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From KFAN: Blazers offer Millsap 4-year deal worth $32-$36M.

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That's supposed to be "toxic"?

It’s pretty reasonable; I’d match it.

by Vromanite on Jul 10, 2009 5:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh wow

That certainly changes things a bit, but I still think they’ll match. We’ll see though.

by Vromanite on Jul 10, 2009 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

blazerfan here

Us over in Blazeland are fanatic about our team. I actually like the ceiling better now then back in the Glide days. This is the reason you get so many of us on your site. I will always try to be respectful and just talk ball.

It is unfortunate that your team is in this position. We Blazer fans know the feeling as our highest paid players for the last 2 seasons have been D Miles, LaFrentz, and S Francis. This obviously speaks volumes for what Pritchard has done and if you get involved with him you will most likely lose. Some of Pritchards deals include,

Randy Foye 4 BRoy and cash

Tyrus Thomas and Kryhapa 4 LaMarcus Aldridge.

Rudy Fernandez was acquired by buying PHX pick for 250k.

Now Pritchard has set his mark on you guys because of your financial situation and for making the mistake of signing the mercenary Boozer. That guy opted in because there was no one who would pay him the money he is getting from you guys not because he wants to help the Jazz get to a title.

All of the fan posts over here are for the most part intelligent and courteous and I hope I did not offend anyone buy discussing my thoughts on your site.

by eclecticspider on Jul 12, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

blazers fans

at least the ones that have visited here are, in your words, intelligent and courteous (unlike some others i could name *cough*la*cough). you guys have a great team, and i can totally understand why you have one of the loudest arenas i’ve ever heard (outside of ours of course). so go ahead and discuss your thoughts…it’s always good to get another perspective.

by moni on Jul 12, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's a fair and shrew move on Pritchard's part.

But don’t worry. The Jazz might get the last laugh. Perhaps next season, the Blazers will be strapped for cash with all the young studs putting out their hands for cash money and the Jazz might have the cap room with all those contracts coming off the books. So don’t get too comfortable. The Millers don’t like to be bullied. They will remember this.

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by clarkpojo on Jul 12, 2009 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

"the Jazz might have the cap room with all those contracts coming off the books."

At which point they will sign Matt Harpring to a 5 year max contract and spend then next month gloating over what a steal it was…

by Bobby Joness on Jul 12, 2009 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

If they do match

It will mean that Boozer is gone, possibly in the rumored deal that would send Hinrich to Portland.

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by BigCelPhone on Jul 10, 2009 5:23 PM MDT reply actions  

The Jazz have 7 days to match

So they could move Booze in that span to make room to match the offer.

by Vromanite on Jul 10, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

But you need to move him for cap space, or pay.

That’s hopefully what this is all about. You match, the trade Booz to Chi, they send us Hinrich, and you get space and Tim Thomas. I hope that’s what’s happening here. The offer could have been higher if the blazers renounced some Euros, so this may be to not alienate Utah completely.

There’re only a few teams with space, now. Maybe OKC, but they prolly not interested in a Booz rental.

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by hobobob on Jul 10, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Um

Tim Thomas?

I’d rather they pay the tax.

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 10, 2009 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't be surprised

if the Jazz match, and then trade Booze for Hinrich & keep him too. They’ve supposedly had interest in him before.

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 10, 2009 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't blame the Jazz for something like that

PDX is putting it to them right now. But, with DWill, Hinrich would be wasted. He’s not the best off guard.

I don’t blame you for preferring the tax either, but if it’s your money, it might be tougher to stomach.

I’d be shocked if the Jazz don’t match.

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by hobobob on Jul 10, 2009 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Utah Matches

With the signing bonus, Utah will have to pay an extra $20 million in salary cap tax for one year.

by Balian on Jul 10, 2009 5:31 PM MDT reply actions  

really?

John Hollinger on Twitter:

Blazers can give Millsap 4 yr, $28 mil plus $6 mil bonus up front. But the cap figure would still be 7.7 million, so no extra tax for Utah

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by Shums on Jul 10, 2009 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

if Hollinger is right

that makes matching a slam dunk.

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by Shums on Jul 10, 2009 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hollinger is wrong.

Cap gurus at BE know their stuff. I know that sounds strange, but I’d trust Storyteller over Hollinger any day.

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by hobobob on Jul 10, 2009 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Jazz will match.

Book it.

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by Shums on Jul 10, 2009 5:45 PM MDT reply actions  

Of course they will.

The questions are…

1- Should they?
2- When do they trade Boozer?

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 10, 2009 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

1. Yes, they should. Aside from the ridiculous front-loaded signing bonus that was a pure F-you from the Blazers, it’s not an unreasonable contract for Millsap. It’s more than we wanted to pay, but it’s not as much as, say, what Varejao just signed for. Remember, initial speculation was 5 years/$46-53 million. This contract is MUCH less. I’m okay with it.

2. They can trade Boozer at any time at all, from now until the trade deadline. Some contender will be desperate for a huge piece like Boozer to push them over the top, and they’ll be willing to pay the $12M for the rental if it gets them a ring. Chances are, we won’t be real title contenders at that point. Plus, all the Jazz have to do is keep up the attitude of, “Hey, we’re just fine with keeping Boozer and letting his money come off the cap, even if it means we have one year of tax hell.” That way the Jazz don’t look too desperate.

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by Shums on Jul 10, 2009 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

furthermore . . .

this 2009 draft was filled with PGs, the 2010 draft is filled with PFs . . . and we will most likely have a lotto pick.

by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 10, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Trading Booz is the easy part

Not taking cap clouding players back is the tough part. That’s where the Blazers come back into things.

Shums, you’re a cool guy. Hope to see you more over at BE.

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by hobobob on Jul 10, 2009 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks, brother

I do what I can.

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by Shums on Jul 10, 2009 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

they can trade boozer at any time at all, in theory

if he gets injured again, all bets are off. that’s why, imo, the jazz need to train him as soon as possible, and preferably before the season starts when he’s reportedly not injured.

by moni on Jul 10, 2009 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Utah will match that.

The signing bonus cannot exceed 20% of the guaranteed amount of the contract. The cap hit of the bonus is spread out over the life of the contract.

by coffee on Jul 10, 2009 7:36 PM MDT reply actions  

from a Blazers fan...

such a weak “toxic” offer really surprises me. It’s not THAT toxic and as others have pointed out, Utah seemingly has all the leverage here since trading Boozer probably won’t be all that hard…

I’m guessing 90%+ that Utah matches.

Unfortunately.

;^)

by pdxrob on Jul 10, 2009 8:19 PM MDT reply actions  

blazers can only work within the rules

the blazers have never described the offer as “toxic.” that is all media hype. the offer is structured to inflict the maximum amount of pain possible on utah and force their hand one way or another. structurally that offer is as “toxic” as any i’ve ever seen.

this is definitely not a “no-brainer” decision for the Miller family. the nba economic landscape is changing and the long-term effects aren’t really being felt yet. the auto-industry in the u.s. is hurting badly and correct me if i’m wrong jazz fans, but the jazz are a hobby/love of the Miller family, not really any sort of profit center for them. does it make sense financially to keep ’sap if you realistically will not be competing for a championship next year or the year after? tough question for any team. the next 7 days will be interesting.

As a blazers fan I’d love to get ’sap, but the real play is about weakening a division rival, one way or the other. I love this game!

by goonerluke on Jul 10, 2009 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

by the way:

what’s with only 23 replies here?? the Blazers Edge thread about this offer has almost 500 comments! Not sure exactly what that says about either fan base, LOL…

by pdxrob on Jul 10, 2009 8:22 PM MDT reply actions  

Not naming anyone in particular

but the cool thing to do (read: bandwagon) is to become a Blazers fan right now. And rightfully so… young team that is building the right way. You’ll get fans like that… the Jazz won’t. Not saying that’s why you have 20x as many posts… its not… but it’ll add to your total. The Blazers are attracting fans as they go… young guys, exciting team, etc… and the Jazz are still trying to do it on the powers of Stockton/Malone before and Deron now. You have young guys. We have young guys. Yours play. Ours, for the most part, don’t.

And then there’s the fact that your team is trying to improve. Makes fans excited, they post.
The Jazz are trying to (again) stick with the status quo of a team that didn’t win it. Not as exciting.

We’re trying to figure out if the Jazz should match or not… everyone has pretty much made their thoughts known on an earlier post about how high they’d go to match. So there isn’t much to say here. Boozer trades possibilities have been discussed elsewhere too… and I don’t think the Jazz will do much there. It’s pretty much just sit & wait… the Jazz will probably match (like they did with CJ last year… even if it’s too much for him) and keep Booze as well. Because it’s what they do.

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 10, 2009 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Blazers fan here

And to be fair, the reason out young guys play is because that’s ALL we have. You actually have veteran talent. And you are right, there are a TON of bandwagon Blazer fans. I bet 75% of those commenting over at BE didn’t see a single Blazers game from 2003-2006.

by GMan83201 on Jul 10, 2009 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Our vets

we had Jason Hart & Brevin Knight splitting the last 2 years. Plus Matt Harpring & Jarron Collins.

Believe me… I’ve spent much time wishing that we didn’t have them over the last couple of years. Due to j-slow’s preference for vets, they youngsters don’t play (for the most part)… and then we lose them.

Mo Williams… should’ve be retained, but allowed to leave for Carlos Arroyo & Keith McLeod.
Sasha Pavlovic… should’ve been kept, but left unprotected for Jarron Collins & the likes.
Morris Almond… got absolutely no time b/c of Harpring & CJ Miles (who should’ve been in OKC)
Kyrylo Fesenko… probably on his way out. Partially on him, partially b/c he was behind Collins.
Kosta Koufos… still young. But played 1 game after the ASB last year, despite the fact we needed help inside.

So now… your youngsters have developed well and are winning. We’re stuck hoping Koufos/Fesenko are as good as we hope because we have no one else and because we’ve barely seen them. We’re hoping Eric Maynor is good, but knowing the Jazz, they’ll probably go get some random over-the-hill PG and make him the back-up.

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 10, 2009 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

good points

but Mo Williams was the #3 man (drafted a 2nd rounder) behind arroyo and lopez, not mcleod.

: )

by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 10, 2009 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

My impression fro your post

is that a good part of the Jazz circumstance is due to the head coach. If that is so, I’m surprised by all the praise that is directed toward him and his style.

by blzrfan1938 on Jul 12, 2009 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

And the front office

For giving long/hindering contracts. I doubt anybody in the state of Utah will ever talk bad about Sloan.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 13, 2009 4:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Actually...

I’ll admit, I’m not the biggest j-slow fan (thus the nickname).

Great coach (HOF-worthy)? Yep.
But his style/beliefs went out 5 to 10 years ago, and he’s refused to change. So the Jazz continue to play a style that isn’t working. They ignore the 3 point line… offensively and defensively, as if it’s unimportant. He “emphasizes” defense… yet the defense is horrible. He plays guys that play hard & physical, no matter whether they’re good or not, and benches guys with potential that just need some time on the court.

Yes, some of the contracts aren’t nice. But I know quite a few people that wouldn’t mind a shift to a coach with a style better suited to today’s game… a coach that plays youngsters and when emphasizing defense, actually teaches/preaches it…

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 13, 2009 6:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

And on the flip-side, I still consider Sloan the right coach for this team. He just needs people who will buy into the system.

The Jazz actually shoot a lot of three pointers, but they don’t make very many. And as for guarding the three, his teams that went deep in the playoffs played the right kind of defense. I just think he needs more defensive minded players on the team.

It is interesting though. I think the Jazz fanbase is probably pretty evenly split on those that support Sloan and those that respect him, but think his time has past.

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by clarkpojo on Jul 13, 2009 6:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would rather have a coach who can mold the talent given him.

We cannot always have the perfect group of players for his system. The problem with Sloan is that his is stuck in the Stockton to Malone days and cannot adapt to the new style of play. He now has different players and needs to use them differently. There are many different ways to produce a winning team. The current team does not fit Sloan’s old style. On any other team, a coach who cannot adapt to the talent given does not stay coach for very long…

by Bobby Joness on Jul 13, 2009 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

But the Jazz are still always playoff bound

Even with all the injuries last year. It’s almost impossible to fire a coach who has has as much consistent success as Sloan.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 13, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

but at some point, it’d be nice to see “success” result in a championship, not just another NBA playoff birth with an early exit.

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 13, 2009 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

"People that'll buy into the system"

Part of the blame goes on j-slow, for not being able to adapt to the players he has. Not everyone out there is going to be willing to go and fit into a system that hasn’t changed 1 bit in 15 years.

And part of it is on KOC… if j-slow isn’t willing to adapt at all, KOC has to do a better job of working with j-slow and finding the guys that’ll fit into the system.

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 13, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Utesfan, I appreciate your distaste for Sloan and you know I like you as a person and commentor.

But it is mostly a myth that Sloan doesn’t adapt to his players. Three years ago when the Jazz made it to the WCF, the Jazz played at the 6th fastest pace in the league while everyone talked about the Jazz’s plodding and boring style of play. Guys like Deron Williams and Ronnie Brewer had to do with that. He also played, for whatever reason, CJ miles significant minutes this season and started him. I don’t always agree with Sloan, but he actually adapts his game plan to his personnel all of the time. Look at the 2004 season when he had Donyell Marshall at the 4. He orchestrated moves based on his personnel and got about $2 out of 45 cents.

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by clarkpojo on Jul 13, 2009 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've been around these here parts for some time now

And BE is a anomaly. Just a perfect storm of team, location, fan base, administrators.

I really like this Jazz blog and I really like it’s regulars. I hate your guys’ team though :)

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 11, 2009 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

I’m pretty sure we feel the same way about the BE posters that visit here (they’re not bad) & about the team (they are bad).

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 11, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't, I hate the Spurs though (but not their SBN blog despite its bad color scheme)

And the Jazz have the cooler pump up song. SCREAM UTAH!

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by Norsktroll on Jul 12, 2009 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Unless I'm mistaken, BlazersEdge was one of the first NBA blogs on SBN.

This one is barely a year old.

Also, Portland is on the Silicon Coast as they say, and I’d wager that the Blazers have many more tech-savvy fans than do the Jazz.

Just my $0.02

by Patrick517 on Jul 10, 2009 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like this

‘cause now it forces the Jazz hand. If they are going to trade Boozer then it will be soon. I doubt the Boozer to Chi for Ty Thomas and Hinrich to Portland happens now. If the trade happens then the Jazz have the money to throw at Millsap and NOT go that far over the tax. Surely Portland sees that and wouldn’t do the trade. They would lose Millsap but pick up Hinrich.

The good thing is it now forces the Jazz hand. And this is hardly as “TOXIC” as we were all thinking. I think we all anticipated Millsap getting somewhere in the $8-9 mill range. Unless the signing bonus is really huge.

by P_Dizzle on Jul 10, 2009 8:27 PM MDT reply actions  

The Contract would cost Utah $24M next season...

If they don’t move Boozer
($6M signing bonus + $9M salary + $9M tax)

Tony Bennett reports that Minnesota and Portland are swapping draft picks -- Roy to Portland, Foye to Minnesota. That's it? That's the trade? None of the ESPN guys seem remotely fazed. I knew Kevin McHale couldn't just pick the best guy in the draft without somehow screwing it up. I would have bet my Ndudi Ebi rookie cards on it.

by Salem Stephen on Jul 10, 2009 8:37 PM MDT reply actions  

You're close, but not quite there

In fact, the salary portion of the Blazers offer for year 1 is 7.7 million, and there’s the $6 million signing bonus (a typical strategy used by teams attempting to pry away free agents). So in fact the contract would cost slightly less, roughly $20-21 million.

by GMan83201 on Jul 10, 2009 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Either way

that’s a lot. And then there’s the $3 million or so of NBA distribution money that the Jazz would lose because they’re paying the tax.

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 10, 2009 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd be extremely surprised....

If this is not matched. The Jazz FO already said that as long as the offer wasn’t “outrageous” they would match any offer.

I think after the Jazz match, this the line-up we will see at the beginning of the season. I think the Jazz FO want to see how this team does when healthy. If the team underperforms, then we will probably see moves during the trading deadline.

  The only difference is that Koof will get more PT, and Maynor will back -up DWill. Hopefully Maynor will develop enough where DWill can start looking for his points.

by brock38 on Jul 10, 2009 9:10 PM MDT reply actions  

So... this Boozer guy...

Supposedly not in the Jazz long-term plans.

Chicago/NY/Miami/Detroit? That’s not going to land the Jazz much cap relief, unless they can get OKC involved (Portland currently stuck with the offer to ’Sap, eating their cap space).

My quick (initial) thoughts are at TBJ… to sum it up though… I don’t see us getting cap relief from any of those teams. Three-way deal coming up?

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 10, 2009 10:50 PM MDT reply actions  

that's been some of the speculation all along

that the Millsap offer was just a prod to get the Jazz to commit to a deal. Basically Portland is saying, “You need our cap space to make a deal, but we don’t want to give up something significant, like Jerryd Bayless. So we’re forcing your hand. Now you have to make a deal involving us because otherwise we’re stealing Millsap, and then you’ll have no one to help you in trade.”

Portland is now the driving force in any trade. Because if the Jazz say, “No, we don’t want that,” like they said about the Bulls giving up Tim Thomas rather than Tyrus Thomas, then Portland can just say, “Fine, then we’re taking Millsap, or else you’re stuck with all that tax.” Which will make the Jazz acquiesce to the trade demand.

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by Shums on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Boozer'd

This deal isn’t too bad other than costing the Jazz $12 mil + tax in the first year. Brutal but the 7.7 mil cap hit is not that bad considering deals that Villanueva and Varejao got.

The Jazz are only $4 mil over with Boozer’s $12 mil cap hit on the books. If they could trade Boozer for $5 mil cap relief and trim another $3 mil in a Harpring deal they could conceivably be at the same tax level while keeping Millsap. That could be pretty hard but they have till the trade deadline. Boozer screwed the Jazz

That’s a decent price for having Millsap in the future though

by runningdonut on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Boozer'd indeed

How many times can he screw us? He will live in Jazz infamy.

Not too troubled by this news. While I don’t like feeling gouged by a division rival, we all know it could have been much worse.

The Jazz match this, no doubt.

I just hope ‘Sap really likes playing here—I already have concerns about his ability to perform night in and night out, but I will forgive him if he underperforms due to lack of size/talent. I will not, however, if he somehow becomes disgruntled from all of this, or if his effort drops now that he has cash. Don’t see it happening, but …

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by Juan B on Jul 11, 2009 12:31 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wrong

The cap hit is closer to $21 million due to Millsap’s signing bonus.

Though the bonus is spread out over the entire contract, the cap hit all comes in the first year. So really the Blazers are offering about $6.5 million in first year salary and roughly a $6 million dollar bonus, which is in terms of the tax all applied to the first year.

So really the cost of matching Millsap’s offer, when fully accounting for salary, bonus, and tax, is roughly $21 million.

by GMan83201 on Jul 11, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not really

Millsap would only count 7.7 mil against Utah’s salary cap next year. The signing bonus and luxury tax on that number brings the actual cost up considerably for the first year. So, yeah it’s correct that the Jazz could pay $20 mil next year to keep both Boozer and Millsap on the roster. Just like Boozer actually cost them $16mil to keep since his opt-in forced them into the luxury tax. Besides that the offer is not so bad as to cripple the Jazz payroll beyond the first year of the deal.

As neither a Jazz nor Blazers fan I am indifferent to this deal. But past the signing bonus, it’s not really overpaying. Considering the deals Utah gave to Miles, Kirilenko, and Okur there’s only a few reasons I could see them not matching. First would be they plan to keep Boozer and sign him to a future long term extension. Second they could also be hurting badly enough financially to be unable to eat the first year cost. In that case I think they would not only shed Boozer but Kirilenko, Miles, and Harpring too to save enough money to keep him.

by runningdonut on Jul 11, 2009 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, technically yes

His salary hit is actually closer to 6.5 million. But since the Jazz aren’t looking to sign any FA’s anyway, the real concern is his cost to the team. Millsap’s salary + bonus for the first year is $10.3 million, and you’d have to double that due to the tax. Thus Millsap’s cost to the team (should they match) in $20.6 million in the first season.

If I’m not mistaken, Utah is also already $4 million into the tax threshold, which means an additional $4 million in tax. That means if Millsap is matched the Jazz will be $14.3 million into the tax, thus paying $28.6 million. Can Millsap actually be afforded? And why was Okur extended?

by GMan83201 on Jul 11, 2009 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just a little correction
Millsap’s salary + bonus for the first year is $10.3 million, and you’d have to double that due to the tax.

No, his salary + bonus is about $11-12 million. The $10.3 million figure is the signing bonus and a portion of his salary that needs to get paid in the first week after the offer is signed. The yearly salary is about $6-8 million and the yearly cap hit is that figure plus a pro-rated portion of the $5.6 million signing bonus.

From the Oregonian:

The Trail Blazers four-year, $32 million offer to Utah power forward Paul Millsap is front-loaded with what is essentially a $10.3 million signing bonus that must be paid within the first seven days of the contract being approved, according to the player’s agent.

Tim Buckley of the Deseret News was the first to report the specifics of the Trail Blazers offer, which sheds some light on why a Blazers source initially termed the offer as “toxic.”

Utah has until Friday to match the offer.
If Utah doesn’t match, the Blazers will pay Millsap $6.2 million the first year, $6.2 million the second year, $6.7 million the third year and $7.2 million the fourth year. The deal comes with an up-front payment of a $5.6 million signing bonus and $4.7 million of the contract’s first year salary.

by ninjasocks on Jul 11, 2009 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

This one thread has made me like this site

and Jazz fans. You guys are alright. You’ve got all kinds of reasons to be bashing the Blazers for putting pressure on your team, but you aren’t. Its crazy, the Bull fans over one BaB are falling over themselves to slam Portland, its fans, and their own team.

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by Coconut Pete on Jul 11, 2009 7:35 PM MDT reply actions  

thanks, mate

we try to keep it copacetic up in here.

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by Shums on Jul 11, 2009 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's also the fact that if things were reversed

And Utah had done this to Portland, BEdge would be going nuts. And I’m admitting that as a Portland fan. Thanks for staying classy guys.

by GMan83201 on Jul 11, 2009 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well

it wasn’t like he wasn’t going to get any offers, so I suppose we all knew this was coming.

by Vromanite on Jul 11, 2009 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

True

In fact teams often wait for another one to make an offer if they are unsure what their FA is worth on the open market and not an absolutely indispensable player in order to not overpay. Like the Bucks now with Sessions. The Cavs two years ago with Varejao (not this time). The Rockets with Landry (offer by the Bobcats). The Hawks with Smith (offer by Memphis).

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 12, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jazz will match

Otherwise we will have no starting PF the next season when Boozer is gone. Millsap is the future at PF. He is KOC’s Gold Gem of the 2nd round. No way he lets him go… I can also assure you that keeping a good core around DWill is #1 priority. With Okur signed up we absolutely NEED Millsap! We will need our PF crashing the boards and playing solid defense in the paint. Millsap is a Utah Jazz! Money comes and goes but its not like players with his ability and heart are plentiful. He plays hard all game and is a fan favorite. He gives the Jazz fans reason to cheer them on….and in turn buy tickets to watch him live. He would probably make the Jazz a return on their investment. He is a class act and could possibly help Utah remain a Finals contender…..

Everything points to yes….match the offer. Millsap did his part by playing his butt off for Sloan and KOC and the Jazz fans. Now is the Jazz turn to reward him. Time to pony up.

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by Matt_Grbac on Jul 12, 2009 3:20 PM MDT reply actions  

There is talk

that the Jazz might have interest in Big Baby should they not match.

And ’Sap’s uncle isn’t so sure that they’ll match…

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 12, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I'd trust anything that comes from an agent or a player's representative right now

Anything they say publically will be used for bargaining, not for informing the public.

by ninjasocks on Jul 12, 2009 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Big Baby....

Didnt we just have him Opt In….?

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by Matt_Grbac on Jul 12, 2009 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe the Jazz

are preparing for the loss of their big baby by adding another one?

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 12, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I personally, would rather pay a guy a one or two year deal and see if he can resurrect his career in Utah.

Guys like Hakim Warrick, Chris Wilcox, or even Stromile Swift would be a preference of mine over big baby at the MLE.

The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.

by clarkpojo on Jul 12, 2009 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

actually Glen Davis did well in the playoffs

atleast against the Bulls

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by Matt_Grbac on Jul 12, 2009 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think his numbers were better

after KG went down (maybe he just needed more time?).
That said, I’d probably pass.

Warrick… that name is intriguing.
So is Wilcox, as a 1-year stop-gap or something.

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 12, 2009 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

good idea

Why don’t we keep Boozer and his one year deal and see if he can resurrect his career!

by sherbs on Jul 13, 2009 6:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Too much money

for a guy trying to resurrect his career.

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by UtesFan89 on Jul 13, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

And who bolts

“regardless” after next season.

by murderousmalone on Jul 13, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

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