Kevin O'Connor & the 1st Round - A Scary Combination?
Let me preface this by saying that I know the Jazz haven't exactly been swamped with "good" picks (lets say top-15 is good? or should it be higher?) during the Kevin O'Connor era. There are plenty of reasons for this. Stockton & Malone. Sloan. Deron. Luck. Team play. Whatever you want to thank, you can. But still... the Jazz have had a 1st round pick every year since O'Connor took over. And obviously you're looking for someone to have an impact, or you wouldn't even draft anyone (or draft someone to leave overseas forever). And there are always late 1st-rounders/early 2nd-rounders who make an impact, you just have to find them.
I also know he's had some hits in the 2nd round. We'll worry about that later. For now, I'm just looking at the #9 pick, and wondering how I should be feeling about the Jazz having the pick.
In his time, he's explored pretty much every possible draftable area in the 1st round. Save for 1 (more on this later). A quick glance doesn't give us much to be hopeful about. And further glance just seems to support that feeling.
2009- PG Eric Maynor, VCU (Senior)
Its too early, but indications seem to be "hit". Of course, he dealt Maynor to Oklahoma City half a season in, giving him in the shortest stay of any Jazz 1st rounder KOC has drafted (and not traded on draft day). The next PG to go was Darren Collison (UCLA, Senior), who went to the Hornets 1 pick later. There were plenty of people on the Collison bandwagon, but he expressed a disinterest in coming to play behind Deron Williams, all but ending his chances of landing here. The pick was good; the outcome doesn't seem so hot though.
2008- C Kosta Koufos, Ohio State (Freshman)
Seemingly a "miss", but maybe he'll have 1 more shot? He's gotten his chances and done decent in the NBDL, but time has been much more limited in the NBA, being stuck behind Mehmet Okur, Jarron Collins and occasionally Kyrylo Fesenko. There are big issues with his game (he goes up too weak, for one) the haven't seemed to change much in his time here. Whether thats on him or on the Jazz is unknown, but it hasn't work out as well. The next C to go was Serge Ibaka (Europe, 2 years), though he's marked down as a forward (he went the pick after Koufos). The next C (according to the NBA draft board) to go was DeAndre Jordan (Texas A&M, Freshman) who went 13 picks later (in a different round too). Bad pick, but options weren't good. All young, inexperienced guys... it would come down to development. Jordan & Ibaka are both shot-blocking forces, Koufos not so much. Arguably the Jazz should've gone another direction here.
2007- SG Morris Almond, Rice (Senior)
A definite "miss". Not so much because he couldn't play, but because he never got a shot before being kicked to the curb. He did shine in the NBDL though. He just didn't seem to play enough defense for Sloan. The Jazz took him because they needed a shooter and a 2-guard, or so they thought. Ronnie Brewer exploded in his second season, making this pick more-or-less irrelevant. Almond came in as a shoot-first guy who was used to having the ball. He seemingly struggled to adapt to a "sidekick" role, though his numbers when playing with the starters weren't too bad. A knock on his game from the start was defense... and that remains the case. The next SG to go went 2 picks later. It took a new team, but Arron Afflalo (UCLA, Junior) seems to have come around as a defensive presence of sorts. Which the Jazz needed even back then. Wasted pick.
2006- SG Ronnie Brewer, Arkansas (Junior)
A "hit". But like the last "hit', he's now on another team. Brewer was never going to be the outside shooting wing the Jazz were looking for (at least seemingly looking for, given that Jeff Hornacek hasn't laced up in like 10 seasons). That was known from the get-go. He is a slasher who can play some D. He did that here. There were rumors the Jazz liked Thabo Sefolosha (Europe), but he went the pick before the Jazz. The next 2-guard to go was Quincy Douby (Rutgers, Junior), who went 5 picks later. So, 2 of KOC's last 4 first-rounders have been good, but neither guy is still on the team.
2005- PG Deron Williams, Illinois (Junior)
A no-question "hit". The Jazz needed a PG, and after a trade up from #6 to #3, they got their pick of the so-considered 3 best PGs in the draft (at the time)... Williams, Chris Paul (Wake Forest, Sophomore) and Raymond Felton (North Carolina, Junior). Williams was considered a better fit for the Jazz offense (at least by the Jazz) and somewhat more durable, which the Jazz had come to expect with John Stockton at the helm. It'll constantly be debated whether the Jazz took the wrong guy or not, but quite honestly, this was a "can't blow it" pick, and KOC didn't blow it. This pick (#3) was the highest KOC has ever had, and luckily it worked out. This years picks (#9) is the next highest pick KOC has seen. The lone "hit" for KOC still on the team (and 1 of only 2 first-rounders still on the Jazz).
2004- PF Kris Humphries, Minnesota (Freshman); SG Kirk Snyder, Nevada (Junior); C Pavel Podkolzin, Europe (2 years)
Miss. Miss. Miss. The Podkolzin-to-Dallas trade worked out... it net the Jazz a first rounder that eventually was used in trading up for Deron Williams. Humphris struggled in trying to replace Karl Malone (that seemed to be his mission), and he was eventually dealt away for Rafael Araujo, who at the time he came out was considered "immediate impact" and the best center of the class (yikes!). Kirk Snyder lasted 1 year before being traded away in a deal that net the Jazz... Greg Ostertag. The next PF to go after Humphries was some guy named Al Jefferson (high school), he went 1 pick later. If the Jazz were willing to try and develop a guy (which seems like the case when you take a freshman), maybe the guy 1 year younger (but more of an inside presence) was worth a bigger look? (Though there's 1 really good reason for KOC to be scared of high schoolers.) Two picks after Snyder saw the next SG go, one JR Smith (high school). Again, high schoolers might've scared KOC (especially high-school 2-guards with questionable mental make-up) but still. Snyder was 'loved by everyone' though, so maybe the Jazz just went with the flow here? I'm guessing Podkolzin was Dallas' pick, but if not, the next C to go was David Harrison (Colorado, Junior) 8 picks later. If the Jazz wanted a big, he was probably a better bet than Podkolzin (or re-trading for Ostertag) to have any sort of impact.
2003- SG Sasha Pavlovic, Europe (3 years)
Miss. Pavlovic lasted all of 1 sub-par year (without enough playing time to develop) before being left unprotected in the expansion draft (and Charlotte took him). The pick right after him was Dahntay Jones (Duke, Sophomore), who has himself become a passable 2-guard who can hold his own defensively. Again, something the Jazz needed.
2002- C Curtis Borchardt, Standford (Junior)
Miss. Entering the league, there were injury questions. They never let him be, and he was injured most of the time he was in the league. He was actually taken 1 pick before the Jazz... the Jazz then drafted Ryan Humphrey (Notre Dame, Senior) and traded him (with their 2nd round pick) for Borchardt. Which never made sense. If the Magic wanted Humphrey, why not just draft him? Especially when you have no idea who'll be around in the 2nd round. Anyhow, 4 or 5 picks after this mess came the drafting of Nenad Krstic (Europe, 2 years) who is still in the league, making him better than the other 2 guys by default. There was also some thought the Jazz liked one Carlos Boozer, but they ended up passing and he fell to the 2nd round.
2001- PG Raul Lopez, Europe (2 years)
Miss. I'm not sure how to grade KOC on this. Lopez, like Borchardt after him, saw his career derailed by injuries. The other thing is that the Jazz decided they loved their roster, meaning they had no space for a rookie. So they drafted a guy that was going to stay overseas for a year, instead of picking a different PG. And by different, the 2 next PGs to go were Jamaal Tinsley (Iowa State, Senior) 3 picks later and Tony Parker (Europe, 2 years) 4 picks later. There seemed little doubt at the time that Parker would've been a better pick, but the Jazz needed the guy to stay overseas for an year, and Lopez was more likely to do that. The Jazz went with Lopez, and he showed up 1 year later and met his new best friend, the injury bug.
2000- SG DeShawn Stevenson, High School
Miss. He's still in the league, but his time in Utah was a mess. The Jazz needed a 2-guard with Jeff Hornacek hanging up his sneakers, and they went with the high schooler. It was a marriaged doomed from the start, when he was arrested on draft night for some reason or another. He didn't get off the bench much early, and never fully developed (as an athlete or as a person, it seems). There weren't really other options though; Marko Jaric (Europe, 2 years) went 7 picks later, and Eddie House (Arizona State, Senior) went 14 picks later... both in the 2nd round.
So...
In the end... obviously KOC hasn't exactly had many "no brainer" picks. And he's often seen his guy taken before his pick. But still, you'd hope he could find guys that would contribute for the Jazz... and not just as cheerleaders and NBDL send-downs. He does have a good track record in the top-10, but its a very small sample choice (1 hit, 0 misses). Like I said above, he's tried everything. Foreign players. High schoolers. Small schools. Big schools. Freshman. Seniors. Juniors. The one area he's avoided is sophomores. He's had chances (Chris Paul, Dahntay Jones) but has passed on them.
He also has, overall, a horrible track record (even if half the picks were in the 20s). 12 first rounders. Just 3 hits. Just 2 guys (and only 1 of the hits) still on the team. Obviously hindsight's ... well, hindsight-y, but there were other options if KOC was drafting for position that seemed like better options. 6 of his 12 picks are still in the league, 2 of them having gotten new life after leaving Utah and 1 more potentially looking at that type of situation playing out.
Assuming that the Jazz don't trade up and that John Wall and Evan Turner don't fall, that leaves the Jazz with a couple of options. There's no real small school options, and obviously no high schoolers. There's high-risk guys galore. There's a Europe-born player. Bigs. Wings. Whatever the Jazz want. But to note... there is one guy being mentioned that is a sophomore, so history is against him it seems. That guy? One Greg Monroe.
Just saying. So there's reason to be worried as a fan, even if KOC hasn't missed in the top-10 yet. His first round record isn't uplifting, and with mostly everyone being talked about in the top-10 being an underclassman (read: high risk), you have to worry that the Jazz might select another Kris Humphries or something. That said, there isn't enough to narrow down how the Jazz might draft (some guys seem to prefer big-school guys, or low-risk guys, or only freshman, or something... KOC has shown the willingness to draft whoever he wants).
So, as the draft approaches... just realize that a 1st round pick in the top-10 doesn't guarantee a safe pick, or even someone that'll have an impact (Adam Morrison, anyone?). KOC has his work cut out for him... and draft history has to make you wonder if he'll be able to find the best player for the Jazz (you know... someone that Sloan will let see the court occasionally would be nice).
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I think the NBA
draft more than any other draft is an absolute crap shoot. For every 10 players that busted in the top 15 picks there is a few decent players and maybe one superstar from year to year. I don’t think that KOC has had that bad of a track record or that it’s on his head.
Sloan and his system also plays a HUGE part in the success of rookies. It’s not a very favorable rookie system as we’ve seen. Very few players break through, but when they do it seems to be a very good stepping stone. How many players have come to Utah and then walked away else where, only to be a contributer there? Very few but if they have they’ve usually stated SLoan as one of their favorites to play under.
It’s just a hard combination for new guys coming in. They either flourish or fail miserably. I kind of like it that way though. Only the Wes Matthews, Paul Millsaps, Ronnie Brewers, Deron Williams, succeed and it’s those blue collared guys I love more than the finese guys.
Just my 2 cents.
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My two cents is...
That O’Connor should be held accountable for his decisions. He said so himself in an interview. He knows the onus to find a good, contributing player is on him. I think his biggest problem is that he hasn’t always drafted the best guy available and has instead reached to fill needs, whether it was to find the next Stockton (Lopez) or the next Malone (Humphries, Braggs) or just to fill the team’s biggest need (Almond, Borchardt, Koufos, Fesenko).
My personal opinion and theory is that the team does a pretty good job scouting talent, but they end up reaching in the first round. And then in the second round, they take a flier on the best player available, even if they don’t need that position. That is how they have found Shandon Anderson, Bryon Russell, Paul Millsap and CJ Miles.
Say what you will about CJ, but just the fact that he contributes as much as he does now, is a big deal for a one-time 2nd round pick.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
I meant to say,
that it wasn’t all on his head. He does have to take responsibility for his picks but that combined with Sloan’s system its hard for rookies to produce.
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Jazz system is tough
Its not a place for flashy athletic guys that are sexy picks in the draft.
Its a place for no nonsense, tough, gritty, gitter done type guys. Not really the type you draft, but find in FA/UDFA and late picks. Guys that put the team first and no themselves.
That being said, you cant miss on a lottery pick. You just cant.
I am starting to jump on the Hassan Whiteside bandwagon. Dude has awesome measurements. Huge wingspan. He had 3 triple doubles in his freshman season. He would give us a defensive element that we have sorely missed in the playoffs.
In the 2nd round I would say we gotta either replace Korver or get Millsap a decent backup. Guys like Landry Fields and Darrington Hobson at SF or guys like Tiny Gallon and Derrick Character to backup Millsap.
All in all we have to find guys that can step in and contribute right away. With no cash to get any top FA we have to win in the draft.
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
I've been intrigued by Whitesides, but not on his bandwagon. Then I read this from Chad Ford's write up.
“Cousins isn’t the only player whose personality concerns folks around the league. I got the chance to talk to two more players — Hassan Whiteside and Charles Garcia — that have scouts baffled.
Whiteside is the draft’s biggest “high risk/high reward” player. He had a terrific freshman season, recording an amazing three triple-doubles for Marshall. His measurements were off the charts in Chicago — a whopping 7-7 wingspan and a 9-5 standing reach. When the athletic combine numbers are released later this week, I expect him to be one of the top players there, too.
He’s been compared to everyone from Marcus Camby to Tyrus Thomas. Teams are looking at him as high as No. 6 but many teams believe he could drop into the mid-to-late first round depending on workouts and interviews.
A number of teams reported to me that their interviews with Whiteside were rocky. I can understand why. In the 15 minutes or so I spent with him one-on-one he projected a confidence that bordered on naïve arrogance. He compared himself to everyone from Dwight Howard to Hakeem Olajuwon (with whom he spent a week training), complained about where I had him on my mock draft (No. 14 to the Rockets) and was insulted that our scouting report didn’t have more on his 3-point shooting ability.
Whiteside clearly believes he has the stuff to be great … but my interview with him was eerily similar to the one I had with Tyrus Thomas a few years ago. Thomas tried to convince me he was a perimeter player, complained he wasn’t ranked No. 1 and generally seemed clueless about the rest of the players in the draft.
That’s not to say Whiteside isn’t a nice kid. He has a great smile, can carry on a great conversation and clearly has worked hard on his game the past few years. But it’s going to be a big jump to the next level, both emotionally and physically, and from what I saw on Friday, I’m not sure he’s quite ready to make it."
I don’t want to have anything to do with him now.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
See that just makes me want the Jazz to draft him
and then the Jazz can serve him up some Jerry Sloan flavored humble pie. Is it wrong that I think that way about these things?
despite what one (or maybe two) people around here think
morris almond didn’t work out not because of sloan/the jazz system. despite all those d-league scoring records, none of the other 29 teams signed him or called him up when he was a free agent.
Raul Lopez
Wasn’t a bad pick. At the time he was rated as one of the best point guard prospects in the draft, and was considered the best point guard in Europe, but his contact situation guaranteed that he wouldn’t play for the Jazz for at least two years. (His buyout in 2001 was $5 million, more than $3 million more than his rookie contract would pay in the first year). The buyout dropped for each year that he played for Real Madrid, and by 2002it was finally low enough that Lopez and the Jazz could arrange a buyout.
In the summer of 2002, shortly after the buyout, but before signing his rookie contract, Lopez blew out his knee playing with the Spanish national team. The Jazz decided to offer him the contract anyway, and Lopez signed on with the Jazz. His knee was never right after the surgery, however, and it was clear that he was no longer the same player as he was in Europe.
He went on to play in all 82 games during the 2003-04 season, and posted a PER in the mid-12s. Not exactly an All-Star, but not bad for a backup PG.
Sure
but weren’t we looking for a starting PG by that time? (Or close to it?)
We knew Stockton was nearing the end… and its more that we passed on guys that would’ve helped right away for someone just because he’d stay overseas for an year or 2.
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utesfan
Locke just threw you under the bus on 1320. Do you two have history?
At least he couldn’t insult you, talk over you, and hang up on you though.
I caused the blackout!
by Juan B on May 25, 2010 5:43 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
what did he say?
kinda hard to argue with most of Utesfan’s evaluations. I mean, the draft is a super difficult, very inexact science, but if your purpose is simply to say, “Of the Jazz’s first-round picks, which became productive players?” then I think the evidence is pretty clear.
The next step, I suppose, is to look at EVERYONE’s drafts for the past however long and see how many players have panned out on a team-by-team basis, then compare their performance to KOC’s. (Too much work, though, I’m sure Locke hasn’t done that either.)
Uh, do you think you could draw me like a ninja?
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he actually said SLCDunk was a good blog that he liked
But he said he didn’t like the author of this feature talking about KOC. Whether he realized it was utesfan or thought it was a bbj post, I don’t know.
I actually really liked hearing Locke’s response to this article, although I didn’t agree with all he said—(some fuzzy math); as you would expect, it was slanted in KOC’s favor, but it’s always nice to see the other side.
Nice post utesfan!
Locke’s conclusion was that KOC had an average record when it came to mid to late 1st rounders. But he hit the home run when it counted.
His fuzzy math came into play when he rounded up the numbers in KOC’s favor, when the #’s actually showed he was below average, although only slightly.
I caused the blackout!
by Juan B on May 25, 2010 8:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
When it counts
we’ve had 1 top-5 pick. Heck, we’ve had 1 top-10 pick.
Good he didn’t blow it, but if that makes him a good GM, then something is wrong.
I’m not saying he’s a bad GM… I’m just saying that his late-1st round drafting isn’t something to be proud about.
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Props to bbj and utesfan for the mention
But when your programming is reduced to disproving posts on fan blogs … I mean wow.
by tyrantking on May 25, 2010 10:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I missed it
(no KFAN in India)
but that’s awesome I think.
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That's where I am*
I’m here for another week+.
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Yeah
too much work.
I could maybe do that… but not while I’m sitting here in India.
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