Here's to the Future
1. Problem: the Jazz don’t have a strong interior presence—neither on offense nor defense. On the offensive side it’s okay and skilled, but I wouldn’t call it strong. On defense, well let’s not go there. We already went there enough against the Lakers.
2. Reality: a) Jazz payroll eliminates them from luring big-time free agents, b) generally speaking, when doing trades you don’t get something for nothing*
* The exception to this rule is when a team is desperate to cut payroll. I just don’t get this feeling about many teams right now. So don’t expect a Dwight Howard for the KOOF trade. The Jazz aren’t in give-a-god-away mode right now.
So, what can the Jazz do as far as a trade goes? Let’s look at the team:
1. The untouchables: Deron and Memo.
Jazz aren’t trading Deron. Nobody wants a 30-something center with a ruptured achilles who’s owed $20 million for the next 2 years. Let’s move on.
2. Assets the Jazz should not trade, unless some bizarre and extreme circumstances arise: AK-47 & Wesley Matthews (I know OMSW’s a free agent, but does anyone think the Jazz aren’t going to resign him?)
Because they’re our 2 best defenders, the 2 best attitudes, the 2 best hustlers, the 2 best fill-in-the-blanks guys. Because AK was the 2nd most important player on the team last year. Because Wesley’s going to make a ridiculous run at the Most Improved award next year. Because both of them can guard the other team’s best guy 1-on-1. Seriously, Wesley made life really tough on Carmelo. And he did well against Kobe (Kobe just hits some obscenely ridiculous shots).
Yes, AK seems to be injury prone. I wonder if he’ll ever play 80 games again. But if the Jazz are wise, maybe pull a Harpring plan on him (specifying certain games to sit as a preventive measure), I feel only slightly naive for hoping for 65-70 games a year, with AK only missing 1-2 games at a time. And in that case, he’s worth keeping him in Utah for 1 more year with his current contract, and then resigning him later for less.
Unless I’m offered Dwight Howard for Wesley Matthews, I’m not really all that interested.
3. The real assets to dangle about: Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, CJ Miles, the Knicks pick
Boozer: I know he’s a FA, but here’s the thing: 1) he’s the ultimate show-me-the-money guy, 2) the Jazz can offer higher pay and 1 more year than any other team, 3) he played really well this year—I expect many more teams will be interested in him this off-season than last. Add this up, and you’re talking about sign-and-trade potential where the Jazz have serious negotiating power.
Millsap. I know. I like him better than Boozer, too. A little part of me would die if he goes somewhere else. I think he’s going to be great as a starting PF. He hustles more than Boozer, he plays tougher, he does harder fouls. But let’s face the truth: he’s a starting PF with all-star potential making $8 million a year (actually less than that, because of the huge signing bonus already paid). Don’t you think teams would love to have him? Don’t you think the Jazz could get something pretty good from a Millsap trade? And the kicker is that if the Jazz lose Millsap, they can resign Boozer and still be okay. Would that be awesome? No. But I could live with it, depending on who the Jazz get.
CJ. Smart CJ showed up at least 40 games last year. And as luck would have it, Smart CJ showed up to both playoff series. He played reasonable defense against Melo. He took it to the hole and hit a few 3’s. Is this a sign that Smart CJ’s here to stay? Maybe. But it’s also a sign that lots of teams would jump to have this guy when he’s making less than $4 million per year.
The Knicks pick. Combine it with any of the three above, and you’ve got a pretty decent deal for another team. And the deal gets better if the pick gets some serious karma and ends up top-3.
So, who do I hope the Jazz go after? I’ll be realistic today. The pipe dream will be posted later (maybe tomorrow).
Use our trade assets to get Andrew Bogut.
Why Bogut? Because he was the 2nd best center this year. Because he was blocking 2.5 a game. Because he shoots a high percentage. Because his passing would just simply rule in Sloan’s flex offense. Because his post game is fairly well developed (and light years ahead of, say, Dwight Howard—not that that’s saying much).
Seriously, think of this scenario—Deron at the three point line, Millsap sets a pick, Bogut sets up a high post, AK sets up for a back-door cut, Millsap rolls, Wesley spots up at the weak-side corner 3. As long as the Jazz make the extra pass and cut Jerry’s offense demands, that set up is pretty unstoppable. Even for the Lakers, thanks to Bogut’s size and Millsap’s quickness.
And think of the D. The last two wing defenders to win Defensive Player of the Year were Bruce Bowen and Ron Artest (I know Ron-Ron also had a crazy combo of speed and strength to handle bigger post guys, but bear with me). Now here’s the coincidence: Bowen was protected by Duncan—pretty much the best inside presence in the past 15 years. Ron-Ron had Jermaine O’Neal roaming the paint, back when Jermaine was not an animated corpse. Here’s the lesson: great wing defense has limited effect when the interior defense isn’t there to back them up. But with strong interior D, good wing defense eats the teams alive.
I just have this crazy feeling that if you got a great interior presence, the Jazz defense would suddenly be all-world. They’d destroy people. Bogut’s shot-blocking would make players more susceptible blocks from AK and Millsap (because they’re trying to avoid Bogut), there’d be more crummy shots put up in the paint, and more opponents off-balance and ill-prepared to get the rebound. That leads to more transition points. Seriously, I think you’d see a 6-10 point swing in the Jazz stats, looking at both increased team PPG and decreased opponents’ PPG. Especially if the defensive player can really run the offense with good shots, good passes, intelligent decisions, high basketball IQ, effective post moves, etc.
Bogut would be a dream. I can’t think of any center in the league who’d fit better in Sloan’s offense and defensive schemes.
There's other centers out there who'd also be nice to have, on teams who'd listen to the right offer (Joaquim Noah, Marc Gasol, etc.), but nobody who'd fit in as nicely as Bogut would. They don’t pass as well, they don’t score as well, they don’t run an offense as well. Plus, These guys make significantly less money than Boozer, so the Jazz would have to accept an excessive amount of crap to make all the salaries involved line up correctly.
But the question is would the Bucks be willing partners?
Actually, I think so. More willing, in fact, than Memphis or Chicago. Here’s why: they almost defeated a much more talented Hawks team in the 1st round. Their only real deficiency was … scoring. They couldn’t put the damn ball in the hoop to save their lives. Their defense was strong—even without Bogut. But their offense was really, really bad. And it’ll get worse if John Salmons opts out of his contract and becomes a free agent.
And that’s an amazing coincidence because we happen to have a really good offensive PF to offer. Plus there’s another advantage for the Bucks: Boozer would play in the East. Instead of going against Duncan, Pau Gasol, Nowitzki, Amare, Z-Bo, LaMarcus Aldridge, Blake Griffin, David West, etc., etc., etc., he’ll be going against Antawn Jamison, Chris Bosh, and that’s about it. Boozer will pull off 24 and 11 for the Bucks. Maybe even more, considering they won’t have many other scoring options. And those numbers, in the East, will make him a likely All-Star.
Why wouldn’t the Bucks go for this trade? But wait, there’s more.
Boozer’s looking for a raise. We all know that. That means The Jazz would have to accept some crappy player & contract back to make the salaries work out. That’ll save the Bucks money, plus (if Salmons walks), they could end up with about $10-13 million to throw at a second-tier free agent. Plus another $14 million for mid-level exceptions, rookies, etc. before luxury tax kicks in.
That’s not a bad deal for a young playoff team looking to build for the future.
The crazy thing is, it’s not only decent for the Bucks, it would rule for the Jazz. How do you like this lineup: starters — F: AK & Millsap, C: Bogut, G: Deron & Wesley, bench — Memo (when he’s healthy again), CJ (Smart CJ), KK (yeah, let’s resign the dude), Ronnie P. Plus the KOOF, plus the Knicks pick, plus 2 more randoms (let’s say Yatta and Jeffers get to stay on the team).
I really like that team. It’s got a star; it’s got defense on the perimeter, on the wings, and inside; it’s got 6-8 guys ready to score double figures; it has punch off the bench; it has hustle guys; it has speed; it has size; it has teamwork; it has a competitive leader, tough guys ready to do whatever coach asks, and a trio of appropriately fun guys to bring some balance to it all. Seriously, doesn’t this set of averages seem reasonable:
F - AK 14 PPG 6 RBD 2 BLK 2 STL 4 AST
F - Millsap 17 PPG 10 RBD 1 BLK 2 STL 2 AST
C - Bogut 17 PPG 10 RBD 3 BLK 1 STL 3 AST
G - OMSW 13 PPG 4 RBD 0 BLK 2 STL 2 AST
G - Ninja 20 PPG 4 RBD 0 BLK 1 STL 11 AST
F/C - Memo 12 PPG 5 RBD 1 BLK 0 STL 1 AST
F/G - CJ 11 PPG 3 RBD 0 BLK 1 STL 2 AST
F/G - KK 8 PPG 3 RBD 0 BLK 0 STL 1 AST
G - Ronnie 3 PPG 0 RBD 0 BLK 1 STL 2 AST
Totals: 115 PPG 45 RBD 7 BLK 10 STL 28 AST
Doesn’t that team look really, really freaking good? Doesn’t it look like a team that will play hard and intelligently all the time (hopefully eliminating those awful losses to the T-Wolves)? Doesn’t that look like a fun team to watch? Doesn’t that look like a team that the Lakers can’t just sent Pau and Bynum in the middle to clog things up because everyone worth a damn is 6 inches shorter than them both?
And the crazy thing is the trade would be pretty decent from Milwaukee’s perspective, too. I can’t imagine Milwaukee would really reject some combo of Boozer, Millsap, CJ, and the Knicks pick while reducing their payroll by $3-6 million. And what’s awesome is what seems to be best for Milwaukee is also the best for us — Boozer for Bogut and junk. Can anyone tell me why this can’t or shouldn’t happen? Anyone? Other than the fact that these are NBA GM’s we’re talking about, and they often live in a bizarro world that makes no sense?
I’m telling you, and I’m telling Kevin O’Connor, that this team would rock. That this would work soooooooooooooooooo much better than resigning Boozer. That unless all these 6’10” dudes in this year’s draft are the second coming of Hakeem or Moses Malone, you can’t work to counter the Lakers’ size through the draft. It’s gotta be from a trade, and all the pieces to something wonderful are laid out right in front of us. Here's the details of one potential offer (pretty sweetened to make sure Milwaukee says yes—they may not actually demand this much from the Jazz):
Milwaukee acquires: Boozer ($16 million).
Utah acquires: Bogut ($11 million) plus Charlie Bell (an unfathomable $3.8 million).
Milwaukee acquires: some future 2nd round pick.
Utah acquires (via the Harpring Trade exception): Dan Gadzuric (an even more unfathomable $7.2 million).
Milwaukee ends up with Boozer, a trade exception, and $6-13 million under the salary cap to pursue second-tier free agents. They win. Happy day.
Jazz end up with the team shown above, for a total salary similar to this year’s (a bit more). Win. Happy day.
Plus the contracts taken to appease the Bucks are only for 1 year. And I think that if the Jazz could find a taker for Harpring’s contract, they could find takers for these scrubs too. They may have to trade a couple of future draft picks. They may have to trade a promising rookie again. But that’s okay when you have a really good team that’s young, with key players under long-term contracts, with a payroll declining over the next 2 years, with two guys’ salaries coming off the books who are very likely to accept smaller, reasonable contracts to stay here (that would be AK and Memo).
You can ignore the draft for a couple years in this situation. Especially if the Jazz keep scoring on 2nd rounders and undrafted rookies.
And maybe this Jazz-get-Bogut dream team isn’t reminiscent of Bird’s Celtics. But it does remind me of the 88-90 Pistons, and that was good enough for a tougher league than we face today.
* There’s one more reason for my Jazz-get-Bogut dream. What if he brings his Squad-6 idea to the Jazz? What if he convinces the other guys to chip in and it’s double or triple or quadruple the size of the group in Milwaukee? We already have a devoted fan-base and well-known home court advantage (you just couldn't tell for the first 3 months this year because we didn't like our team). What would happen to the Jazz homecourt advantage with a Squad-6? And do you think there’s any way in hell I wouldn’t do everything possible to get one of those Squad-6 season tickets?
** Astute readers will notice that my scenario puts the Jazz in luxury tax situation again. You know what? I don’t care, and neither should you. They’re not going to lower ticket prices if they don’t pay the tax. The only concern would be if the Jazz start hurting financially and end up selling to a new owner in Topeka. But everything I’ve read suggests that a luxury tax team generally breaks even if it makes the 2nd round of the playoffs. That’s why the Jazz have said they’re willing to pay the luxury tax for a contender. Reasonable playoff runs offset the lost money from the tax. Well, their current team made it that far 3 out of the past 4 years. Maybe I’m crazy, but I can’t fathom the Jazz-get-Bogut team above being worse than what we’ve had. I think it’s just as good offensively and much better defensively, and much less likely to blow stupid games against the T-Wolves. That translates to a higher seed, more playoff home games, and probable deeper runs into the playoffs.
*** Besides, luxury tax alarmists, Millap’s salary is actually less than what is calculated in the salary cap figures—because he already got a $5.7 million signing bonus. The money’s already paid, but the number gets distributed equally in salary cap figures over the life of the contract. So the team's actual expenses are like $2 million less. Booyah!
All comments are the opinion of the commenter and not necessarily that of SLC Dunk or SB Nation.
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One problem.....
The bucks are significantly better and beat the hawks if Bogut is healthy.
This would be the ultimate dream. To land Bogut. I’ve woken up at night in a sweat because I would love it so much I would cry.
However, I really don’t see the Bucks trading Bogut. I don’t see Boozer wanting to go to the Bucks. It’s cold up there, ther eisn’t a tax exemption, he isn’t going to a team that is a contender. What does Booz get out of this?
A max contract? I think it’s a little more than just the money now. He wants to win a ring as well as get paid which is why he mentioned teaming with Wade or Rose.
My second concern is Boguts injury. That was a nasty injury. Probably can fully recover but weirder stuff has happened.
I love the idea though. Love it.
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Boozer agrees for the same reason he came to Utah ...
which is the same reason he opted in last year …
For him, money trumps all. Why would he sign with the Jazz, in snowy, boring SLC when he could have spent 6 years building a team with LeBron?
Why would he stay with the Jazz this past summer when they obviously didn’t want him, when he wasn’t in their long-term plans (as shown by the eff-you, insane contract extension given to Memo)? Why stay with players when the team chemistry was so off it took 3 months to recover? It wasn’t because he thirsted to be with a contender.
He’s about the money. He gets a bigger contract and more money this way. That’s all that really matters in Boozer’s decision this year. And Bucks will be in a similar situation that the Bulls were last summer — young team, good pieces to build on, especially a young, talented PG.
And while I don’t think the Bucks are anxious to trade Bogut, I think the Jazz have the assets to make the deal so sweet they’d be crazy not to.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
I would love to acquire Bogut almost more than anybody, but..
I think he is untouchable in the Bucks’ eyes. I think Jennings and Bogut are there 1a and 1b guys. I think you could maybe get him with the first pick in the draft and Boozer. Maybe. But I think you underestimate the Bucks neediness of Bogut when you say, the Bucks aren’t anxious to get rid of Bogut. I think that’s a severe understatement.
But more unlikely trades have happened.
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lol
if we got Bogut…. it would be like Gasol going to the Lakers and people would riot. Of course i wouldnt’ care this time because it was helping the Jazz. =)
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That’s a fair deal. The Bucks could bite, but I doubt they will. The Bucks only have 9 players returning and already have 55M tied up in salary. They should be focus on replacing (or resigning) Ridnour, making sure Salmons doesn’t opt out, and hope Redd is healthy. They can use their lottery pick to get another forward.
I doubt Booze would be interested.
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Concerning Bron, Bosh, and Boozer. I could care less.
Booze is interested in whoever offers him the money
It’s that simple. It’s always been that simple for him.
That’s why the Jazz have some negotiating power as far as his free agency goes — they can offer the most money, whether via straight signing him or sign and trade.
As far as the Bucks go, the Jazz can offer to rid them of $10 million in crappy contracts. Suddenly they’re not looking at $55 million tied up — they’re looking at $40-45 million tied up, depending on whether Salmons opts out. Plus maybe the Bucks hold out for the Jazz pick — that gives them Boozer, $10-12 million to go after second tier free agents (the Rudy Gay, David Lee level), and two lottery picks.
Is Bogut worth that much to them? Would they really keep him with that kind of scenario? If I’m the Bucks, I wouldn’t.
But it would absolutely be worth that much for the Jazz to get Bogut.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
the bucks need to score points to win games
but would they be put off by boozer’s lack of D? skiles is notoriously tough, and they seem to be more defense-minded than almost any other team in the league.
Boozer
is from Alaska for crying out loud! The cold wouldnt matter to him. I would love Bogut too. I have firsthand memories of him destroying BYU back when he was in college. I love how he has progressed in the pro game too. It’d be great to have him back here.
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Still no
Tax exemption like Miami (which he’s mentioned once or twice in interviews) and they aren’t really a contender the same way that Miami, Chicago,and otehrs with superstars are. that’s all im sayin
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Miami's a contender?
You must have watched a different Heat team this year than I did, because the team I saw was putrid.
Wade could score 50 per game, and the team is more likely lose by 30 than win a playoff game.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Miami is a contender
with the right pieces this coming offseason they will be a contender( that depends on Riley if he decides to coach)
You talk about if's and maybe's and when's
I know the Heat way under the salary cap, and all sorts of stuff can happen this summer … but looking at the two teams right now and the pieces they have in place, here’s the awful truth:
The Bucks are light-years closer to contending than the Heat. The Heat have exactly 0 players I’d want on my team right now. ZERO! Nobody. Zilch. Squat. They only had 2 last year (Wade and Haslem), and now they’re both free agents. Yeah, they’ll probably resign Wade, but there’s a long way to go from a team with 1 player (regardless of how good he is), to a contender. So long that I can’t think of a single team to ever do it the way the Heat will try to this summer.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
First off
I mentioned Miami cause Boozer has SPECIFICALLY said that he would want to go there. Part of it is because of the Tax rules down there. Second cause of Wade.
You criticize Miami for being fulls of if’s and maybe’s but so are the Bucks. Ther eis no guarantee that Bogut returns 100% after his nasty injury. There is no guarantee that Redd comes back 100% after his injury either. Salmons could easily be gone. Ridnour could easily be gone.
I’m not dogging on the Bucks at all. They have a good team but they have just as many “IF’S” as the heat do. Not only that, ANY player would choose playing with Wade over playing with anyone on the Bucks right now, if offered the same money.
Wade is the selling point. Miami is a few chips away from a title run themselves. Michael Beasely and Wade are a good pair. If you throw Boozer in there to play center in an Eastern Conference as you said in your article he instantly gets better playing against all those sub par teams. You honestly can say that if Boozer doesn’t join that squad that they had this year they don’t win more than 50 games? They had the 5th seed in the East with only 47 wins. Boozer is a much better interior presence than the aging O’neal.
Sorry man. The Heat could sign Boozer, have plenty of money to throw at a few more Vet players or resign some of the ones they got…. and they are easily a 1-3 seed in the East.
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love it
Deron at the three point line, Millsap sets a pick, Bogut sets up a high post, AK sets up for a back-door cut, Millsap rolls, Wesley spots up at the weak-side corner 3.
i got the shivers over this.
p.s. what happened to fes?
Fes is a free agent, and the Jazz may not sign him
And even if they do, I was focusing on the main 9-guy rotation. I think Memo bumps Fes once Memo’s healthy. Even so, maybe I should have written this:
Deron at the three point line, Millsap sets a pick, Bogut sets up a high post, AK sets up for a back-door cut, Millsap rolls, Wesley spots up at the weak-side corner 3, Fes sits on the bench and shimmies in his chair to flirt with the Jazz girls.
Now I’ve got some serious chills.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Please tell me this is possible in some way. I got chills just thinking about it.
That team would be nigh unstoppable. Oh my word.
Can we send copies of this to KOC? 100 consecutive tweets to get the whole thing to him? E-mail? Personal delivery? The FO MUST be thinking of this.
by i_am_pure_barbarian on May 15, 2010 8:09 AM MDT reply actions
Great bit of fiction
I’m with Clark: Bogues is an ‘untouchable’. They will build towards a championship run with him and Jennings (obeying the 2 superstars needed for a legitimate repeated run rule) so he’s not available. Dammit. I’d love him at SLC as an Aussie Jazz fan
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by TazzJazzFan on May 15, 2010 8:14 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed!!!
I doubt the bucks would be willing to trade Bogut for anyone on the jazz not named Deron Williams… Unless maybe the Jazz get a top 3 pick…. that may change things.
It would be an awesome scenario, but I dont think the Bucks would go for it. Even if Boozer is all about the money and not at all about winning (which I don’t think he is), why are Milwaukee going to trade the one guy who has been such an awesome boost to their team? Do you see any other player in the NBA coming up with an idea like Squad-6? let alone putting his own money up for it…..
You see about as many free agents lining up to go to Milwaukee as you do lining up for Utah, so when you have a player like Bogut, you hold on to him unless a ridiculous offer comes up. That is a good offer, but not really really ridiculously good looking.
It's hard to sell a franchise on trading a former #1 overall pick as well.
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Good point. But even Kwame brought back Shaq and Pau in two of his trades.
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You mean Butler and Gasol
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Sorry....
….As a Bucks fan, I think a little part of me died when I read that.
For once, other teams actually want our players! Unfortunately for you guys, Bogut is the most important player on this team,(Yes, more than Jennings) and I don’t think he’s going anywhere soon.
You gotta understand, this was a Bucks team determined against a Hawks team that wasn’t. You didn’t see the games at the end of the season where Bogut didn’t play. He’s the anchor that holds this team together.
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OH RLY?
Figured as much.
Thanks for the input :). We always appreciate hearing insight from other fans.
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I was just about to head on over to the Bucks
SBN page to see if there was any mention of this at all. Looks like now I dont have to (although I might anyways). Thanks speedingtime.
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No problemo.
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OH RLY?
by Jacob Grinyer on May 16, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Love This
I would love this. I even tried this on NBA 2k10 and it’s awesome!!! I would even give them a 1st round pick maybe even 2, no not the Knicks pick, to get things done. Don’t think the Bucks will go for it though.
Of course this is a great trade.
And the Bucks would never do it. Like most great trade idea’s, it is one sided. Maybe if the Knick’s pick turns out to be a top three. But then, I am not quite sure I would do it. Remember too, if somehow we pulled it off, it would (in reality) mean that we would not resign Korver, and probably have to salary dump another player in order to resign Mathews.
But all your points are right on.
Hey Jazz Fan Brothers
Send Millsap and Korver over here
And take back Richard Jefferson and Matt Bonner (PLEASE)
and we’ll throw in Eva Longoria ;-)
Fair Deal Right ?
Suns Fans check their closets for Manu Ginobili Bro.
For Deron and Memo.
Suns Fans check their closets for Manu Ginobili Bro.
by SpursNumberUno on May 17, 2010 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions
No way aint Booze a free agent ?/
You think he will stay ?
Suns Fans check their closets for Manu Ginobili Bro.
by SpursNumberUno on May 18, 2010 1:28 AM MDT up reply actions
No Way. But you can have ’Tonio McD
Or Jefferson
and we’ll even pay for Jefferson, cant get better than that bro
Suns Fans check their closets for Manu Ginobili Bro.
by SpursNumberUno on May 17, 2010 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Dammit man you Bro’s are hard negotiators man !!!
Suns Fans check their closets for Manu Ginobili Bro.
by SpursNumberUno on May 17, 2010 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I was a big Blair
fan when he came out last year. I really wanted the Jazz to grab him because I thought for sure Boozer would opt out and leave. That’s all.
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If that had happened though
You guy’s woulda been playing super small ball
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by SpursNumberUno on May 18, 2010 1:29 AM MDT up reply actions
As noted above, the chances of this happening are nonexistent
Bogut was the anchor of one of the league’s top five defenses this year, and he’s still only 25. There’s no incentive for Milwaukee to trade him whatsoever, especially with the East opening up next year with Boston getting a year older and Cleveland very likely imploding after losing LeBron. Between Jennings and Bogut, they’re set at the two key positions for the foreseeable future. The only possible way Utah gets Milwaukee to even consider moving him would be to offer a top three pick this year, a future first rounder, Boozer, and a young player like Matthews, and I’d still doubt Milwaukee makes that trade.
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