Why the sad face, Jazz fans? The Jazz now have options
by clarkpojo on Jul 2, 2009 6:02 PM MDT
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Whether the Jazz take what is behind door number 2 or 3, or even 7, they have lots of options. And in the game of basketball business and "Let's Make a Deal," that is a good position to be in. In Kevin O'Connors own words "teams are really saying, 'We've got to rebuild,' or teams are saying, 'We're going to try and get to the top.' I don't see any teams staying status quo." And after Okur, Boozer and Korver all opted in, I think the scales have been tipped far towards being a team that needs to make it to the top. O' Connor is going to be hard at work figuring out how to do that, but he does have options now that we have very good players and expiring contracts. That is the best thing to have during these economic times. Financially, here is what the Jazz are looking at and what they could do.
THE EBENEZER SCROOGE APPROACH
As much money as the Jazz have tied up already to guaranteed contracts, they still could, hypothetically avoid the luxury tax or else only pay an extra one or two million dollars. The downside? They wouldn't be title contenders, most likely. And judging from O'Connor's above statement, I don't think that is really an option. Staying under the luxury tax would require the Jazz to either let Millsap go to another team or find a team under the salary cap to take Mehmet Okur or Carlos Boozer for free. Or else the Jazz could just lose Millsap and find a team to take Matt Harpring or Kyle Korver's contract for free. "Why would a team take Matt Harpring's contract for free", you ask? It would actually be a really smart move for a team like Memphis or OKC or even Toronto to make. For all the guff the Jazz get for being unable to attract big name free agents, those teams listed might be even worse destinations for a free agent. So what is the use of having cap space if people don't want to come to your team? So if one of those teams can stockpile expiring contracts, they can use them to trade for a very good player on a team who needs cap relief. So all of the sudden a player like Harpring or Korver is very valuable. Keep this in mind.
THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS/ BILL BELICHICK APPROACH-
Much like the Utah Jazz, the New England Patriots are a team that offer disciplined contracts and find the right players for their system. So what happens when someone gets a "me first" attitude and wants more money than they are worth? They get traded for a 2nd round pick and the Patriots do their homework to find a guy who can replace that production. So if the Jazz don't think they can afford to match Paul Millsap's offer he gets from another team, then they can find a cheap ($3-4 million/ year) replacement for Millsap and sign another minimum player and pay $3-6 million in luxury tax instead of $10-$15 they will pay for resigning Millsap. The Jazz could offer some good cash to players like Brandon Bass, Leon Powe, Hakim Warrick, or longshot Antonio McDyess and be nearly as good if not better. My prediction: This is a more plausible scenario. If Millsap gets an offer for more than $8 million a year, the Jazz may have to fold their hand. But as a backup plan, they may be able to find nice pieces. If the Jazz let Millsap walk, I think they make offers to Warrick, or else Channing Frye. It doesn't get me excited, but those are offers the Jazz tend to make. And as a side note to this comparison of the Patriots, I learned that for being over 50, Bill Belichick has a really hot girlfriend.
THE DADDY WARBUCKS APPROACH-
Daddy Warbucks is considered the wealthiest fictional character of all time and if the Jazz want to shoot for the stars this season, they may have to do their best Daddy Warbucks impression. The Good news, if the Jazz can spend the cash, they will only have to do it for one year with $22-35 coming off the books next season depending on who they do or don't trade. But make no mistake about it: if the Jazz are willing to spend for one more year, they could become serious contenders with one or two swift moves. People are talking about how they want to trade Okur or especially Boozer for a shooting guard to bolster the lineup, but the truth is that the Jazz can keep their bigs intact while still adding a big piece to the puzzle. It would probably be smarter for the Jazz to keep Boozer, Okur and Millsap down low and move some combination of CJ Miles, Matt Harpring and Kyle Korver for a $10-13 player. All the Jazz would have to find is a team who is not going to contend and who needs fast cap relief like Milwaukee did last week. For instance, Kevin O'Connor should put New Orleans' GM's phone number on speed dial. Here are some trade ideas in no particular order:
1. CJ Miles and Matt Harpring for Tyson Chandler- If the Hornets were willing to ship Chandler out for Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith and the rights to Devon Hardin, aka expiring contracts, then they would be glad to take Harpring's expiring deal and a reasonably priced Miles' contract in return for Chandler's $11 million. If the Bugs weren't excited about this trade, the Jazz could include Fesenko in the deal and make the money match almost dollar for dollar. Or else the Jazz could replace CJ Miles for Kyle Korver. It would give the Hornets cap relief and it would give the Jazz a frontcourt of Chandler, Okur, Boozer and Millsap. They would be able to match up well with the likes of the Lakers and Blazers.
2. Matt Harpring and Kyle Korver for Jason Richardson- Again, I think the Suns are going to trade good players for cap relief, so that they can re-sign and sign the players they would like to. I am not positive about Richardson's availability, but the Suns would get out from his contract and replace him with a good three point shooter. Richardson would give the Jazz a legitimate starter at the shooting guard position. He is athletic and shot 40% from the 3 point line each of the last two seasons while taking tons of them. And if we moved Brewer to the starting 3 position, we would have the greatest dunkers in the 2 and 3 position in the NBA. And that has to be worth something. This deal would have the Jazz bringing $2 million dollars back, and Richardson would cost $14 next year, but he would also be an expiring contract. In the very least, it would be a better move than trading for Richard Hamilton.
3. CJ Miles and Matt Harpring for Kirk Hinrich- I am not sure that Chicago would make this deal, but it would be a call O'Connor should make. Hinrich makes $9.5 million to be a backup in Chicago at either the point guard or shooting guard positions. If the Bulls were able to unload his contract, they may be able to make an offer and try to reconcile with Ben Gordon. At worst, they could save some long term money in order to pursue two big name stars next offseason. Hinrich would help the Jazz in a lot of areas. I would start him at shooting guard and move Brewer to small forward. Hinrich is small for a shooting guard, but he often guards the opposing teams best shooters and defends them well. He is an underrated defender in the league and he can shoot the ball. He also shot over 40% from the three point line last season. And in case of injury or Maynor not being good, he can play the backup point guard position. Did I mention that Kirk Hinrich's salary is descending? $9.5 million this year, $9 million the next and $8 million in his last season. Me likey.
4. CJ Miles, Harpring, and Fesenko for Kevin Martin- You don't think this trade is going to happen? Well, neither do I. But I am just throwing it out there in case, the Kings realize that newly drafted Tyreke Evans is a talented, ball-dominating shooting guard and not a point guard and they feel pressure to move Kevin Martin who gets disgruntled because he never touches the ball. It is a more realistic scenario than you realize. If the Kings shopped Martin, I would give them Boozer and Fesenko. I love Kevin Martin. I don't understand why the Kings drafted Evans and not Rubio. And if this scenario doesn't come to fruition, the Jazz can always wait until they get the #1 overall pick in the draft and trade it along with AK to Sacramento for Kevin Martin and their top 5 pick, since the Jazz won't want John Wall and the Kings will. You're laughing, but its going to happen. Call me Nostradamus.
5. Carlos Boozer for David West + Filler- I think this deal would take some serious sweet talking to convince the Hornets to make this trade, but they would have to consider it. I actually think that David West is similar to Carlos Boozer production wise and his contract is much, much sexier. West is scheduled to make on $9 million this next season, but the two years after that, he will make only $8.2 and $7.5 million respectively. In terms of the sexiness of contracts, David West's contract is like the Megan Fox of NBA contracts. Or the Hugh Jackman of NBA contracts depending on your persuasion. The Hornets would have to consider this deal because it allows them to be contenders this year and appease the fanbase, but also shed salary and appease the owners. The Hornets have to be focused on appeasing Chris Paul and this might give them a chance to quickly reload after next season. For the Jazz, they would get another future power forward and some future financial relief. Also, many Jazz fans don't hate David West. It would complcate things with Paul Millsap, but they could figure it out.
The Bottom line is this: The Jazz have several options to make this team better and if you believe Kevin O Connor, they will be doing what they can to make this team a title contender.
All comments are the opinion of the commenter and not necessarily that of SLC Dunk or SB Nation.
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Looking like we may be able to get Sap at the MLE....
Looks like OKC might be more interested in Lee than Millsap. It would be well worth one year of luxury tax if we could get him around 6-6.5M.
I love a Boozer and Miles for Corey Maggette and Ronny Turiaf trade. We would take back less salary, and I think Turiaf would be an excellent energy player off the bench. Maggette would give us a legitimate scorer, besides Deron, that can get to the line. This is what our team could look like….
Deron, Maynor, Price
Brewer, Korver
Maggette, AK, Harp
Millsap, AK, Turiaf
Okur, Turiaf, Koufos
KOC definitely will have a lot of options this summer and throughout the season.
by phillycheese80 on Jul 2, 2009 7:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I would wet my pants if that trade could happen.
I don’t think the Warriors would be super excited to give up Turiaf, but I don’t think they would mind parting with Maggette. And Maggette would be a guy who could carry the second team and get to the free throw line for us. I would bring Maggette off the bench and just let him do whatever he wants to to be honest. Go attack the basket, Corey.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 2, 2009 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That trade would be sweet
though Booze has 1 year on his contract, and Corey has more than that.
Look ahead, and you have huge contracts with Deron, AK & Maggette, plus potentially ‘Sap & Brewer (who’s due for an extension this off-season). Too many guards/wings in that mix, no? Though a Turiaf/’Sap combo would be sweet (provided ’Sap proves he can play as a starter for a full season).
Okur/’Sap/Turiaf/The Koof/Fesenko front court (Suton in the D-League)
Deron/Maynor/someone (PGs)
Brewer/Maggette/AK/Korver/Harpring (wings)
Would love to see Maggette/AK/Turiaf with the 2nd team.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 2, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maggette's contract isn't as bad as I thought it was.
He is only due 9 million this year and 10.5 in his last. He would be 4 years and $38 million. Rip Hamilton is 4 more years at $50 million. Maggette would be very good, if he could play for a good team, I think. Anything under $10 million is a bargain for almost anyone who can score 20 points a night, in my opinion.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 2, 2009 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact, I don't know why the Jazz haven't made more serious overtures to Maggette. He would be tremendous for our team.
Corey Maggette shot a free throw every 3.8 minutes he was on the floor last season. That is uncanny. Lebron James shot a free throw every 4.1 minutes of playing time. Andrei Kirilenko was the Jazz leader shooting a free throw every 5.9 minutes. That is a very big deal. A guy like Maggette would keep defenses under pressure. Our shooting guard doesn’t actually need to be a three point shooter, if he can create his own shot and get to the line. RIp Hamilton doesn’t really do any of those things. He shoots 36% from the 3, but only shoots one three point shot a game. And he shoots a free throw every 9 minutes he is on the floor. Think about that. Maggette shoots nearly 3 times as many free throws as RIp Hamilton. And he is cheaper. And he is a better rebounder.
In fact, Maggette just became my desired offseason acquisition. Even if he doesn’t stretch the defense, he is going to keep guys like Kobe, Artest, Roy, Manu Ginobili in foul trouble.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 2, 2009 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dwight Howard is the only player I could find that shoots more FT's per minute at 3.2.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 2, 2009 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great
now you’re getting my hopes up, even though I know they’ll be crushed and then rebuilt and smashed to smithereens by the Jazz.
Thanks for nothing.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 2, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Magette is a beast. W's will trade him for Boozer.
by crab dribble cocktail on Jul 6, 2009 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the Warrior fans would.
I had some fun getting their input.
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/7/4/938358/interested-in-boozer-for-maggette
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by clarkpojo on Jul 6, 2009 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it too.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 6, 2009 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
151 comments? Wow!
I’d jump on the Booze/Maggette+Wright idea
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 6, 2009 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well done.
That was fun to read. Who would have known Maggette is hated worse than Boozer? Lets pass on this trade.
by Frank5 on Jul 7, 2009 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there any way we can get randolph?
i really like him.
by moni on Jul 7, 2009 2:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is Golden State's most untouchable player probably, believe it or not.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 7, 2009 3:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe.
i’ve seen him play. he looks especially good against big men wearing jazz uniforms.
by moni on Jul 7, 2009 4:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but
Jarron Collins would look good in said situation as well.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 7, 2009 6:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like....
If Antonio McDyess signs elsewhere…Detroit would have no big man in the post to rebound. They would then be more convinced to trade for a Boozer that they like. I would love to have Rip at the 2 guard….move Brewer to SF.
I think I would almost rather have anyone halfway decent then put up with Boozers face for a whole year.
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by Matt_Grbac on Jul 2, 2009 8:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if you would love to have Rip Hamilton when he is 35 years old and making $13 million a year.
I love Richard Hamilton. The Pistons are my second favorite team and he fit perfect with their championship team, but I am very doubtful that he will be the right guy for the Jazz. He is a pesky defender. But offensively, he doesn’t shoot too many three pointers and only had one good season from the 3 and he doesn’t attack the basket as much as I would like. We would be taking on $50 million of contract with Rip. Very risky.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 2, 2009 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
4 years+ left on his contract
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 2, 2009 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Channing Frye
won’t happen.
The year the Jazz had the #6 pick (before trading it to Portland for #3 and therefore Deron), they tried to bring him in for a workout. He refused to come.
I’m not sure if he’s anti-Utah or what. But I don’t see him being an option.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 2, 2009 9:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Jazz don't resign Millsap
…they still won’t be signing any free agents. Not to go over the cap… you pay about $2.2 for every $1 on the contract after the luxury tax. That is why if a team like OK offers Millsap a contract, say 35mill for 6 years, they will front load the first year to about 10 mill and the Jazz won’t be able to match even that reasonable average.
Teams that have cap space won’t take on expiring contracts to use as trade chips, because they can just absorb salary in a trade. It would make no sense. Harpring would have to be traded with probably a future first round pick. Then the team would be basically buying that pick for Harprings contract. But at any rate, Harpring might just get bought out for about 3 mill and avoid the Jazz the tax.
I like all those trades because they are all completely one sided towards the Jazz. That’s why they won’t happen.
New Orleans is NOT sending Chandler to the Jazz for expiring contracts. They were hoping for immediate relief last year… they weren’t taking back a years contract. If they trade him it will be to a team that can absorb the contract and take back alot less salary.
by Frank5 on Jul 3, 2009 10:30 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually
the Jazz still need to add a couple of FAs to reach the required minimum set by the NBA.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 3, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A modest rebuttal...
Like Utesfan mentioned, the Jazz will HAVE to sign free agents whether or not they match Millsap. They will either need one or two free agents to make the league minimum requirement for roster spots. Where they get those free agents is debateable.
As for your argument about teams under the cap not wanting expiring contracts, here is some information I bet you didn’t know: If a team is below the cap, then their exceptions (MLE, League minimum, etc) are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a team from pretending to be under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their exceptions. You either have exceptions or cap space, you can’t have both. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. So it is actually a bad idea, to enter the season with too much cap space, because you will be penalized as if you used your cap space. So the two or three teams who will legitimately have cap space this offseason will need to acquire contracts this offseason. They can’t wait until the trade deadline to absorb free contracts. That is why salary dumps happen in the offseason. So it absolutely behooves a team to acquire expiring contracts in the offseason, so that when teams are firesaling good players for peanuts, they can be there to make the move.
As for the trades. Half of those trades would happen right now, if the Jazz wanted to make them. Guess who has the highest payroll in the league as of today. New Orleans. Guess who has the highest payroll in the league next season as of right now. New Orleans again. In fact, New Orleans has $64 million contracted to 8 players next season. So while I agree that they wanted salary relief this season last year, they still have the same needs. They would trade Chandler for our expiring contracts in about a split second.
The same is true for Phoenix who needs the extra money to definitely extend Nash next season and attract another big name, if they decide that Amare Stoudemire isn’t in their long term plans. They would hand RIchardson over to us for a pizza and some breath mints. One-sided deals happen all of the time and they are going to happen at a swifter rate as teams dump salary anyway they can. Do you think Jefferson for Oberto, Bowen and Thomas was fair? Me neither.
And please explain to me which of the teams that have capspace are going to go after Tyson Chandler. OKC has been there done that. Memphis just drafted Thabeet and have Gasol. And Detroit is using all there capspace on players that aren’t Chandler.
Sorry for the long windedness, but I obviously disagree with your disagreement to my post.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 3, 2009 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm... I shouldn't get in a disagreement with an english teacher....
I think I might be at a disadvantage. I like your posts by they way, nothing personal when I disagree with the trade scenarios.
I did know about the MLE exceptions and the cap space. I am trying to see the logic of your rebutal however. If you have the salary cap space you can take in a contract just as well as if you trade an expiring contract… pre or mid season. As far as cap consideration are concerned, you are right, you are “penalized” equally, but you can do the same as far as trades either way. So why pay the extra money? If you could add FA’s with your cap space then use a MLE for an expiring contract (for use on the fire sale) then, I guess it could make some sense, but like you pointed out, that is exactly what you can’t do.
The Chandler trade was to save two years of contract, now they can only save one… them dealing seems less likely. Not to mention last year they would be getting two rotation big men back…. not one shooting guard. Not to mention, I don’t think NO is trading with the Jazz since they will be competing for a bottom playoff spot.
For the same reason the Phoenix probably won’t trade with us, and vice versa. Plus, they need to win some games this year, or they have no shot of keeping Nash. They won’t trade Richardson for nothing. His name isn’t even coming up in rumors. I think if they were that desperate to dump salary they would have traded Amare for a high draft pick to Memphis or OK. Either of those teams would have taken that in a heart beat.
Hinrich is a possibility, but not for CJ and Harpring. Hinrich is actually a favorite of the owner. Not to mention he is their biggest trade asset right now. It would take getting a better deal to get him. I do think Boozer for Hinrich and Thomas could happen.
Lets not even talk about about trade scenario’s 4 & 5.
Just my opinions… But I think we all throw out trade scenarios that are very one-sided for the home team. Just look at other teams blogs, etc…. You look at them objectively and think these people are clinically delusional!
by Frank5 on Jul 4, 2009 1:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
MTN is the English teacher. But I was an English Major.
I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I apologize if I came on to strongly. I don’t rebutt to many disagrees, because often they bring up good points and I have to say, well, that is true. I liked all of your points about New Orleans and Phoenix. I think that the ownership and GMs of each of those teams are in a real tough situation. They know they are playing for the 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs and yet they have these big payrolls. So I am guessing that management would rather just dump some salaries, but fanbases turn on you when you do that. Go ask the Denver fans. They were pissed this time last season and look how that turned out. Sometimes GMs know what they are doing. I think most of my trade proposals are technically fair as far as what those teams want in return, but I imagine that New Orleans and Phoenix could get better deals and would both be more willing to work with a team they aren’t competing with. Those were very good points.
But I still stand by my expiring contracts argument and will try to explain better. Lets look at Oklahoma City for instance. They have roughly $40 million dollars in payroll. And lets say the cap is $56 million for math’s sake. Right now there are probably not a lot of teams who are trying to dump players. I might be wrong on that, but mostly teams dump before the deadline because many teams fell like they have a chance to compete. Memphis already took on Randolph’s twice as hefty contract in return for Richardson, but I digress. The Thunder need a big name shooting guard or Center. The Thunder can either spend their cap space on guys like David Lee or Paul Millsap or Ben Gordon, Marcin Gortat, etc. Or they could absorb some other unwanted contracts like expiring contracts from teams that don’t want to pay the tax this season. Then at the trade deadline, when a handful of teams aren’t as good as they hoped and they have lots of payroll, the Thunder can then trade their expiring contracts, some of which would be partially guaranteed, for the best players they can get. Players like Michael Redd, or Jason Richardson, Amare Stoudemire come to mind. So then the Thunder can go after different players rather than be limited to choosing from the free agent list every year. The Thunder would have the perfect mix of young players and expiring contracts to go after someone they think might be available on a cash-strapped team. But if the Thunder wait until the season starts and they haven’t used some of their cap space, then they are penalized and won’t be able to absorb contracts midseason. That decision needs to be made before the season starts. So why not just absorb some expiring contracts that teams don’t want like Matt Harpring, Larry Hughes, etc.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 4, 2009 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its true, I might be confused....
… but this is how I understand the salary cap. Any team can have cap space or exceptions, not both. So I team with a $40mill payroll (using your example) can right now sign a free agent up to $16 mill a year. Or they can make a trade with them taking on up to $16mill and giving back any amount. I don’t think this changes throughout the year. If I am wrong send me a link… I’m not finding different. So the same team can trade, latter in the year for a $16 mill salary and send the other team anything…. like a protected 2nd round draft choice in 2099. That makes it easier to trade later that year (as opposed to trading expiriin contracts), not harder, because then the teams dumping salary get cap relief for the current year. But, again, if I am wrong, send me a link.
Earlier this year I though a Harpring, Miles combo would be attractive as a trade, but now I don’t think the Jazz would do it. Harpring might retire, or be able to be bought at for about $3 mill, which would help the Jazz as much or more as anyone (since they need to drop just about 3 mill).
by Frank5 on Jul 4, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But let me add...
I agree… the Jazz do have some options. But everything probably revolves around trading Boozer.
by Frank5 on Jul 3, 2009 10:41 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
And you are right about Boozer being our best trade piece.
If I were Kevin O Connor, I would sign Chris WIlcox to a minimum type contract or make a small offer to Hakim Warrick and then trade Boozer to the Warriors for Corey Maggette and filler. But more on that later.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 4, 2009 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
AK for McGraddy
I read on Deseret News that Jazz engaged in trade talks with Rockets; AK for McGraddy. This is not going to give us any salary relief. McGraddy does have lesser years.
I don’t know why Boozer’s value isn’t going up? Its his contract year and we all know how players play in their contract year; especially people who expect a raise.
What happened to the hopeful Bosh for Boozer trade???
Des News: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705314842/Utah-Jazz-talked-Kirilenko-for-McGrady-trade.html
by iLoveBooks100per on Jul 5, 2009 8:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bosh for Boozer
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l2sx38
Bosh (we want him)
Markus Banks (Sloan loves veterian PGs though fans don’t) (3 yrs $4M)
for
Boozer (we don’t want him)
C. J. Miles (trade bait and we don’t want him)
Harpring (trade bait)
hmm…
by iLoveBooks100per on Jul 5, 2009 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Jazz fans would take a Bosh for Boozer trade
in a heartbeat. Toronto is holding fast on their stance he won’t be traded this year. By getting Hedo they are still trying to convince him to resign next year. Bosh is the face of the franchise…. they have to do what they can to keep him, or lose face with the fans. Just like if DWill was talking about leaving, we would go to the wire to keep him.
by Frank5 on Jul 5, 2009 11:02 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Doubt Sacramento does that trade very much (Kings fan here BTW)
In a trade for Kevin Martin, Kings GM Geoff Petrie would probably look for more than expiring contracts in return, unless his injury history became a lot worse, or if he wasn’t performing up to par anymore. The Kings have traded a few stars under Petrie:
1. Mitch Richmond (on the back end of his prime) and Otis Thorpe for Chris Webber in 1998.
Petrie took the highest trade chip the Kings had in Richmond and traded it for a promising young forward, who eventually became the Kings’ Franchise Star.
2. Chris Webber (after several knee injuries and surgery) for Brian Skinner, Kenny Thomas, and Corliss Williamson in 2005.
Webber was never the same after his knee surgery and it probably cost the Kings a couple more runs at a championship in 03 and 04. He also had a massive contract and the thinking was that trading for smaller contracts would be easier to get rid of. In the end this trade worked in advantage of Sacramento. Philadelphia didn’t get the Superstar Forward they thought they were getting (which Petrie knew) and ended up having to buy Webber out of his contract, and Sacramento was able to shed Skinner and Williamson’s contracts, and now has Kenny Thomas’s expiring contract to play with this year that could net us a nice piece from a team looking to save for 2010.
3. Peja Stojakovic for Ron Artest in 2006
At the time Peja was the Kings best player and actually in MVP contention (although not seriously, one of those guys that gets a few votes), and he was also set to be a free agent the following summer. Artest was the NBA’s pariah after the “Malice at the Palace”. But Artest came to Sacramento and made them better defensively while still providing near the same offense. Indiana ended up losing Peja after that half a season to New Orleans.
4. Mike Bibby for Anthony Johnson, Shelden Williams, Tyronn Lue, and Lorenzen Wright.
Now this was a financial move. The Kings did not receive anywhere near equal talent back in this trade. But they did rid themselves of Bibby’s contract since Johnson, Luee and Wright were all expiring contracts. The Kings also got a free test run of Shelden Williams, the #4 pick in the draft a few years back. It didn’t work out, so they dumped him in a trade for Rashad McCants’s expiring contract and now the Kings have a decent amount of cap room for both this summer and next. Meanwhile Bibby might leave the Hawks if another team ponies up the cash.
5. Ron Artest for Bobby Jackson, Donte Greene, and 2009 first round pick (ended up being #23 pick – Omri Casspi)
The Ron Artest trade was part salary dump, part value trade. When we traded Ron, we were officially in rebuild mode. We got one of the favorite Kings of all time (and his expiring contract) back, a promising young forward in Greene, and another promising young forward this year in Casspi. The Rockets got a star who carried them to Game 7 against the eventual champions before ditching them for said champions. The Rockets are now probably going into rebuild mode (unfortunate, due to Yao Ming’s injury), while the Kings have a lot of solid young talent stockpiled, that the Rockets could have definitely used.
Now to get to the point if your still reading, is that Kevin Martin is a different situation than any of those players. He has a salary that doesn’t hurt our cap, is a ridiculously efficient scorer, and is prone to injury due to his small frame. But he is the best trade chip the Kings have to acquire talent in return. And because of the size of his salary, and his age (he’s only 26, really young compared to the other stars we’ve traded) a cap dump doesn’t make sense. BUT, AK and John Wall for Kevin and whatever pick we get, I could definitely see that happening. Both teams would probably end up better out of it anyway, especially if we see that Evans is not a real point guard, although I think he’ll be better at it than people give him credit for.
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