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Utah Jazz at Boston Celtics, Nov 11, 2009 5:30 PM MST



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It looks like Deron will start after all.

by Vromanite on Nov 11, 2009 5:40 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I also expect a blow out. And for us to score less than 90 points.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 5:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Put in Fes. For Boozer.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 5:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Perkins is too big for Okur

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 5:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

more importantly

the Knicks also play tonight :P

by sherbs on Nov 11, 2009 5:44 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

This is going to be a looooong night.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 5:45 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

With Deron ailing, no one can create their own shot.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 5:47 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I would have preferred he took the night off

But at the same time, it’s very Stocktonish to play through the pain, so i like it

by sherbs on Nov 11, 2009 5:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

he wants to win, and he knows Maynor can’t get the job done.

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 6:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And no one is playing defense or rotating.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 5:48 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Don't pretend, Boone

You know you want to punch Boler.

by Vromanite on Nov 11, 2009 5:56 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

poll question

who wants to punch who more?

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 5:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Millsap needs to understand that he can't get into foul trouble.

The Jazz need him to be on the floor all night.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 5:59 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

The TD bank is open!

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 5:59 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I just left David Locke a message about the defensive effort changing immediately upon Boozer's departure.

It is indefensible. Since his departure, the Celtics have shot only one layup when their first 5 field goals were layups. But he will return. I just hope his effort is good.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:02 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

And Locke will talk about how much better his defense looks.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

other possibilities:

he’ll yell at you or ignore you. i’ve seen him do both to non-boozer fans.

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 6:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's because most of the comments made are irrational

the 5% of anti Boozer comments that actually make sense get drowned out when he gets bashed even when he is playing well

by sherbs on Nov 11, 2009 6:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you Sherbs. He gets too much negative press.

I personally have no exception to him as a person, but he doesn’t fit with what the Jazz are trying to do anymore. He hurts this team. I have the stats to prove it. He needs a new change of scenery as much as the Jazz need to play without him.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm

I tend to think a Boozer trade is probably for the best also but..

He spent most of last season injured, and this season isn’t ten games old yet.

He had a pretty consistent season in 07/08 though, and I wouldn’t agree that the team was/is better without him.

You can find stats that indicate Boozer is a much better player than he is as well…

I am also concerned as to who would take over at PF. I don’t think Millsap can cut it as a full time starter and AK47 is not going to be the answer at the 4. Maybe if we get the number 2 draft pick next year we’ll be set

by sherbs on Nov 11, 2009 6:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Before the Korver trade the Jazz were 16-16. Went 38-12 afterward.

Of the Jazz’s 7 best players, there is only one player whose per 36 minute productivity decreased. I will give you one guess as to who.

Okur, AK and Brewer’s offensive efficiency have gone up with increased shots per game the last 3 seasons. Boozer and Williams efficiency decrease drastically with increased shots. Deron knows the team is better when he doesn’t shoot.

But bottom line is, when Boozer has played poorly, as opposed to well, it has had no effect on the Jazz winning or losing games.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

hang on

Are you seriously saying that whether Boozer played well or not has no effect on the Jazz winning?

by sherbs on Nov 11, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Statistically, yes. Absolutely.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t argue with your stats, that may be true statistically but……..

do you honestly think that is true?

stats can definitely lie… for example, that wouldn’t take things such as the schedule (just one example) into account, if it is purely based on PER or something similar.

The Jazz were probably at their best in 06/07, although you could argue 07/08. Both of those years Boozer was a beast and an all star (from memory). In that respect, I’ll take my view over the stats any day, Boozer was our 2nd best player and the Jazz played better with him.

by sherbs on Nov 11, 2009 6:32 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I am honestly saying that the Jazz are a better team, the less Boozer does in the offense.

He is a fantastic defensive rebounder, but an inefficient offensive player.

My stats are from nearly 100 games of sample size since the 2007-2008 season.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't have stats to back me up

but i’ve seen it a ton of times where boozer has a fantastic box score (20&20) in horrible jazz losses.

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 6:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And just for a taste of what I am saying..

Before Korver trade in 2007-2008 (32 games) 16-16
Boozer- 24.2 points a game- 11.6 rebounds- 18.2 shots a game- 56% fg shooting- 35.5 mins/gm

After trade- 38-12

Boozer- 19.2 points a game- 9.2 rebounds- 14.6 shots a game- 46% shooting- 34.5 mins’gm

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:32 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i think that since the jazz decided to make Sap the starting PF

by matching on the offer sheet, sap needs to be given the opportunity to develop as a starter. coming off the bench just delays that for another year. as for ak, i think he could hold his own playing against second-string bigs.

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 6:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Furthermore, the Jazz would be better off running and gunning along with the half court sets.

AK and Millsap would be better offensively if Boozer were gone.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

also, put fes at center

and even memo could play some 4 if necessary. his post game isn’t pretty, but it’s improving and he’s a strong rebounder.

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't have such a problem with him

if he just kept his mouth shut and played. even with his lackluster d and all, i wouldn’t be automatically picking everything he does apart if he didn’t keep digging his own hole.

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 6:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

are you referring to press interviews?

Cause since the start of the season he pretty much has kept his mouth shut

by sherbs on Nov 11, 2009 6:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yes to the press interviews

but also random comments throughout the season like “i’m a starter”—which he reiterated at the start of this season. it doesn’t help that everyone else talks about being willing to do what’s best for the team and him sticking out like a sore thumb in that respect.

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 6:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a bad call on D-Will's drive.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:05 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Knicks have started well

I thought they didn’t come out to play until the 4th quarter…

by sherbs on Nov 11, 2009 6:19 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

We are 0-4 on threes. They are 3-5.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:28 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Does Deron look alright?

Or can you tell he’s playing injured?

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 6:39 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

He looks apprehensive, but okay.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:40 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

DWill

More than Halfway to triple-double. lol! How great would that be?

by mcjazzman32 on Nov 11, 2009 6:39 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nah

in Jr. Jazz, I think you have to play them for like half the game.

Not just 15 seconds at the end of each half in a blowout.

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 6:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

how sad

that i think that is the awesomest suggestion ever

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 6:42 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he should do that

everyone can only play half the game max (save for Deron & maybe Okur/AK).
Everyone has to play 10 (or so) minutes/game.

And the wristbands = GREAT idea.

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 6:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Why was Koufos isolated on Paul Pierce?

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:40 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Because

slow needs reasons to keep Koof on the bench.

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 6:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

+/-

Boozer -11

Yuck.

by Brigadier Pudding on Nov 11, 2009 6:42 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Here's the thing...

+/- is a horrible stat. Way to dependent on the team you’re out there with.

That said… it’s still annoying to see him have the worst one on the team… and a -11 in a 10 point game.

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 6:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, maybe

but over 1 game (and even worse, 1 half)… it’s kinda irrelevant.

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 6:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course. Although the stinker he dropped against Dallas. the -27 or whatever, told a great story.

The Jazz looked great when he went to the bench and then looked horrible in the fourth quarter.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

he has the worst +/- on the team

except for price and maynor

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 6:45 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean

over the season, right?

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 6:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay...

was worried what I was missing, b/c I was pretty sure Price wasn’t going to play today.

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 6:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Boozer and Okur

Have probably the worst defense. Can’t think of a worse defending starting PF and C

by P_Dizzle on Nov 11, 2009 6:52 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

what sux

is that Okur has it in him. I remember his doing a great job on Yao in the 07 playoffs.

by mcjazzman32 on Nov 11, 2009 6:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

boozer has it in him too

he has great hands and great footwork on offense when he wants to. which leads me to conclude to he thinks he IS playing defense, or doesn’t think he needs to.

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 6:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He is a good defender in the low post. He can't block shots are move laterally with opposing centers.

Against the Yaos and the Duncans of the league, he can be a good defender.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 6:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

frustration...

… is what inspired that comment. I can actually think of a few that are worse. But watch the game and count how many times it appears Memo and Boozer are just watching instead of defending and it pisses me off. Just act like your defending. Millsap will jump and swat, which is also why he is always in foul trouble.

by P_Dizzle on Nov 11, 2009 6:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is time to permanently replace Williams with Maynor.

And by permanently, I mean for tonight.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 7:02 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

booze and memo watching

just jump in the air and act like you tried. it will make me feel better.

by P_Dizzle on Nov 11, 2009 7:02 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I don't have a stat sheet in front of me...

But Brewer looks like garbage out there, IMO. He should taken the deal that KOC offered, instead of playing Matthews into a deal.

by rxmike12 on Nov 11, 2009 7:03 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I guess that's true.

But he’s working himself into a deal similar to CJ’s as opposed to one like Millsap’s.

by rxmike12 on Nov 11, 2009 7:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

not yet

they got to give a good 3rd quarter to make the front office think they can compete, before they piss it away in the 4th and let boston go for 40 in the 4th

by P_Dizzle on Nov 11, 2009 7:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Did y'all here the story

about Rondo telling CP3 he’d never win a ring and that he wishes he was Rondo.

by Brigadier Pudding on Nov 11, 2009 7:04 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

lol

no but that makes me like rondo just a bit more. although i can’t stand the guy

by P_Dizzle on Nov 11, 2009 7:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe we

can play some d now.

by P_Dizzle on Nov 11, 2009 7:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...

Let the D try to ignite the O.

..and I love Deron, but he’s done defensively tonight.

by rxmike12 on Nov 11, 2009 7:07 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He needs to be sat.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 7:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

locke said perkins looks like the russian doll

that comes out of fes, and that sap is the next doll down

that was kind of funny

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 7:13 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

No idea

it’d be kinda stupid given how much slow seems to hate him

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 7:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i was only thinking

that they’re getting their money’s worth tonight (relatively) if htey held on to him

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 7:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That was embarrasing at the end of the quarter.

Memo and Boozer are both being made an example of. 37 minutes combined tonight.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 7:24 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

that means we’re not going to score anything.

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 7:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, they weren't doing anything good when they were in.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 7:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

too bad it’s not rallying the troops or inspiring anyone.

by P_Dizzle on Nov 11, 2009 7:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

sit d-will

for the rest of the night. he wasn’t doing much and let maynor get some tick. it will only do him good.

by P_Dizzle on Nov 11, 2009 7:27 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

slow won't do that though

it’d be like giving up.

and he won’t do that until there are only like 2 minutes left

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 7:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

trade rumors

anyone heard any? i hope there’s a trade soon. whether it’s booze, miles or whoever it is someone needs to go. this team isn’t going to do it.

by P_Dizzle on Nov 11, 2009 7:28 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

i don't know what trading miles gets us, but what does keeping him get us?

i’m just saying there needs to be a trade of some kind. whether it’s a role player or a starter, someone needs to go.

i want boozer gone as bad as the next guy, but at this point i will just take anything.

by P_Dizzle on Nov 11, 2009 7:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Miles

we need wings, and he can shoot.

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 7:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Miles?

Probably nothing.

I think Brewer would net us more and, truthfully, he’s more likely to go.

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by UtesFan89 on Nov 11, 2009 7:36 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I chat with Chad Ford occasionally and he said that everyone he has talked to says they haven't heard from the Jazz trade discussion wise.

Opposing GMs are supposedly surprised that the Jazz haven’t been more active.

My theory: The Jazz are masquerading keeping Boozer as a commitment to winning, but it is actually the fiscally responsible move. So they will keep him for expiring contract’s sake.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 7:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

lester hudson (who?) is in

that’s doc rivers waving the white flag on behalf of jerry

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 7:39 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

He's the backup of our backup pointguards backup.

Not even kidding.

Anyway, not here to rub anything in. I’m just here to tell you guys that I think you got a sick amount of offensive rebounds. Dunno what happened, our D seemed great but we couldn’t keep you guys from getting those.

And Utah has my respect for that. Good luck in the future guys, hope ya’ll pull it together a bit better next time we meet; I like basketball, and I like tight games.

Have fun this season.

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by Kiorrik on Nov 11, 2009 7:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

KOOF

Dominating.

by rxmike12 on Nov 11, 2009 7:40 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

i would be excited

if i hadn’t been kicked in the gut too many times

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 7:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

if i could be more like you

i wouldn’t need therapy lol

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 7:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

How about this for a silver lining?

Knicks lose again.

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by clarkpojo on Nov 11, 2009 7:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

fact

atl 111 nyk 97 with 1:34 left

by moni on Nov 11, 2009 7:51 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

you can't jinx that, can ya?

Nobody gives up 14 point 4th quarter leads.

Oh wait.

by rxmike12 on Nov 11, 2009 7:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

having Jazz play horribly

Has made my watching much more efficient. Just read all of your posts—10 minutes and I’m done. And I’m even smiling after a loss.
Thanks guys (and Danielle, who apparently doesn’t watch now that KK is out)m

by Juan B on Nov 11, 2009 8:20 PM MST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

not the best game to be at for a jazz fan

I had great seats tho , and nothing was thrown at my milsap jersey !

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