Deron Williams And The Rest Of The Jazz Players Are Pissed
by Basketball John on Feb 19, 2010 11:59 AM MST
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This trade could have a bigger fallout than we imagined. The tweets from Locke and Siler have given me an ulcer.
@Lockedonsports,
Bitter, upset, pissed off is the only way to describe comments from #utahjazz players.
Deron Williams when asked about team not imprroving for this season, "that is why I signed a three year deal"
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Deron Williams said he had nothing good to say about the trade and that this is why he signed 3 year extension. Wow. Double wow.
Deron said Ronnie was his little brother and that he thought Jazz would try to get better at the deadline not worse.
I'm trying really hard right now to not hit the panic button on this. Obviously emotions are high right now and time will settle things down a bit, but this isn't good.
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Not surprised at all.
Deron had similar things to say about the Maynor trade — that it didn’t help make the team better at all. And in the case of Ronnie B., the Jazz gave up (in my opinion) an even better and more valuable player. (I mean, does it really matter how good your backup PG is when D-Will is your starter?)
Deron is pissed, and I don’t blame him. The last time the Jazz made a move to try and improve the team was when they brought in Korver two years ago. And even then it was more about getting rid of Giracek, who obviously wasn’t going to work out.
This kind of trade is exactly the reason why Deron will not re-sign with the Jazz when his contract is up. Way to go, KOC. Hope that “future asset” is worth it.
If DWill leaves....
…I leave.
The chemistry of the team is more important than anything. I see the team coming out flat as hell today and laying an egg in golden state. DWill will get frustrated early and it will be the Warriors coasting to the end. Ronnie Brewer was more than a player, he was a guy that made the team play harder when he gets a steal to a breakaway layup. Hustle plays, which have been talked about it length the past couple of broadcasts is what Brewer brought to the table. Sure he had the worst shot on the team excluding Fess and the KOOF, but he did the little things that aren’t recorded on the stat sheet that made a difference.
Who is going to cover Kobe when he comes to town? Not our shooting. KK? No way? CJ? Still in high school. Wesley? He is a rookie and Kobe will eat him for breakfast. And also the refs will help when they can. AK? Probably. But then who covers Odom? Pau? The reason I am referring to the lakers is because they are the team to beat no matter what people say. You can beat everybody else in the West but if you can’t even match up to LA. Your only shot is hoping somebody else takes care of them.
DWill was unhappy about the Maynor trade, but it seems to have smoothed over. Price stepped in and did fine. But now you are taking away a guy that has barely missed any time for the Jazz. The only game he didn’t start last season was because he was late to shoot around. DWill and Brewer have matured together and breaking that up is not good for the team.
Boozer is star. The Jazz want to keep him so they have leverage over him at the end of the season. The way I see it is that if he preforms well in the playoffs then they are going to swing a lot of money his way. If not, they will probably low ball him and essentially let him walk for nothing.
Losing only two games since Jan. 9th means nothing? It boggles the mind that this trade would be made and we aren’t even under the luxury tax still. The chemistry and the hard fought victories are becoming apparent and would have never seen this team pull out the wins they did at the beginning of November. The starting lineup itself with AK and crew is playing out of their mind. The ball movement is a sight to see and makes everything transition to the defensive end as well.
The contract we traded away was a restricted one. So we could have matched anything they threw at brewer. Now the grizzles can do that as well because apparently Rudy Gay will walk after the season. So any possibility of fixing this mistake seems to be out the windows. And the protected pick we got back is garbage. Good Contract for a terrible pick, makes no sense other than money but not even that appears to have worked out.
Quick Summary
- terrible shooter/FT%
- but electrified the team and crowd
- HUSTLE PLAYS
- guarded the premier SGs in the league which we always have problems with
- gave up restricted contract
- freed up money to sign boozer at the end of the season
- DWill is mad, don’t get ninja mad
- and also the only reason the jazz get on the top ten sc plays
Good luck in GS and the record count w/o brewer begins
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Ownership Exposed
I guess we can all stop arguing over whether or not this was a salary dump to save money. Ownership said they wouldn’t do anything to make our team worse and that they would add payroll if it would make us better. The players can read. They know what management is saying. We just traded a starter for nothing. Hasn’t Brewer started every game this season? It would have been better to stand pat than to lose an effective player. The logjam argument doesn’t hold water either. None of the players are guaranteed playing time. If CJ sucks, let him sit on the end of the bench and sulk. It’s not like Fes or Koof ever get any playing time. Slow knows how to DNP a player. Furthermore, if Brewer was expendable, why has he been starting for two years? We need to face the fact that we’ve been lied to by the ownership and they’ve made the team worse to save a few bucks. The players know it
You know
looking back I wonder if Korver was benched for a couple games because the front office told Sloan that a trade was imminent with Korver but it didn’t pan out. I wonder if Sloan is just as frustrated with the front office as the rest of us. Of course he would never say so in public…
This
is the worst possible thing that could happen. Freakin heck. Addition by subtraction is retarded. The last thing you want to do is piss off your star player. I HOPE this will wake up the Jazz FO. LIke lebron yelling in cleveland or wade in miami or even kobe in la. you can only keep star players if you’re willing to appease them and make the team better and keep it competitive. Trading player’s friends for nothing but a garbage draft pick is a slap in the face to players. What does it mean? You can bust your butt for years and be thrown away like a dirty towel.
Greg Miller and KOC better fix this fast. I wouldn’t doubt the rest of the players are a little annoyed and I bet coach is too
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How
how are KOC and Miller going to fix this. There are not any free agents that will help. Here comes the loosing streak. When management quits on the team the team quits on management.
this is a business
the next time an athlete doesn’t do what’s best for himself will be the first.
deron needs to grow up. this isn’t how a leader is supposed to behave. it’s fine to be upset, but keep it internal.
and don’t give me this crap that the jazz ownership doesn’t care about winning or aren’t trying. look at their freaking payroll. give me a break.
by Brigadier Pudding on Feb 19, 2010 1:41 PM MST reply actions
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I guess we all have our opinions, but I strongly disagree. Being a leader doesn’t mean keeping your opinions and emotions to yourself. It means being passionate and not just standing by and letting things happen around you without reacting.
If he “keeps it internal”, how is management supposed to know that they’ve pissed off their best player? It’s management’s job to keep the players happy — at least if they want those players to stick around for any length of time.
Looking at the payroll isn’t an indication of management “trying” as much as it is an indication of bonehead decisions by management. (ie. CJ Mile’s contract)
leadership
doesn’t mean laying into the front office via the media. that’s not a leader to me. i’d prefer my team star didn’t behave like kobe bryant.
and if the jazz only cared about the bottom line, they could have shed payroll last offseason, this season and yesterday. question the moves all you want, but i don’t get that logic that they’re not trying.
by Brigadier Pudding on Feb 19, 2010 1:54 PM MST up reply actions
Well, I think it’s a little extreme to compare Deron’s comments to Kobe’s. Probably the biggest difference is the fact that Kobe was insisting that the FO get rid of some of his team mates. He didn’t feel like they were worthy to play with such a superstar. This is the complete opposite. Deron is upset that the FO sent away one of his team mates and got NOTHING in return (because that’s what the Memphis pick is worth to me — absolutely nothing). Comparing our best player to the most hated and most immature player in the entire league doesn’t sit too well with me.
Anyway, I definitely see where you’re coming from, but I don’t think Deron was out of line. The media asked him what his reaction was to the trade. If I was extremely pissed off about something, and someone asked me how I felt about it, it would be pretty difficult to act like it’s no big deal. Give him some slack — he’s only human.
by vizzle07 on Feb 19, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry guys, but Deron's wrong.
Yeah, it terrifies me when he says stuff about the length of his contract, but he’s just lashing out because his friend is gone. He’s a pro and he’ll get over it.
I’m as scared as everyone else is of messing up our team chemistry. But is placating Deron by keeping his buddy around an extra four months really worth losing an asset and getting nothing in return? I say no.
Not only that, but we’d have seen how far that “friendship” went this offseason, when Memphis would have offered Brewer way too much money, and the Jazz wouldn’t have matched anyway (the writing for this was on the wall this past summer, when Brewer/KOC couldn’t agree on an extension). Would you have wanted the Jazz to way overpay for Brewer, the way they overpaid for CJ, just to keep his buddy around? Because CJ is Deron’s boy, too. And that certainly played a factor in the Jazz matching OKC’s offer sheet. And look where that got us.
Ronnie B would’ve been gone in a flash when he got that big offer sheet from Memphis this offseason. The logical thing to do for the Jazz is to preempt that by forcing Memphis to give up something for him. If you think in any sort of frame outside this season, IT MAKES SENSE. And it’s the front office’s job to think about the future and not just the present, especially when the team as presently constituted (with or without Brewer) isn’t going to beat the Lakers in the playoffs anyway.
Everyone will get used to it. Stop overreacting.
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I'd rather keep him and let him walk after the season
this could be a major blow to team chemistry this year and also leave a bitter taste in the players mouths. If he stayed the rest of the year at least the jazz show their respect and appreciation for his contribution. this way it looks like the jazz FO values him at 3 million bucks. not a smart move in my opinion and not the way jazz have done business in the past. I agree with dwill. But I also agree with you shums and think this is a “smart” move to get something out of memphis. It was just a dumb PR move and it might have a negative effect on their future
So why is Boozer still here?
(keeping him) around an extra four months really worth losing an asset and getting nothing in return?
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correct.
you beat me to it.
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Yeah, just saw yours.
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Keeping Boozer
I think the Jazz are still hoping he might stay… Jerry has always said he doesn’t want him to go and I hate to admit that Boozer has become an excellent team mate.
I wonder if the Jazz are hoping a deep post season run will convince him to stay.
now...
having said all that, it’s like Yucca has said. If you ARE thinking with an eye to the future, that’s when you move Boozer for whatever you can get by way of draft picks and such. Making one move but not the other is… curious.
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they traded brewer
because they have perfectly capable players on the roster to replace him.
the same can’t be said for boozer.
by Brigadier Pudding on Feb 19, 2010 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah but
Brewer/Matthews > CJ/Matthews
Holds true even if you throw in Korver
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but is millsap/boozer/mad tax penalty/no draft picks > millsap/haslem/less penalty/more picks?
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Yes
it’s not as if the Jazz were going to be getting any A grade picks from the heat, and you can basically write this season off by trading Boozer.
Aside from that perspective, keeping Boozer until the end of the season makes a lot of sense. Given that this season he is unlikely to be a top tier free agent, chances are to get the kind of money that he expects he will have to go through the sign & trade process with the Jazz, which will put us in a position to get something in return for Boozer. The FO obviously think they have a better chance of getting something worthwhile in return this way, or possibly think they are going to be able to retain Boozer.
My input
the jaz tried to shave salary for next season so they can make an offer to boozer. either A to resign him, or B do a sign in trade.
The jazz would get alot more out of a sign and trade with Boozer than anything offered this season in a trade.
that being said. I will miss brewer and don’t like the move.
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It's not about getting rid of his buddy
It’s about getting rid of his buddy for nothing that improves the team
by Bobby Joness on Feb 19, 2010 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
Dumb
This was a financial move nothing more nothing less. The best pick we get with the Grizzlies first round draft pick is 9th. Anything above that is protected over the life of the pick we get.
Although I agree with Deron’s comments, he has to know that right now there is not one team that is “trustworthy”. Players gouge franchises (ie Carlos Boozer and Cleveland Cavs) and franchises gouge players (ie Utah Jazz and Ronnie Brewer). It’s a business. You hear players say it all the time, “It’s a business”.
This is alarming to have your star and franchise player saying these comments. If you’re the Jazz FO you have to be alarmed.
And how in the hell does this make us better than the Lakers?!? Aren’t the Lakers the team to beat? So are we just giving up on the season?? I don’t know what the hell to think anymore.
But here’s to the Jazz FO:
kelly dwyer
just called wes matthews a below average rotation player.
HARSH!
by Brigadier Pudding on Feb 19, 2010 1:59 PM MST reply actions
I saw that
and Skeets called the move “bullshit” on the Jones today.
I don’t think either one of them has watched enough Jazz basketball to recognize Matthews’ potential. Maybe that’s why I’m not as down on this trade as a lot of people. I’m a huge OMSW fan and I think with time he can be a more complete player than Brewer, Korver or CJ. Maybe I’m wrong on that but I want to find out.
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True, I'd like to find out too
but right now, I wouldn’t say he’s wrong with that.
Right now, Matthews is a below average (maybe average) rotation player.
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I think OMSW is already more complete
just not perfectly consistent.
And national media/analsysts are the last place I’d look for informed opinions about an undrafted rookie playing on a team most people don’t watch.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Kinda what he is, isn't it?
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i'm guessing
dwyer just looked at his PER and saw wes was below average.
problem is, so is ronnie.
by Brigadier Pudding on Feb 19, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
Brewer
PPG 9.5
RPG 3.4
APG 2.8
SPG 1.6
BPG 0.3
FG% 0.495
FT% 0.633
3P% 0.258
MPG 31.4
Matthews
PPG 8.1
RPG 2.0
APG 1.2
SPG 0.5
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.472
FT% 0.783
3P% 0.363
MPG 21.4
I dunno, man, those are pretty comparable to me, and Matthews does it in ten fewer minutes per game. What would happen if he played the 31 mins Brewer was playing?
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While I'll miss Ronnie's dunks and athleticism
I’m excited to see more of OMSW. Because:
1) their per 36 min. numbers are about as similar as 2 players can be, and
2) Brewer is all he’s ever going to be, OMSW will be getting even better.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
yeah, that's the other thing
Matthews is two years younger and he’s a rookie. Nowhere to go but up.
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Curious
(because I have no idea)… what’s an average PER?
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Oh, okay
thanks to both of you
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The good thing about it all....
…. look at the Knicks roster. They have basically given up on the season to try and get Lebron or D-Wade or both. That is the silver lining behind it all.
And I ain’t as down about Ronnie B getting out of here, I just don’t get how this makes us a better team. We have had 2 trades and neither one made us a better team. They were only about money. That’s what is frustrating. Addition by subtraction won’t beat the 3 6’10"+ guys from LA. That’s what I am the most frustrated about. I am spoiled and am not just content with winning and losing in the playoffs, I want to go to a place that Jazz fans have never been before. NBA Champs.
A Blazer fan's take
After reading through most of these comments I would say a couple of things:
I am surprised that Deron would openly slap his teammates in the face as he has done by implying that the backups for Brewer are garbage. This could definitely cause problems in the locker room.
In defense of management, they did step to the plate to retain Milsap this past summer. Perhaps the Blazer’s meddling is at least partly if not directly to blame for this move.
This could be the first step down a very slippery slope for the Jazz. I preduct a late season swoon for the Jazz. It would break my heart if this happened.
Oh….And put Portland on the list of teams interested in Deron’s services when he walks.
See ya’ll next week at the Rose Garden.
I think you're the first
and only person to take his comments that way. How is he implying that Brewer’s backups are garbage? He said the move doesn’t make the team better. And it doesn’t. And everyone including Miles, Matthews, and Korver know that.
Very interesting interpretation. I feel pretty confident that this is not going to cause problems. That’s not saying that the trade won’t disrupt team chemistry — but that has less to do with Deron’s comments that it does with the trade itself.
Typical Blazer...
Your interpretation is simply wrong and you guys are too optimistic.
Lets make one thing clear ‘Blazers are not getting Deron’ in 2012/13!
slcball...you gotta do better than that!
I’m wrong and I’m too optimistic…okay…care to support your comments? To clarify I simply stated that we would be interested in him. I didn’t make any predictions. But thanks for clarifying. Now I can scratch that one off my list.
I have never had an original thought...
so I think it is unlikely that I am the only person to take his comments that way. I was just putting myself in the shoes of those backups and thinking that his comments didn’t exude confidence in my abilities. He wouldn’t be so upset if he felt those players could step in and get the job done.
That said, based on last night, it looks like the Jazz will be just fine but only time will tell. As for my Blazers…they were the worst I have seen them all season last night against Boston. We will see if they can bounce back against your tough Jazz team.
I was thinking the same thing
Maybe the Millsap deal caused this trade.
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 19, 2010 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
Hey guys, Im going to my first game this season tonight
Gonna keep an eye out for team chemistry after the Stupid Swap made by Obliterated O’Conner, giving away Ballistic Brewer for practically nothing.
Hopefully Distraught Deron keeps his cool without Runnin Ronnie by his side. Workin’ Wess should play well, not so sure about Kiss me Korver or Crappy Jumpshootin CJ. Im also excited to see how Brash Boozer plays, knowing hes stuck with the Jumpin’ Jazz for the rest of the season. Also, hoping Flamin FESS and maybe even Kolassal Koufos gets some more minutes with ‘Orrible Okur back in SLC. Manly Millsap and Steady Sloan will be great as usual. Im hoping Killin Kirilenko is on fire tonight, we’ll need him.
On the Weakening Warriors side of the ball, Childish Curry and Electric Ellis make up a quick backcourt. Terrific Turiaf and Bloated Biedrins shouldn’t be too much of a problem down low. Hopefully the Jazzin’ Jazz don’t forget about Madman Morrow or White (Just Kidding Hes BLACK haha) Watson. In the end, Nonsensical Nellie and his team should make it close but I’m expectin’ the Jurrasic Jazz to pull this one out, even if we need a miracle from Goliath Gaines again.
Game Preview courtesy of:
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I needed that on a day like today. Cheer hard for us all!
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by TazzJazzFan on Feb 19, 2010 3:49 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
you guys look pretty good still not going to lie, you beat us pretty handidly.
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Over reaction
I think that everyone is over reacting a bit here, like Shums said we were never going to resign Ronnie and chances were pretty good Deron was going to lose his buddy anyway. I think once Deron has had some time and the management sits down and talks to him, he’ll be fine.
It was a smart move, though I will sorely miss Ronnie.
It's hard for me not to overreact to this...
What can I say, overreaction is in my blood. I am a Jazz fan, after all.
However, I’m gonna have to quarrel with Deron’s basic premise that the front office isn’t trying to get better. Sure, this trade and the Maynor trade were not primarily about getting better now, though there is an argument to be made that we could be better after this one. I think the ultimate trump card management has here is the Paul Millsap stuff that went on last summer. Matching Portland’s offer sheet virtually guaranteed that the Jazz would be paying the luxury tax this year, and yet they did it anyway, because they recognized Millsap’s potential and wanted to give Deron a running-mate for the long-term. Brewer’s potential was nowhere near Millsap’s, and as pretty much everyone has noted, there wasn’t much chance he was gonna be here for the long-term anyway. Taking on that much salary last summer, paying the luxury tax, and foregoing the payments we would have gotten from other teams being over the tax is a HUGE move for a small market team in a lousy economy. It’s certainly not the act of a team that doesn’t care about getting better.
I really hope that fact sets in with Deron before too much longer. He certainly has every right to speak his mind and make it known that he wasn’t happy with the move. That said, I certainly hope he’s profesisonal enough to put it behind him and do his job. If he can’t do that, it raises serious questions about his leadership.
Oh Dear....... So much good info flowing with emotion.....
Emotionally, I don’t like this trade, makes zero sense.
LA is the target team to beat, we need BIG BIG AND BIGGER to do that! We did not get it today. :(
The decision was purely a move to save some cash, I can’t criticize that decision either, biz is tough all over and does not show any signs of getting much better real soon. Save the bucks you can today cuz you will be needing them tomorrow!
Deron is fine and will continue to be fine. I can only presume his comments were born out of the same level of frustration we all are feeling right now. We gave away a starter, a known quantity, for thin air, the unknown and unknowable…….so far.
I will take a breath and wait it out. (No I do not promise to remain silent later just cuz)!
I just wish the FO would have had the guts to say, hey folks, we can afford to be here next year with this team reconfigured a bit. It may not make emotional sense, or basketball sense, but it keeps the balance sheet intact and the team in SLC.
Like a bad burger or good bale of hay, this too shall pass!
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What a KOC up!!
The biggest problem with the front office right now is not being upfront. Just come out and tell us exactly what’s going on.
Even if they don’t want to say everything, atleast be honest when something happens. All those years of KOC saying we will only trade to get better seem like total bull to me right now.
If he said after the trade that they were trying to save money then I might let it go a bit quicker.
Very frustrated right now.
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Ronnie just got a hamstring injury :(
He was doing his usual steal, and tweaked his hamstring. Dammit :(
by KaBar6 on Feb 19, 2010 8:13 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I heard
They aren’t sure whether it’s a hammy or if he hurt his knee. I hpe for his sake it’s only a hammy and not his knee. Poor guy.
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