Game Thread & Preview - Utah Jazz @ Phoenix Suns
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 7:52 PM MST
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Utah Jazz at Phoenix Suns, Mar 4, 2010 8:30 PM MST
The Suns are reverting back to their old ways and that's not good. They started out the season on fire. Through November, they were 14-3. Then over December & January they finally cooled off and couldn't crack .500 over that span.
But now they've won 13 of their last 16 with some big wins at Denver and at Oklahoma City. They also knocked off Dallas at home.
In December and January, they gave up 107 & 112 points per game respectively. Yikes. And then, all of the sudden, they clamped down on D and gave up only 100 points a game in Febrhttp://www.sbnation.com/admin/entries/new?community_id=113&entry_type=GameThread&event_id=43624uary and just 93 points in the two games they've played in March. That would hardly seem fair for a team to keep rolling offensively and suddenly start putting the clamps on teams on the other end. That's a huge drop in points per game allowed. I don't know if the possessions have gone down or what.
According to Seth from the Bright Side of the Sun, they've been "dominatrixing" on the boards lately.
If they're rebounding well and pushing the ball after each of those misses, that's a frightening reality. The Jazz will need to get back quickly on transition D or give up layups and open threes all night.
The Jazz are just 1 1/2 games up on PHX right now with the Suns having played 3 more games than the Jazz so far this season. They're up one game in the win column on Utah.
All of the remaining games for the Jazz are must-win when you consider the West and how fast you can move from 2nd to 8th. Is there ever such a game that is a "it's an okay if we lose" game? The reason why all of these are must-wins is to avoid having late games in the season be must-must-wins as in, we must-must-win in order to avoid playing LA in the first round. So win things now so you can have your seeding taken care of later in the season.
Although, we do play PHX again on April 14th for the final game of the regular season and I have a feeling it's going to be a must-must-must-win.
Let's hope the warm Phoenix weather has loosened up Deron's wrist.
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I'm a little nervous,
Then again iwas ittle nervous before the Houston game and we saw how that went.
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i find this game less nerveracking
than games against minny, lac, sac, etc.
the sad life of a jazz fan.
Lets just hope
We get up and play instead of just assume we deserve teh win like we do against the .500 and under teams.
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Phoenix is playing ball like we were playing ball 10 days ago. We are not anymore. It will be VERY difficult to win tonight.
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Is it wrong for me to say...
…I’ve not put product in my hair today as I’m doing an ‘AK’?
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Hair WAX??????
Like bees wax?
Do they like still make that stuff?
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 8:45 PM MST up reply actions
time for superstar
ties it with 3 seconds..
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 8:43 PM MST up reply actions
with dragic out
who are the likeliest candidates for unlikely jazz killer of the night?
channing frye? or possibly amundson?
I hope its
James Jones.
He’s on the Suns right? Or is it Earl Clark?
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James Johnson*
whoever it was that was drafted this year
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Okay, that's what I thought
I knew it was one of them.
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Because someone is bound to go off
someone always does.
I just hope its not Frye (who I released in fantasy a while back).
Actually, nevermind. I hope it’s Lopez… he’s still on my fantasy team today.
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lol
That’s why I was hoping it was the rookie.
No one has him.
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Gonna be our own OJ!!!!
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 8:48 PM MST up reply actions
Amare has been killing it
Just dropped 41 on the Spurs a couple games ago, but Boozer put up a 20-20 last time against the Suns..
Should be a good game. Hopefully DWill comes out and abuses the old man Nash.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
Channing Frye
Since when did he turn into a 3pt shooter? I just seen where he is shooting 5 a game at .43%…wow!!
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He's been on fire this season.
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I'll admit it
I’m worried.
They shoot 3s like mad… and make them.
They’re rebounding like mad right now.
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good question
I think it was us getting cold and other teams figuring out our defense, the Suns would panic and start shooting jumpshots. With Robin starting at center he would challenge layup and shots and rebound better than Frye. Watch Milsap eat Frye alive tonight
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kill us. we like to make unlikely all-stars on the opposing team.
Earl Clark and Taylor Griffin
are our rookies but they don’t play and I doubt that they can kill anybody
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You obviously haven't seen the Jazz enough
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The Jazz are reputed Star makers!
we secretly select one player on the other team, go out of our way to make them have a Super Star night!
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 8:59 PM MST up reply actions
It's Kobe's fault!!!
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 8:53 PM MST up reply actions
actually it's Sterns's fault!!
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 8:53 PM MST up reply actions
I'm going to say it once and only once the rest of the game.
Fesenko MUST be in. That is all.
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Mar 4, 2010 9:00 PM MST reply actions
Okur
5 shots in 4 minutes.
I love Okur, but is that really a winning strategy?
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More amazing
Was that they called that charging foul on kobe in overtime. that never happens!
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right after they did not call two fouls underneath!
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 9:06 PM MST up reply actions
thx.... same to you....
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 9:08 PM MST up reply actions
I have literally never seen Carlos Boozer dive on the floor like that befoer.
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gotta bring one shot wonder for that to work.
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 9:19 PM MST up reply actions
more out of luck than D...
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 9:20 PM MST up reply actions
Fes
For the record, and I know this is somewhat out of context but I have seen it repeated far too many times including different game threads here, Fes never smoked in the middle of the game in Ukraine. It was speculation by someone in Ukraine when he had to leave during a quarter because he was ill. Repeating rumor and innuendo is kind of crap.
Well, with the success of hockey recently
they had to make sure you could find the object of interest
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Hate to say it, but we are royally screwed. With AK in foul trouble, Boozer and Millie can't match up.
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they too will soon be on the pine with fouls.......
Sterns button working overtime tonight!
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 9:27 PM MST up reply actions
Boozer's
right foot when he shoots freethrows drives me crazy. it’s set at such a crazy angle
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Jeez
KK didn’t put up much D on that drive.
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 9:35 PM MST up reply actions
just revealed tonights Super Star...... The old guy!!
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by RRR on Mar 4, 2010 9:36 PM MST up reply actions
I love Gaines. Plays as hard as Ronnie Price in a truer point guard role. Might play harder than Price, just doesn't jump as high.
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I find it incredible that we're only down 10
Might as well be 20 with our offense right now. We’re not taking advantage of these TOs
And he is a better shooter than Brewer, but he can't finish at the rim like Ronnie could. We miss Brewer more than anyone has ever admitted.
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I'm just gonna say it now. We need Ronnie Brewer tonight and I can't wait until Boozer is not with the Jazz anymore.
I am disillusioned with the Jazz management right now.
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I am now calling for Ronnie Price to only be allowed to ever play shooting guard for this team. No reason he should play point guard.
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Is this not the absoulute dumbest three reffs in the entire league?
Add to that the gotdaaumed announcers have forgotten they are getting paid to cover the game in front of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GAWD this is making for a long night!!
What up Doe?
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That was atrocious defense on Nash by Boozer. He is back to his old defensive ways. Jazz literally can't win when he plays defense like that.
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Like standing flat footed and then just pushing them?
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Mar 4, 2010 9:58 PM MST up reply actions
His help defense there, literally helped Nash get into the lane and get an open layup.
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Provided an escourt.........
What was with booze on that play…..?
Did not look very good from here.
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Actually I think he got grabbed and held up.
Should have gotten a foul call……… BUT……. it’s the Jazz….
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My explanation. Gaines got fouled away from the play, DURING the shot.
Thus, he shoots and the basket counts.
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Mar 4, 2010 9:57 PM MST reply actions
I love Ronnie Price, but two different back up point guards have shown that they should have his minutes at that spot in one season.
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If anyone wants to keep Boozer it's going to cost us every prospect we have. We will have to salary dump them.
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That's what i'm wondering
I can’t tell if we are playing better than i thought we were or the suns are playing worse
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Who would you say sets the best picks for the Jazz?
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 10:20 PM MST reply actions
I'm just trying to think of the last good pick I saw
And can’t think of one.
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 10:21 PM MST up reply actions
an argument can be made that AK is the best at everything on the jazz
except shooting and rebounding
Suns in foul trouble early
Now if we can hit FTs the rest of the way.
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 10:22 PM MST reply actions
If there's any hope
This is how the lat game was against the Suns and the Jazz finally broke through.
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 10:25 PM MST reply actions
if there's no hope
this is how the last game went, when the jazz couldn’t gain any ground and the lead stayed around 10 the entire game
You're right Clark
Where did Boozer’s temporary toughness go?
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 10:28 PM MST reply actions
It's in a hotel room somewhere in Cabo.
Boozer has the anti-Deron effect when he gets snubbed for the All-Star game.
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or it's like deron (all-star)
in which he got named western conf player of the month, and began playing poorly
Did Booze EVERY learn how to box out??
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Mar 4, 2010 10:29 PM MST reply actions
It's not that he does not know how.
It’s that he is not playing as if he does.
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Channeling his inner Marbury. "She's my better half. She's my better ho."
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I hate
HATE, national televised announcers. They always talk down about the Jazz. It drives me nuts
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not to mention go off as though they were in studio and did not actually have to cover a game!
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Seriously
They talk about stats and crap more than say whats goin on. For the love.
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slow is going to be pissed
about the Suns shooting such a high percentage.
Maybe he should play Fesenko then?
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Wow
What was that milsap!? Wide open layup and you miss. Not even a break away.
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That was really bad. Might have outbadded Boozer's lack of effort tonight.
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I am amazed
We’ve kept within 10 points playing this poorly and having the suns shoot this well.
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We should have tried to trade Carlos Boozer and Korver to Phoenix for Stoudemire.
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Yata and not Price?
Interesting
nice shot DOE!
by KaBar6 on Mar 4, 2010 10:47 PM MST via mobile reply actions
That is F******* B*****. I'm done watching this game.
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Mar 4, 2010 10:49 PM MST reply actions
I think there are reruns of the purple dino on somewhere.....
Beats watching this shi==
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Like RRR pointed out earlier
These refs are just dumber than dirt.
by KaBar6 on Mar 4, 2010 10:51 PM MST via mobile reply actions
What's up Jazz fans. I hope I don't offend anybody with this
From Twitter
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One Jazz fan told the ref he’d give up one of his wives for a win and @PhoenixSuns’ Head Coach Alvin Gentry turned and laughed.
3 minutes ago via web
Steve Nash plays D!!
I really hate to ever blame the refs
But this is a joke.
And I’m FIBA qualified as a Referee.
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We aren't doing ourselves any favors by playing well though.
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Agreed. Some absolute garbage calls though
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take the reffs out and we could at least play the gotdaaumed game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Especially these three clowns
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Chicken and Egg, moni
If we didn’t get the crap call would the momentum be different?
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LOL
You forgot Point Guard. And I’m a Support Desk Manager.
(And I’m no longer well rounded, lost 30kg in 12 months
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You looking for a job as my publicist?
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Not too many could come up with a wstat like that John!
Got some inside info there? :)
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I have no positive feelings about this team anymore.
Not because they aren’t winning, but just because they don’t excite me anymore. They aren’t going anywhere and when they play with poor effort it is hard to like them.
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Wow
More badmouthing from the announcers. You guys bored cause you don’t get to call a lakers game? Idiots
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We aren't going to win if he does nothing though.
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Had to share this with you, cause I know you guys will get a laugh:
@Utah Jazz just tweeted: “Deron says get on my back, guys” back2back 3s.
I replied: Boozer says, “Get on Deron’s back, Memo!!!”
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63% from the field
Really? Would Fesenko make things that much worse?
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Stupidest reff crew in the entire league!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sap had two players on him, each with an arm…..
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Yeah. We have no chance of winning this game. Wink, wink.
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What up doe?
He’s just catching and shooting them like it’s just screwing around and not trying to be serious. Maybe that’s what CJs deal is?
by KaBar6 on Mar 4, 2010 11:05 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I thought he made a smart move there with the pump fake and dish for an open layup.
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Or am I just hallucinating?
Do you think he tries a little too hard to shoot his 3’s?
by KaBar6 on Mar 4, 2010 11:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
We need to pretend we are losing by 20 points to start every game.
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Because
CJ starts the game on the bench.
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lol.
You know its true though.
If he starts, the shots are limited (relatively). And he seems to flow better.
Off the bench… he is the offense
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Guys, its okay. This team is going to be real special next season.
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Was that Memo or Deron who hit that last 3? My TV cuts off the edges of the screen.
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Actually it was 20 bucks. Bought it out of an apartment building in Chapel Hill with 8 used TVs in the front room.
Bought it from 5 UNC undergrads. Very unsuspicious. Did I mention that I am going to the UNC @ Duke game this Saturday?
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Where? Deandome or Cameron?
Also jealous
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I am a Duke graduate and I was glad to find out RXMike and BC7 are both big Duke fans.
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These
Refs are awful. Seriously, they just pulled Andrei down and he go tthe foul
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Ya know iffin Grant got knocked on his A$$ about twice.......
He would have to hit the pine for rehab!
Bring in the Koof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The jazz have 5 more fouls
but two more freethrow attempts. well it’ll be even after these shots. Why do i feel it’s alot more one sided.
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nice spin by Memo
I thought he should have converted though
It took about 10 second to develop though
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 11:19 PM MST up reply actions
Did
They just call a foul in favor of the jazz? wow, and on a loose ball foul
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He read that about 5 minutes before it happened.
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 11:20 PM MST reply actions
I can't believe he missed that dunk,
that didn’t look like enough to alter his shot at all
WOAH BOOZER
That was as flagarant as a mutha******!
by KaBar6 on Mar 4, 2010 11:20 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I'd be punching someone if they did that to a teammate
We did get the flagrant 1
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Another
Offensive foul called against us!? And the announcers are being morons
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Glad that Nash had enough time to fall to the floor and gather himself before anyone guarded him.
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by clarkpojo on Mar 4, 2010 11:22 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
If they wave off that shot because Boozer shoved in the back, I will break his ankles.
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OHHH HELLL YEAH!!!!
I just shouted myself hoarse
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Damn these Jazz right to hell.
They shouldn’t be able to do this to us.
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 11:24 PM MST reply actions
RXMike, did you go to Springville high school?
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You went to Provo? You will hate me even more, because you think I am against you, but I graduated from Timpview.
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You may have known I went to T-View, but I didn't know you went to Springville. BC7 tweeted something about it.
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haha
been out of highschool long enough that i don’t really care about the rivalries anymore. I graduated 05. What about you two?
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2000. Planning my 10 year reunion as we speak.
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The defensive irony, just like Arizona Cardinals and Green Bay Packers.
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WOW!
How many PGs could have done that behind-the-back that D-Will just pulled off?
Offensive board on the missed FT!
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Nice rebound off the missed FT. Just like the drew it up.
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 11:29 PM MST reply actions
I never know how to feel after a night like this. I badmouth them for 2 hours and then they do this.
They didn’t really deserve to win in so many ways.
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What a way to start my weekend!
:D :D :D
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how stoked I am with the top 6 on nbadraft.net
Wall, Turner, Cousins, Favors, Johnson, Whiteside. I’ll take any of ’em. And be excited as hell.
I like Alabi too. Hard worker and big athletic body.
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not at 7, though.
Whiteside, while raw, seems legit. They say Camby/David Robinson like… um. Yes, please.
He's a Freshman. It would be a project. Not for next season. Aldrich would help the quickest. He'll be solid even.
And I like Elijah Millsap in the 2nd round.
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I'm not lobbying for him by any means, but he is very sound. Wouldn't be the end of the world.
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A first round big from Kansas
there would be too many Ostertag comparisons for his own good
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Better offensive skills than Ostertag ever had. He has post moves. Probably not the shot blocker but okay there too.
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My giftwish list:
1: Wall
2: Turner
3: Favors
4: Whiteside
5: Xavier Henry
6: Alabi
7: Aldrich
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that's pretty close to mine...
I think Johnson is overrated… but he’s long and skilled. And Cousins is just crazy but a beast.
I left out really talented guys that might be busts. i want to draft a sure thing. Alabi is borderline.
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This draft is fun. I like it very much..
It’s fun having this pick, so I can root for teams like Indiana and Washington. lol
Such a great thing to be able to cheer on our team to win and cheer for a top pick. A unique situation.
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The fact that we even have a chance at landing Wall gives me goosebumps.
by Basketball John on Mar 4, 2010 11:33 PM MST up reply actions
What do we do with Wall if we get him?
I’m hearing talking heads say we’d have to trade D-Will
by boomgoesthedynamite on Mar 4, 2010 11:36 PM MST up reply actions
Who plays 2?
It wouldn’t work. 8 isn’t a #2… we know that. Neither is Wall. Do you trade for a nice big and take the chance of being “the guy that traded J Wall?”
by boomgoesthedynamite on Mar 4, 2010 11:38 PM MST up reply actions
Hate to be THAT guy if Wall is all he's cracked up to be.
by boomgoesthedynamite on Mar 4, 2010 11:38 PM MST up reply actions
yep
I see what you’re saying, but I’ll worry about having two 1s and deal with the other team trying to stop it.
I can live with that...
not a bad problem to have.
by boomgoesthedynamite on Mar 4, 2010 11:40 PM MST up reply actions
Besides, Wall is 8 years younger than DWill and at worst, he is a stud and they trade him for something great.
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I agree 100%...
I just hate the idea of trading #8.
by boomgoesthedynamite on Mar 4, 2010 11:43 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
I was referring to the talking heads saying to trade DWill… that seems like a really, really bad idea to me.
by boomgoesthedynamite on Mar 4, 2010 11:46 PM MST up reply actions
It would work. Wall is athletic enough to guard twos. Either could run the break and if they set up in half court, they could take turns with D-Will taking lead.
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Dunno...
I def agree that either could play 2, but you’d be leaving money on the table with both. I think you may be better trading Wall and getting some legit pieces… especially in 2010 when you have all these fan bases in uprising about not landing LBJ.
by boomgoesthedynamite on Mar 4, 2010 11:41 PM MST up reply actions
Best of luck to you guys
but please don’t steal our playoff spot ;)
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That's the problem
you guys losing now and then would be nice.
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thx..... one hella game it was......
Finally the it seemed the reffs got the hell off the court…..
Oh and I do not like dissing them, but they always seem to make it so easy.
This crew was the worst I’ve ever seen, I think.
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Agree
Inconsistent. Next time they should replace them with a guy watching the game on a tv instead of three refs who don’t know what to do
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you have no idea how good hearing that from a phx fan makes me feel!
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I can't
Believe this. LOL. My favorite part about this win. Is the announcers saying the jazz can’t come in here on the road and let the team shoot over 50% and steal a win
. Guess again!
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for two hours is was Suns suck up and parise.....
Three seconds after the bell……
Were outta here!
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I know we were complaining about defense
The jazz got 10 steals though… weird.
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We can't keep...
playing from behind. Love the win, but I can’t take this once the playoffs get here.
by boomgoesthedynamite on Mar 4, 2010 11:33 PM MST reply actions
I agree. I am happy with the win obviously, but I am worried about the bad habit we are developing.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
It's brutal to sit through 3 unwatchable quarters...
and then make a run. Championship teams don’t lose like that to the freaking Clippers. All it tells me is that we are capable of dismantling teams if we put the necessary effort in… unfortunately, we don’t start putting that effort in until the final shot of the quarter.
by boomgoesthedynamite on Mar 4, 2010 11:58 PM MST up reply actions
This is a great way to end a long week.
by KaBar6 on Mar 4, 2010 11:33 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I stood up for the last 2 minutes
And shouted myself hoarse. Replay on TV here later tonight (was on live) – I have a feeling that I may have a few alcoholic beverages and watch this again
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Replay is on
I may very well talk to myself (as it’s 0430 Friday in SLC, and it’s 2230 Friday here is Oz)
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When AK hit the deck in the first
I think that may have hurt his back. So when LopezDispenser mugged him it may have made it worse…
< worried Tazz>
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God, the purist in me could watch us run the half court Flex offence all day
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Call me stupid, but I don't mind us playing zone d
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This is quite possibly the biggest schemozzle I've seen 3 Ref's do.
It wasn’t Yatta’s FT’s, it was Doe’s!
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Yatta. I liked that 3
Ordinary defence on the Pick and Roll from the zone. You can really tell that players are still used to man D primarily
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Jeez, we complain to the refs A LOT
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Here's the kicker
PHX are shooting 322% from the floor, we’re shooting a negative FG%, yet they can’t get a lead more than 10 or so.
We didn’t give up.
We fought it out, and unlike the PAC game we got the luck and the W. There’s always a luck element in a road win, IMO
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i'm just getting around to catching up on the comments that were posted after i left the game thread
HEY!
I/m watching the repeat of the game on FTA TV here. Doe just hit a 3.
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Yeah, off the CJ miss.
We at 3:10 to go, AK just picked up his 5th!
DOE! STRONG TO THE RACK!
IMPRESSED with that!
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Alvin Gentry looks like a puppet from the Nike ads
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that's what i said earlier
but like bbj pointed out, it took 10 secodns to develop
i can see it going through memo’s head
ok…i have the ball…now i turn left…left is…that way…ok…here i go, i hope this works!
EXACTLY
Meanwhile, LopezDispenser just flattened AK. Blood pressure risisg
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IMO about 35-40%
They are all bad. Including the coaching staff.
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all right...i'm going to go watch pam and jim's baby being born on the office now
have fun celebratin’ ;-)
:D
Memo just hit the dagger from DWill
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