The TRUE Jazz Preview
I've been working on this post for a week. I wanted to do a preview of the team, and I wanted to do it right — to go through all the players and write about who they can become.
It's nice to finally have it done. All 5,000 words.
The premises
A month ago, I wrote a piece about pre-season Power Rankings. I never got around to posting it. But here's what I predicted we'd read a lot about with the Jazz (and yes, I really did write this a month ago):
#11: Utah Jazz. — Yawn. Al for Boozer. Raja for Wesley Matthews. Same team, different flavor. 50 wins, 6-8 seed, first or second round playoff exit.
Pretty much sums up the sentiment on the "expert" blogosphere, no?
The main problem with all these previews is the "experts" seriously follow only 3-5 teams. The "experts" have no idea what is going on at the Jazz training camp and preseason games. They have no idea how well Al is fitting in so far (not perfect, but better than I expected this early). They have no idea what Fesenko has become. They have no idea that defense suddenly appears to be a strength. They have no idea what they are talking about (remember that when you read previews of, say, the Bucks or the Bobcats—they are likely to be as inaccurate and absurd as the previews for the Jazz).
So I'm going to do a Jazz preview here. And I'm going to do it right. I'm going to write what the "experts" would be saying IF they knew what was going on with the Jazz.
I'm also going to do this preview in a different way: as if all the experts and all the fans could suddenly pull their heads out of the toilet and remember that the stats don't matter, the box scores don't matter, that scoring champs don't matter—the only thing that matters is how much does a guy help his team win.
So I'm going to talk about Jazzmen making runs for awards that they will never compete for in the real world. I'm going to talk about All-Star seasons for guys with no chance at making the All-Star team. I'm going to talk about intangibles as if they are as important as talent, about defense as if it is as important as offense, about deflections and disruptions and tough D that forces bad shots as if it is as important as highlight-reel steals and blocks, I'm going to talk about guys helping the team by NOT scoring 25 a game, even though they could.
I'm also not going to predict. Anyone who claims to be able to predict how the Western Conference will end up is full of it. The teams are so good and so close that a minor injury, a couple bad bounces, a crazy scheduling quirk could mean the difference between a #2 seed and a #7.
Instead I'm going to talk about this team's ceiling. About how could they can become if they come together the right way. I'm not going to say Deron will win the MVP. But I am going to suggest that we watch what could be an epic run for it (except, of course, that he won't make a serious run because the Jazz have too many quality scorers for him to score 25 a game—even though he could—remember, I'm writing from an ideal world where voters actually see through such nonsense and realize if a guy makes his team better by scoring only 17, then by golly that is more impressive than a guy scoring 30 while his teammates stand around and slowly regress)
Anyway, here's what to look forward to this year:
1. Deron Williams' run for the MVP
Deron is the rarest of superstars. He currently has a single peer, and that peer is on his last few hurrahs. Aside from that peer, Deron can do what no other superstar can do. LeBron can't do it. Wade can't. Kobe? Utterly preposterous and laughable. Rose? Roy? Melo? Nope, nope, and nope. Not Dirk, not Chris Paul.
Deron can dominate a game without also always having the ball in his hands.
Among current players, only Tim Duncan can compare.
And if the Jazz — the team, you know that collection of 12 guys who are all working together to win every game they can — if the Jazz reach their potential, it will be because Deron perfected dominating the game without dominating the ball. In fact, since the Jazz ceiling is a championship this year, Deron's ability to do this could be the single most important skill in the entire NBA.
So besides not needing the ball in his hands at all times, what else will we get from our team leader?
Brilliant play at PG, huge threes, unstoppable drives to the baskets, ridiculous passes, unfathomable fast breaks, an ache to win, a hunger to take over when things get tough, a drive to tell his teammates that he'll take care of them. A fun player to play with, a great guy to hang out with, a guy who trusts and respects his coach, who trusts and respects his teammates, and a guy who does all the little things to make the guys click, on and off the court.
And one of the most underrated things about Deron is his drive to improve his game. Since his rookie season he's become better at: driving to the basket, shooting 3's, leading fast breaks, rebounding, and free throw shooting. He's become better at trusting his teammates.
There is, of course, still more to work on. He could cut down the turnovers, he could pay attention when guarding backup PG's (please no more career highs from the Ty Lawsons of the world), he could concentrate more when shooting free throws.
But I think he'll address some of these. Because last year I would have added "trust teammates more" and "rebound better" on the list of things to work on—and they were addressed. Deron doesn't just sit and say he's good enough, no more work to do. He'll be better this year. Bank it.
And when he improves, when he still gives us all the dazzling play we know we'll get, when he lets his teammates do their thing, when he keeps his hands off the ball so their skills develop rather than atrophy — well, if his stats go slightly down this year at the same time the team takes off to the elite ranks — then you should be able to carve his name on the MVP. Because the list of guys who could do that is very, very small.
2. Four guys earning All-Star nods
Deron. Big Al. AK-47. Paul Millsap.
Once upon a time the best teams always had gaggles of all-star talent. 80's Lakers had Magic, Kareem, Worthy, McAdoo, Wilkes. 80's Celtics had Bird, Parish, McHale, DJ, Ainge, Walton.
But times have changed. The elite teams today have 1 or 2. Sometimes 3 (Like the 2007 Spurs—as an aside, that Manu Ginobli has only made on all-star team, and was snubbed in 07 and 08 remains one of the most obscene all-star injustices ever. I could go on, but I won't. I just want it said).
Yet the Jazz have 4 guys primed for All-Star runs. I've already gone over Deron, so let's start with the best of the bunch, the guy who should be a shoo-in, the second best guy on the team, the guy who doesn't have much of anything he needs to improve ...
Andrei Kirilenko
Ha. I know it's not who you expected. And in the real world there's no way AK makes an All-Star team. But this is a fantasyland preview, in which people ignore the PPG stat and care about the correct thing: how much does a guy help his team win?
Here's one of my favorite excerpts of Bill Simmons' Book of Basketball. It's about Bill Russell:
Whereas Wilt famously swatted shots like volleyball spikes for dramatic effect, Russell deflected blocks to teammates for instant fast breaks; not only did those blocks result in four-point swings, but Auerbach's Celtics were built on those four point swings. That's how they went on scoring spurts, that's why they kept winning and winning—they had the perfect center to launch fast breaks and the perfect supporting cast to execute them.
You just read exactly why the Jazz were so good last year after reinserting AK into the starting lineup. Perfect defender to get steals and blocks, the perfect PG to lead fast breaks, and the perfect supporting cast to run and finish the breaks. Seriously, think about the impact AK has: as Amar pointed out, AK had 2.6 blocks/steals per every foul this preseason (and Zeus knows how many deflections). Amar showed a while ago how AK's defense relates to the all-time great: Scottie Pippen. And now go watch Moni's AK video and notice how many blocks and steals end up in Jazzmen hands and launch immediate fast breaks.
When I made my Deron Williams video and watched all those Jazz games and highlighs again, nothing stood out as much as the fast breaks initiated by deflections, steals, and blocks. Or just plain disruptions, as I like to call them. And nobody on the Jazz—perhaps ever—is more disruptive on defense than Andrei Kirilenko. And nothing kicks the Jazz offense into fifth gear like disruptions.
No, AK will probably not score 20 per game. But he may score 14-16. He will do so at a ridiculously effective rate. He will get to the free throw line a lot. His effective FG% will be close to 60%. He'll rebound, pass with aplomb (I loved how he seemed to intentionally make awesome passes to Fes, just so Fes could shine this preseason), set screens and make Sloans offense just plain work (notice how much better the offense runs when AK's in—yes the offense runs through AK, it runs wonderfully through AK); he'll defend, block, steal, disrupt, and bring about more team success than any Jazzman not named Deron.
Watch for it, and enjoy. Outside of Deron, nobody's more prepped to be as awesome this year as Andrei Kirilenko.
And in a perfect world, he'd be an obvious all-star. He'd be picked before Brandon Roy and before Melo, before all the guys taking a gajillion shots and thus scoring a gajillion points. Because the number of guys who have bigger impact on their team's success is very, very small.
And, like Deron, one of AK's greatest skills is to dominate games without dominating the ball. He lets and helps the other guys shine.
Al Jefferson
In the real world he's the most likely to get an All-Star nod with Deron. He plays at a weaker position (Yao will start, because while 2 billion Chinese can be wrong, they can't be outvoted—but there's nobody else in the center spot that is close to a shoo-in). And, of course most importantly to the casual fan and "expert", Al will probably score most. Or end up about the same as Deron.
But there's a lot to get excited about besides his scoring. His defense has proved to be much, much better than advertised. As has his free throw shooting. He can pass really well. He can block shots, he can rebound. He has a great attitude, gets along with his teammates well, etc., etc., etc.
But I want to see something more.
In the few games I've seen, I've been able to predict within a nanosecond whether Al is going to look to assist someone else or look for his own shot. It's as if he makes up his mind while crossing midcourt "this time I'm going to look for MIllsap" and then follows through, regardless of what choice actually makes sense once the defense does its thing. The results are (a) Millsap less involved in the offense than he ought to be, (b) some questionable shot selection from Al, and (c) a lower FG% than Al should have, given his footwork and distance from the hoop.
Ah, the black hole accusation. Sadly, it has thus far been somewhat true.
But there are signs for hope: mostly that when Al makes up his mind to pass, he actually does it rather well. So it's not that he doesn't have the ability, it's that he's not reading the defense and recognizing when the pass makes sense. And he's probably still getting used to Millsap's ability to catch pretty much anything thrown his general direction.
Plus, we've all seen the fruits of Al's willingness to work on his game and follow his coach's admonition. Better defense? Check. Better free throw shooting? Check. Better passing? Check.
So now, just learn to remember the spots and routes your teammates will run in the sets, read the defense, and react to what the defense and sets give you.
Then you'll go from being an important cog to becoming an invaluable one.
Paul Millsap
Just hang in there. I predicted an All-Star run once Boozer was gone. My thinking was simple: Zach Randolph was an All-Star last year. Would all the coaches in the league stand up if you would rather have Millsap than Randolph on your team?
No, all 30 probably wouldn't stand up. Vinny Del Negro can't figure out how to push the footrest in from his recliner, so we can't put too much stock in that. But do you know who stood immediately? Sloan, Popovich, Larry Brown, Phil Jackson, and Pat Riley (he forgot he's not the coach again quite yet).
If those kind of coaches know what it takes to win, and if they would prefer Millsap to Randolph, then doesn't it follow that Millsap actually helps his teams win more than Randolph—regardless of how many shots and points he racks up?
And in my dream world, that is what matters. How much does a guy help his team succeed?
So MIllsap, finally given a bigger role and made a primary post scorer, makes an All-Star run. I could easily envision 18 points and 10-12 rebounds per game.
But that was BBA — Before Big Al.
We've all seen enough to know that Sap hasn't exactly had a huge role in the preseason. We've all seen that the Sap/Al frontcourt dynamic has not hit its stride yet.
So we're all waiting for it to click. A lot of the onus is on Al, to recognize when the defense makes a pass to MIllsap preferable to a shot from Al. But some of it is also on AK and Deron, to go out of their way to get Millsap involved, and a lot is on Millsap, to still play with the energy and blue collar ethic that earned him the starting spot.
I believe that Al recognize and make passes more as the season goes on. I also expect defenses to adjust to Al's presence and leave Millsap open more often as the season progresses. I expect Millsap to start off with diminished stats, but I also expect them to steadily increase as the season goes on. In the end, I think 16 points and 8-10 rebounds, along with solid defense (the the front line of AK-Sap-Al has been actually quite good defensively), a block or two per game, a steal or two per game, lots of deflections, and lots of hard-nosed play. I expect a high FG%, and lots of play initiating those four-point-swing fast breaks, and lots of dunks finishing those four-point-swing breaks.
And in the end, I don't ding guys who could score 20 per game, but doesn't just because the team has so many scorers to distribute shots among. Whether the real world accepts it or not, the player I just described above — if his sacrifice and play helps a team jump to elite levels—that player's an All-Star. Sorry Z-Bo.
Two Guys going after Defensive Player of the Year Award
AK and Raja.
I've already written tons about AK, but one more thing deserves to be said. When deciding on defensive awards (Player of the Year, All-Defense Teams, etc.), we need a more complicated analysis of blocks and steals. Here's what I propose:
Blocks:
- Blocks swatted out of bounds = 1/2 block. Because, really, is this any better than a dude accidentally tripping on his own feet and bopping the ball out of bounds with his head? Is it any better at all?
- Blocks ending up in teammates' hands = 1 block
- Blocks starting fast break and four-point swing = 2 blocks.
Steals
Every passing lane gamble that results in giving up an easy layup because you were no longer in position to defend anyone results in -1 steal.
Add it all up, and AK will suddenly lead the league in blocks, and possibly steals. Because he deflects shots to teammates, and his steals are rarely gambles that kill the team defensively if it doesn't pan out.
Then include his good man-man defense, his great help defense, and the effect his disruptive play has on his teammates — add it all up and that's the kind of guy I call Defensive Player of the Year.
But AK will have some competition from ...
Raja Bell
So far, just from opposing fan threads, we've learned that Raja is a Brandon Roy killer and a Tyreke Evans killer. We already know how well Raja plays Kobe. If you aren't convinced, compare Kobe in the first preseason game and Kobe in the second. Kobe in the first, when he ran off 19 points in the 3rd quarter and shot 8-9—Earl Watson got a good share of that time defending Kobe. Kobe in the second game? 2-13. Guarded by primarily Raja Bell.
Now Kobe won't always go 2-13 against Raja. But Raja will play tough, physical, make Kobe work for every shot, and generally just piss him off.
In fact, that's probably the best stat to measure Raja's effectiveness (because he doesn't rack up steals and blocks, like AK does). How many times does the opposing SG get pissed off? With Raja on the team, it will be a lot.
And if the Jazz continue showing their improved defense, if they continue to play tough and physical, if they continue to show ZERO intimidation before the Lakers, the Heat, and the other elite teams — well, all that derives from Raja Bell. Welcome back, dude.
CJ gunning for both Sixth Man of the Year
How good has CJ looked? It has been suggested that the Smart CJ vs. Dumb CJ meme be banished from SLC Dunk completely. He's become just CJ. And he's played really, really well.
He's taken good shots, he's driven to the hoop, he's rebounded and gotten to the free throw line at a much, much higher rate than ever before. He's become the guy we always wanted him to be. Does he occasionally still jack up a stupid shot (usually a contested three or twenty footer)? Sure. But do you know what? So does Deron. So does AK. So does everybody. The point is what kind of shot, what kind of play does a guy naturally tend to go after?
And CJ's become a guy who naturally takes good shots, drives to the hole, makes an extra pass, plays decent defense, etc., etc., etc.
Suddenly 15 points, 4-5 rebounds, and 2-3 assists from our first guy off the bench seems realistic. And what's fun is CJ is a genuine 6th man. He's not one of the three main guys the team is built around (eg. Ginobli, the Jet, Jamal Crawford, etc.). Even at his position, SG/SF, CJ's plays behind AK and Raja for legit reasons (not just to get a scorer off the bench—AK's the second best player on the team, Raja's the opposing SG killer). CJ will likely be the 4th or 5th leading scorer on the team (behind Deron, Al, Millsap, and possibly AK).
That's what you call a genuine Sixth Man of the Year, and if Smart CJ Miles is your 5th or 6th best player—your team is pretty stinking good.
And now I formally banish Smart and Dumb CJ from my vocabulary. He's just CJ.
Three Guys going after Most Improved Player of the Year
Millsap, CJ, Fes.
In real life, the award goes to someone who gets a huge increase in minutes, and therefore his scoring/rebounding/assist stats also increase.
So, that gives us Paul MIllsap.
But I say Millsap won't really be most improved. He was already good. He was already a quality starter. He was already playing like a borderline All-Star. He just didn't have the requisite role and minutes.
The real guys who look to have improved a lot are CJ and Fes.
I've already gone over CJ, but just one more thing: CJ has shown flashes of his potential for three years now. He finally put it all together the final month and a half (plus playoffs) last year. So he most of the improving already happened. He's just working on maintaining it.
So let's move to our favorite Ukranian Center:
Kyrylo Fesenko
(note to all announcers in the NBA—particularly the dude that does game recaps at NBA.com—it's pronounced "Kuh-ril" Fesenko. The "o" is silent)
First of all, it's important to see who he was in order to appreciate where he is now and where he can be by the end of the year. No, Fes didn't show the crazy post moves we're seeing now. No, Fes wasn't a dependable offensive force in the paint previously. BUT, the Jazz played well with him last year. And that's what's important. He already gave "Fesenko, Fesenko, Fesenko." He already gave the team a decent chance to play well with him.
So despite the pizazz, Fes hasn't actually improved quite as much as you may believe. I'll reiterate this: the Jazz played well with him in last year, and that is ultimately the issue that matters most.
But still, how can anyone argue that Fes hasn't improved. He's dropped weight. He's developed post moves. He's worked on his free throws. He's actually calling for the ball on offense. But he's still active on defense. He still blocks shots. He still rebounds. He still rotates and plays pretty decent help defense. He also still fouls at a ridiculous rate, but we don't need him in for 36 minutes anyway.
As crazy as it sounds, the only thing that I think can keep Fes from putting up 10-12 points, 5-7 rebounds, and 1-2 blocks per game is minutes. He'll probably end up with 12-18 minutes per game. Which, of course, will lead most of the "experts" around the NBA to overlook that Fes has to be one of the most improved players in the league — and I feel confident saying this right now, before any more development over the season.
Jerry Sloan finally wins Coach of the Year Award
Oddly enough, this is probably the most likely to happen in the real world. Here's basically how the real "experts" vote: (team wins - predicted team wins)*(predicted conference place-actual conference place). The team with the highest number gets their coach the award.
If the Jazz play to their potential, we're looking at a figure like this: (58-46)*(7-2) = 60. Sloan wins COY.
Yeah, it's stupid. You can tell it's stupid when you look at the obvious best coaches in the league today: (Sloan, Popovich, Jackson), count their COY awards (2 total in 58 combined seasons) and remember Mike Brown, Mike Dunleavy, Sam Mitchell and crew have all won the award instead.
But in my world, where we look at things that matter, here's what you have to keep in mind about Jerry Sloan.
- Deron Williams is better than anyone thought he would be. Not that anyone predicted a slouch, but I don't think anyone imagined the complete, dominating player we have today.
- Memo (when healthy) is much, much better than he was his first year on the Jazz.
- Millsap has become a much stronger scorer than anyone expected
- You could go on with virtually every player on the team.
Sure Sloan isn't perfect, but who is? The most important thing is that his players are better because of him, and the team is better because of him. We just don't see it so obviously because the improvement and quality develops long-term, not in short term flashes. And this long-term effect, this sustained quality that builds and builds over time, that puts a team in contention, keeps it there for decades, finally building up to one of the true elite teams in the league despite few high draft picks and few big-name free agent signings — that kind of quality usually eliminates Sloan from the COY contention.
I guess it's more impressive to lead a crummy team to a .500 record, make the 8th seed in the playoffs once, and then fall back into mediocrity, or worse.
But the stars are aligned for Sloan to win the thing this year. In real life and in my dream world.
Jeremy Evans and Gordon Hayward turn heads and compete for Rookie of the Year
I know, it ain't happening.
Even in my dream world it isn't happening. Barring catastrophic injuries, neither will have:
- The number of shots to get their PPG up to the required level (real world requirement), or
- The number of minutes to make major contributions to a winning team, (my dream world requirement)
Still, I wanted to bring this up. It's a question I asked last year regarding Wesley Matthews. Is it more impressive for a rookie to play 35 minutes per game and score 20 while leading a disgustingly bad team? Or is it more impressive for a rookie to start on a playoff team, chipping in 10-12 points and pushing the team to a much higher level with his all-around brilliant defense?
If you really think about both situations honestly, I don't think there's an obvious answer.
Back to our guys. This isn't a prediction, but it's a plea. With the potential Evans and Hayward have, I want them to get more than garbage minutes. Right now, I think the top 9 guys on the team, when you balance both current abilities and potential, have to be: Deron, Al, Millsap, AK, Raja, CJ, Fes, Gordon, and Evans. I want my top 9 guys to be the guys who also play the most. Kind of like how I want my best lineup to be the one that plays most often.
If you notice, there isn't a backup PG among my top 9. That's the answer to me. Give Gordon the backup PG minutes. I know he's not as polished as Earl Watson right now, but it's okay. Gordon will learn. He can already handle the ball and pass well—he just needs experience. And if you put Gordon in the backup PG spot then both he and Evans can get about 15 minutes per game to develop.
Until Memo comes back. Then the minute crunch really gets crazy.
The rest of the crew
Memo
The bench is already strong. When Memo comes back it will be ridiculous. The only question is how will the players respond to fewer minutes across the board. This is where having unselfish leaders like Deron, AK, Millsap, and Raja will really matter.
Ronnie & Earl
I still like Ronnie better. Others like Earl. Neither will set the world on fire (actually, Ronnie might). It's cool that Earl was willing to go from a starting gig to backing up the best PG in the league — especially while Deron's still young and worth 36 minutes a game. But watching Earl so far, I'm not dazzled.
Elson
He's got some Dutch nastiness to him (don't Google that). I like that. This team already has already shown more toughness and competitive orneriness in 8 preseason games than in the past 4 years combined.
But he shouldn't get minutes ahead of anyone previously listed.
My Final Word ... For Now
Again, this isn't so much a prediction as a look at this team's ceiling. Can the team make a run at a championship? You bet. Will they? That's a different question altogether. There are definitely other teams with better chances. But there are no shoo-ins, and the more I look at this team, the more I see a team that has a legit shot. And I see players with a chance to become the players I described above.
Whether they make it or not, whether they reach their ceiling or just 80% of it, it will be a fun year to see the guys make their runs I described, it will be fun to rant and rave when the "experts" ignore our guys because all they see are PPG stats, while all I see is team-play (And keep in mind that the PPG stats CANNOT be overwhelming for any Jazzman — there simply aren't enough shots or minutes for any guy to score as much as he theoretically could),. And it will be fun to see the Jazz make the best run they can.
I'm stoked for this year.
All comments are the opinion of the commenter and not necessarily that of SLC Dunk or SB Nation.
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Wonderful write up!
Now I wish we could somehow get this to ESPN, NBA, and Yahoo exec’s so they stop driveling about LA, Miami, and Boston non-stop.
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by i_am_pure_barbarian on Oct 26, 2010 8:32 PM MDT reply actions
All the Jazz need to do is win to get the attention of the right people.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
i almost spit my food into my monitor
at this
Sloan, Popovich, Larry Brown, Phil Jackson, and Pat Riley (he forgot he’s not the coach again quite yet).great post. loved every word.
Yeah, I liked that too
Almost surprised I didn’t wake up this morning to an article saying that Pat Riley was taking over coaching to curtail the massive losing streak of 1 game.
Good write-up
but you still hold on to two things that are wrong-
#1 Millsap is not an All-star Level talent – he is a Carl Landry talent. He is a good complimentary big. It is just so obvious at this point. If something develops in the future, and Millsap takes over that Role then it will probably mean that the better option (Al Jefferson) is injured. The thing is that Millsap’s skills are perfect for being a very effective Role player too (energy guy, good rebounder, runs the floor well, finishes well) but he is not the Jazz’s matchup problem for other teams. He is not the guy that they are game planning for. THAT GUY IS AL JEFFERSON (at least down low, obviously Deron is maybe the guy that is the most important). So I don’t see why we need to elevate him to some other level. The sooner that he accepts that fact and just goes out and plays the game, the better off the team will be.
I have noticed a tendency by many here on SLC Dunk to romanticize and exxagerate the importance of role players. I think this is a major flaw in the (sometimes collective) logic here, but really is not surprising. Role players are easy to like. They don’t meet with the same scrutiny as the guys who carry the team, and they are mostly fun to root for. they haven’t arrived yet so it is fun to watch and hope that they will be future stars…. but I digress.
I do like the look of those two defensively much more than I thought I would though, so I agree with you there. Alot of that is that Al looks better than I thought he would (Paul was already Solid especially when he wasn’t playing somebody much bigger).
#2 It is obvious to me that you are going to persist with this “The offense runs through AK” thing no matter what is going on out there on the court. that is fine, but every time you say it I am going to call BS because you just have a huge man-crush on AK. AK has zero plays called for him to be the primary scoring option. The wing players can be substituted in and out and the offense doesn’t change. Deron initiates the offensive play. He then passes usually to one or the other wing player. I totally agree that AK is an extremely important cog in the offense because he is a strong passer, and a good cutter but when Jefferson is in the game the Jazz are feeding him. the offense is running through Jefferson no matter what you want to think. Deron first, Al down low – those are the two main cogs of the offense – AK is like the oil that keeps everything lubricated, but so is Millsap to a certain extent, and whoever the other wing is as well (Raja, CJ etc). AK is just really high quality oil, if you will.
Other than those self indulgent points I like where you are headed with the rest of the piece. I like the optimism.
by davidthecomposer on Oct 26, 2010 9:19 PM MDT reply actions
I have a tendency to capitalize random words throughout my posts.
you have probably noticed. I apologize, it happens when I am typing too quickly.
by davidthecomposer on Oct 26, 2010 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions
1. We live in a world in which David West, Al Horford, Chris Kaman, Z-Bo, Rashard Lewis, bloated stat-mongering team killing PHX Suns Shaq, Rasheed Wallace(2008 version, particularly), big Z Ilgauskas, Kenyon Martin, Theo Ratliff, and gasp Jamal Magloire have been All-Stars.
2. Don’t feel like arguing. My metaphor for the Jazz offense is different than yours, that’s all.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Yeah I understand your point that Millsap helps a team win.
Some of those guys you listed don’t deserve to be All-stars perhaps, but that doesn’t mean that Sap does either. he can be a very valuable player though, I just think that some want him to be something that he isn’t.
#2-fair enough, I would really like you to explain exactly how the offense is run through AK.I think it might have to be a long explanation. I am not saying this to argue at all, I would really be interested. I’m sure you have better things to do, as do I in reality, but I just can’t see how you can justify saying the offense runs through AK. I will be open minded if you ever want waste the time to explain it in detail.
by davidthecomposer on Oct 27, 2010 12:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Wether or not the offense runs through AK...
The Bill Russell 4 point swing analogy is genius bro.
Every game in the West is going to be a street fight. And this team is ready to fight in the streets. (Have never thought the Jazz could fight. I’ve always liked that they fought dirty, but never have considered them out and out street fighters. If that metaphor makes any sense?)
The only glaring weakness on this team, the single little strand that worries me is Al’s ability to pass. Twice in the post you said he ‘passes very well’. I think he proved that he could score through double and triple teams. And everyone on our team knows how to cut to open space, I just don’t see him as a good passing big man yet. Was not sold on his passing ability in preseason.
My one tiny fear underneath 5000 words why I fell asleep happy the entire preseason.
Al's passing
Guess what? In this preseason, adjusted for minutes played, Jefferson is already averaging a new career high for assists.
Neither Malone nor Boozer were good passers from the post when they started out in Utah either, but both left Utah as some of the best-passing bigs in the game.
Jefferson didn’t have a reason to nor any talent to pass to in Minny either.
Agreed that it’s an area he needs to work on though. That said, let’s not forget that he was a first-round pick straight out of high school for good reason. The man has talent.
by Clintonite33 on Oct 27, 2010 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions
More Al's passing
During the preseason games (and you can see my spouts in the gamethreads I’ve been able to participate in), there have been 1-2 times each game that Al made a pass — often to Millsap — that left me thinking Wow!. The passes were crisp, on target, and often took a bit of dexterity, great court awareness, and often through a mass of defenders — the kind of pass that would have been muffed if it had been anything less than perfect.
That’s what I mean when I say Al proved to me that he can pass well. I just don’t think he passes enough, yet. I particularly haven’t seen enough great hockey assist kind of passes — a super good, intelligent pass that may not lead to an immediate score, but it makes the defense suddenly off-balance and scrambling, which lets that Jazzman assist an easy dunk.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
With time, practice, and focus...
passing may become more natural and more of an instinct for him as the season progresses. He clearly has the talent for doing it well. Just needs to match that with working so that it becomes second nature within the offense as it is for some of those who’ve been on the team for a while.
I think he’ll eventually get the passing bug once it all clicks and will get just as much excitement out of assists as his own buckets.
It's about the double team
There’s been no shortage of press regarding his coachability and progress. Undoubtedly he’ll become a better passer.
I just didn’t like the way he handled the double/triple teams. It could be a combination of old habits dying young, and the ‘standing around and watchcing’ factor. He may be a crisp,accurate passer when he has room to see the floor. I don’t know, for every good pass he made in the preseason there were 2-3 double teams where a man was left open and I cringed.
The first 1-2 months, every opposing team wil try to exploit Al’s ability to pass out of the double team. I guess I feel more comfortable when he tries to score through a double team, rather than pass his way out of one.
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Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
And when the Jazz are ahead of any expert's preseason expectations...
…they (the experts) won’t miss a beat as if they’re not at all surprised:
“Jerry’s Sloan has his club running on all cylinders, Jim.”
“Yes, Tim, the trade for Al Jefferson is really paying dividends.”
“I expect the Jazz to compete for 2nd position in the west.” (When they’re already there)
And on and on.
Doubtful that anyone will hold themselves accountable for failing take more than a superficial look at any but the teams they are currently suggesting will finish in the top few.
I wonder what Barkley’s saying.
Barkley is sayin' he loves the Al Jeffs pickup
And Jalen Rose was virtually the only known expert to pick the Jazz to win the NW
by Clintonite33 on Oct 27, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I love your writing, Yucca Man!
I think your approach is great, predicting a ceiling rather than what will happen. The more I’ve thought about our acquisitions this off-season, the more excited I am about this season and the future. The front office has definitely done the best they could to field a competitive team!
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Fun Post!
But, Are you comparing what Ak does to what Russell did? That is like Kahn comparing Darko to Chris Webber times 100. Ak is a solid quailty role player. Bill Russell is the most successful player in NBA history and one of the top 2 players ever. I get that they both can make a defensive play to start a fast break, but even in a fantasy land AK should never be talked about like he can do what Bill Russell did.
Russell is beyond great. You're right, he's one of the best 2 players ever.
I use the comparison, not to say AK’s as good as Russell, but more to describe AK’s role, how his defense transforms the team offensively, what kind of effect his play last January and February had on the team, and what kind of effect it can have on the team this year.
I would not call AK just a solid role player.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Understood
I get that they both make defensive plays to start fastbreaks and get transition baskets. Just when I read that all I could think about was Chris Webber and David Kahn talking about Darko.
Ak is a role player. A very very very good one, but he is a role player. No disrespect to AK, but he is a role player. What AK helped us do for 26 games in January and February was amazing. No arguing there. It was a good post.
My only other disagreement was that you say, “Deron can dominate a game without also always having the ball in his hands. Among current players, only Tim Duncan can compare.” I do like that you pointed this out. I would just say that you need to add Dwight Howard. He also does that. I do think that your point is still very good here though. In Boston last night you saw that LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all need to have the ball in their hands on every play. It just proved how it is important to have a Superstar who can dominate in different ways during the game. That was a great point on your part.
Good point about Dwight
I should also add Kevin Garnett, because he totally transformed Boston without needing the ball in his hands. But even with those guys, the list is small. And, crazy enough, mostly big guys. For a PG to do it is simply amazing.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Methinks you're interpreting wrong
An analogy doesn’t mean that the two situations are equivalent, merely similar in nature.
A bee is to beehive as fish is to:
A) forest
B) sky
C) ocean
D) WHAT!>!>? Are you trying to say a beehive is the same size as the ocean?
Sorry Jazzhype,
Interpret means to perform or render according to one’s own understanding or sensitivity.
What AK does in his beehive is similar to what Bill Russell did in his ocean. The block-pass is an action (situation) similar in nature. The inclusion of Bill Russell’s name was not meant to compare the scope or breadth of his career with AK (beehive vs. ocean size).
That would be the proper wording according to your multiple choice scenario.
And it is a fantastic analogy in a post that projects we’ll have 1 MVP, 4 all-stars, 2 rookie of the years, 2 all-defense, 3 most improveds, and 1 coy.
Looking over those projections you lay out
It looks like I also forgot to include our 2 guys winning Executive of the Year: Kevin O’Connor and Deron Williams.
My optimism knows no bounds.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Methinks you interpreted my post wrong
What AK does in his beehive is similar to what Bill Russell did in his ocean. The block-pass is an action (situation) similar in nature. The inclusion of Bill Russell’s name was not meant to compare the scope or breadth of his career with AK (beehive vs. ocean size).
Wasn’t that exactly my point? I believe it was.
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One of the best Jazz previews I have read this pre-season. This Jazz team really is deep. It is going to be fun to see how they all can gel together. Excited for the season to begin so they can test their metal.
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Excellent article
I love the optimism and agree with you on most all accounts. In fact my Utah Jazz 2010-11 Season Preview is similar in many respects. I’m predicting a 55-27 record and a trip to the Western Conference Finals. Go Jazz!
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