Shaquille O'Neal To The Jazz?
So apparently back in 2004, when the Lakers traded Shaq to the heat after they were beat in the Finals by the Pistons, LA wanted to Shaq to the Beehive State. In an interview with the man himself, he talks about how he's always controlled where he wanted to go,
It was the same thing in Miami, me and Pat (Riley) didn't get along, so what do you do? But nothing goes down without my OK. Like when I was in L.A., I said I'll go, but I'm going to Miami. They were saying we want to send you to Utah, and I said, 'Guess what, I'm not doing it.' I told them they would have to settle out and write me a check, and then I'll go, but they said 'all right, we'll send you to Miami.'
This is more than just a little off-season rumor mill fodder. It's safe to say that the franchise as we know it today would be nothing like it is now.
It almost sounded, at least to my internal voice, that the Lakers were going to send Shaq to Utah as a punishment for his trade demands.
So what would it have taken to get Shaq to Utah player-wise? First, that was the off-season where they signed Boozer and Memo. In fact, on July 6 it was reported by ESPN that the Jazz would sign Okur to an offer sheet. They then signed Boozer on July 11th. Shaq was was traded on July 13. You could say that the Jazz were waiting on whether or not they would be able to trade for O'Neal before they pulled the trigger on those other deals.
Here's a list of the Jazz roster at the end of the season under contract: Raja Bell, Matt Harpring, Curtis Borchardt, Pavlovic, Raul Lopez, Mo Williams, Gordan Giricek (RFA), and Andrei Kirilenko. LA got Odom, Brian Grant, Caron Butler, and a first-round pick. I think then that AK would have been gone given that they wanted Odom, perhaps Harpring for salary, and some draft picks. There just wasn't much of the Jazz roster left at that point.
The salary cap for 2004-05 was $43.87M. The Jazz had a payroll of about $20M at that point. Remember, AK's deal didn't go into effect until the next season. Shaq was due to make nearly $28M in 04-05. So the Jazz couldn't quite absorb all of his contract. Harpring was making the most at the point with $4.6M.
So that would have left a team of Mo Williams and Raja Bell in the backcourt. Then you have Giricek at the SF and nobody at the 4. They wouldn't have been able to bring in anyone else other than for the league minimum.
Even with Shaq, I don't think I like that team over Mo, Bell, AK, Harpring, Boozer, and Memo despite them only winning 26 games that season. His contract would have hampered the for a couple of years. However, he did sign an extension with the Heat that was for only $20M a season.
And, of course, the Jazz wouldn't have landed Deron Williams given that they would have finished with a better record than those 25 wins.
Where would they have ended up though? Shaq won another title in Miami in 2006 but had a little player known as Dwyane Wade to help with that. The Jazz had no such player. I don't think we would have won a championship with O'Neal given the team that we did. The only thing we might have had going for us would be players wanting to come to Utah to play with Shaq. Even then, I don't know if the Big Talker would have been able to pull them to the Wasatch Front.
But it's all moot because O'Neal didn't want to come here. It would have been Ron Seikaly part two, only 100X bigger.
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Of course there’s an 80% chance that Shaq is full of crap, and a 95% chance the Lakers weren’t serious about trading him to Utah and it was just a negotiating ploy/joke.
That’s pretty specific details to accuse Shaq of lying about
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Sep 13, 2010 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Not sure, but...
I’m not sure I understand your hypothetical trade, and I know this is academic, but wouldn’t the Jazz have been able to basically trade Harpring and AK for Shaq? Not saying the Lakers would have done that (definitely would have had to include draft picks too), but getting rid of those two would have put the Jazz at about $16m committed, so they would have room for Shaq’s near $28m without going over the cap. And they would then have the mid-level exception, plus maybe a bi-annual exception (not sure) and minimum salaries. I think the Jazz would have taken that in a heartbeat back in 2004.
Also, I agree with Aguacil that this is probably just Shaq talking. Even though 2004 AK was coming off his All-Star year, I don’t think the Jazz could have put together any package to compete with Caron Butler and Lamar Odom. The Lakers would not have reasonably considered that, especially to trade Shaq to another Western team.
For the trade
I’m guessing they would have wanted more than AK and Harp. And as was pointed out, it was likely just a scare tactic.
by Basketball John on Sep 7, 2010 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think the Lakers would have wanted more, I just meant in terms of logistics, that’s all the Jazz would have had to clear to take on the salary. I had the impression from your earlier post that they would have had to clear more space. They could have kept Arroyo at the point, for example, if they unloaded Harp.
The more I think about it, though, the less far-fetched this sounds. It seems strange now, but you almost can’t overstate how highly the league thought of AK back then. People thought he would be a smaller, more athletic version of Dirk with better defense. Lakers were rebuilding around Kobe, Jackson was gone, and they were just hiring Rudy T. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Lakers were giving AK a long look. And although Shaq didn’t have a no-trade clause, he had almost that much leverage because he had an opt-out for the 2005-06 season. Any team he didn’t like (such as the Jazz) probably would not have taken him because they would have only gotten a one-year rental. So the scenario isn’t really as wild as it seems.
Sounds reasonable to me
The timeline and everything else with what Shaq said seems to be realistic and in line. I’ll also agree that absolutely everyone (including myself) was massively overvaluing AK47 at that point.
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Sep 13, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions

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