers possibly being the Hornets of last year this year. It would make my day not to see Dallas make the playoffs!!!

by TWSSO on Aug 26, 2008 4:53 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

good point about home court

the jazz should honestly be the toughest out in the first round, the lakers and hornets both could drop a game or two at home, whereas the jazz have the second toughest place to place in the nba. the home record might be the best, but nothing can compare to the noise that gets put up in the ROARacle.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 26, 2008 5:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait....

Didn’t the Jazz win on the home floor of your boys up there in the “ROARacle??/” ha ha It’s definitely loud, but the Jazz home court advantage is second to none in this league… I’m interested to see how GS adjusts without BDiddy… Hopefully it’s quite cause they’re a fun team to watch…

by TWSSO on Aug 26, 2008 8:09 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

well

the jazz are better than the warriors, so it’s easier for them to win on our home floor. plus the jazz were a terrible matchup for the dubs in years past (and probably this year too) because they had a point guard who was better than baron AND an inside presence that mauled us. both arenas are a terrible situation for opponents, i was just making the point to get a rise out of the supporters of a team with a fantastic home court edge.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 26, 2008 10:01 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

nba players don't think so...

source

According to a Sports Illustrated survey of 242 NBA players appearing in this week’s issue, 20 percent — more than any other building in the league — believe EnergySolutions Arena is “the most intimidating arena to play in as a visitor.”

San Antonio’s AT&T Center is second at 18 percent, followed by the homes of Detroit (13 percent), New York (8 percent) and Sacramento (6 percent).

GS came in 6th at best…

by moni on Aug 26, 2008 9:43 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

semi related point

i just looked at the win differentials from home to away hoping that would shed some light on the issue, and then stopped immediately after seeing the jazz’s record away from energy solutions. 17-24! you guys were the 3rd best team in the conference, how do you not get to .500 on the road? i can’t wait to go bet on the jazz once they get to the playoffs. it’s almost a certainty that they will win their first round matchup and depending on whether they have the 2 or 3 seed and if the hornets got past their first round opponent, you will know before the series starts if they will move on or not.

anyway, either the jazz go out on the town every night spent away from salt lake, or energy solutions not only gives you guys the best home court advantage right now, but convinces me not go utah to check out a game, as i will be afraid that players and supporters of the visiting team will be poisoned before tip off.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 26, 2008 10:16 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

still not bad for golden state

i look forward to seeing the Rose Gardon added to that list this next year.

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 9:58 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha the ROARacle...

isn’t that the same place where Warrior fans did the wave? No arena that has fans that do the wave is even in the top 10… If Jazz fans ever do the wave, I’ll light myself on fire.

Whitewater In The Morning

by neff on Aug 27, 2008 1:29 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

YA-OUCH!!!!! Ellis out 3 months!!!!

I guess ROARacle won’t be so roaring with your boy Ellis out. That sucks, you never like seeing a player go down, especially with that kind of injury. It’s going to be a tough one to come back from and be effective. The Warriors just went from a fringe playoff team to an almost certain lottery team… YA-OUCH!!!!!

by TWSSO on Aug 27, 2008 1:56 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to nitpick...

But a fringe playoff team is almost certainly a lottery team. No playoffs=lottery

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by clarkpojo on Aug 27, 2008 2:08 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a big blow.

I didn’t think the W’s would have any shot at making the playoffs before the injury, but now we might be looking at one of the 3 worst teams in the NBA. Even though he might only miss 15 games or so, this is a big blow.

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by clarkpojo on Aug 27, 2008 2:09 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I was meaning the Warrios would be one of the worse 5 teams in the NBA now that thay’ve lost Ellis… I should’ve made it more clear… Way to nitpick!

by TWSSO on Aug 27, 2008 2:17 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry.

I won’t do it again.

The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.

by clarkpojo on Aug 27, 2008 3:26 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

It's all good...

Nitpick anytime man, I hate when I suck it up…

by TWSSO on Aug 27, 2008 10:25 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Ellis' injury.

Vladimir Radmanovic will feel a whole lot less stupid when it comes to light that Monta Ellis hurt himself snowboarding. It does sound suspicious. He injured himself “working out” in his hometown in Mississippi. The cause of the injury was not made available. There has got to be something juicy ther