Blazers To Make An Offer To 'Sap
Darned if you do, darned if you don't.
If you do match, you have 'Sap at a contract he hasn't proven he deserves. If you don't, he's on a division rival and the fans want your head.
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well said
pretty much a no-win situation here. But I won’t/don’t blame the Jazz. No, the guy I blame… well, I won’t mention any names, but it starts with a C and ends with a arlos Boozer.
My feeling on the Millsap deal: if their offer is < $8M/yr, match. Otherwise let him go.
Uh, do you think you could draw me like a ninja?
by Shums on Jul 8, 2009 9:40 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Curious though. If he leaves, should the Jazz go after Bass or Lee, if they’ll come at around that price?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 8, 2009 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed as well
on the money and who’s to blame.
by moni on Jul 9, 2009 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere in Utah...
Carlos Boozer quietly goes into hiding
by runningdonut on Jul 8, 2009 10:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
As a Blazer fan, getting Millsap would be awesome. The team is angry about not getting Turkoglu, so I would expect a 5/48-50 type deal with a 17.5% signing bonus. Don’t think Utah can really match that.
Then Portland can either trade Przybilla and pieces for a point guard or have the deepest front line in the NBA.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 1:34 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
as much as i want to keep sap
and as much as i appreciate how he plays, i don’t want the jazz to pay that much for him.
by moni on Jul 9, 2009 2:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't be too sure
The way the Jazz front office has been talking, they may be willing to make the sacrifice and take the $10M hit in luxury tax, to ensure that they aren’t left at the end of next year with no power forward at all.
Also, other than the obvious fun of frakking over a division rival either by stealing their player or forcing them to pay too much for him… why do you want Millsap? He’s not gonna start over Aldridge or Oden, and he can’t really play center, certainly not better than Przybilla. I’m not sure what Portland fans are so giddy over.
I mean, if the Jazz match such an offer, they’re basically saying, “This is our PF for the foreseeable future, as we expect to trade Boozer/let him walk next year, so we can justify the expense.” In fact, the Jazz were ready to do that very thing this year, until Boozer complicated things (read: screwed us over) by opting in.
But the situation is different in Portland. You’ve already got your long-term starter at the 4 and 5 (and an excellent backup at the 5 as well). if you want to pay $10M/yr or more for five years for a backup power forward who’s going to play < 15 minutes a game, and you have to try to pay Roy and Aldridge and Oden and Fernandez and other players to keep them around in the meantime… well, good luck with that. Seriously, you’re going to pay Millsap more than any of those four? I doubt it.
Which means two years from now you’re gonna have five players taking up about 90% of your salary cap. Who does that remind you of? (Hint: it starts with a U and ends with a tah Jazz.)
Doesn’t make sense to me.
Uh, do you think you could draw me like a ninja?
by Shums on Jul 9, 2009 2:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
could it be
desperation-driven “we didn’t get hedo, we have to make a move” aka making a move for the sake of making a move?
by moni on Jul 9, 2009 3:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it’s acquiring an asset for the sake of acquiring an asset. It’s use-it or lose-it cap space, so Pritchard is trying to add the best young asset that he can for future use.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you lose it?
It’s cap space… won’t it still be there next season?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 9, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy and Aldridge will be extended, as well as Bayless, Batum, Fernandez, and Oden having escalating rookie deals.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
theoretically, the Blazers could create cap space that would amount to less than the MLE by dumping, Blake, Outlaw, and Przybilla. That makes no sense, though.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
that makes sense.
But then won’t they be over the cap next season (if they use their cap space this season, and then give extensions to everyone)?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 9, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we’re winning, Paul will pay the luxury tax.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I guess
but is winning like the Jazz last year (#8 seed) or is it more “home-court” or something?
Because the Jazz “won” last year, but I wouldn’t pay the luxury tax for the same team.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 9, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Allen could buy every other NBA owner. The Blazers are his toy… if he needs to fork over to win ballgames, he will. He’s already said publically that Pritchard has complete freedom to use the cap space on a long-term deal.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe it’s two-thirds of NBA owners combined… can’t remember the exact stat.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Jazz fans
Give us your 24 year old rebounding machines. Thanks.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 9, 2009 2:00 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Should the Jazz
maybe be trying to lure in Bass or Lee now? They know about Booze’s injury history, and know Booze will be gone after the season (if not before then). Maybe the Jazz can get them to agree to a deal which isn’t too big next season, but then shoots up in 2010 & 2011 or something?
Anything to avoid paying 14+ million this season (7 for the salary, 7 for the tax) this season. That said, the Jazz will probably match. They did the same with CJ last year. Not as high an amount, but definitely more than he’s worth.
sigh… long live the status quo!…
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 9, 2009 7:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Shums makes the most sense here,
but I can’t help but think how cool I will look with my new black and red Millsap jersey. I think they are my new favorite team. If you had an affair with the Lakers, it would be one crazy night followed by a great deal of remorse, sick feelings, several showers and resolve to never do it again. If you had an affair with the Blazers, it would dissolve your current marriage and lead to a new, lasting, lengthy fulfilling relationship, a new lease on life.
I'll make it coach.
by MTN on Jul 9, 2009 8:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
you’d be cheating on the Jazz with their ‘best friend’ (aka division rival). Pretty much anyone in the Western Conference is off-limits.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 9, 2009 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cars
“My best friend’s girlfriend… My best friend’s girlfriend…”
And being a Saints fan (see today’s downbeat) would be that ‘I can’t believe you did this to me’ feeling of J. Geils “My Angel is a Centerfold.”
I'll make it coach.
by MTN on Jul 9, 2009 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"My best friend's girlfriend"...
that makes it alright?
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 9, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing being underrated is the signing bonus. Allen will give Millsap 9+ million in cash at the time that he would sign the contract. This would mean that though Millsap would be technically counting 9 million against the salary cap, it would only be seven million per season in real dollars.
Seven million is a price that creates a very attractive trade asset.
There is talk in Portland that Przybilla will opt out. He’ll be 30, yet has high trade value (He led the league in RB%). This could be a move that is preparing for a Przybilla-less future.
The assumption here is that Millsap/Aldridge can be a somewhat effective frontline combination.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 9:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
and if the Jazz match, then we made a division rival pay their player more than they wanted. Sweet.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot one more angle to this news. If Millsap is going to cost the Jazz 16 million this season (adding in the signing bonus), then Boozer is probably better off moved… but for cap space, right? One of the few teams that has cap space is…. the Portland Traillblazers. Ric Bucher already talked about a Boozer-Hinrich-Blake deal, where Portland would get Hinrich for Blake and cap space. Tayshaun Prince? Portland could be trying to grab a veteran here by pushing Utah in 2009-2010 salary-tax hell.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this hypocritical of Portland?
Last year, they were going to sue anyone that signed Miles for the sake of sticking it to the Blazers cap-wise. Now they’re going to offer Millsap a large deal in part to hamper the Jazz?
by Basketball John on Jul 9, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
offering the large deal is for two reasons
(a) to free up Przybilla as a trade asset
(b) to free up Boozer as a trade asset for Blazer benefit.
Both of these scenarios help the Blazers, unlike the Memphis situation. They were doing it out of… stupidity or evil, I like to tell myself. :)
How is signing a player to a somewhat reasonable offer sheet the same as signing a player who was recommended medical retirement solely for the purpose of screwing with another team?
My personal theory is that Pritchard wants Millsap and is preparing to trade Przybilla.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I said in part
I know there’s a want for Millsap, but right now it seems to be to strong-arm get Utah to help facilitate a trade for Hinrich which would be huge for Portland.
But the prevailing feeling seems to be, at least from Blazer fans, if the Jazz match, they’re hit financially. That’s what Portland was crying about last season.
by Basketball John on Jul 9, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d actually argue that the Memphis move wasn’t a financial hit, but more of a salary cap hit… thus affecting the Blazer talent-level more than the checkbook.
Maybe it is strong arming, but in the end, offering a player a contract and exploiting a loophole in the CBA are two different things. Most Blazer fans were mad because the specific rule was put in place to prevent a team from waiving a player and signing them for a lesser cap hit. It was enacted for the Knicks and Allan Houston.
Hinrich would be HUGE for Portland.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he can take the backlash from fans
Then I would hope that Kevin O’Connor would tell Portland to make their offer to Millsap and let them have him at $10M. I don’t do anything to help them out by getting them someone like Hinrich.
I love Millsap, but not at the expense Portland getting better and the Jazz getting back nothing more than expiring deals or the rights to someone else.
by Basketball John on Jul 9, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we got Millsap, then we’d have Przybilla as a trade asset to get Hinrich/whoever anyway.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would the Pryz trade be to get Hinrich?
The way I see it working out, unfortunately, is that if the three way trade goes through, the Blazers get Hinrich and then get Bass anyway who doesn’t mind being a backup (regardless of what Millsap has supposedly said, he wants to start).
For competitive reasons, I don’t want the Jazz to help the Blazers in any way.
by Basketball John on Jul 9, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Millsap, he’s said that he’d be okay with being a backup. Why? He’s smart. Without Portland, he’s getting mid-level… so I’m sure he can stomach backing LMA up for a year.
Przybilla would be a piece in a deal for Gerald Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, or Kirk Hinrich in my opinion.
If Portland did grab Bass and Hinrich, that’s a very good offseason to be sure.
draft the stache
by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were rumors
(via DJ & PK’s twitter) that the Jazz/Bulls/Blazers are trying to get a 3-way with Hinrich, Boozer & no idea what to Utah. That I guess would be enough for them to get a solid offer out to ’Sap
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 9, 2009 10:17 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
probably Steve Blake. Jerry Sloan would love him. ’cept he shoots these new-fangled shots that are worth three points…
that is what I suspect is going on here.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if we can somehow get
cap space
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 9, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
because as much as Pritchard wants Millsap, I think Utah will match.
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by Cablinasian on Jul 9, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But I think going over 7 (maybe 8) mill for ’Sap is insane. Because as it is, if you offer 7 mill, the Jazz will be paying 14 for him.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 9, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is probably a trade looming for Portland
Something where they lose a big guy… that would free up enough minutes to justify Millsap’s contract. Remember it won’t be 9 mill a year, it will be front-loaded at 9 mill to keep Utah from matching, then probably about 5 mill a year after. At 9 mill, it would cost Utah about 20 mill next year to keep Millsap….. they won’t match that.
by Frank5 on Jul 9, 2009 11:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
They better not
match that.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 9, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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