The Downbeat - 5 July 2010 - #264 - The DB Observed Edition
by Basketball John on Jul 5, 2010 9:55 AM MDT
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Finally, some basketball. Summer league starts off today and the Jazz and Bobcats kick things off at 11 a.m. MDT. We'll have a game thread open up then. You can watch it if you have NBA tv at home or if you pay $15 to watch it at NBA.com. I believe that covers all of the summer league games, including Vegas. It's an all you can eat smörgåsbord.
We'll have a game thread up today starting at 10:45 MDT.
Which has a greater chance of happening? LeBron signing for the MLE with the Jazz or Derek Fisher returning to the Jazz? I'd put my money on LeBron in a heartbeat. But Scoot Howard-Cooper on NBA.com ponders the question,
Imagine if the Jazz bid for Fisher to shore up point guard behind Deron Williams. They don't consider that the offseason priority, and still have Ronnie Price, so maybe it doesn't happen. But the team is open to the possibility.
I would like to know how he knows the Jazz are open to the possibility. He also gives the chances of it happening very slim not because the Jazz wouldn't want Fisher back, but because Fisher wouldn't want to come back.
First, with the money Fisher is asking for, about $5M, there's no way it happens. Second, I don't think Fisher would have any desire to come here. In fact, if he were to get turned down by the other 29 teams in the league, he would probably retire rather than come back to Utah.
You have to wonder though, just how would Jazz fans react were he to come back? Would he return to his 30% shooting from the arc? Would he shoot 45% with his toe on the line? If you though the message boards, blogs, and radio shows were full of angry Jazz fans when Hayward was picked, I can only imagine what we would get with Fisher re-signing.
It looks like the Jazz might be using most of their MLE on Matthews if they keep him. Tom Kirkland from KSL interviewed OMSW,
KIRKLAND: Last thought. Is there a home team discount coming or does the offer trump everything else?
MATTHEWS: I got to go with the business decision. The best thing for the Jazz is they have the last take, the last hand to play.
I'm not sure why the Jazz are waiting on Boozer to get a deal done with Matthews. They're going to have to get it done regardless.
What's Hayward's line today in points, rebounds, assists, and threes? Here's mine,
14/5/5/1
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Im completely serious when I say this
IF the Jazz sign Derek Fisher to a deal, I am not going to watch a single game for the length of his contract. Not even joking.
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"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
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My take.
I would be fine with Fisher….its not about my feelings…its about increasing our chances of winning it all. I believe he helps us win so welcome back Fisher.
Haywards line today. 22pts 6reb 2ast 3/3’s
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
Doe he help us though
he wasn’t very helpful last time around (save for helping Deron develop, which we don’t need now). And if he’s playing the 2-guard spot…
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Agreed.
He’s too old and too expensive and doesn’t fill what the Jazz need. Price/Gaines are just fine backing up Williams for what their contracts are. I’d like to shore it up better in the future but not with a 35+ guy on the decline who wants 5 million.
Bring in someone cheaper and younger at the 2 guard behind Matthews. There are better options.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
My first thought
When I read about the “impasse” at the Lakers (they offer $2.5M, he wants $5M), I had a thought, “What if he came back here?” Despite the major dagger he thrust in our back, I’m a forgiving sort and if gets us closer to a title… But the chances of him coming here are slim to none. First and last, it would put the lie to his claim of going to LA for his daughter. He knows that and what it would look like on his reputation.
I won't watch a single game either
Fisher is a d-bag.
Why are we waiting on Wes? Boozer is gone, and we don’t have a backup for Mansap. Thanks KOC.
by KaBar6 on Jul 5, 2010 11:56 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
IMO
If I were Wes, I would rather take less money to be a starter instead of coming off the bench.
by KaBar6 on Jul 5, 2010 12:01 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think
we should just backload his contract.
3 year 12 million dollar deal.
First year, 3 million of the MLE. Second Year 4 million, Third year 5 Million.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
I know I'm in the minority around here
But if Wes wants to ride the bench and cash checks somewhere else, I think we should let him walk. Actually I think we have to let him walk after being owned by other teams offers for millsap and CJ the past two years. Didn’t we just watch eisley in the summer league? How’d leaving the jazz work out for him?
by tyrantking on Jul 5, 2010 3:07 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Who has the last laugh on the Millsap and Cj deals though? If you think Millsap and CJ are overpaid next year, you are mistaken.
Millsap makes an average salary and is an above average player in the league. CJ sometimes starts and if he keeps picking up where he left off, 3.7 million will be a total steal.
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In fact
Front loading Millsap’s contract actually helped the Jazz. Sure we took a hit last year but his contract doesn’t look bad at all from here on out. Especially, for his output.
I agree on CJ too.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
I agree on millsap and advocated matching at the time
I was much more indifferent about matching with CJ. With wes, I think anything over $3 we should let him walk.
by tyrantking on Jul 5, 2010 5:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd pay him a little more
I’m a Matthews homer though. I’d hate not to have him on the Jazz
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
Amar'e to the Knicks
done deal, it seems, according to Y!
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Amar'e
I just don’t see how this makes the Knicks better. In so called “star power”, yes. In production, the differences are minute between him and David Lee. The Knicks better have someone in mind to get him the ball. I think Amar’e is going to miss playing with Nash if the Knicks don’t get a PG.
Reportedly
they’re looking at trading Lee for Raymond Felton (double sign-and-trade)
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Raymond Felton?
Wow, reach for the stars there Knicks.
"OK, let’s do this. Let’s play the basketball." - Fes
4. Hayward...
He was 8/5/2/0. Didn’t miss anything, but was pretty much non-factor.
by iLoveBooks100per on Jul 6, 2010 8:18 AM MDT reply actions
I don't think he was that bad. Summer league is sort of just glorified pick up ball. he didn't force anything. he played within the game.
And then he sort of turned on the jets for the last two minutes. He isn’t a fantastic one on one player and those types of guys are the ones who are going to shine in summer league. But the Jazz don’t need or even want great one on one players. I think he will fit the team concept pretty nicely.
Not watching Derrick Favors made me cry, because that guy is an athletic specimen. but he wasn’t available.
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I made no sense that last sentence. What I meant was that Favors looked really good to me. Wish we had him.
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Non factor?
I think he was the biggest factor in the game. He actually tried to play TEAM ball and run at least some what of a system. Everyone else was just trying to put up stats. Thef act that his line is that is much more impressive to me than anyone elses stat line.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
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