The Downbeat - 9 June 2010 - #246 - The No Max Edition
by Basketball John on Jun 9, 2010 9:51 AM MDT
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The Jazz are going to work out the following players today,
- Gani Lawal
- Patrick Patterson
- Jared Quayle (Utah State, hey! Aggies all the way!)
- Jerome Randle
- Ryan Richards
- Larry Sanders (Yay Booch!)
- Some more info...
Those names aren't as big as previous players that have come in for workouts. Maybe KOC needed something to do on a Wednesday?
We talk a lot about the 9th pick but the Jazz do have a second-rounder as well. I imagine they'll be working out more players that won't be going in the lottery.
From Hoops World,
Luke Babbitt SF - 6'7"- 215
Babbitt is this drafts Cinderella. More than half of the draft class hopes he falls to them, and almost everyone who has seen him raves about his game, basketball IQ and physical tools. The odds that Babbitt goes in the top 15 have moved from 60/40 to more than 90%. The Utah Jazz are said to have him as the #1 player on their draft board and if he is there at #9 the Jazz may have found their draft pick.
KOC stated on the radio that they're going to take the best player available to them and won't be drafting for need. So if the Jazz do draft Babbitt or Henry, the Jazz are still going to have to fill their need for defensive big man. What FAs are out there that fit the bill?
via KNIA/KRLS
Korver was in Iowa to help raise money and had this to say about re-signing with the Jazz,
"I definitely want to hear what Utah has to say," said Korver, who’s planning to visit the Sports Page sporting goods store at roughly 7 tonight. "I’ve really enjoyed my time there — I want to hear them first. But after that, I have no idea.
"You want to be somewhere where you get to play and have a coach that (appreciates) what you do, but you also want to win. You play 82 games and you only win half of them — 41 losses is not a fun year. Being in Utah the last couple of years on winning teams, winning games in the playoffs, that’s really fun and just makes life a lot better and more enjoyable.
Kyle is going to get his pick of teams this season once the big names are signed could get a bit of a raise. He made just over $5M in 2009-10. Coming off a record-setting season, he should be getting more than that with his next deal. Will that be too much for the Jazz to offer? What's the range? $6-8M? He does put a value on winning so he might play for a little less but he could go somewhere where he can get paid and .
Boozer not going to get max money? From the Miami Herald (via BDL),
An official close to the Heat said Miami wants to pursue Carlos Boozer if it cannot get Chris Bosh (its top power forward choice), or, likely, Amare Stoudemire. Boozer would love to play here but would need to accept below his $15.8 million maximum first-year salary.
He might not get max, but he's going to get close to it. I still think that someone that misses out on the LeBron/Bosh/Wade three-headed FA monster will feel a need to use their cap space to show their fanbase that they're trying to compete and will throw a large chunk to Boozer.
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Wow, I'm surprised
At least at this point a lot of my fellow Jazz fans would be willing to say goodbye to Millsap in order to move up 3-5 spots in the draft.
A question for those who voted for option 2 in the poll: Are the players who are projected to go in the 4-6 range really that much better than those projected to go in the 8-9 range? I don’t know much about them, honestly. But I do know that most mock drafts I’ve looked at can’t really agree on much outside of picks 1 and 2. So that tells me it’s kind of a toss up after that.
Furthermore, I think we all know that the Lakers are going to be the team to beat — probably for the next several years. Boozer is SO not the answer. So why keep him around? I don’t dislike him — he’s a fantastic player. But I think we have to look at it like this: if he can’t help us get past the Lakers, he needs to go. That’s just my $ 0.02
My reason for voting for Boozer 4+6
Is that we could land Favors or Cousins and still keep a dominant power forward. I love Millsap but the combination of Favors/ Cousins with Boozer is a VERY good combination. If we can’t keep Boozer than I say no way in heck we trade Millsap.
Favors and Cousins to me are worth trading up for.
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I'm in the minority
I’d put Monroe over Cousins (character issues).
But I agree completely. Especially if we could land Favors.
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I like
Monroe, but Cousins has a presence in the post that is probably surpassed by none in this draft class. He owns the paint when he’s in it and everyone around him knows he owns it.
He has attitude problems but I would be okay with the Jazz grabbing him if they could harness his attitude into nastiness in the post. I would love a big guy with a nasty side in the paint. In fact… it makes me drool just thinking about it.
Favors will be the steal of the draft though. Kid is going to be amazing.
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The problem is
I don’t know if the Jazz could harness his attitude… or if they’d even try.
I’m afraid he just sits in Sloan’s doghouse for 3 years and then disappears
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It's a high risk,
High reward situation.
Favors/Cousins/Monroe + Boozer is still a dang good line up. It would probably mean that Korver is gone for sure though, don’t know if the Jazz would throw 6-8 million on him after keeping Boozer. I would think Fes would probably be gone too just because he doesn’t have a contract and Koof does.
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I'd agree
I’d go with Boozer/Monroe (assuming Favors is going #3)
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Pick #9
Absolutely draft best available!! I would rather sign a fa big man that knows how to play already.
We need a good scorer and defensive player to help DWill. Henry would be amazing with DWill. Babbitt would also be a great scorer who could play SF and be awesome.
Aminu would be the ultimate pick.
Whoever falls to us will be awesome….we can’t really go wrong at #9.
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
by Matt_Grbac on Jun 9, 2010 10:46 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
tough call
It is a tough call, but the biggest thing that the Jazz need to focus on is keeping Memo and Boozer off the floor when the other is on the floor. IF the Jazz can get someone with teh 4 or 5 pick that could step in as a solid defensive athletic center, then Boozer would be the best option.
If not, Millsap is the better option
Kyle Korver
I would keep him over Boozer, Fes, and Matthews.
We have to keep our only legitimate long ball threat. He keeps the defense spread out. He may not be the best defender but he puts in a lot of effort.
I put a big priority on KK.
Also would be nice to snag another young 3pt specialist in the draft…maybe Andy Rautins or Jon Sheyer.
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
by Matt_Grbac on Jun 9, 2010 10:52 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Over matthews?
So you want to remove our best player option at one position for a depth player at another position? No thanks, giving up Matthews for Korver is not acceptable. We have no depth at the SG position and Matthews has proven himself/deserves to be the starter.
I’d rather not weaken one position just to get three point shooters. There should be free agents who can bring a 3 point threat that are cheaper than Korver if he won’t resign.
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I love Sap, but
I would rather have Boozer + Monroe (or Favors if he falls that far) than Millsap + Aldrich or Whiteside or Babbitt or whatever.
And if its all about beating the Lakers… neither Boozer nor Millsap is the answer.
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Agreed -- neither of them is the answer to LA.
However, I think it could be argued that Millsap has historically played better against the Lakers than Boozer. I mean, I could be wrong — I have no stats to back it up, and I’m too busy to look for some. It just feels like Millsap is more successful against LA. Boozer just looks beaten before the game even starts. Millsap doesn’t ever let up.
Regardless — my question is really this: is the player we could get at #4-6 really so much better than the player we can get at #9? I just really don’t think so.
I don't know about Booze/Sap vs. LA
I just know Bynum/Gasol/Odom can own them both.
As for #4-6 vs. #9, I’d say yes.
Obviously, it depends on how you develop the players and stuff.
But I would argue that Greg Monroe/Derrick Favors (if Favors is developed properly) will be much better than Aldrich/Whiteside/Babbitt. Obviously there’s a bust-potential and all, but I think there is a wide enough difference to be impactful.
And while I prefer Millsap to Boozer, we have to remember the Boozer isn’t exactly “over the hill” either.
I’m done… I can’t believe I’m actually advocating Boozer over Millsap.
What has happened to me?
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lol -- have you been hanging with Locke? ;)
I must have missed something though, because I thought Monroe was projected to go around 8-9 anyway. Don’t a lot of people have the Jazz taking Monroe at #9? Or am I super out-of-the-loop?
Monroe has been rising
he probably won’t fall past #7
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And I really hope I haven't been hanging with Locke
I don’t think he likes me (or at least not my opinions that I make known online)
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For real
Favors/ Cousins + Boozer is a MUCH better combination than Millsap + a big at #9
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Isn't this a no brainer?!
Boozer IS better than Millsap. No question. So getting a higher draft pick with Boozer is the obvious choice in terms of talent.
The only real issues are finances and committing to a guy that may be benched with injuries.
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by Alexandria VA on Jun 9, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
There's also the question...
of whether or not Millsap can still develop into a better offensive presence.
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I liked the improvement I saw in Millsap's jump shot this season...
But Booze is just downright pretty around the basket. Yes the last we saw of him he was getting swatted left and right, but in terms of skill and footwork around the basket, there may not be a better PF on offense in the NBA. Plus, I swear he never misses that rainbow elbow jumper, even if the shot does start by touching the ball to the back of his neck.
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by Alexandria VA on Jun 9, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess I've got no brains then...
…cause I don’t see it that way. “Better” is such a subjective term. Is Boozer more skilled offensively? Yes. He often draws double teams which opens things up. And he’s a threat with both hands. But Millsap is capable of scoring just as many points, just as consistently as Booze. Defensively? Edge: Millsap (by a landslide) No way in hell anyone can say Booze is a better defender than Sap. Rebounding? I’d say it’s about even. Maybe a slight edge to Booze, but only when he gets away with a shove in the back… Heart? Edge: Millsap. Team player? Edge: Millsap. Durability? Edge: Millsap.
I dunno. I’m just saying.
You forgot to mention
contract. Millsap gets an edge cause his contract is much better.
Still the combination of Boozer plus a 4-6 range rookie is pretty hard to pass up. Millsap or not.
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The question then is...
can you run your offense around Millsap like you can around Boozer?
At this point, I’d have to lean towards no.
Not saying he’s not capable, but I don’t think he’s a “2nd option” (behind Deron) offensively
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Yeah, that's a fair point.
We’ll never know though until he gets a chance to prove it. But remember when Boozer was out for an extended period a couple of seasons ago? (I think he had a hangnail or papercut — if I remember right…) I thought Millsap filled in brilliantly. And there’s always the possibility of letting AK play some minutes at the 4, which is where he does his best work.
+47
One plus of having to lose either Boozer or Millsap is the possibility of seeing more AK at the 4. Guys step up, we may not lose as much as we think.
We just have to stay healthy!!!
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by Alexandria VA on Jun 9, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Unless
we trade him….
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A possibility
AK loves Utah though. Getting AK for about 10 million less a year in 2011 sounds pretty good.
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by Alexandria VA on Jun 9, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Moni would slap you for even suggesting it! :)
It is a possibility. I really hope we keep AK around though. I can’t think of another player in the league that gives you what AK can give you. When he’s on. And he’s not hurt…
I agree.
Ak for 7-8 million a year next year is nice to think about. Still though, there are a few scenerios that would make parting with AK an okay move by me.
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I love AK at the 4
Millsap though…
1- Foul trouble worries me. Immensely.
2- I might be the only one, but I still cringe when he’s setting up for a jumper.
3- I don’t see running the offense through him as a viable option. He’s not a teams “2nd option” I don’t think
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as long as we can get a decent backup for him
i’d take the chance and try sap out. who knows? maybe he’ll get less phantom foul calls as a starter. and maybe the offense can be tweaked and run through him—not in the same way, but still effectively. we won’t know until we try it out.
True
but if we try it and it doesn’t work, then we’re in trouble.
Our first 2 options right now are (or should be) Deron & Booze. If you lose Booze, and Okur’s out… that leaves Sap as the #2 option. I don’t think he can fill that roll.
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if it doesn't work
then the jazz can move on and try something else. i just think this path is worth exploring instead of assuming it won’t work and working around it, if that makes sense.
I don't know if we're in a position to try this
given that we have an option we know works (Boozer… when healthy, I’ll admit).
The Jazz seem to believe (or they did) that they were just 1 piece away… losing the #2 option from that isn’t going to help anything.
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We also
Don’t know what would happen if Boozer had a decent Center next to him who wasn’t hanging out around the outside half the time looking for a three, or who struggles playing defense just as much as himself.
Plus, this pretty much means we’d have to keep AK for 4 depth behind Boozer. That should make you somewhat happy.
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There's no denying Boozer leaves something to be desired on defense.
I guess I would just love to keep Boozer’s offensive prowess and add a big that can help erase some of the liabilities Boozer creates on defense.
And as far as rebounding, Boozer is a seriously skilled defensive rebounder. One of the best.
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by Alexandria VA on Jun 9, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
I’m not going to say Monroe is the best option for defensive help in this case (Aldrich probably is… unless you want super high risk like Whiteside), but he’s a viable option, I think
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Honestly,
I think Aldrich and Monroe are about even as far as defense goes. Neither one of they really exerts a huge presence in the paint. They both can disappear at times. Aldrich has a bigger reach but Monroe is better in isolation.
I’d much rather have monroe than Aldrich. Aldrich is dropping down my bored.
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Oh
and Monroe is an AMAZING passer for a big man. That would boost Boozer or Millsaps stats by itself.
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I can only think of one thing after reading that blurb about Babbitt: Joe Alexander; a SF who managed to impress everyone during pre-draft workouts and worked his way into the top 10, but ended up showing everyone when the season started why he wasn’t considered a lottery pick to begin with.
"OK, let’s do this. Let’s play the basketball." - Fes
Harpring
I read his profile on NBAdraft.net, and save for the fact he seems to have a jumper and isn’t exactly going to bother you defensively, he sounds just like Matt Harpring.
Or maybe he sounds exactly like Kyle Korver?…
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Not a bad thing
Babbitt can shoot better than Harpring…and probably better than Korver except 3’s.
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
by Matt_Grbac on Jun 9, 2010 11:49 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
but he won’t be the annoyance on defense Harpring was either.
I just don’t see the next Matt Harpring/Kyle Korver being worth the #9 pick in the draft.
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Enough will the Joe Alexander Comparisons.
As has been stated elsewhere, Alexander was an athlete first and a basketball player second, Babbitt is the opposite.
Babbitt is an intelligent player who can create his own shot with either his craftiness or his athleticism. PLUS, the kids got RANGE! Pure Shooter.
In the combine shooting drills he made:
College 3: 21/25 (84.0%)
NBA 3: 19/25 (76.0%)
Shooting off the dribble 15’-18’ Jumpers: 16/24 ( 66.7%)
Let’s not forget he shot 91.7% from the free throw line last season.
Yes, its easy to slobber over his draft measurements (37.5" vert, bench 185 lbs 15x, ¾ court sprint in 3.4 seconds, lane agility in 10.98) that compare to Blake Griffins (35.5" vert, bench 185 lbs 22x, ¾ court sprint in 3.28 seconds, lane agility in 10.95). The kid is an inch short than Blake at 6’9" with shoes, but has an identical wingspan of 6’ 11.25". But you aren’t drafting his physical tools, you are drafting a pure shooter whose brain is a miniature basketball universe. The physical measurements simply confirm that he will be able to do in the NBA what he did in college. 22 pts/g.
No offense Kyle or Matt, but this kid is going to better than you.
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by Alexandria VA on Jun 9, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Babbit
is white…. Just sayin.
Jk JK.
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from seeing
what the scouts are saying about this kid i would rather trade our #9 to about 10-15 with one of those teams with these picks and get some extra picks. Draft Babbit (i really lilke the way this kid shoots).
Bring Boozer back cuz it seems no teeam is willing to give him a max contract.
Use our other picks in getting another defender say like a Jarvis Varnado.
I wouldn't mind Babbitt if we traded down a bit
I don’t know how far he’ll fall … he seems to be rising.
If we bring Boozer back, what do you do with Millsap?
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like the second option
Trade Milsapp I know there is a team out there that would be willing to give up a high 1st round pick for him
But then you odn't have the #9
pick to trade back with. You would be trading millsap + #9 for a 1-6 draft pick. Which means you can’t take Babbit, and you wouldn’t trade back cause you just traded up to get a higher draft pick.
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Alternative option
Trade down from #9 to pick up Babbitt later and add a 2nd rounder or late 1st or something.
Trade Millsap for a mid-1st pick and add someone like Lawal?
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I would say
Keep the #9. Draft babbit there so you know for sure you get your guy.
Then:
Trade Millsap for a mid first round pick and draft a high risk high reward center. Alabi or Whiteside.
Then resign Boozer.
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I think Greg Miller needs to be ready....
to pay luxury tax for 1 year in order to resign Boozer. Then AKs contract comes off the books.
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by Alexandria VA on Jun 9, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
That would
be the perfect scenario right there. We wont lose the scoring Boozer brings us.
We will get a shooter with size in draft. (BABBIT)
And a Big that Sloan can coach up
I think then Korver walks to free up money for booz.
I’m okay with that. Love kyle but may be nexcessary
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by Alexandria VA on Jun 9, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
He would.
If Boozer comes back you can pretty much say goodbye to Korver. Maybe even Fes too.
You’d replace Korver with Babbit anyways though, so it would work out.
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I was never really high on Fes
For someone with that much size its frustrating to see him t feet away from the rim and not be able to go up strong and dunk over Pau in the playoffs. I know u cant teach 7’ 2 but he was always so out of place out there it was comical watching him
I'd rather have Fes
Than Koof. That’s just me but Koof still has a contract.
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Maybe we can
Trade Koof + Millsap for a draft pick.
Then use th emoney saved on Koof to resign Fes? lol
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Get a lot of what Korver gives with Babbit and soon it will be more. (FT%, 3 pointers)
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by Alexandria VA on Jun 9, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
We all know
That with Korvers production this year he wil be sought after.
If Korver was a better defender I would love for the Jazz to bring him back.
I would rather use our MLE on Mathews
I bet Portland
would be willing to trade away there pick or for one of there bigs. Portland seem to be really high on Sapp I bet they would go for it
Curious...
who did 1280 talk about moving up with?
1- Washington. Not happening.
2- Philadelphia. They’d want us to take Brand back. Not worth it.
3- New Jersey. I guess this makes sense, but what do they get by moving back to #9 then? Unless they prefer Millsap to Favors, its a questionable move.
4- Minnesota. They already have a problem with Jefferson & Love, adding another big in Millsap seems pointless
5- Sacramento. Landry. Thompson. Hawes. No space for Millsap
6- Golden State. Maybe
7- Detroit. By this point, trading up doesn’t net you enough for Millsap, I don’t think
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New Jersey
with an Ak trade is a possibility.
Philadephia might be willing to move down in a move with Dalembert.
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If we trade up with Philly
I think we target Evan Turner, not Favors. Especially if we can get Dalembert out of it.
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Probably
I’d be okay with that as long as we got Dalembert who’s a decent center and relatively young.
However, we could take Favors and play him as a PF while he develops behind Millsap. I’m really high on Favors. I almost would take him over Wall.
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I agree with you
Favors by far best big man in draft. He will be the next Amare. He would be awesome for us!
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"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
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I think even better than
Amare. Favors has the same Body type that Dwight Howard had before he put on weight. If Favors bulked up and kept his athleticism he could easily be another Howard. Except with a better outside game then Howard.
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If he is anything in the pros like Amare or Dwight we need to trade up to get him!
He would shut that hippy Gasol down!!
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"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
by Matt_Grbac on Jun 9, 2010 4:05 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
He
would be the only player I would trade up for. If it’s in anyway possible to land Favors in the draft, I think the Jazz should do it. Save trading away D-Will, or a combination of starters.
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Is everyone crazy?
Why on earth would we want to keep Boozer over Millsap? Who’s proposing to trade for Millsap? Millsap gives us the same production (if not better counting defense) as Boozer for half the cost! Portland gave it to us in the arse last season on Millsap’s contract, but this season he’s a total steal. Boozer has to go. It’s over. Anyone telling you that we are going to keep the current team together AND add significant improvements is delusional, lying or trying to sell you season tickets (I’m looking at you Locke). That’s not how the league works, that’s not how the Jazz work and that’s not how reality works. Make the best pick you can at #9, try to get something back for Boozer, try to resign Wes, Fes and KK and hope the front office gets lucky with something during the season. That’s reality.
Because the trade
is Millsap + #9 to move up to 1-6 where we can ge ta better player than millsap and keep Boozer. It’s that combination that makes millsap expendable.
Boozer + Favors/Cousins/Monroe is alot better than Millsap + whomever is left at #9.
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No. Millsap isn't expendable, because he is so cheap.
Resigning Boozer is thrown out there as some foregone conclusion, but what you are failing to recognize is that if the Jazz trade Millsap and IF they can convince Boozer to stick around, it is going to cost them at least $13-14 million, so they are paying an extra $7-8 million.
So the poll really is Millsap + 9th pick or…
Boozer +1-6 pick + $8 million in expenses.
If you are getting a top 3 pick, maybe it is worth it. But getting Monroe instead of Henry or Babbitt or Aldrich isn’t worth the extra $7 million.
That is why trading AK for the 2nd pick is so smart. It doesn’t send you into the luxury tax this season, but re-signing Boozer, even if you trade Millsap, puts you into the LT unless you drop contracts like a bad habit ala Maynor.
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It is if
You are landing Favors/Cousins which is a total possibility. Millsap becomes more expendable because he has a small contract. If we were paying him more he wouldn’t garner as much interest.
Boozer and Favors or Cousins has the possibility of happening and being a great backcourt, well that makes Millsap tradable in my opinion.
He’s good, and he’s cheap, that’s something teams look at. That being said and I am totally on the Millsap bandwagon if he’s our starting PF going forward.
I don’t want Aldrich. Ew. =)
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finally some reason
what is everyone thinking with Boozer? Did you guys watch how boozer got manhandled against the lakers? Its Not worth moving up like 3 picks to keep him at 14 million a year.
I also
watched Boozer have a great season and bounce back after a tough year and offseason. It’s not worth it if you end up with the 6th pick but if you can land the 1-4 picks and be able to grab Cousins or Favors, eating 14 million a year for a PF who is very good and getting an awesome center who could make up for Boozer’s defensive liabilities. It might be worth it.
Everyone seems to be begging for something BIG to happen this offseason but no one wants to part with the players that can shake things up. AK and Millsap are our best trade assets. You gotta give something in order to get something in return.
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I don't want to hear anyone say that an available center would "cover up" Boozer's defensive deficiencies.
Only Dwight Howard is going to do that. Boozer is so bad at defense that he literally cripples the entire defensive unit. A guy like Dwight Howard can cover up how bad Boozer is, but nobody else can. You need a guy who is long and tall enough to alter shots and then athletic enough to get back on his man that he left in order to cover Boozer’s man. You can’t name a poor defender at the 4 who is covered up by a defensive center unless that 4 is playing on the wing. You can’t do it.
Cousins isn’t athletic enough to cover Boozer’s defensive deficiencies.
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They don't have to be able to
cover all of Boozer’s flaws in order for it to make a difference. Even partly clogging the paint and playing defense could be enough to make a difference. Plus you can’t say that no one would be able to help Boozer, he’s never had a decent defensive Center to play next to.
Okur is just as awful at defense, Collins was never anything special, Fes hasn’t been brought along all that much but when he did play well it helped Boozer (denver series).
Not only that, the Jazz have been able to win with Boozer and his awful defense as well as awful center defense. If you can fix one issue doesn’t that should be a huge step up.
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Boozer's numbers defensively
(at least blocks…) were much better playing alongside Ilgauskas than they were playing alongside Okur.
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Hm..
maybe I was thinking of something else.
Nevermind that then.
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Cleveland:
81 GP, 50 blocks
75 GP, 55 blocks
Utah
81 GP, 41 blocks
74 GP, 21 blocks
78 GP, 36 blocks
Even when playing the same number of games, his block numbers here have been lower. Not by much in the larger scheme, I admit, but still.
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Isn’t even that great of a Center. He’s decent but compared to what Favors/Cousins could be….
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True
but 4 or 5 years ago, he was more of a presence defensively than Okur is right now.
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i couldn't agree more
the reason that i was ok when our season ended is because i was so ready to move on from the boozer era. do we really want to end up being eliminated (or eliminated AND swept) by the lakers every year? because that is what will happen as long as boozer is our starting PF, no matter who we have at center.
having him on the books for more years at $15mill would cripple us and keep us crippled (financially AND on defense).
as or boozer bouncing back after a tough year and offseason, he only has himself to blame for it being tough. if he hadn’t gone on his summer radio tour shooting his mouth off and creating all this drama, it would have been an uneventful year and offseason. if he had trouble focusing on basketball, it was his own fault.
Here's the thing...
Millsap isn’t the answer (against the Lakers) either.
To counter them, we’d need like 2 very athletic 7-footers (or so).
Boozer isn’t the answer. Nor is Millsap.
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Everyone is acting like Millsap is going to save us all from being swept by the Lakers. He can’t. He plays better defense than Boozer but not enough to change games. Odom killed him a few games too.
Plus I don’t get the luxary tax argument. Everyon wants us to go over the Luxary Tax and try to grab Bosh or Amare or some other superstar but it’s the exact same situation as if we had Boozer. Or if we grabbed a decent Center. The fact is you have to pay money to have good players.
We are all somewhat tired of the Boozer situation but the situation changes if we can land a guy like Favors or Cousins in the draft.
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i don't think anyone really thinks sap is going to help us beat the lakers
but he could be an impt part of a team that does. even if he’s outsized or overmatched, he’s not standing around on one end of the floor while chucking jumpers at the other end.
say what you want about boozer’s offensive skills (which are good, esp around the basket), but at the end of the day, when we needed him to step up and be that #1 or 2 offensive option, all he did was shoot more jumpers. and when they didn’t go in, he just kept jumping them instead of trying something else. he was hurting us on both ends of the floor, and if we have to go through the lakers, it doesn’t matter that he gets 20/10 against non-playoff teams during the rest of the season.
btw, i don’t think bosh or amare are the answer either. both also play awful D. whenever the jazz played toronto, bosh and boozer basically just rolled out the red carpet for each other.
Unless you are the Celtics or the Lakers, you have to have great players for good bargains, or else you can't compete.
Millsap at 6.5 million is an absolute bargain. Boozer at anything over 8 million, isn’t a bargain.
I don’t want the Jazz to go into the luxury tax to sign Bosh or Stoudemire. I only want the Jazz to pay the luxury tax if they have a championship team. Boozer isn’t part of our championship team here. He had 5 good years to try and get us there. He can’t.
You can’t be a small market, championship team and overpay lots of players. AK is overpaid, but wont be in a year. If Boozer gets more than about 10 million, he becomes overpaid.
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That's why
Millsap is tradable though. That’s why he’s a good asset to garner worth from. He has a decent contract for a very good player. His stock is high now as well. I love Millsap. I’d be fine with him starting as our PF, but if he can move us in to the top 1-5 for a draft pick and we can still keep Boozer, I think it’s a move that is worth looking at.
Millsap could flop too. He could fail miserably as the starting PF. The truth is, we don’t know what to expect with Millsap. We’ve got a hankering that he’ll be a decent player but that’s all, especially as someone to run an offense through. We know what we’ve got with Boozer. He’s a top 5 PF who is exceptional around the basket, has a decent jumpshot, sucks at defense, is awesome at passing, and sometimes speaks before thinking.
Say what you will, but in 3-4 years when we are looking back on this draft. I have a gut feeling if we had a chance to trade up for Favors and we didn’t jump on it, we could be kicking ourselves at the kind of player he turns into. Not saying that who we get at #9 won’t be decent, but Favors is the man of the draft and he fills a hole the Jazz have had for decades. An athletic Center.
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I think we have already established that none of the teams in the top 3 are taking Millsap and the 9 for their pick, so you can forget about Favors.
What we are really arguing is: Would it be worth trading Millsap and keeping Boozer to get Monroe or Aminu rather than Aldrich or Henry?
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I'd prefer Henry to Aminu
but I think Boozer + Monroe > Millsap + Aldrich (even considering the money difference)
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Cousins
has dropped all the way to #5 in the latest Mock Drafts. There are still possibilities. There could even be three way trades that swing a top 1-5 draft pick to us. Straight up not likely but there is no sense in closing a door if it doesn’t need to be closed.
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Millsap is probably one of the most tradeable assets we have. Probably 25 of the 32 teams would trade for him without even thinking about it.
That’s usually the type of player you want to keep.
We will see what Boozer is offered, but judging from last offseason, other teams don’t want him that much.
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Boozer
not having a big market only help us then because his contract demands and leverage go down…. So we could sign him for less.
I think you’re wrong though, who ever misses out on Bosh is going to want Boozer. I think even over Amare because Boozer has less character issues.
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true, but in comparing the two, millsap was better able to score inside than boozer
in the lakers series even though he’s smaller.
True
but he had just as much trouble trying to stop Gasol/Odom/Bynum.
I can’t comment much on the Lakers series this year… I missed it… so I don’t know about their offensive performances.
I think the problem is that if Booze gets rejected a couple times, he stops going inside and starts settling for jumpers. I think this works better if the Jazz have another presence inside offensively. Okur is not that. Nor is Millsap.
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