A lot of stats comparing Al Harrington, Al Jefferson and Carlos Boozer
by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 9:27 PM MDT
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PrintI was just quietly minding my own business tonight. Looking up info to break down the SF and PF position and dividing the minutes there between Andrei Kirilenko, Paul Millsap, C.J. Miles, Gordon Hayward, Jeremy Evans and maybe even Mehmet Okur too. You see, we could do anything there now that Carlos Boozer was gone. And I for sure felt like Al Harrington would be a bad match. Well, Al Jefferson (and more accurately, Greg Miller) decided to ruin my party. So here are stats. They show Career Regular Season; Career Playoffs; Combined stats for the last two regular seasons (2008-2009 and 2009-2010); and their most recent playoff performance. (I am not including any analysis here, just the stats. I still don't know what's up and I'm not going to jump the gun and trash a guy who may or may not be actually come to our team)
This was initially supposed to be looking at Harrington vs. Millsap / Kirilenko, but well, FORGET ABOUT THAT NOW!
Career Regular Seasons:
Career Playoffs:
Combined 2008-2009 and 2009-2010 Regular Seasons:
Most Recent playoff performance:
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can you believe that there’s a 6’9 guy in the nba who blocks less shots than boozer? that would be harrington
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 9:31 PM MDT reply actions
So, over the past 2 seasons...
Jefferson > Boozer?
Am I reading that right?
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Seem
like a wash offensively at least.
by scrantonicity33 on Jul 12, 2010 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions
True
but considering he was supposed to be worse offensively & worse defensively, I’ll take it
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jefferson gives you blocks, which is nice
but he’s not nearly as good at scoring as boozer (and really, boozer does score well, he’s no malone — but as we saw previously, millsap in the playoffs was better than boozer was)
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
Seems like it’s close to done so I have to start supporting the move and stop bitching about it.
by scrantonicity33 on Jul 12, 2010 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
They were
from Jefferson’s rookie year though so it’s hard to compare.
by scrantonicity33 on Jul 12, 2010 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
well, we've always been a strong REGULAR SEASON team . . .
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
consider the teammates.
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sorry, that made me think of "consider the lillies"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czBBKof7Yo
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions
I think he'll benefit from the sloan bump.
Also, who was going to run the pick and roll with Deron? Millsap gets his points but it’s through hustle and creativity. This will at least be interesting to watch.
by tyrantking on Jul 12, 2010 9:41 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
remember that regular season game vs. the (future champion) celtics?
where booz was hurt and millsap made key moves down the stretch to the win the game (step back jumpers, etc)?
that was a cool game.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I loved that game.
I remember Garnett asking other people to check Millsap because Millsap was abusing him. Good times.
by scrantonicity33 on Jul 12, 2010 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
good thing we're looking to bring that energy off the bench for the 19th year in a row (sarcasm)
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Seriously
Whenever I watch millsap all I can think is how lucky he is. But then he pulls off something else crazy the next time down the court. Or you’ll look at a box score and see he has 20 points and have no idea when that happened.
by tyrantking on Jul 12, 2010 9:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Jazz
should be one of the more efficient offensive teams again no? That’s good at least.
by scrantonicity33 on Jul 12, 2010 9:43 PM MDT reply actions
However,
the best offense is a good defense, no?
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Looks like a guy you could use.
Especially with Okur out for a little while. But does taking Jefferson with your trade exception mean that Matthews does not get matched? Absorbing Jefferson’s contract puts you guys in the Luxury Tax as it is. Just curious to see what you guys thought about that.
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
We
won’t use our MLE on Jefferson.
At least I don’t think that’s how the MLE works.
I do think it means we probably won’t match Matthews though. Maybe, but I kinda doubt it though.
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I was thinking
the Jazz weren’t going to match anyway. I don’t think this would change it either way.
Maybe the Jazz go after Shannon Brown with their mid-level?
by scrantonicity33 on Jul 12, 2010 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
He's one of the only decent SG's left
It’s either resign Matthews
Or look at guys like Roger Mason and Shannon Brown at SG. Al harrington is likely to sign with Toronto now.
I guess we could move Miles to SG and try to sign a SF but there aren’t many of those left either.
I’m kinda hoping we try get Matt Barnes to come off the bench. I want his nastiness off the bench.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Nah, it would be your trade exception from Boozer.
Now, under the CBA, I believe that you can’t package the trade exception with anything. So it would be a straight absorbtion of Jefferson’s contract. You would still have the MLE, but I don’t know how your ownership feels about the Luxury Tax. That’s probably the deciding factor right there.
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
right.
sorry, didn’t get my response up quickly enough. My guess would be that absorbing Jefferson’s contract will make re-signing Matthews too much of a financial hit to take.
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That's why I think
Matthews might be gone.
We’ll eb at the Lux tax with Jefferson and still need to sign 4 players. I’m guessing we get a cheap SG with the MLE and a back up SF or SG with the biannual or the rest of the MLE. Resign Fes and take someone from the summer league
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you're right, but that's not the issue.
What Darkstar is saying is that the Jefferson deal will already put us over the tax. Matching on Matthews is still possible with the MLE, but that will ALSO add to our total roster salary, pushing us FURTHER into the tax. So the question is, are the Jazz willing to pay that dollar-for-dollar penalty by matching. My guess is no.
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I hope not
no more mid-season trading of guys for no one, please.
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If there’s another similar Maynor dump I will be pissed, especially when management says they are willing to pay the luxury tax to field a contender.
by scrantonicity33 on Jul 12, 2010 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Even with Matthews & Jefferson
and whoever else you wanna name, the Jazz are not a contender this year, so why pay the tax?
You
never know.
Sometimes the Tampa Bay Rays make the World Series………
Sometimes Butler makes the Tourny Final…..
Sometimes Utah goes undefeated.
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But more times than not
the Yankees/Red Sox win the WS
Duke wins the final game
the Big-6 schools get in, and everyone else gets shafted.
Not saying its impossible, but it’d take a ton of luck (and the Lakers losing early)
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Red
Sox hardly ever win. Lol
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I
was just being a smarta$$.
I get your point.
I like the LIttle Giants mentality. All you need is one time…..
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I should have been more specific
Why would the Jazz Front Office think they’re not a contender? Why would they add a guy who ruins all cap flexibility for the future, who will put the team into luxury tax territory by himself …
Why would they do this if they didn’t see this as a championship contending move?
I certainly am not ridiculously high on it, but the Jazz front office must be or they wouldn’t be doing it.
And if they think they are a championship contender, why go cheap after adding this guy? Why not add the best SG available, regardless of cost (and his price isn’t THAT much, despite all the moaning and whining)?
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Agreed
They are making decent moves. WHy not make the smart ones too like keeping Matthews
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It's like swimming with a bunch of frenzied sharks for
$1,000,000 jackpot. But then keeping out your left foot to be “safe” — even though you’ve already got your head under water and using your left foot would make survival much more likely.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
LOL
The visual of that made me laugh.
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I love analogies.
And yours is great.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 14, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions
for the reason Ross just put on his Twitter.
If the AJ deal goes through, we will have almost $50M committed to D-Will, Jefferson, Okur, and Millsap in 2011-12. With Matthews that becomes $56M. So we’d have $2M, the MLE and the biannual to get EIGHT more players.
Yikes.
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Yay for the relief
that AK’s contract coming off the books was supposed to bring
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because the price is doubled when you are over the luxury tax
because they can’t afford to do it and wouldn’t even consider it unless the team were likely to make the finals – which they aren’t.. none of these moves are going to put them over the top or help beat the Lakers… what’s the point in paying through the nose to build a team that makes the playoffs and little more…
Then why trade for Jefferson in the first place?
They could resign Matthews, forget about Jefferson and still make the 2nd round of the playoffs — all without touching luxury tax territory.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
IT'S A CONUNDRUM
I dunno, man. I’d have preferred that second option, I think.
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Losing Boozer & Korver, adding Hayward...
enough to still make it to the 2nd round?
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Ever heard of the Ewing theory?
Proves true time after time after time after time again.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Or go look at what the stats say about the Jazz over the past 2 years
specifically winning percentage.
They have had identical records with Boozer starting and with Boozer out but Millsap starting.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Sure
but now you don’t have anyone behind Sap, plus Okur missing 2 months
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AK
?
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He
Is someone behind Sap and a very decent someone behind him.
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I love Memo
but he had a really, really down year (at least until his baby was born).
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
True.. I keep thinking of him as a 3
But that’s because that’s where I see him starting with Matthews gone.
Still question at center
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Jefferson trade only makes sense
if you believe it will put the team over the top. You may not think that. I’m skeptical that it will.
But the Front Office must think that … or else the trade makes no sense whatsoever. Or maybe Kevin and Greg have been smoking weed in the bathroom and suddenly got real dreamy
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Or
they’re just trying to do something (anything) to keep the team competitive for the playoffs. They lost Boozer and needed to replace him, so they went with someone else.
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feels like this is more correct
I don’t exactly agree, but that’s the only thing that makes sense.
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Yep
I really hope I’m wrong, but thats really what it seems like.
Especially given that its almost like Boozer, v.2.0
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are the jazz favorites against the lakers?
no. but then again, no matter what anyone in the west does, they won’t be. however, those teams need to stay in a position to have a great chance if kobe sprains an ankle next april, and i think this move puts us in that position.
by bigdog'sshades on Jul 12, 2010 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions
greg miller should take donations from fans aside from ticket revinue . . .
the “if you want a winner, you’ll pay for one” charity
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd
give him my life savings.
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btw, a big red flag for me is in shooting worth and shooting frequency
Jefferson shots are worth way less than average (being 1.22 average), and got a lot of scoring done — off of shooting a lot. one shot every 2 minutes.
his stats are going to be humblingly low next year if he’s on the jazz, unless there’s a BIG boost that we all imagine there automatically is when playing for the jazz / sloan. (how true is this though? do we know?)
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 10:09 PM MDT reply actions
At the
Center position I can live with that. If he’s playing PF, then that will hurt cause our offense runs through PFs.
At the very least at least he’ll take some scoring pressure off Milsap.
Sigh.
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(how true is this though? do we know?)
Um… you calculate the numbers.
We just look at them in awe.
So hopefully that was a rhetorical question.
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well, I guess we'll have a good look at boozer's stats next season for sure . . .
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
True
I wonder. If you look at like Boozer before Utah and during Utah, and Okur in the same span, and … who else has there been? Tom Gugliotta?
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Playing
with D-Will has to enhance his shooting worth no? He had been playing with some pretty crappy PG’s in Minnesota I believe. That has to help a little bit.
by scrantonicity33 on Jul 12, 2010 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm behind, and you guys already know.
But Tim Buckley has posted that Al Jefferson probably a done deal.
"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Yea
We are pretty sure it’s a done deal.
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At the least
we’re all assuming its done and Jefferson is already on the team.
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So
are we looking at this starting lineup?
Pg: Williams
Sg: Miles
Sf: AK
Pf: Milsap
C: Jefferson
Cause that gives us a height advantage in the backcourt but a very small front court.
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What depth do we have at SG?
We have Hayward and nobody else to back up CJ at the 2-spot.
I haven’t been following the comment threads closely – has anybody brought up Matt Barnes? It looks like he is not going to return to Orlando now that Q-Rich signed with them. He plays good defense and can hit the occasional 3-ptr. A little too gratuitous with the tattoos, but he is a scrappy and TOUGH player. If we lose OMSW, do we go after Barnes, a more experienced veteran?
by moneyman memo on Jul 12, 2010 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I really
have been advocating Barnes since Free agency began. He can’t start anymore which was his big problem in orlando. He’ll be great off the bench though. I think he is more of SF though.
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Money-wise
how much ever Q signed for in Orlando wasn’t enough for Barnes.
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Q
is getting Reddick’s place isn’t he?
he’s not replacing Barnes. I don’t think that Barnes said no to Q’s money.. or did I miss that?
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What I was reading on twitter today
was that they offered Barnes, he said no, and they took the same offer to Q. He said yes, he got the deal.
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Oh dang.
What was Q’s offer?
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yea but money is drying up fast
he’s looking for a multi-year deal as opposed to salary – that’s why he opted out of his last year with Orlando. He certainly can shoot it plenty to be a SG, and he has the size to defend players like Kobe, Melo, etc…
We really need a good defender at the 2. This next week is going to be very stressful.
by moneyman memo on Jul 12, 2010 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
We might be banking
On Ak having to defend Kobe and melo. Or CJ and Hayward.
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very possible
just depends on how far we are willing to go into the luxury tax. The Jefferson deal will put us there already. But we can still use part or all of the MLE and the biannual exception to sign whomever is still out there. The downside is that every dollar we spend over the tax means a two dollar penalty to the league. The Jazz FO will surely want to minimize the amount of that penalty.
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eyeing Jefferson's split stats against the Lakers (ESPN)
over the last couple of years vs. Boozers . . . it seems Jefferson might very well be a plus for us there.
i'm so stoked for this deal
during the past few years, jefferson seemed like a player who was just waiting to explode if he had some decent talent around him. all those stats above make him seem crappy because he came in to the league so young and struggled early on. i think he’ll outperform boozer’s jazz stats on the offensive end, and actually provide some legit defensive presence. Is there a better hope in the West to slow down the Lakers’ frontcourt than Jefferson/Millsap/Okur/AK if all are healthy next spring?
by bigdog'sshades on Jul 12, 2010 10:23 PM MDT reply actions
Dirk,
Haywood, and all the bigs that Dallas have.
The THunder are only getting better too.
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Okay, I'm calming down a bit
I was only able to glance at the idea while at grad school tonight.
Al will be the center. There really aren’t THAT many big dominant centers in the league. Lakers will still be a big problem, but still against them a frontline of Al, Millsap, and AK > Boozer, Millsap, AK. > as in bigger and > as in more effective on both ends.
He’s not great defensively. But again, Al, Millsap, and AK > Boozer, Millsap, AK > Boozer, Memo, AK.
The trade doesn’t thrill me, but it could work out
IF
1. Al doesn’t try to be a 20-10 guy. The Jazz will be better with points and touches distributed equally between Al, Millsap and AK
2. Al works on his defense. He’s not great defensively, but it’s also worth remembering he has NEVER had a decent coach or a decent team.
And most importantly
IF
3. This is a sign the Jazz are ready to go for broke, gung-ho into luxury tax territory for 1 more year to put the absolutely best team on the floor—and that means resigning Wesley too.
Otherwise this will backfire. The backcourt will either suddenly be really thin or will be plugged in with a bunch of randoms so we can enjoy watching Corey Brewer score 58 in another inexplicable T-Wolves win.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
by Yucca Man on Jul 12, 2010 10:39 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
And I know a bunch of gloomies are going to say
this means Jazz won’t resign Wesley. Let me keep hoping for 7 more days.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
okay, I'll be a gloomie
If/when the Jefferson deal goes down, there’s no way we match on Matthews. We traded away Maynor and Brewer to save tax penalty dollars, you really think we’re going to SIGN a player that will essentially cost us those dollars and more?
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If he
is the best SG available we might have to….
There is still hope for OMSW
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there is always hope
AK is sub-par, gets hurt, etc. or Hayward breaks out there is the possibility to dump AK . . .
There is a ‘what if’ – Would you take Wes at the risk of possibly loosing AK?
Sorry
I’m not hoping to lose the guy most responsible for team’s successes last year (besides Deron).
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Here's my hope
The Jazz traded Maynor only after the team gunked things up for 2 months and looked like the 9th best team in the West. When that happened the team traded Maynor to save $16 million.
The Jazz only traded Ronnie B. when Matthews turned out to be a lot better. Ronnie B. was having a pretty lousy year to that point.
I’m hoping (probably without any reason, I know), but I’m hoping the FO recognizes that Matthews is actually really, really good and that spending the money on him could very well add 5-8 wins.
Plus Matthews won’t cost the Jazz nearly as much as they cut from trading Maynor/Harpring/Brewer.
I’m hoping.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Fingers crossed
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Enjoyed reading this thread...
… good info all around.
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I guess Bogut was untouchable
I still think I’d take Bogut over Jefferson. I mean Big Al can barely run up and down the floor, and he really needs to bulk up his upper body. But boy are we bare down there…this is the next best option after Bogut.
Yea
there was no way in heck Bogut was ever leaving the Bucks. Pigs could have flied and hell frozen over and Bogut’s aussie butt would still be in Wisconsin.
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Locke's break down of Jefferson.
It’s a little more comforting but i’m still skeptical
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i remember locke once called jefferson
the worst big man post defender in the league. i asked him on twitter tonight if i remembered it right and he direct messaged me saying “yes, he’s [jefferson] never shown the ability to defend.”
he’s toeing the company line in all his published reviews of jefferson.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 12, 2010 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions
So let's all agree to never take an officially posted Locke opinion as anything other than BS propoganda
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
I post
one thing and everyone yells!
GEEEEZE. *tear
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Sorry dude
I thought the analysis was interesting until Pudding posted the tweet.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Locke's analysis is fine
He usually just tries to understand why the Jazz management would be making the pick even if he disagrees with it.
He respects the FO and knows that they don’t just make ridiculous decisions on a whim or anything. I think his analysis is usually pretty accurate, and includes scouts, other GM’s and players in his sources.
I remember him saying that Jefferson would basically be like having Boozer several weeks ago. that was his opinion without really looking in to the situation. I also remember him saying that Jefferson was a poor post defender
by davidthecomposer on Jul 12, 2010 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions
So.
We’re looking at:
PG: Deron, Price, Gaines
SG: CJ, Hayward, ?
SF: AK, Evans
PF: Jefferson, Millsap
C: Okur, Fes?, Koof
And then we sign one more swingman for depth? Is this where we’re at? Do we go for someone like Barnes in this case? Because that roster right there is at about $74M. We would still have the MLE, the biannual and the Harpring exception, but every dollar after this is two more dollars to the league.
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I'd say...
1- Deron, Price, Gaines
2- CJ, Hayward, (Price)
3- AK, (CJ), (Hayward)
4- Millsap, (AK), Evans
5- Jefferson, Okur, Koufos
Not sure what we do with Fesenko
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Evans
to Small Forward. Koof to Pf. Fes for Center.
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I think
we almost have to keep him for depth purposes. Unless you’d rather take a flyer on someone like Rod Benson. At that point in the roster, both the dollars and the production are basically interchangeable.
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So if they don't believe they're championship contenders
then I hate our front office. Deliberately screwing the team’s ability to build something for another 3-4 years just to save face. And then putting on a happy face.
I’d rather believe they are dumb than a bunch of conniving sh**heads ruining my team’s future and not caring about it.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
I'm with ya here...
… no Wesley means no future… or delayed future…
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http://www.canishoopus.com/2010/7/12/1566769/trading-big-al-how-i-learned-to
He is a wonderful low post scoring threat and that’s about it. He’s not worth his large contract and that high dollar amount makes him a very prohibitive trade prospect when fishing for young wing talent
If the basic framework of the deal is the TPE for Al, that leaves the Jazz over the cap, making it even more unlikely that they will match the Portland Trail Blazer offer for Wes Matthews. This could be interesting in that it opens up the possibility of Corey Brewer being added to the mix. How about Al + Brewer for the TPE and a young player like Kosta Koufos? The Jazz need a big and a wing and the Wolves could offer help on both fronts. Also, Portland…you’re welcome.
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I would take
Brewer.
The Kid is extremely athletic but I don’t know what his contract is.
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Brewer
$3.7 million this (upcoming) season
$5.0 million qualifying offer for next season
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I'd do that
I really like Brewer.
That would be a steal.
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Definitely
trade an exception & Koufos, and land Boozer Jefferson & Brewer?
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That
Would be a Gasol like trade. Almost robbery.
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Nah
for the Gasol trade, we’d have to throw in an assistant coach like the Lakers threw in Aaron McKie (who was an assistant coach for the Sixers at the time).
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True True
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Is he any good? Why is he playing in Japan? To look like Yao up there?
by iLoveBooks100per on Jul 13, 2010 7:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Good info,
thanks
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Al Jefferson just elevated the Jazz into a new horizon!
This is the bomb deal. Jefferson plays strong, he’s an absolute beast. not sure on the pick and roll deal but he’s the real deal. He just made the Jazz a very tough team. No more soft Boozer. Bring back Ronnie Brewer and the Jazz have a very very tough hustling team. I will call it, they will vault into one of the top 3 teams out of the West. I was happy that Boozer left, I am overly ecstatic with bringing in Jefferson. Absolutely brilliant fantastic move!!!!
Careful with that Kool-Aid man
too much is pretty dangerous.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
I don't know...
certain flavors of Kool-Aid taste fairly good ;)
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I never said it didn't taste good
I just said it’s dangerous.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Sometimes
you just gotta drink it and hope there isn’t poison in it.
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OOOOOOHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAAAA
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He got
Purple Drank from Jamarcus Russell……
too soon?
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Too soon?
JaMarcus Russell jokes were good from the moment he was drafted
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that, sir
was a perfect example of being funny, and not NOT being funny.
+1 to you.
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Impressive!
I need to get some lessons from FTL, I guess.
I’m bad at being funny.
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I can draw laughs in person
largely because I have got this “acting stupid” thing down. And because I can make fun of myself so much.
A lot harder online
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You act stupid online very well buddy.
In fact you may be the best at it :).
JK
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Haha
sorry
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I didn't
want a Fanpost about why FTL is a jerk :D
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lol
if I got one up, it would probably have like 100,000 words and no one would read more than the 1st sentence. ;)
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I'd read it
and Bookmark it to show my future posterity.
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Every fanbase needs its share of stupid people
you guys are lucky enough to have me on this blog.
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Don’t undermine the fantasy basketball wiz now. Jefferson is one of THE most under-rated big men in the NBA. He’s probably has the most post moves as a big man and has such fluidity/grace in his moves. Defensively? One category he’s superior than Boozer…he block shots. That’s a basic for a big man, Boozer couldn’t even do that. Jazz got rid of the cancerous Boozer and now that the curse has been lifted (even as a fan i felt dirty for that move), I’m hoping for good things to come. Now Jefferson couldn’t do his thing the last couple of years because Minnesota was trying to run the triangle offense. Now that he’s more into a position where he can play in a system that favors his position (Karl Malone, Carlos Boozer), he could rise and become a dominant power forward in the league. Either way, I’m a pessimist/realist and I know a good deal when I see one. This is one of them.
Well, you're more excited than me
But then I do stink at fantasy bball. But I rock at everyone against everyone Bomberman. That counts for something, right?
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Dang
Bomberman…… I can’t touch that
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Of course it counts
We’ll all have to wait and see and I’ll just keep all the Kool Aid at bay. I just love the move. I’m all for hustle and passion, honest hard working players. That’s all I want as a fan and I think the Jazz are moving in the right direction with this move.
I also finally figured out the metaphor
The horizon is the ground. It’s just way off in the distance. So looks like it’s up high and then you walk and walk and walk and then you finally get to it you realize …
Hey. I’m still on the freaking ground. Just in a different spot.
(I don’t mean to be mean. I’m just an English teacher and would-be poet. Gooked up metaphors amuse me to no end.)
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
And with that a new outlook on the game of basketball.
It’s all good, love the metaphor and correction there. No offense taken.
A bit from Blazers Edge...
Al Jefferson and Jerry Sloan
Man, there’s a sit com. Unless AJ starts playing some D, I predict Sloan chokes him to death by January.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Jul 12, 2010 9:57 PM MDT reply actions
A little reverse Carlesimo?
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Jul 12, 2010 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Just watch Sloan get him to play defense
And suddenly he’s one of the best PFs in the game.
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That’s what scares me
Sloan has always known how to get the best from players.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
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Me too
and I say that as someone who hasn’t always been much of a Sloan backer
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The rest of the league
Has to recognize Sloan.
He’s been kicking the majority of their butts consistantly for 2 decades.
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The Jazz have historically been fantastic at getting the most from its players.
Not sure who should get the credit for this but I’m sure Sloan deserves his fair share. To me, picking up Al Jefferson seems like a lateral move at best versus Boozer, BUT if the Jazz FO (Sloan included) think he’s worth what they’re giving him…It makes me (Blazer fan) very nervous!
Very good comment
It’s the system I think. Some players thrive better in certain systems of play from each team. The Jazz have been perennially a PF focused system. So if AJ has above average skill there, he’ll thrive here….
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Found this Out Late
Now I am coming to this late but I just read all the comments and I am actually very excited. Let Wesley work it out with Portland, sign Ronnie, get Corey as well and we would be a tough team. Are we better then the lakers probably not but can we win more then one game then how we did this year…Absolutely. The Jefferson trade also lets Okur not stress about getting back too quick. I woke my Dad up for this so this better go down.
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I figured out why the Jazz made this trade!!!!! It all makes sense!!!!!!!
KOC decided this was the best way to play .500 ball against the T-Wolves.
1 more win, baby. 1 more win.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
Why include his playoff stats..
so what were Kobe’s playoffs stats when he was a rookie coming straight out of high school? he sucked against the jazz? oh yeh
Why not add?
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I guess I don't see the point
It’s like bragging about BYU beating a third ranked Oklahoma in a year where they fail to get into a BCS bowl
I still
brag about that game.
We knocked Bradford outtttttttttttttttttt of half the season. That game rocked.
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We knocked him out but he still was the #1 pick
and the guy that beat him didnt get DRAFTED. Max Hall is gonna be Brees 2.0 The Cardinals got themselves a GREAT QB
SG
now the Jazz need to focus on a SG. Whether it is a starter or someone to play the 2 off the bench.
I have a strong feeling KOC is going to try to mend the bridge he burned with Deron after trading Brewer. I think Brewer comes back, and if so I hope CJ starts because we will be seriously lacking 3 point shooters if Brewer is signed.
To stretch the defense and give us that 3 point threat, (which is why we won so many games as soon as we traded for Korver) we would be better suited picking up Mason or Brown to start at SG with CJ at SF to open the floor for Sap and Jefferson
Millsap
Sap probably deserves to start, but a team has to do what it takes to win. I’m questioning whether his desire to be a starter in the league and playing PF are compatible. If you ranked the guys based on height how many are taller? Let’s see: Fes, KK, Memo, Al, AK, Hayward, Evans—it wouldn’t surprise me if Sap is less than the team’s average height. And someone like that is supposed to be our long-term PF?
How has he played in the past at SF? I thought I remember a few times when the team played big, but don’t know if it was enough to get any meaningful idea. If he works on his agility as opposed to strength going forward, could he have a better career at SF? Even if we didn’t add anyone else other than a one or two placeholders and don’t match OMSW, what if the starters were:
C – Memo
PF-Jefferson
SF-Milsap
SG-Miles
PG-Deron
With backups:
C – Fes, Koof
PF-AK
SF-Evans
SG-Hayward
PG-Price, Gaines
As has been mentioned before, adding someone like Matt Barnes could really shore up the SF/SG position while the rookies develop.
Milsap
Isn’t quick enough to play SF. Just not possible. He gets burned by quicker permiter players. LIke Odom.
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