The Downbeat - 12 November 2009 - #99 - The Green with Envy Edition
Have to be concerned about this.
Ross Siler reiterated my point,
For the first time this season, it seems worth a reminder that Williams is only under contract to the Jazz for three seasons, including this one. It would be quite a waste to squander one such season, especially with Williams at or nearing his prime at age 25.
If they're just content to let Boozer's contract come off the books then this team is even more messed up then I thought.
So the Jazz finish out the road trip tomorrow night in Philly and then the next night in Cleveland. Maybe we'll get to see some more Fess?
There's no doubt that Deron is the leader of the team. However, I do think that he needs someone else to help out. We're not getting that from Boozer. We had a bit of a co-leader when Fisher was here. But I would like to see another big name vet that can come in and help take a bit of the pressure off of D-Will.
We can't just expect things to turn around without some major shakeups. We all know that this is the same team we've had for the past three years. They've never been a great defensive team but they had that little bit of magic that could come through in the clutch or come up with the big play. There heads have been hanging for the past 9 months. We haven't seen that.
I listed the top 5 responsible parties before. I still think that's the order it should go in, but if things are going to turn around, all of them have to make changes. The FO is going to have to make a change in the way they approach things. The players are going to have to decide that they're going to have to do the best with what they have until something changes. Sloan has got to look at changing the way he does things. There's no magic bullet here.
And maybe that's the problem. It's going to take an organizational effort to get the team back on the right track and right now it doesn't look like anyone is going to do anything.
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1-2. Just got done reading Siler’s column on this. But D-Will is right, something needs to change. And it needs to be a trade. There is a $433,228 difference in salary according to hoopshype between the Jazz and the Celtics! That is sickening! 2nd highest payroll and THIS is what we are getting!?! A heartless, don’t care 3-5 team! Boston is touting their “Big 3” and we got no one that even wants to step up. You could tell D-Will was pissed last night and especially in that Sacramento loss. I have been waiting to see how long it would take him to say something. Sickening, absolutely sickening! I can’t believe we gave Memo a contract extension. His defense is horrible.
8. Maybe we will just piss D-Will off more and he will be demanding a trade by the end of the road trip.
4. I am kind of disappointed in D-Will’s leadership role. He is clearly our guy and the face of the franchise. I would like to see….. I am just frustrated with everyone on the team right now.
5. Right now the FO is on the top of the list. Make a damn trade! Are you really that blind? Something needs to change and someone needs to go. I don’t even care who goes any more. Just trade someone. Obviously I want Boozer gone, but hell I would be happy with any trade. I am willing to part with anyone not named Deron Williams. My loyalty to the Jazz right now equals the effort they are giving on the court. Needless to say I have no loyalty to the Jazz right now.
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1. I don’t know KOC can ignore that tweet from his star. D-Will may say he meant a change in attitude or game plan, but it’s clear as Boozer’s face (k maybe not HIS face) that the FO needs to ship out someone and bring in a vet.
2. I’m telling ya. D-Will’s not gonna stick around if he can’t be on a team that’s not competitive. This team is the complete opposite of the Celtics, and that was never more apparent than last night’s contest. D-Will will jump ship if the FO doesn’t show a commitment to put together a good team.
8. Give us more Fess!
4. Agree with Dizzle… D-Will should try calling out a few players. He may be doing that in the locker room but we have no reason to believe it because nothing has changed. In that case, call these guys out in the media by name. If that doesn’t motivate them to do better then they really should be off the team.
5. It blows my mind that several sources say that the Jazz aren’t pursuing any trades. Some NBA execs have said that they’re surprised as well. What the hell is KOC doing? Seriously! I cannot believe with all the turmoil in the offseason and the dreadful start to this season that he isn’t offering guys to other teams. We have expiring contracts. There’s gotta be SOMETHING we can do. Right? KOC seems to think that the only way the Jazz can get better is through the draft because Utah is a small market and no one wants to come play here. What a clown. Run that fool outta here! FIRE KEVIN O’CONNOR!!!
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Here's the deal:
1- I sent D_Will_8_4real a message and asked him to ask the front office to please trade Boozer. I encourage all of you to do the same.
2- That’s why I am hoping for a couple more disappointing losses. the FO’s hand may have to be forced.
8- Fess and Millsap should be getting some more time together. They would shut it down defensively. Or at least teams wouldn’t get uncontested layups.
4- Completely agree. Fisher may have left on bad terms in fans’ eyes, but his leadership and veteran know-how was vastly underrated that year.
5- The thing about a Boozer trade is that it would be so easy to do. Tons of teams would love him as a player, or as an expiring contract. If you are Golden State, you have an excuse for not trading SJax, because his contract sucks, but with Boozer there are no excuses except for, “we think he helps our team win, or we are being financially stingy.” We know he isn’t helping the team win, so put 2 and 2 together. I can tell you like 6 trades that would make us better that I am 90% sure the opposing team would jump at.
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At this point...
What are some trades that you would propose that you think other teams would agree on?
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Basically pick a team that needs to get rid of a bad contract and a trade is there. Whether the Jazz want that trade is another story.
But here are some deals I am confident the other team would at least have to consider.
Boozer for Radmonavic and Raja Bell
Boozer for Gerald Wallace
Boozer for Tyrus Thomas and Kirk Hinrich
Boozer and Korver/Miles- for Thomas and John Salmons and Jerome James
Boozer for Richard Hamilton- I’m not a fan but Detroit would do it
Boozer for Stephen Jackson- not a fan and I don’t think Utah would do it, but GS would jump for joy
Boozer for Corey Maggette
Boozer for Mike Dunleavy Jr.
Boozer for Adam Morrison and Luke Walton
Boozer for Rudy Gay and Marco Jaric
Boozer and Harpring for Michael Redd- not a fan, but I think Milwaukee would do this.
Boozer for James Posey and Darius Songaila
Boozer for Jared Jeffries and Wilson Chandler- I think the Knicks would do this, they would certainly do Jeffries and Jordan Hill
Boozer for Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks- I’m grasping at straws, but I am just saying
Boozer for Antawn Jamison
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The problems (ignoring injuries)...
slow wouldn’t play Tyrus. He wouldn’t play Jordan Hill. S-Jax and him would mesh like oil & vinegar.
Morrison & Luke Walton works? Seriously?
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jazz get a low post defender and lakers free up salary to go for lebron this summer.
ah…. wishful thinking.
This season is turning into a complete disaster...
And the FO should have seen it coming. I’ve been pointing out all off-season that if Boozer wasn’t traded it would destroy the chemistry of the team. And it has. Maybe it is easier to see through rose-colored glasses when you know the people personally, and the whole thing is Boozer seems to be an OK guy, but when you look at from the outside it is clear. And at this point, there is no one who has proven they are untouchable except D-Will. And I don’t think he is playing great this year either.
Boozer and Okur make up the softest frontcourt in basketball. One, or both, of them NEEDS to go. And so do it NOW.
No one on the team gives up their body on D, because why do it when you get no help from the middle. It is most evident with AK. I used to think he was absolutely one of the toughest players in the league. He would challenge people 80 pounds heavier then him every time. Now, he just is not willing to risk injury for this team. He still is willing to fly around for the Russian national team, but not for this team.
Boozer and whoever else for Rip should be done. Or maybe even Boozer and whoever for Raja and Wallace if they could. Or Thomas and Hinirich. There are trades to be made that can help. JUST DO IT, AND DO IT NOW.
There is one other possibility I've considered...
… is that there is already a trade in principle done, and the teams are waiting on an injured player to be healthy enough to pass a physical. Something including Korver maybe. Or maybe even T-Mac. I hope this is the case.
Don't hold your breath.
Although another possibility is just benching Boozer and letting him expire. It’s cruel, but the team would be better.
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It's too bad
I almost want them to lose so that there hand will be forced,
but I’m not sure the F/O is smart enough. I think K/O should be fired,
I never thought I would say this, but Jerry Sloan fired, and a major
trade made.
I agree. I am hoping that things get bad enough that the management's hand gets forced.
Plus, I would honestly see us miss the playoffs and get our own lottery pick this year than to get a 7th or 8th seed and fizzle out. Look at what happened to San Antonio when they were bad that one year. Or look at us after our bad year. It can help to be talented, but get one lottery pick one year. And if we had two, we could get better really really fast.
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