Off-Season 2010: Better, or worse?

Okay Jazzarinos, it’s October and we’re already completely in love with our team again. We added a popular player from a previous season in Raja Bell. We’ve gotten rid of a productive player from last season in Carlos Boozer. There have been a number of changes from last season; those are just two of the bigger ones.
By my appraisal, some of our biggest problems over the last few seasons have been:
- Interior Defense
- Bench Stability
- Outside Shooting
- Health
How have the Jazz addressed these points? Let’s examine these in greater detail . . .
Interior Defense

This has been the big question since the Karl Malone / Antoine Carr / Greg Ostertag days for the Jazz. Part of the defensive philosophy over the years has been to play other teams in single coverage. This includes playing really good inside scorers in single coverage. For example, the Jazz defended guys like Tim Duncan, Shaquille O’Neal, and even Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in single coverage, for the most part. Why? The Jazz coaches did not want to fall prey to offenses swinging the ball around to an open guy. They would rather have a big man beat them one on one, rather than give a guard an open shot.
That makes sense, and has resulted in some series wins for Jerry Sloan these last twenty years. A great example of this was the year Jerry dared Shaq to win games by himself. He scored a lot on Ostertag and Jarron Collins . . . but the Jazz won the series in 4 games.
The last few years the Jazz have been defeated in the playoffs by one of the longest teams in recorded history. To make things worse, the Jazz have countered this length with the skilled line-up of 6’9 Carlos Boozer and 6’8 Paul Millsap. Millsap thrived in the playoffs, while Boozer shrank. We saw this on offense, for sure. But it was most noticeable on defense. The Jazz defensive schemes then had to change, and involve really poor double teams – that allowed a good ball sharing team like the Lakers to get a lot of open shots.
Utah does not look like they have changed their defensive scheme, so any actual improvement in interior defense will have to come from a) personnel changes and b) individual player improvement.
Carlos Boozer had all the potential in the world to be a great interior defender based on his agility and footwork. He was so mobile and quick on offense – but never did any of that stuff on defense. I wonder why? He was, though, under sized to guard really big guys. He hardly ever blocked shots. He was a monster on the defensive glass – but most of the time that was a rebound he got off of someone else on the team playing good defense making that guy miss. (Not Boozer making the guy miss) Boozer is gone now, and in his place, we have Paul Millsap. This is an obvious upgrade, despite the fact that ‘Sap is shorter. What he loses in size he makes up in heart though. Millsap does not get the respect from the refs, but perhaps that will change this year as he’ll be a starter.
Promoting Millsap leaves a hole at back-up power forward. That is, a hole unless you recognize that this ‘hole’ is going to be filled by Rookie Jeremy "Elevator Action" Evans and Boris Diaw Andrei Kirilenko. Evans is not going to be strong enough to keep someone like Bynum out of the paint, but he has the length, quickness, and hang time to get up there and send his shot back. Kirilenko spending more time at the four brings our best shot blocker closer to the paint than he was standing out 22 feet away. Is Evans/AK and upgrade in interior defense over Millsap? I don’t know – but we still HAVE Millsap, so at the very least, this is a wash.
Mehmet Okur is out, and we don’t know when he’ll be back. What’s worse is that when he is back we won’t know how good he’ll be. I think Memo is a good defender. He’s not going to get a ton of blocks, but he did average over a block a game last year. He’s working on his defense, and he is getting better. If he was good enough for us to win a series with him playing Yao Ming one on one in the paint, then he is good enough for us to challenge the Lakers in the playoffs. That said – the Lakers have been really lucky the last two seasons because he’s been injured by the time we got a chance to play them.
Because Memo is not there we’re going to be starting Al Jefferson. Jefferson is another guy who can block a shot, but isn’t going to be on an All-NBA teams. He’s going to play the center, and thankfully, there are very few good offensive centers in the league right now. (Dwight Howard has fewer post moves than I do) This way it’s a little incorrect to balance the defensive trade off of Boozer to Jefferson (at least not until Memo gets back). It’s more of a Boozer to Millsap *and* Memo to Al equation.
I think that Boozer and Al are both not so hot on defense. Al instead of Memo looks like a step back to me. That said, Millsap is going to check the better scorer each time down the court in a half court set. Of course, in the case where the Jazz have to face a team with two solid bigs (you know, like the Lakers), then we are in trouble.
Of course, we’re looking okay at back-up center with Francisco Elson and new and improved Level 3 Kyrylo Fesenko. (he picked up a new feat as well!) Fes is doing okay right now against smaller guys, the real test will be against the Clippers. That said, I do think that Elson and Fesenko are better than Fesenko and Koufos. Add into the equation that Fesenko is improved from last season as well. I think we’re better here.
Lastly, Memo will come back and will still be a solid man defender in the paint. He’s not going to be so hot defending the pick and roll – but not a lot of teams run a pick and roll for their center. (I actually don’t know, because I don’t have all my spread sheets to look at!) Over all, I think we did get better at interior defense on paper. (The wonders of losing Carlos Boozer – I wonder, were there any people out there who vehemently defended him? I don’t really remember any...)
What will remain to be seen would be if this plays out over the course of the season, though.
Bench stability

We had a really good bench in the Finals seasons. We had scoring from a number of areas, we had defenders, and we had a floor general. Over the last few seasons we’ve had some of that, but not all of it. Could this season be ‘that’ season for the Jazz?
We will have scorers off the bench this year – maybe not at the beginning of the season, but surely at the end. It will, of course, start with Okur. He was an All-Star, and having him school back ups (when he gets back on the court) will really make the Jazz versatile in the 2nd quarter of games. Next, would be that one of C.J. Miles or Raja Bell will also be coming off the bench. They both have solid three point shooting ability and know how to pass the ball in this system. The wildcard, obviously, isn’t going to be AK this season (like it usually is). This year off the bench it’s going to be the Fabled Knicks Pick: Gordon Hayward. He’s not making shots right now, which hurts his apparent production on the floor. That said, he’s a very solid shooter who can make plays. His Summer League play was not a fluke. Over the course of the season he’s going to only get more familiar with the system and his place within it. That’s three guys off the bench who are going to be able to play Jazz basketball and not hurt the team when on the court – who are all coming off the bench.
Defenders? Well, Evans, Memo and this Earl Watson guy are all capable of playing defense at the NBA level. They all have different talents – Evans is a rookie with crazy athleticism. That alone will get you 5 mins of burn. Memo is a former starter who has had to defend some of the best bigmen in the league before. Earl Watson is a journeyman guard who has been in the league for a while now. You don’t stay in the league unless you can stay in front of your man. Aside from those three, you also have Elson and Fesenko. It could be worse. And if Miles starts, then you have Bell off the bench as well.
Sounds good so far, but what about that floor general issue? Howard Eisley was a floor general. Do we have a Howard Eisley on this team? The easy answer is no. The hard answer is maybe. The science fiction angle is yes (if you put them all together into one guard). The real answer is somewhere in between all three of those. Our bench is only going to be as good as the leader of the bench. I think our bench is better, but this is another thing that we’ll have to see in game.
Outside Shooting

As an aside, have you watched a lot of non-Jazz games? Some of these teams are just crazy for the three point shot. If Jerry coached those teams he would be in jail for murdering some of his players. This year we’re going to be without Kyle Korver and without Wesley Matthews. Both guys could hit from deep. We will miss both guys this year. However, Miles suggests that he can hit from deep at a close to 40% rate this year. I want to see that. We also have Raja Bell, Hayward (who showed in the Summer League that he has NBA range), and some of the usual suspects (like Deron Williams, Andrei Kirilenko, and crew). I think we’ll be okay from deep this year, and perhaps have to spread the wealth around a little bit. This makes the Jazz team less predictable to defend though, so that’s not bad.
Oh yeah, and later on in the season we’ll have Memo back as well. He’s really good at threes, unless you forgot.
Health
This issue gives us more trouble yearly than evil schedule makers or the Lakers do. I have a unique perspective on this issue as someone who is, for a lack of a better term, looking at sports medicine injuries daily. At risk of jinxing the team all I will say is that: Oklahoma City was one of the more uninjured teams last year. I wonder how good we’d be if we were that healthy.
Better or worse? We shall see over the next few months.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Oct 13, 2010 10:19 PM MDT reply actions
looks like talking about the Jazz <<<<<<<<<
talking about people who talk about the Jazz
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Oct 13, 2010 11:11 PM MDT reply actions
cool picture of the big dog , ruff, playing some d, your argument is that because of the loss of boozer we’re automatically better at d, haha, i guess that’sright i’ve lost belief this team can play d.
well . . . it's a combination of
players and player development.
Starting PF: Sap > Booz
Back up PF: AK+Evans = Sap
Starting C: JeffFes
Mop up: Fes+Elson>Koof+Collins
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Oct 13, 2010 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I mean
Starting C: Jeff < Memo
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Oct 13, 2010 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions
The big difference with our team defense will be that, based on this lineup, Jefferson will not play defense with Memo. This was the problem with Boozer and Memo.
Boozer+Memo<Poop
Boozer/Memo with strong defensive partner=different story
Just having Millsap start should vastly improve our defense, as he will help (or at worse not amplify) his partner’s weaknesses. Even if Boozer, Jefferson, and Memo were all the same level defensively, changing the lineup should make any of them more effective on the defensive end. Unless Memo and Jefferson both come off the bench :)
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From defensive stand point...
Millsap wouldn’t change interior defense by much. Don’t forget he is undersized. The bigs would need to pull their own weight and preferably have AK-47 help them out.
lets c if jeff<memo, 2 different styles of players on offense, but talking defense, havent’ payed attention to jefferson defense, except i remember watching him come up with some big d plays before, as for memo, when he is out there hustling on d, that is one of the sparkplugs for a strong team, as long as the center isn’t a liability on d, it should be our strength on d, but it has been the weakest position for defense.
I think we may have gotten healthier.
Raja has been a healthy dude as far as I know and I am thinking Al’s knee issue was a freak incident. Regardless we don’t have Boozer to weigh tha tinjury bug down.
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by bucimislover on Oct 14, 2010 1:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah . . .
I was going to point this out
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Oct 14, 2010 1:35 AM MDT up reply actions
but that's a rarity in his career,
or am I totally reading the fact that he’s played over 63+ games ine very season other than last year wrong?
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That has been a rarity in my life. I’m sure it will never happen again.
There's a difference between chronic, repeated injuries
And a freak injury. A broken non-shooting hand is a freak injury. The odds of it happening again are about the same as the odds of Deron breaking his collarbone. David Robinson missed almost an entire season for an injury. Did that mean he was injury riddled? Not even remotely. The odds of Raja missing the entire season again, or even a bunch of games is pretty slim compared to other players.
Knee injuries are often chronic—because they get pounded on again and again. Ankle injuries can be chronic (see Grant Hill).
AK’s broken bone in 2004 was a freak injury. The odds of it happening again are the same as it happening to anyone else. But the muscle spasms, pulls, strains, etc. that he’s had the past 5 years are the kind of thing that is a chronic problem. Expect AK to miss about 15 games again this year. Hope it’s as low as 5. Pray it’s not in the 20’s (thats the range of missed games he’s had due to these chronic kind of health issues).
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Raja also didn't really like the teams he was on
Which could well contribute to his not wanting to make a speedy recovery
by Clintonite33 on Oct 14, 2010 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
He was willing and could have played through the injury in Charlotte, but didn't want to in GS. This is fact. I asked him about it here in Charlotte. I mean, I sent some letters to his house.
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Jerry's about defense and the only player who didn't follow his vision is finally gone
Without Booze Jazz defense improves x100.
It’s like one rotten apple will ruin the whole bunch. His lack of D is devastating to any team moral. You get tired of seeing him not play D and get sick of covering for his miscues. This only leads to team conflict in the locker room.
We got some good players this year.
Raja Bell will set the example and Al Jefferson will be excited and invigorated to be playing with a winning team. AK and Millsap will always be solid defenders. The only player I miss is Brewer. I thought he was a very athletic, hustle type defender/player who was faithful with his role.
With AK playing the PF position, he becomes an effective interior defender. He can contest more close range shots around the basket with his weak side help defense than he was a SF.
In agreement
I like your point about Boozer’s negative impact on the Jazz due to his lack of effort defensively (rebounds and steals-picking up balls from the floor- were two areas where he was decent). His offensive strength was negated by defensive non-shows.
Also, I like your point about AK being the best interior defensive presence at PF spot. Millsap is undersized and with all due respect he is not at the same level as AK. Understandably though, Millsap is a valuable player and the only position he is capable of playing is PF, while AK can be the plug that he has been for the last 4 years.
Millsap may be undersized, but Sloan thought he was capable enough to play center.
When Boozer and Millsap were on the floor together, Paul played center. It didn’t matter that Boozer was taller. Millsap’s size does not cripple his ability to be a really good defender. He may have been smaller, but he still played well against the lakers. PF is not the only position he is capable at playing. Like every other NBA player, there is a position he is better at. Being really good at one position doesn’t mean he can’t succeed anywhere else.
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Bynum scored on Millsap with ease
I love Paul to the death, but after a while, size begins to matter again. This is why the development of a Tomic or Fesenko or something is necessary. Few NBA teams win w/o a 7’ guy in the rotation.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Oct 14, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Millsap played good defense against Andrew Bynum. Maybe against the Lakers we have to play Okur and Jefferson starting and Millsap off the bench.
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Al kept us from being a lottery team
But we’re not any better. With Memo’s injury, we’re probably a lot worse than last year.
We don’t have a quality shooting guard. Same as last year. Raja doesn’t count, and OMSW didn’t either.
Al MIGHT be better. Diaw (or whoever they end up trading AK for) is certainly not better than AK. Evans is just a placeholder—Korver is a much player TODAY than Evans. Fess/Elson/Memo could end up being a train wreck at C this year.
Bottom line: as interesting as the offseason was, we ended up the same or worse. We have a 0% chance of beating the Lakers in the playoffs.
Are you for reals? This seems sarcastic and fake, but I'm not sure.
But if you are serious, I don’t understand. i don’t even know where to start, but I guess if you don’t have Kobe Bryant or if you can’t beat the Lakers in the playoffs, then there is no point in playing the season.
Why don’t they just let the Heat, Magic, Lakers, Thunder, and Boston play and let everyone else sit this one out.
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by clarkpojo on Oct 14, 2010 4:46 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
No No No
We will be a better team this season.
Again Loozer, I mean Boozer is gone. That already elevates the team to unseen heights.
Trust me here.
Korver is a better shooter than Evans. That’s about it. Besides Korver can’t strive in the Jazz system so it’s no benefit for the Jazz to hold onto him. It’s a gripe I have about Jerry Sloan’s system. (Jerry, if a player can shoot the lights out, use him.) Korver will have more freedom in Chicago and be prolific there.
Evans might be just a placeholder but the energy and excitement he brings is tremendous to the team. Now that guy can rebound (offensive rebound) and probably play better defense than Korver.
I’m completely with you on the shooting guard issue. The Jazz are desperate for a solid SG.
Not so much with the center issue. Hey, the Jazz at least have bodies to bang around. Big bodies are a premium in the NBA.
My Bottom line: Jazz win 5 more games than last season.
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Here’s what I think about the team 2011 vs. team 2010:
Millsap > Boozer (I expect Millsap will provide slightly less scoring, about the same rebounding quality, but much better defense, hustle, and intangibles)
Al > Memo (last year’s version at least – people forget that Memo didn’t have a very impressive season until about March)
AK = AK
Raja > Wesley (again, this is the Memo principle. Wesley was much more impressive at the end of the season than at the beginning. I expect Raja to be that good the entire season)
Deron = Deron
CJ > CJ (We hope, anyway. So far I think he’s shown a lot more Smart CJ than Dumb CJ. But it’s hard to tell just from radio.)
Fes > Fes
Evans, Gordon, Price/Watson < bench Millsap, Korver/Ronnie B., Price (but just barely. Korver didn’t play until December. Ronnie B. didn’t have a very good season. So Gordon and Evans have a little time to grow without any loss of production compared to what we got from the guys last year.)
And most importantly,
Chemistry 2011 >> Chemistry 2010
And I don’t get the whining about our starting shooting guards. The last thing in the world this team is desperate for is more scoring (since that what “quality” seems to mean). This team could average 110 per game. They’re going to shoot a very high FG%. Interior defense, transition defense, turnovers, and free throw shooting are the major bugaboos we have to worry about.
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Chemistry is key
When all the guys on the team see 100% effort, they are more calm and focused on the task. However, when the whole team sees that Boozer just doesn’t care to contribute defensively (boxing out his cover to prepare for a rebound, while someone drives right by him for a layup) the frustration builds and the mood is not good.
The Jazz will benefit, I hope, by getting a younger and more humble player in Al. As long as Al is trying hard, the chemistry will be good and the results will show. Free flowing, unselfish Jazz basketball is the thing of beauty.
Raja
Is a career 41% 3-shooter.
Fes is loads better than he ever has been.
Elson is better than Collins ever was.
Big Al will own the “pie-aint.”
Don’t fret. They are better by far this year than last.
by Clintonite33 on Oct 14, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
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I think the Jazz will be better. Jefferson seems motivated to play D and he is just plain a bigger player than Boozer. That helps. Evans could provide problems, at least he will frustrate opponents.
Once Okur comes back, our bench will be better, Watson is an improvement, by seasons end Hayward will be overall better than Korver.
I also don’t think it will take 2 months for the team to build chemistry this year.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Oct 14, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Transition Defense
Is a big hole in the Jazz’s overall game. I think adding Elson can help this, if he is able to stay healthy.
I voted for Interior Defense
Although I think interior defense could easily be a wash, based on similar height/length. The wildcard is definitely the hope that improvement in desire/attitude/hustle/heart of our interior defenders translates into better performance. Basically it’s how the dynamics change with Al replacing Carlos.
I think we got worse/stayed the same in all other areas mentioned:
Bench Stability: Basically we moved AK/Millsap into the starting lineup, who were once the strength of our bench.
Outside Shooting: Korver, Okur, and Matthews had the three best 3P%‘s last year, and are now gone or injured.
Health: Bell and Jefferson have missed significant amounts of games in recent years, but they don’t seem likely to be repeated. However unlikely they are to be repeated, Boozer missed 4 games (albeit at important times) and Matthews missed none. This could just be a wash, because we still have Memo and AK.
I guess all this discussion goes to show that we still have to play the game, only time will tell!
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I don't think I've have ever had this much anticipation for a Jazz season.
Seriously, I don’t remember paying this much attention during preseason. I mean, I’m listening to David Locke and watching the animated basketball thingy on the espn gamecast until 1:00 in the morning for these pre-season games, (ah yes, those west coast games that don’t start until 10:00pm eastern time. Sleep is so overated!) In the middle of NFL season no less.
I think I am really interested in seeing if they improve on D. I know its one game, but Raja just shut down Roy during the first half of the Jazz’s first game, and overall It just seems that teams are having a harder time finding easy buckets than they have in the past. There is always that disclaimer that its pre-season, but its an encouraging sign.
Raja is an upgrade defensively at SG
I really hope that he lives up to my expectations. I expect him to shut down opposing shooting guards and hit jumpers consistently, including timely 3 pointers. Now we have strong defenders at 3 positions (Raja, AK, Millsap) with another potentially good defender in CJ Miles, who looked quite good vs. Melo last year. If Jefferson only tries to play D and Fesenko continues to learn how to stay out of foul trouble and move his feet the Jazz will do fine at #5 as well.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Oct 14, 2010 10:19 AM MDT reply actions
We are better this year because of chemistry!
Al knows he is known for his lack of D he’s owned up to it. This guy has said that he is committed to improving that aspect of his game, he wants to retire a Jazzman. Thats not just talk. When he was in highschool he told everyone he was going straight to the NBA, well, here we are. To me this guy has integrity, heart and honesty, if he says he gonna do sumthin’ imma believe him. the fact that he has had almost 2 blocks per game is an absolute upgrade over boozer. Lets not just look at stats guys and look at the commitment of each player to this team!
by UtonganKidInCali on Oct 14, 2010 12:11 PM MDT reply actions
Fun read, but just one question
When did the Jazz ever win a playoff series against one of Shaq’s teams with Ostertag and Collins?
They beat the Lakers 4-0 in ‘98 but Collins was not on that team. He didn’t join the club until 2001.
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by Dr. Dunkenstein on Oct 14, 2010 2:26 PM MDT reply actions
great point!
guess i “misremebered” that point. great memory Dr. D!
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