The Downbeat - 30 June 2010 - #261 - The Glass Slipper Edition
by Basketball John on Jun 30, 2010 6:38 AM MDT
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If the Boozer for Lee S&T doesn't entice you, how about a S&T with the Magic for Boozer? According to Ken Berger of CBS Sports, Boozer is on Dwight Howard's want list along with Chris Paul,
Another player on Howard’s short list, sources say, is Utah free agent Carlos Boozer, who would allow Howard to flourish as a defensive and rebounding force without having to handle the bulk of the scoring on the block, too. The capped-out Magic, of course, would have to acquire Boozer via a sign-and-trade arrangement. The Jazz might be enticed by Brandon Bass and free agent J.J. Redick, for starters.
A lot of fans have also thrown out Marcin Gortat's name as well. He would be a better fit than Redick given we just drafted Hayward. This would be a better overall trade for the Jazz than the one for Lee.
I've stated before that if Boozer gets a max deal, it's because some team that crashed and burned going after the big three, will throw the kitchen sink at someone like Boozer because they'll feel pressured to land someone with a big name. The other recipient of such a decision? Perhaps Kyle Korver. He's not going to get anywhere close to a max deal, but he could have a lot of money thrown at him. According to the New York Post, he's one of the Knicks' targets,
The Knicks' pie-in-the-sky dream is for Johnson to verbally agree to a maximum contract and take that news to James tomorrow for their meeting in the Akron, Ohio, area. The Knicks also are sending out front-office officials to other areas at midnight -- expected to be targeting sharpshooters Kyle Korver in Utah, Mike Miller in Orlando and Ray Allen.
The Knicks have room for two max deals but will still have plenty of change left over. His offer won't come until the dust has settled a bit, but it could price him right out of Utah.
The other thing to be watching for when free agency starts tonight is the re-signing of Wesley Matthews. It's my personal belief that it's more important to bring him back than it is Boozer. The Jazz are going to have to match anything that he gets offered. Hopefully something can be worked out before then.
The past couple of seasons have seen the Jazz get burned because they waited to see what the market would be for Miles and Millsap. They should know what the market will be for Matthews and offer him maybe a little bit more than a fair deal to get the job done. They've very much been passive when it comes to their restricted free agents and need to flip that and be aggressive.
After all, they let Brewer go and handed the starting job to Matthews. If they were going to do that, they need to make sure this gets done quickly and show some commitment to the man.
Just a small pet peeve that's related to free agency. Can we just do away with midnight? It confuses everything when you say something like, "Let's meet up at midnight on Thursday." I don't know what you're doing at midnight on a Thursday, but that's your problem.
Anyway, while midnight on Thursday is 12:00 a.m., as in very early Thursday morning, some people think that midnight on Thursday means late Thursday night, right after 11:59:59 p.m.
So let's just do away with midnight and use either 11:59 p.m. or 12:10 a.m. We can add those missed 365 minutes in a leap month or something every four years.
Of course if you use military time, disregard; you're doing it right.
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hurray for early downbeats!
1. (desnews):
The Orlando Sentinel newspaper reported on its website Tuesday that Gortat had said “the Magic told him after the season that they would not ‘hesitate’ to add him in a trade to acquire a star player.”
8. i think they were also headed down the same road with brewer (waiting to see what market brings) before they traded him, which might have been one reason they decided to trade him when they did.
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I agree a s&t with the magic is a much better fit than with Lee. I think we may be underestimating how pissed Millsap will be if he is not our starting PF next year. He has said all the right things to the media, but I think he could be asking for a trade if he doesn’t become the #1 PF.
Also, Deron is smart enough not to say anything to the media but we have seen that he has formed very close ties to a handful of players. If the Jazz end up pissing Millsap off, that could be Deron’s last straw after the Brewer trade last year
Gortat makes much more sense than Lee
we’d be taking on the remainder of his 5yr 6mil a year contract. is he worth that or would we just want to take the full TE we’d get for Booz?
Redick is a possibility but isn’t he an unrestricted FA? he’d need to want to come here and how much would he want?
don't be hatin on my syntax
and how about 10pm?
as I think go time is midnight EST. i can’t wait . . .
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re: Gortat
despite the pleas from @jeskeets who felt that last season adding Gortat would put utah over the top, he’s but a piece of the greater puzzle of interior defense for the Jazz.
he was told they he would not be traded by the front office, but somehow the front office has been suggesting that he is – indeed – on the market. this dissonance can only be explained by the point that Dwight wants another superstar on the team and wants him now. (making role players highly expendable)
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jun 30, 2010 7:34 AM MDT reply actions
question
I assume the deadline is 12:00am ( or 0000 if you want to do it military style) Pacific time.
My "cheap" FA wishlist
because we know the Jazz can’t spend money (after resigning Fes & Matthews, of course)
1- Ian Mahinmi
2- Craig Smith (if we don’t get a PF in a Boozer sign-and-trade)
3- Dorell Wright (if we’re going to sign another wing; he’s above-average defensively)
4- Ben Wallace
As for the trade with Orlando… I guess I’d be fine with Bass/Redick, though I’d want Ryan Anderson as well (heck, I’d want him over Bass, but whatever)
PG- Deron, Price, Gaines (?)
SG- Matthews, Wright
SF- Miles, AK, Hayward
PF- Millsap, Bass, Anderson
C- Mahinmi, Fesenko, Koufos, (Okur)
—> When Okur comes back, he starts, Mahinmi is the back-up
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PG- Deron, Price, Gaines (?)
SG- Matthews, Hayward
SF- Miles, AK, Redick
PF- Millsap, Bass, Anderson
C- Mahinmi, Fesenko, Koufos, (Okur)
—> When Okur comes back, he starts, Mahinmi is the back-up
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Have to bite on that opportunity to get Gortat.
He has a cheap contract and would be a great big man to have in the paint. His contract is cheap enough that David Lee might still be a possibility. But man, it would be difficult to shake off the white persona the Jazz have if we added both of them. Even Deron looks white for being a black man.
Booz to Orlando
I am not Boozer’s fan by any means mainly because of his matador defense, but I like his prospects on Orlando team. With defensive presence of Howard, Boozer can be that missing piece to push the Magic over the top. One is dominant D, the other dominant O.
I thought Boozer was the worst defending PF in the league, until I started watching Amare a bit closer. The two are identical.
1. I haven’t looked at the money to see if it would work but Boozer for Gortat and Bass and then let Fess go…. I might be ok with that. I think we got to keep Boozer though.
2. Interesting. With the drafting of Hayward and the emergence of Wes, you have to think Kyle is questioning his role on the team. I would love to keep him. Did you hear that Paul Pierce opted out? I wonder if he is on the Knicks radar now? That might lessen the chances of the Knicks going for KK. I doubt it, but just throwing that out there.
8. Yeah they got to jump on the Wes.
4. I agree. whenever someone says Thursday at midnight, I never know if it means Thursday night or Thursday morning.
5. $4 mill is my cap for him. Anything over that and we are overpaying him.
I believe it would be great for Boozer to go to Orlando...
… good for him in his career and a good fit for him….
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if either s&t go down
I’m pretty sure we would be the whitest team in history. Bill Simmons would be pleased
I really like Gortat
but his contract is a deal-breaker. There’s still 4 years left on it, and his salary goes up to $7.7M by the fourth year (when Gortat will be 30 years old). The contract is just too cumbersome to make up for any value he brings as a player.
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I can’t even finish reading the post. Howard wants Boozer and Paul? WTF. Come to Utah, Dwight. We have a Paul already.
Allow me this indulgence. Our “big 3” are DWill, Howard, and Boozer. (Matthews & CJ as wings.) Yes I’m dreaming… Sue me.
by chamont on Jun 30, 2010 10:52 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Pinch him... lol
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Might as well add Wade in as the SG and Paul Pierce in as the SF.
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by chamont on Jun 30, 2010 3:17 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
S&T with Magic only if..
…Gortat is included in the deal. Redick and Bass would be such a waste for a good player like Boozer. Gortat’s numbers aren’t impressive, but the guy only plays 13 minutes per game. If you triple that to 36 minutes and assume his numbers would tripple as well, you’d get 10.8pts, 12.6rebs, 2.5blks, and 0.63stls. Of course that’s not always the case, but I think Gortat could be a 15 and 10+ guy with decent blocks if he played starter minutes. And let’s face it, Memo is pretty much out for the next season or at least half of it. Players rarely recover easily from achilles injuries.
I think Boozer for Gortat and Redick plus a future 2nd rounder sounds like a good deal. Matthews is better, but Redick would be a great replacement for Korver at half the cost.
Gortat is alot like Millsap.
For Orlando. That’s why he got a bigger deal last year. ONly they didn’t have issues of teams trying to front load is contract like we did with Millsap.
Gortat would be an awesome starting Center. His stats aren’t all that impressive but he is a hustler and never gives up on a play. The last two playoffs I’ve seen him work his tail end off I’d love him.
I’d want Bass over Reddick. JJ would be a great backup SG to Matthews but I’d much rather see CJ or Hayward fill in that role.
That being said. Where or how does Tomic come over if we land Gortat’s contract? I think it means we won’t get to see Tomic over here except as a bench player. He’s going to be commanding a pretty huge contract over in Europe and the Jazz won’t match it for someone who isn’t going to start/ be third string on the bench. Meaning Tomic would probably stay over there.
I think i’m at the point where I’d rather see what Rod Benson or someone cheap can offer us for a year and then pray that Tomic comes over next year.
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Tomic
…sounds like he has good potential, but he’s an unproven player in the NBA. It would be incredibly stupid to pass on a player like Gortat just to see if Tomic could maybe do something down the road. I don’t think Tomic starts even if Gortat isn’t in the picture, but the fact is Euroleague contracts are like pocket change compared to NBA contracts. If Tomic gets signed to a 1.5mil Euro contract I don’t think the Jazz would have a problem matching that if they really think he’s the next Pau Gasol.
He's going to get alot more
Tomic is regarded as one of the best players in Europe. I could easily see alot more than 1.5 mil Euro’s for him he stays over there. From everything I’ve read, it’s much more likely that he stays in Europe because of the money he’ll make verses coming to the NBA. It should be alot….
I would pass on Gortat for Tomic because I think Tomic is going to be that good. Don’t get me wrong I think Gortat is a very good player would love to see him on the Jazz but If Tomic is baller, I’d hate to see us miss out on him because we have Gortat’s contract.
I’m sure I’m in the minority here but everything points to Tomic being a very decent big man. The only question is whether or not the Jazz can buy out his services.
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