The Downbeat - 4 November 2009 - #93 - The Blame Game Edition
by Basketball John on Nov 4, 2009 11:13 AM MST
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This is the first Downbeat pre-amble that I can think of. If not, I don't do this very often. I almost didn't write a DB today because I couldn't put two logical thoughts together. But the streak must go on. I'm serious though when I say that until a trade and/or personnel change is made, I can't get behind this team.
Call me a fair-weather fan if you want, but I don't think so. I think it's all about expectations. No true Jazz fan jumped off the bandwagon when Stockton and Malone left. We knew we were in store for some lean days. We were all pleasantly surprised when the 2004 TEAM almost made the playoffs when they weren't suppose to win 10 games.
Nobody had championship aspirations with the current team but we did expect them to compete for a high to middle-of-the-pack finish in the west.
The Boozer situation has been a problem for almost a year now and yet nothing has been done about it. The Jazz were hoping and praying he wouldn't opt back in, but he did. At that point, there should have been a trade done within the week. He at least had some value then, he has none now. Once again, the Jazz had an opportunity to be proactive and get something done, but they waited to see what was going to happen.
The FO had to have been aware of the bad chemistry in the locker room. Either they did and did nothing about it or they were ignorant to the whole situation. And if the latter is the case, then there should be some housecleaning going on at the ESA.
So for the DB today, I give to you my order of blame for the current mess we have.
Front office. See above. Something should have been done a long time ago. This isn't the first time either.
Carlos Boozer. Should have kept your mouth shut so that the Jazz could have traded you. Everyone would be happy. I don't see how he thought going on the radio to promote his camps give a Boozer-infomercial was going to help.
Jerry Sloan. Sorry Jerry, at least some of this rests on your shoulders. From the lack of timeouts to player rotations, you've lost me. I understand you might not be a great motivator, but thinking that the millions the players make should be motivation enough is a poor excuse for not trying to rally your troops.
The Team. While Jerry should be putting the right players on the floor, when you're on the floor, it's up to you to execute. For some reason, you haven't been able to do that for a full game.
David Stern. No reason, just because.
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Sooooooooooooo . . . . when do you think we should start working on internal development and having big guys who can defend at the NBA level? expect them to get all their experience points during the summer and playing for their native lands (greece/ukraine)?
stupid. nice job front office / coaching staff . . .
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Nov 4, 2009 11:16 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
When?
Probably sometime in the next 50 years. Closer to the end of that than the beginning.
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by UtesFan89 on Nov 4, 2009 3:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the guys when they say that there are no chemistry issues in the lockerroom.
I think that people would report honestly if there was evidence in the lockerroom of people fighting or not getting along. I believe that the teammates like each other and get along.
On the other hand, the on court chemistry is atrocious and has been since the Miami loss last season. Poor body language has been seen often. And when Boozer gets the ball in the post, he does that fake handoff to Brewer and then holds the ball and doesn’t feed the cutter often enough. He needs to make an offensive move before the defense can react. Instead he waits for the double team and usually messes up the recognition. He is slow offensively right now.
Brewer needs to shoot in rhythm. I know its a confidence issue, but just shoot the ball when you are open Brewer. When he takes a hesitation after the pass, you can count on it to come up short.
In general, cutters aren’t cutting to the basket like they used to when Deron Williams penetrates. Deron is usually able to dish to a cutter for an open dunk when he drives. It isn’t happening right now.
Defensively, we need to protect the rim. Even if it costs us a defensive rebound, all shots at the rim should be challenged. This is the biggest difference between Millsap and Boozer and Fesenko and Okur. When Nowitzki went to the rim on that give-n-go last night, Boozer didn’t even make a real effort to stop the shot. Millsap blocks that shot. Probably fouls, but at least defends the rim.
The on court chemistry is awful. That is what needs to change.
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by clarkpojo on Nov 4, 2009 11:50 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with the on-court chemistry as well.
As far as the locker room chemistry goes, I don’t think today’s NBA players would talk bad about each other even if they had just had a fist fight. It’s just an unwritten rule.
Of course we’re never there, but there is something wrong.
by Basketball John on Nov 4, 2009 12:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
nice post
good to read your views
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by TheOnlyRhodeIslandJazzFan on Nov 4, 2009 11:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d put Booze at #1 – if he were playing his A game I think he would earn everyone’s respect back. I mean, I admit that I never really liked Boozer even in his best years but I certainly wouldn’t be calling for a mid-season trade if he were making us a championship contender. But Boozer is farther off from that than ever and he is running out of excuses..
by MelMan2002 on Nov 4, 2009 11:51 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
bbj, if your a fair-weathered fan then i am too. this is beyond ridiculous. i had conversations with people in my office about how the jazz are going to be a more expensive version of the exact same team as last year. this team is a joke. as presently constituted the jazz will mathematically be out of the playoffs by the all-star game.
as far as no locker room drama, i don’t buy that. i think there is locker room issues. no one wants to be the bad guy and call boozer out. he is probably saying all the right things, he just has no heart and is not invested in the team. so from the surface it looks like there are no issues because he is saying all the right things but if you dig down there are some major locker room issues and they begin and end with #5.
as far as david stern…. he is somehow involved. i like keeping him on the list.
why wasn’t there any moves made in the off-season? the front office really thought nothing needed to change???
by P_Dizzle on Nov 4, 2009 12:06 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
8. Why did Jerry leave Okur (with a bad knee and ankle) on Nowitzki? Why didn’t the Jazz double team Dirty Dirk? Why didn’t the Jazz go to a zone?
Why couldn’t someone knock Dirk on his a$$? The Jazz might be the softest team in the NBA.
Found the quote of the night:
"We fought, no question about that," Boozer said. "We definitely fought. But it’s tough when you still come up short and you don’t win."
You fought!!?? I am going to question that! I could find more fight in roadkill then I could find in the Jazz that 4th quarter.
by P_Dizzle on Nov 4, 2009 12:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Siler brought this up to. Leaving Okur there was just dumb, especially on a bad leg. ‘Sap would’ve been a better choice. Or Fesenko, who frustrated Dirk a bit early.
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by UtesFan89 on Nov 4, 2009 3:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
the answer is bad coaching i think
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by TheOnlyRhodeIslandJazzFan on Nov 4, 2009 11:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it, but I gave up on the Jazz before the season even started. It was pretty conclusively proven last season that this current team can’t get it done. Adding another PG (Maynor) isn’t solving any of the problems from last year. I know this is all well-documented, but here’s a summary of the problems:
- Perimeter Defense: This has been an issue going back to the days of Stockton-to-Malone. The Jazz just can’t defend the perimeter, particularly when there the other team features a high scoring 2 guard? How many 50+ point games have the Jazz given up in the last few years? I’m guessing it has to be in the double digits.
- Outside Shooting: I know Jerry hates the 3, so when you see someone in a Jazz uni shooting the 3 it usually means one of three things: 1) the play broke down, and it was a desperation heave; 2) the shooter is freelancing; 3) the defense broke down leaving the 3 wide open. I don’t think we have a single play designed to get a shooter free on the perimeter, but even if we did, who is taking that three? Korver? Grossly overrated. Kirilenko? Only if we want to miss. Memo? Not a bad choice, but he’s best from the top of the arc, and most drive/kick plays end up with the shooter on the wings. Deron? Yeah, but odds are he would be breaking down the defense with his penetration.
- Inside Presence: Our lack of outside shooting allows opposing teams to pack the paint, making it difficult for our big men to work down low. And, our starting center is more comfortable hitting an outside shot than banging in the post, so that leaves us with Boozer and Millsap to do the dirty work, and they ain’t getting it done. (Don’t talk to me about Koof – his four minutes per isn’t contributing much, and I don’t think Fes will ever put it together).
- Inside Defense/Shoot Blocking: We haven’t had a shot blocker since ‘Tag. We don’t have anyone quick enough to keep up with highly mobile 4s and 5s.
- Front Office: The Front Office has done a terrible job managing our cap space. Yeah, I know, no one planned on AK regressing so much, and we had to waay overpay to get Boozer and Memo in 2004. But, we should have let CJ walk, and Harp should have never gotten that extension. And, I know Chad Ford/ESPN will disagree, but our drafts have been horrible, particularly in the first round.
- Powder blue uniforms: Yeah, I know this isn’t really a problem. But, God how I hate those things.
I don’t see how any of that is changing in the near future. Sure, we can move Boozer for 30 cents on the dollar (to borrow a phrase from Simmons) but he’s not bringing in an athletic, shot blocking 4. And, even if we did get one, that doesn’t solve any of the other problems.
This team needs a complete make-over, but it’s not going to happen. Boozer has no trade value (especially when any interested teams know that they’ll be able to get him for a substantial discount over the summer), AK is virtually untradeable, Memo is overpaid given his production (and current injuries), and our other pieces not named Williams aren’t bringing back any major chips.
My prediction for this year? D-Will’s All-Star selection will be the highlight. Boozer gets moved at the trade deadline for a vastly inferior, yet super-expensive player, and we finish either fourth or fifth in the West, and Houston bounces us in the first round.
The only hope Utah has right now is that the Knicks continue to stink it up, and we end up with a top 3 pick in next year’s draft.
by kris247 on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Sigh. I screwed up the numbered list formatting. Although, I do like the way it ended up — it’s tough to choose which of those is the #1 problem.
by kris247 on Nov 4, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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Adding a PG in the draft wasn’t bad, we needed a back-up. I wasn’t done with the team then, I was still hoping for a Boozer trade that would net us a good shooter. When that didn’t happen… As for your issues.
1- Agreed. I’m thinking Brewer might be able to help there, but we’ll have to see.
2- This is fully on slow… I don’t see it changing as long as he’s here.
3- Okur’s alright at it. ‘Sap is working on it. Fesenko isn’t bad, and is getting better. The Koof isn’t going to get time until he finds a new team.
4- Fesenko might be the guy there.
5- Agreed re: FA. As for the draft… if we’d give them time, they’d be good (Almond, The Koof, Maynor). Or if, you know, we could develop players.
6- Amen!
If we can get Tyrus Thomas & John Salmons (as was mentioned in a different thread by a Bulls fan), that’ll give us both a shot-blocker (if slow plays him, which is questionable) and a shooter. AK & Okur are fine (though AK is overpaid, but we’re stuck with that). What we need is a coach willing to plan around what he has, and a FO that’s willing to try and find the shooter.
Deron. Shooter. AK/Brewer. ’Sap. Okur/Fesenko.
It’ll keep you competitive, if nothing else.
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by UtesFan89 on Nov 4, 2009 3:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems that the Jazz front office likes the ol’ wait n see- ask Dr Cox how well it works.
by wastelandwalker on Nov 4, 2009 2:47 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Kinda disappointed....
Yeah the Jazz are playing some terrible basketball, but it’s times like this that the fans need to rally behind the team. It’s easy to support a team when they are playing above your expectations, as they have been generally over the last few years, but you have to get behind the team in their lowest moments as well.
There are probably about 1000 reasons why they have started so poorly and I hope that these issues are rectified, but in the meantime you’ve still got to support your team….
It only takes one game to turn things around.
by sherbs on Nov 4, 2009 2:52 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Support...
I’ll support them like I normally do (though while watching even fewer games this year).
That said, I can’t support Boozer. Or the FO’s inactivity. Or slow’s out-dated & not working coaching scheme.
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by UtesFan89 on Nov 4, 2009 3:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The discontint is not with the win/loss collumn. The problem is the way they are losing, the crappy managment, and out of date coaching.
by Bobby Joness on Nov 4, 2009 4:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The FO treats fans as a commodity, not an asset. They know that they can put the bare minimum of a product on the floor, and people in Utah will support it (e.g. buy tickets/tune in). The FO doesn’t see a need to be competitive, develop talent, or improve the product because we, the fans, don’t demand it.
Somewhat paradoxically, the best way to support the Jazz is to stop supporting this current iteration of the team. If we stop buying tickets, driving television advertising revenue, and wearing our Kyle Korver jerseys it will hurt the team’s bottom line. When the FO starts to feel it financially, only then will they make changes.
by kris247 on Nov 4, 2009 4:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Or, according to Greg Miller's comments, move the team to a different city.
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by clarkpojo on Nov 4, 2009 6:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
How is that the best way to support the Jazz?
That’s crazy! In a small market, when the FO starts to feel it financially they start to think, hey, maybe it’s time to move to a new city….
Greg Miller could sell the Jazz any time he wants to and would make a riduculous amount of money from it. Look at the Sonics, they sold for $350m just a couple of years ago.. While the Miller family remain as owners I couldn’t see the team leaving Utah, but it isn’t exactly outside the realms of possibility.
Everyone’s basis for the FO being so terrible seems to be that they haven’t traded Boozer. To say they haven’t taken steps to make the team better and put more than the bare minimum of a product on the floor is ridiculous. There are some very short memories here, because it wasn’t that long ago that the Jazz only won 26 games for an entire season. Look how long it took the Bulls to recover after Jordan left. How can anyone say that the FO have done a poor job.
No, they haven’t traded Boozer, but we don’t know what options they have had… They haven’t been inactive over the break, they signed Paul Millsap, despite the fact that it put them well over the luxury tax and the Miller’s deserve credit for putting up the cash in order to keep him.
It has been a poor start to the season, but Jazz fans sometimes forget how lucky they have been to have had a team as consistent as the Jazz have been since the 80’s….
by sherbs on Nov 4, 2009 7:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with most of what you say...
…but the point is that this team might get more wins than the 26-win team, but that team was in many ways more consistent than what we have now. there has been more losing teams in the past, but no teams with as little heart. i’ve never been as filled with despair over the jazz as i am now, and that includes 2003-2005.
by moni on Nov 4, 2009 7:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
true
But they were consistently crap :)
Similar things were being said that season, about players not willing to play through injuries etc…
I’ve only seen 3 games this year (all losses) and the team (not just 1 player) has looked pretty bad for parts of the game, but there have been glimpses of what a good team they could be as well. That is frustrating I agree, but I hate the idea of not being fully behind your team even when they are driving you crazy :)
The sky isn’t falling… Boozer will be gone at the end of this season at the latest. The worst case scenario as far as the team goes is probably finishing 8th in the west again. If the team flops then we start again next year with a high draft pick (possibly 2 depending on the success of the Knicks), and if the team does enough to finish in the top 4 then there is a chance of a playoff run.
It’s not all bad….
by sherbs on Nov 4, 2009 7:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like the same wait and see mentality the FO has...
by Bobby Joness on Nov 4, 2009 8:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
So what do you recommend they do?
Trade Boozer for who?
It’s not as if the team is one player away from a championship at the moment… Long term the team may be better off with the wait and see mentality, as it has been for most of the past 20 years.
There isn’t an obvious solution that is going to fix everything. Boozer cops a lot of heat at the moment, but who does it end up on if they continue to struggle after he has gone?
by sherbs on Nov 4, 2009 9:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
consistant at not winning a championship is like being the best loser.
yes we have gone to the playoffs many a day. but seriously, we have never been in this situation before. pieces need to be moved, chemistry is being killed because of constancy. we move booz…we all see the chemistry is there when he isnt playing and get crap back…at least we arent overpaying for the same product. a scrappy glue guy like harp..who gives us “nasty” every game. i dont see how the FO can stand watching their crappy product on the floor night in night out. and if they want to stay this type of constant, you know D-Will is out ASAP
by UtonganKidInCali on Nov 5, 2009 11:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer has played bad, but....
For a team that supposedly has one of the best point guards in the league, this team sure does stink in the 4th quarter…and has for a few years now.
I like Deron, but the only part of his game that has improved since ‘06-’07 is his outside jumper. Oh, and that rad cross-over he kills people with. He still is only average at making the rest of the team better. He needs to learn to be a great point guard. Even a good point guard would make the team at this point.
by Lee H on Nov 4, 2009 3:11 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
you can lead a horse to water....
…. but you can’t make it drink.
besides, throw memo on any other team and see if he gets you the numbers he’s putting up. i think d-will has made memo a better player than he really is.
by P_Dizzle on Nov 4, 2009 4:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And Brewer.
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by clarkpojo on Nov 4, 2009 6:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Basketball John
Hey I am new to this blog, gotta say I love the Downbeats. And, even more, appreciate Basketball John’s diligence in actually coming up with a Downbeat after our Jazz got beaten down. I couldn’t have done it considering I was so pissed at the Jazz’s performance I wondered if being a Laker fan (whom I despise) would bring more peace and happiness into my life. I’m ready for a turnaround. Thanks again Basketball John!
by Mic Spittin on Nov 4, 2009 5:59 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I almost didn't do one
I was the same thing as you.
by Basketball John on Nov 4, 2009 9:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
welcome
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by TheOnlyRhodeIslandJazzFan on Nov 4, 2009 11:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed agreed amen amen.
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by MTN on Nov 4, 2009 6:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
hold on a sec...
let’s not have a conniption just yet. to play devil’s advocate, while losing at home to h-town was terrible, losses @ denver and @ dallas (remember, they just went in to staples and gave the lakers a smackdown) are not egregious sins. are the jazz championship contenders? no. but let’s wait to see them with cj and korver before we all start counting down until the knicks’ pick in the nba draft. cj was playing awesome in the pre-season before getting hurt, and a consistent outside shooter not named deron could do wonders for the jazz’s offense. however, i’m all for sticking boozer’s big a** on the bench. he’s not in the future plans, he’s playing like crap, and even if he were playing well, the jazz aren’t championship contenders, so let’s play the guys who could make us a force in a year or two.
by bigdog'sshades on Nov 4, 2009 6:17 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
The start of this season is not the only issue
This is a continuation from last year. Talent is not the issue. It is the heart, or the lack thereof, of this teams players/ownership. Unless attitudes change immediately, this team is unsalvageable, even when completely healthy. Jazz fans deserve better than the effort being put into this season. It is time for changes, NOW!
by Bobby Joness on Nov 4, 2009 6:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Second everything you say.
It’s not about a 1-3 record after the first 4. It’s about the chemistry that first went sour last year and is simply getting worse and worse (I’m talking about on-court chemistry). It was the body language. It was the fact that everyone in both the Houston and Dallas games, everybody knew recognized that disaster was coming within the first 2 minutes of the 4th quarter and NOBODY acted like they were going to even try to battle it. It was the beaten look on D-Will’s face — no fight, no anger, just beaten, dead looks. It’s how much Boozer’s 40-minute crap-fest every game is killing the development of the young guys. It’s how the FO wants a good deal out of Boozer, but every game kills his value more and more, so the Jazz have to play him more and more to try to salvage something, so the young guys get less and less time, so the situation poisons the team chemistry more and more, so they FO wants to get even more value in a Boozer trade, so the pressure to play him 40 minutes goes up, and on and on and on and on.
by Yucca Man on Nov 4, 2009 8:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
AGREED
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by TheOnlyRhodeIslandJazzFan on Nov 4, 2009 11:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
p.s.
i cannot believe someone on the jazz did not try to give dirk a black eye after he scored 15 or so of his 29 pts. in the fourth quarter. would he have done that against the celtics? no, because rasheed wallace or kg would have tackled him like a linebacker on his 47th uncontested drive down the lane. what a bunch of whimps.
by bigdog'sshades on Nov 4, 2009 6:20 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Go watch the replay of Nowitzki's give-n-go. Watch what Boozer does. If that is Millsap or Fes, Dirk gets some physical contact.
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by clarkpojo on Nov 4, 2009 6:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
not to keep invoking his name
but there’s no way karl malone would have let someone score that many points on him without making the guy pay for it and think twice before shooting again.
by moni on Nov 4, 2009 6:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
karl would have volleyball-spiked dirk’s head to the court. and the jazz would have won. how i miss him dearly.
by bigdog'sshades on Nov 4, 2009 7:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Even Ostertag probably would have lain a hard foul down on Dirk.
by Vromanite on Nov 4, 2009 8:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i bet matty would have.
and he would have messed with dirk’s head while he was at it. we may have guys to fill his place in the rotation, but not that part of his game.
by moni on Nov 4, 2009 11:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
after a concussion and 24 stitches
yeaaaaaah the good ole days
by UtonganKidInCali on Nov 5, 2009 11:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it
We must have all been yelling at the tv to put the man on his A$$. not let him skip in the the lane and give him a kind how do you do sir bump for the foul
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by TheOnlyRhodeIslandJazzFan on Nov 4, 2009 11:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
boozer and millap need to see this and emulate:
by bigdog'sshades on Nov 4, 2009 8:07 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant.
I really miss those days. Haven’t seen the jazz foul like that since the Araujo days. Malone was such a bad a$$
by jake1ar on Nov 4, 2009 11:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The most commented downbeat ever?
by Basketball John on Nov 4, 2009 9:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
should've called it the beatdown
and it may be the most down downbeat ever
by moni on Nov 4, 2009 11:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
some very good stuff on here
some great debate , we need to get a chat going to get some real back and forth going.
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by TheOnlyRhodeIslandJazzFan on Nov 4, 2009 11:26 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Leadership!
It all starts with leadership. From the F/O to Jerry Sloan to the players on the court. The F/O has already put together a good team on paper. They simply need to play mean and down right dirty. Make any team fear driving the lane no matter how many flagrant fouls it costs you. Boozer isn’t getting the job done along with alot of other players, who cares, put Fes, Koufas, anyone who is willing to knock someone to the ground in the game. Deron hasn’t even had the edge yet this season. I usually don’t like calling players out, but he needs to, every single one of them including himself. Sloan, even with his so-called hard nosed style is nothing but soft. My stomach can’t take this for too many more years, but I know it will have to.
by ag98justin on Nov 4, 2009 11:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Front Office... No question is No. 1
This Boozer situation should have been handled long ago. Plus, KOC has saddled this team with horrendous contracts. Even after this season, when Boozer’s contract comes off the books, the Jazz aren’t going to have money to go get a quality player to bring in.
This season looks like it’s headed for disaster. But I’m more worried about the long-term future. The Jazz aren’t one player away from competing for a championship… they’re a few away. And they won’t be able to spend that kind of money to bring a quality player, let alone a few, for another couple of seasons. By that time, D-Will will grow tiresome of playing for a team that can’t become competitive and will opt out early and skip town. And I can’t say I blame him. As bad as this season looks, the future looks even more grim.
How’s that for a downer?
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by neff on Nov 5, 2009 11:11 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been banging on the cap space drum for years. I don’t think the FO understands the nuances of the current salary cap. If they did, we wouldn’t be looking at $57 million in payroll for eight players — and that’s before we extend Brewer a qualifying offer, and pick up an additional two players in the draft. (And, trust me, the Knicks pick isn’t going to come with a cheap cap hold).
Things are looking better in the summer of 2011 – we only have $23 million in committed salaries. But, that’s for two, TWO, players (D-Will and Millsap). Plus, we’ll be looking a whole new CBA, so who knows how that will affect the ability of the FO to sign free agents.
by kris247 on Nov 5, 2009 2:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
...And knowing our luck...
The Knicks will rebound with their best season in years and make the playoffs… Ok maybe not. But that’s the kind of fan this team is turning me into!
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by neff on Nov 5, 2009 11:12 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
if they do...
im officially becoming a knicks fan…i’ll even buy a jersey! my little way of sticking it to the Manz
by UtonganKidInCali on Nov 5, 2009 11:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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