Utah, Miami, Sacramento
by Aykis16 on Jul 25, 2009 5:08 PM MDT
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Hey Jazz fans, Aykis16 of Sactown Royalty here. We've been discussing Boozer trades a lot recently, especially since the Kings are one of the few teams with Cap space now that could act as a third wheel in a possible trade. Here's the best trade we've come up with as well as a breakdown.
Utah sends Carlos Boozer to Miami and Kyrylo Fesenko to Sacramento
Sacramento sends Andres Nocioni to Utah.
Miami sends Blount to Sac, Wright to Sac, 2010 1st round pick to Utah
Miami does this because it gives them Boozer.
Utah gets a rotation player in Nocioni, who can play the 3 or the 4, and the Jazz have been adamant they're not going to throw away Booz for just expiring, they want someone who can contribute. Noc can do that. This saves the Jazz 6 million in salary and another 6 million in luxury tax. Noc's contract also declines each year. They're is also the possibility of trading him by the deadline for expirings if he's not working out to Utah's expectations, or if they decide to save long term money. We're speculating that we're going to trade Nocioni sometime before the deadline because a contender could use them. Last year, a few teams tried to get him, including Boston but the Kings didn't bite. The Jazz also get a 1st round draft pick for next year (which could also be sent to Sac, although Utah would probably want it more), which could be anywhere from low to high 20s, depending on how much Boozer and possibly Odom help Miami.
Sacramento does this to change Nocioni's contract into expiring and to have a one year test run of Fesenko. I like Fesenko a lot, and his former agent is now the Asst. GM of the Kings so I know the Kings know about him, and he fulfills our roster requirements of being young, and we currently don't have a backup center. If I'm not mistaken Koufos is your guys backup center so Fes is your 3rd center and would only see limited minutes and be a free agent next year.
Let me know what you guys think of this trade. I think the Jazz need to trade Boozer now before his value gets any lower. Trading All-Stars is tricky. The Kings have done it a few times. We traded Mike Bibby to Atlanta for Tyronn Lue, Lorenzen Wright, Shelden Williams and a 2nd round pick. That was just to get rid of Bibby's contract. If we had traded him a year or two earlier, we might have gotten more out of it. So its good to be patient, but perhaps not too patient. I don't think Utah should start the season with Boozer (personal opinion). Do a trade when you've looked over your options, and have your new team gel before the season starts, and work through pre-season together so theres chemistry. Just some thoughts on your guys situation, from an outsider.
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Other than the Tyrus Thomas trade
this is my favorite suggestion yet. I like Nocioni’s offensive game and his commitment to defense. This deal would also leave open the possibility that AK will get the minutes as Millsap’s primary back up at the 4. I like it a lot. Thanks for sharing.
by Patrick517 on Jul 25, 2009 5:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i actually like this idea even better than the thomas one
although thomas is the more talented player, i think nocioni would fit in with jerry’s system (whereas i have doubts about thomas in this area)
by moni on Jul 25, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe iit's just wishful thinking,but...
Wade and Boozer are both injury prone. If this trade could happen, there is a good change that one or both of those guys could miss a lot of games, resulting in a much better pick.
by Bobby Joness on Jul 25, 2009 5:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
As I've said before, I really like Noc
I would definitely be in favor of that trade.
With Fess included in the trade, then that would mean the Jazz would have to sign another player to fill out the minimum 13 man roster. Maybe Big Baby Davis as some have speculated? Or, to save more money, sign Goran Suton to a small deal.
by Vromanite on Jul 25, 2009 8:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I like it!
Couple things I dont like….Nocioni turns 30 this year and his assist to turnover ratio is a mere 1/1…not good. He does have very nice qualities. He plays hard and he can shoot the three. He has a nice size for the 3. He is from the same country as Louis Scola and Manu Ginobili.
Boozer and Fes for Nocioni and a First round pick….hmmm. I dont know. I think Nocioni fits our team and system more than Tyrus, Lee, and any other PF for that matter. If KOC pulled that off I would be happy but also think maybe he could have gotten more. But getting rid of our team cancer is good enough. Plus saving cap money.
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by Matt_Grbac on Jul 25, 2009 8:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to give up Fes.
I'll make it coach.
by MTN on Jul 26, 2009 3:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
could we give up CJ instead? Especially if we’re adding Noc, who is also a wing?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 26, 2009 6:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kings would want Fes
in my opinion, mainly because they already have a glut of wings, Fes has an expiring contract if things don’t workout, and he’d be our backup center instead of your guys 3rd string center.
Also, you guys get a first round pick from the Knicks and the Heat next year. The Knicks pick is going to be a lottery pick in a draft filled with bigs.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 26, 2009 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am really surprised that SLCDunkers, are in favor of this. I guess most are just too excited to see something happen.
Nocioni is a nice piece and would play the role of a pesky defender for a contending team, but he isn’t really that good at many things. He shoots about 35% from the three point line and only 42% from the field in general. That isn’t a good percentage. He also has a decently high foul rate, similar to Millsap, but a little less than Matt Harpring’s hacking methods, but from what I have seen of Nocioni, which is quite a few games, because I am a nerd, he makes the type of fouls that just drive coaches and fans mad. Actually a lot like Matt Harpring. What you get in Nocioni, is basically a younger, Matt Harpring. I am serious. They are very comparable. He would be a nice 5th or 6th option, but nothing more. And we would be counting on him to be our 2nd or 3rd option.
He is super tough, but not very athletic or speedy. He would fit perfectly in Utah, if you mean that we need more guys who use their toughness and don’t have as much natural ability. But that’s just my opinion. Sorry to rant. I am just tired of Utah being type cast for people who like to foul a lot and be physical to change the game. Go compare Nocioni’s defense to a guy like Battier. One is a step ahead of his man. One just steps into his man.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 26, 2009 10:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you some what...
Did you also see his Assist to TO ratio….terrible. Nothing wrong with a healthy version of Harpring…I would love that over CJ Miles anyday. The Kings have a lot of nice young pieces that they would need to throw in for me to be 100% behind this trade. I would really rather have Francisco Garcia….he is pretty good. Ike Diogu is a beast in the paint when he actually plays but we would not really need him. Maybe McCants…..
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by Matt_Grbac on Jul 26, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diogu and McCants are now free agents
They’re not on the Kings team. You guys could go out and get them yourselves. Jazz wouldn’t want Garcia because his contract is BYC. Sort of ruins the whole cap space argument. Also, don’t expect the Kings to give up any young talent when they don’t have to. They’ll be giving up a vet and they’ll want young talent in return. I.E. Fes, who also happens to be an expiring contract in case things don’t work out.
The Kings are one of the few teams left now that can participate in a cap trade such as this. I believe its only Sacramento, Memphis, and OKC with enough cap space. Portland just got rid of theirs with Andre Miller.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 26, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a bad deal though.
If Jazz fans were insulted by getting Haslem in return, then this is worse, in my opinion. I would rather have Haslem. The Jazz aren’t dealing Boozer unless they can get a very good player back. Nocioni isn’t good enough for the Jazz to be worth the $22 million they would be taking on. And that Heat pick would be late 20’s and not very valuable.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 26, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But this gives us a 1st round pick.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 26, 2009 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though you are right
about it probably being in the 20s.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 26, 2009 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fesenko could end up being a defensive monster if given the minutes.
I want to see him actually get playing time before we trade him away……
I think Fesenko is more valuable then Nocioni…..we already have Harpring and AK who play a similar style.
The draft pick is not any good for us. We dont like playing rookies anyway. Plus we already get the Knicks 1st rounder and that will be a sweet pick.
We will give you CJ Miles for Nocioni…..deal…..or no deal…
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by Matt_Grbac on Jul 26, 2009 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would also love to see Fes, get some minutes.
I actually think, nothing would help him more than a little vote of confidence from the coaching staff. But instead, the coaching staff has moved for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valoran, I mean, Fesenko.
But I could see the twitters now. "Coach play me 25 minutes in game. Maybe Coach don’t hate me long time like thought, Loving ladies.
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by clarkpojo on Jul 26, 2009 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I love block shots, Dwight Howard has nothing on my, how do you say…skills. I will lay Dwight on his back if he wants play me. My defense is, uhhh, superior to all Centers. Kiss Kiss to Kirilenko’s wife.
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by Matt_Grbac on Jul 27, 2009 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are tons of slcdunkers great at stat, trade, draft, etc. analysis. all i’m going on is whether i think he he’d be a good fit, play tough defense, be team first. it’s like you said about harp. i’ve been a jazz fan for so long that that’s what i think a good jazz player is. i don’t even have any problems with harp in limited minutes.
by moni on Jul 26, 2009 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni is, like Boozer, a buy-low/sell-low candidate right now.
He put up the worst numbers of his career last year, but did see a slight bump after he was traded. The way I see it we’d be getting rid of our guy who was once an all-star for a serviceable player plus a first-round pick. At this point, I would be happy with that return for Boozer. Like you and Moni pointed out, he fits the system.
by Patrick517 on Jul 26, 2009 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this....
I am a big fan of Noc, he is a winner. But… he has had the year-round-basketball injuries that AK and alot of internationals have had.
Although, I am with MTN and UtesFan, I don’t want to lose Fes. Better to work in CJ in this trade… I like CJ., but if we pick up a wing, he becomes a 3mill bench war.
The tough sell is getting Miami to give up the first round pick.
by Frank5 on Jul 26, 2009 11:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Miami's getting Boozer and his bird rights out of this deal
and also telling Wade “Hey we’re making the team better, you should stay”. A first round pick that most likely will be in the 20s won’t be a tough sell. The people that this would be tough to sell to is the Jazz ownership. They have to think on whether Noc is a valuable enough piece to give up Boozer for.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 26, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do this deal but buyer beware of Nocioni. Creative proposal - you get a "rec"
As a Bulls fan following the Boozer saga this is a creative proposal. Pending how much you want to get rid of Boozer it could be a win-win-win. Utah gets some cap relief and a late first round pick. Sac gets rid of Nocioni’s contract. Miami gets Boozer for the reasons listed above. This hurts the Bulls because Miami gets Boozer but I think it is a good deal for the Jazz.
Do not do this thinking you are getting much in Nocioni. I’ve watched Nocioni his whole career. He is OK if you are down 15 and don’t know what to do. He can occasionally get hot and hit some threes. He also can take a charge which Jerry Sloan will like. He can also quickly take you out of a game. Too many turnovers, stupid fouls, and he is a chuckster who will not make the extra pass. I do not think he is as good as Harpring. I would do the deal for cap reasons and the late round pick. The Jazz are known to pick up gems late in the first round. Waiting for the February deadline is very risky business. By February some teams are saying if we wait two months we could get Boozer as a free agent next July without giving up anything.
by chgobr on Jul 27, 2009 5:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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