Boozer for a can of tuna
by Yucca Man on Oct 30, 2009 2:15 PM MDT
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It drives me nuts, but I do understand why KOC hasn't traded Boozer yet.
I'm not going to trade a 2-time All-Star, a 20-10 threat every night, for a can of tuna!
But here's the thing: They should trade Boozer for a can of tuna. And they should pull a Denver Nuggets and make the trade during the next couple of weeks.
For better or for worse, here's the core--the guys the front office have decided will be "the Jazz" over the next few years:
D-Will, AK-47, Brewer, CJ, Memo, Millsap. So how would trading The Tuna affect these guys right now?
1. AK-47: He gets to play least 1/2 time at PF. He gets more shots. He gets more minutes. He gets happier. A happy AK playing 32 minutes, many at the 4, shooting 10-13 shots per game is worth 16 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals. We all want the old AK-47 back, right? Trade The Tuna and we get him.
2. Millsap: He starts. He plays starter minutes. A starting Millsap is worth 16 points, 10 rebounds, a steal and a block per game plus constant hustle and energy. Still, Millsap isn't quite the post player Boozer is was 3 years ago. Millsap needs some time to still learn and put it together. But he's not going to learn how to do it playing with Price and Maynor because they can't run plays. Wasn't that obvious enough in the Opening night 4th qtr. suckfest? Millsap, more than anyone else, needs to play with D-Will as much as possible, so he can develop the kind of post play he's going to need.
3. Brewer & CJ: More minutes going to AK means more and better backdoor and outlet passes coming from the post, which means Brewer & CJ will get more and better scoring opportunities. Their lives will also become much easier on the defensive end. Think about it. How many high-power scorers play the 2 and 3? How exhausting is it trying to guard these guys when you've got The Tuna backing you up? How much does the team's overall help defense get killed because The Tuna thinks that guarding the paint means yelling "Hey! Memo, help!" when somebody comes in for a layup?
4. D-Will: We've got 3 more years with him. This is year 1. We need this year to figure out what other pieces are needed to make our core work. We need this year to see if any of the core pieces aren't going to work and if major trades need to happen. We need this year to see if Fess and the KOOF are going to be able to play major roles. But we can't see any of it with The Tuna using up 35 minutes a game. Will AK, Memo, and Millsap be able to provide enough rebounding by themselves? We need to find out. Will Fess or the KOOF be able to provide adequate additional rebounding/inside presence? We need to find out. Are CJ and Brewer going to be able to provide enough offense/defense/intelligent play? We need to find out.
We need to find out because if we do, there is enough time to make the necessary changes, to fill in the pieces, and to build a serious championship contender by D-Will's year 3. And if the team is a serious contender, D-Will stays. If the team is a muddle, he leaves. If we keep Boozer, we put off figuring it out and suddenly there will be only 2 years left.
5. The Knick's 2010 1st round pick. Here's the scoop: the Knicks stink. Their pick is going to rock. We get it. What kind of player do we need? Well, there's no way to know unless we let Boozer go now and discover what pieces are missing.
So please, KOC, get rid The Tuna. Waive him. Buy out his contract. Trade him for nobody. Don't you get how much better off the team will be if you were willing to lose him and get nothing in return?
All comments are the opinion of the commenter and not necessarily that of SLC Dunk or SB Nation.
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even though the post is insulting to tunas :-)
by moni on Oct 30, 2009 6:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by UtesFan89 on Oct 30, 2009 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stack Jack
Warriors fan here: You guys want him?? Or how about Jack + 8 mil in exprings (claxton, devean george to get rid of AK47s albatross contract
by tafkasam on Nov 2, 2009 4:22 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
you can have boozer
but i’m hanging on to ak. maybe that’s just me.
by moni on Nov 2, 2009 5:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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by UtesFan89 on Nov 2, 2009 6:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
just out of curiosity.. WHY the boozer hate?
he is a very effective player in your system, and coming from a fan of a team who has ZERO post game (warriors) I don’t think you realize the edge he can give you against certain teams.
And he expires in a year…
by tafkasam on Nov 2, 2009 9:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't wanna lose him for nothing...
he’s worn out his welcome here…
and his effectiveness has gone to hell recently.
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by UtesFan89 on Nov 2, 2009 10:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
where do i even start?
he’s approaching locker room cancer status and this season seems like he just got to town and has no idea what he’s doing out there. also, there’s the problem of his questionable defense (or lack of).
by moni on Nov 3, 2009 2:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I love AK-47
Here’s the thing about AK-47. There’s nothing at all wrong with the player. Jazz are much better with him than without. The only problem is his contract, which we have to live with for just 2 more years.
But I’d absolutely keep AK. I’ll trade Boozer for anything. I’d trade him for the gum from the bottom of a desk.
by Yucca Man on Nov 2, 2009 9:15 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
If we trade Boozer, then AK gets a chance to absolutely blossom.
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by clarkpojo on Nov 2, 2009 9:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Even if he Boozer was playing well, he would still be stopping the team from developing. We dump him now and we have an extra year to work with. If boozer stays, the season is as good as over because our young guys won’t know what to do when we need them most.
by Bobby Joness on Nov 2, 2009 9:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really....
No offense, but AK didn’t exactly blossom when Boozer was missing for half of last season. I’m not saying he played badly, but I don’t think he played substantially better than how he played any other time. If Boozer goes, most of those minutes go to Millsap, especially while we are waiting for CJ and Korver to mend…
by sherbs on Nov 3, 2009 12:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you forget that while boozer was out
AK ended up getting surgery, so he might not have been totally healthy. also, if we start millsap, ak would be playing against second string PF. he would kill it.
by moni on Nov 3, 2009 2:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
sure but.....
AK is never totally healthy… I think he has lost a step over the past few seasons and it’s more than just playing out of position. The whole reason why the Jazz went after Boozer in the first place was because AK didn’t fit into the Jazz system playing the 4. That isn’t seemthing that is going to change any time soon,
A trade is looking more and more likely at the moment, so depending on what comes back there might be a chance to see what AK47 can do, but personally I think after Boozer he’s the next player the Jazz should consider trading in order to compete with the big teams in the league.
by sherbs on Nov 4, 2009 12:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
boozer 4 stack jack would be a dream for both sides I think...
For all the reason I dislike Jack, he is exactly what your team needs. Gritty wing player who can do everything, and when he wants to be, can be an elite defender. Pretty much he wants to go to a playoff team because he’s 31 and we’re in (yet again!) a rebuild.
Could go big… Dwill, Jack, Kirilenko, Millsap, Okur
Could go small.. DWill, Miles, Jack, Kirilenko, Okur
by tafkasam on Nov 2, 2009 9:46 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
If the Warriors hadn't had extended Jackson, i think this trade happens.
But that awful extension ruins everything.
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by clarkpojo on Nov 2, 2009 10:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
PRetty much
Warriors management in the nutshell
by tafkasam on Nov 2, 2009 11:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
That’s an expensive can of tuna fish. Must be one of those Nature’s Organic cans of tuna or something. I’d still make the trade.
by Patrick517 on Nov 3, 2009 5:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
as one who's played way too much with the Trade Machine ...
That may be the single greatest comment I’ve seen in my life. I especially like the little Hollinger’s analysis at the bottom.
by Yucca Man on Nov 3, 2009 11:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see you got on BDL for this?
by Basketball John on Nov 4, 2009 4:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i was halfway out of my seat
when i read “boozer traded”…and then fell back to earth in agony as i read “…for tuna”
by moni on Nov 4, 2009 5:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow
That was just something silly I did in about 5 minutes on MS Paint to take my mind off of the Rockets loss. SBN shrunk it down a little bit, so here’s the full res version, if anyone cares to look.
by Vromanite on Nov 4, 2009 5:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it too late to get in on that tuna?
Or is that offer off the table now?
by Basketball John on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Bulls fan wondering your thoughts on this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzudtzn
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by piccolomair on Nov 4, 2009 12:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
hmm
just in case the link didnt work: its boozer and kyle korver for Tyrus Thomas John Salmons, and filler Jerome James
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 4, 2009 12:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking this could be a good trade
Thomas has potential, and Salmons is not too shabby…
just read this earlier on… not sure what to think. I don’t think Thomas would fit, but at least he can be cut at the end of the year….
by sherbs on Nov 4, 2009 5:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
thomas has tons of potential
and i question whether the bulls know how to develop that potential, but i know that the jazz can. He has the same lengthy-ness that ak-47 has, and has a defensive mindset, so under ak’s wing he can be the same type of player who can guard 3-5, some respected members of blogabull once compared tyrus to ak-47 and i trust they know what they are talking about. then theres the tutelage milsap can offer, milsap being a pf who is slightly undersized but athletic, who knows when to shoot a jumper and how to finish around the rim, thomas needs to learn to do that, and no one on the bulls can teach him that, but milsap could, thomas could learn from just being around and watching him.
Finally you guys have sloan, and that man is a real coach, unlike the bulls coach, he would know how to handle projects such as thomas. Ultimately the jazz organization has the ability to hone thomas’ potential, and his potential is really through the roof. I think ud see results by seasons end, and if you didnt you could cut him, but im sure u will and will thus have a great pf coming off the bench and should be sent for the next 8 years at pf…Its a high reward low risk proposition for you guys….which thus leads me to also say that in the trade id also ask utah to hand over that knicks pick…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 4, 2009 5:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
do you think thomas
could co-exist with sloan? this trade proposal was thrown around all summer and this was the concern that most jazz fans had.
also, have you seen us lately? we need the knicks pick more than any team in the league.
by moni on Nov 4, 2009 6:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The knicks pick isn’t going anywhere. It would be crazy to trade away a 2 time all star and a possible high lottery pick for a guy with ‘potential’.
Doesn’t Jerry always say ‘potential gets us fired’? :)
by sherbs on Nov 5, 2009 7:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
not agreed
It would be crazy to trade the Knicks pick.
But I’d trade Boozer for anything and anyone (isn’t that what this post is about in the first place?)
by Yucca Man on Nov 5, 2009 8:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the not agreed
Boozer is hurting the team, both with his current crap fest and by taking time from our developing youngsters. He needs to go. It really doesn’t matter who we get in return.
by Bobby Joness on Nov 5, 2009 12:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite the point I was making.
My main point is that the Jazz would be stupid to trade the Knicks pick.
but… since it has been brought up :)
Boozer started the season poorly but has started to pick his game up, which is good news for everyone. Boozer has taken some minutes away from Millsap anod basically no one else because you can almost guarantee that whoever he is traded for is going to take the rest of those minutes.
Boozer is taking all the blame for the poor start to the season, but who are you going to lay the blame on if the poor results continue after a Boozer trade. Millsap hasn’t exactly been lighting it up, or giving Jerry any reason to put him on the court instead of Boozer.
Anyway, my point is, yes it does matter who/what we get in return. In the context of this season maybe it is best if we just let Boozer walk for nothing, but in the long term, by doing that the Jazz won’t benefit at all.
If the front office wait until (or around) the trade deadline, then Boozer can be traded for a player like a Tyrus Thomas, or possibly someone worse + a draft pick. That benefits the Jazz once this season (that is not going to come close to producing a championship with or without Boozer) is over.
by sherbs on Nov 8, 2009 5:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
we're trading for tuna and chicken right now
yeah we’d do it!
by moni on Nov 4, 2009 5:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Add in something vegetarian for me please
or a Cherry Coke
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by UtesFan89 on Nov 4, 2009 7:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it.
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by UtesFan89 on Nov 4, 2009 3:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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