Could A Justin Bieber/ Gordon Hayard Collaboration Be On The Way? - The Downbeat - #602
Should the season not get shot to hell and throw the draft next year into chaos, we'll need to keep an eye on potential picks this season. You could get all too familiar with them if there's no season. One of the guys that a few of you have talked about is the PG from Texas. Chad Ford (Insider) has more on him,
4. Myck Kabongo, PG, Fr., Texas Top 100 Ranking: 15
This year's draft might be the weakest we've seen in years at the point guard position. Only two point guards are in serious contention for a lottery pick -- Kabongo and Kentucky freshman Marquis Teague. Teague is a super athletic slasher. Kabongo is a pure, unselfish point guard who makes everyone around him better.
Kobongo's lack of size and lack of a great surrounding class in Texas this year are knocks against him. But NBA teams need point guards every year and pure point guards with very few weaknesses are very hard to come by.
Point guard is the last position we're lacking in regards to the youth-movement overhaul of the roster. Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker were possibilities in last year's draft.
Devin Harris is no slouch and may be the better option to lead a young team than a rookie or second-year PG. Harris's contract runs through 2013 which would be the end of the third year for Derrick Favors and Gordon Hayward. The fourth year is when they should start hitting their stride. Do you want a sophomore running the team at that point? Would that set team development back?
Lockout or not, with potentially two picks coming up next year, start watching college players this fall.
So it wasn't a two-hour meeting (8.5), but some details are still leaking out despite the gag order from George Cohen. From Adrian Wojnarowski,
The NBA and Players Association have made progress on the proposed revenue split between owners and players, an important element in settling a new collective bargaining agreement and ending the lockout, league sources involved in the ongoing labor negotiations told Yahoo! Sports.
As long expected, the two sides have moved closer to a "50-50 split, give or take a point with ranges based on revenue performance," one source said.
I know many of you skip right to the next DB item whenever you see lockout quotes/news. This could be significant though. The players have wanted a split in the 50-53 range. This certainly fits. However, if they're going to give up three percentage points (about $120 million), then they're going to want other concessions. Alan Hahn of Newsday tweeted that he was told the revenue sharing plan could be a "'linchpin'" to the BRI split. If a revenue sharing plan is written into the CBA, he continues, then that could move the players closer to that 50/50 split.
I'm still pessimistic that we don't lose more games. But the fact that no more games have been cancelled yet has to be good news. Stern had threatened he could cancel all games through Christmas should the two sides not make progress as of Tuesday. They're also still meeting and rescheduling the owners' meetings this week to accommodate the mediation negotiations.
We had the makeup video yesterday for Hayward. Today, his girl calls him out on twitter for following Justin Bieber (pro tip, do not mention Bieber on twitter unless you want 100 spam bots replying). So anyone going as Hayward dressed up as Bieber for Halloween?
@gordonhayward you follow @justinbieber ...? i dont even follow him
She's not lying...
Looks like Jarron Collins is heading to China (via moni).
yo @JaredDudley619 your boy JC is headed to China tomorrow. the flop game is going global! It's about to be real serious.
He just signed up for twitter and isn't verified yet so take it for what it's worth. Maybe someone could throw him a Stanford question that only alumni might know? His back and forth with people he supposedly knows though seems to be genuine as opposed to fake twitter accounts begging for real players to follow him. He's already had some adventure though as his plane had to make an emergency stop in Hawaii for a man with chest pains. He should be touching down on the mainland anytime now.
Instead of planking, I hope Collins develops a series of flopping shots while in China. Flopping when the Great Wall hits him or when someone 1/3 his size bumps into him.
No word on whether Jerry Sloan has now come out of retirement to coach Collins.
The second version of the SB Nation iPhone app should be hitting your update queue in the next several days as soon as Apple approves it. Some updates:
- iOS5 Compatibility
- Improved commenting (watch the video for more; it's slick)
- You can see FanPosts now
- Background is now the blog's colors
- In-app browser. That means that it won't open the browser app for links so we can keep you in the SBN app. You can link out any time you like, but you can never leave.
Finally, for you Android users, that app is scheduled to be out by the holidays. It will have all of the same features. Now you know what you can get everyone for gifts. Just steal their phones, load the SBN app, and surprise them! It has a little more value than donating in their name to the Human Fund.
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I know many of you skip right to the next DB item whenever you see lockout quotes/news.
seriously. your powers are scary.
by moni on Oct 20, 2011 10:40 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
"Devin Harris is no slouch and may be the better option to lead a young team than a rookie or second-year PG."
I understand your point, but I would rather bring in a rookie PG next year (if one of those guys is available) so that the entire team is developing together. Honestly, I don’t put much value in Devin’s leadership, i.e., I haven’t really seen any. And it just may be that Myck Kabongo’s leadership abilities are better than Devin’s right out the gate.
Devin is just a placeholder PG.
We're still a long ways from anything really
Who knows if they’ll keep Harris, bring in a FA PG after Harris, or go the PG route in the draft. If they draft a PG and think he can run the team better, then I’m sure that’s what they’ll go with. But by the end of Harris’s deal, he’ll have been in the system — which is starting over — for two years. He’ll know the team and players as well as anyone.
by Basketball John on Oct 20, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Assests for a trade
I would think that regardless of what happens with the drafts the Jazz would be in the market to make some trades for a more proven floor general IF they decide that Harris is not the man. I still think that he can make things work, BUT IF NOT he plus one of our front court players would make pretty good trade bait (add a draft pick too- even a lottery one if needed) to get the attention of OKC or NO or someone else to pull the trigger on something bigger. There’s no reason that with the young talent we have to completely reload. We have a shizload of assets. Let KOC work his magic. In KOC we trust.
That scenario worked to get Deron away from the Jazz
No reason to think it might not work if things continue to go south in other teams camps…
No. Devin is more than a placeholder.
The guy is a solid NBA point guard that came mid year from a poor team to a team that had just lost their coach and best player in a 2 week span and the team was free falling. Harris had to learn a new system, learn to play with new teammates, on a team that went from stable to upside-down in the middle of the year. I think coming down on Harris for not showing leadership at that point doesn’t make sense.
Harris is a solid PG who has played for a poor team with trade rumors swirling around his head for last few years in NJ. He should be in his prime and is talented enough to become the stable vet to give this team a chance to build the young guys up. No team with all young guys will make it. You need vets to help the young guys learn the ropes in the NBA. Harris is a good player and could become exactly what the team needs if given a chance.
by BobbyD31 on Oct 20, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I'm disappointed that he hasn't attempted to create any camaraderie with his team during the (extra long) offseason.
But, hey, if the Lakers were able to win with Fish as their starting PG, then maybe Harris would be more than adequate.
RE: your point about all young guys not being able to make it without a stable vet to guide them. Without Harris the Jazz still have plenty of solid vets that could build the guys up and teach them the ropes. Millsap, Jefferson, and hell, even Raja Bell could be a good teacher. There is no reason that Harris has to be that guy, and again, based on what I’ve seen, in Utah, New Jersey and Dalls, he isn’t.
Also, shouldn’t coaches be at least part of the team of stable vets teaching the young guys? A lot cheaper that way.
In Dallas? In NJ?
Are you kidding me the guy was young and not asked to be the leader, but he was a very solid player for Dallas. He was their best perimeter defender and exciting play maker. Dallas won over 70% of the games they played with Harris in the lineup. Dallas has had a better winning percentage with him than with Kidd. Now Kidd did just help Dallas win the title, but I was living in Dallas right after the trade went down and people there were pissed that Devin was gone. So he played good in the finals and solid for a team that had the best record in the NBA. I think he showed he was pretty good in Dallas.
In NJ he was an all-star and put up great numbers when Vince Carter was still alive to help him. Harris became the leader of that team and then Vince started to shut things down as his number 2. After Carter died the team started to struggle. Harris was asked to do so much on the team that he started to play like Jimmer (all O no D) and the teams superstar center forgot how to rebound the ball. They had an awful year and they were in the John Wall sweepstakes which lead to everyone in NJ wondering what they could get for Harris. Then they were in the running for Carmelo and from day one of last year, both Harris and Favors were on the trading block. It isn’t great for a player to be on the trading block for 2 straight years.
When he was finaly traded to the Jazz the situation wasn’t great here as I said. Then he pulled his hamstring, not a great start. But with the team going nowhere and with the playoffs out of sight, most guys would have nursed that hamstring for the rest of the year. Harris busted his butt to come back and play in the last few games. To me that showed that he is willing to lead by example if nothing else. Give the guy a chance to come together with the team and see what happens.
Word is that he has been improving his 3-point shot this off season. To me that is showing a sense of knowing what this team needs from him and if he can knock in 3s at a better rate next year and learns to play with the new system and gets back to playing the D he played in Dallas, he could be a key to helping this team return to the playoffs.
If he could shoot 40%+ from 3, that would be huge.
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There are only 6-7 current point guards in the NBA I would want more than Harris:
Rose, Westbrook, Wall, Williams, Rondo, Paul, and maybe Tyreke Evans. I doubt the Jazz would have a chance to get any of those point guards, even if the Jazz were willing to give up more than they are worth (and Wall and Evans are still undeveloped, so it is not a sure thing that they will be better than Harris). The two best point guards in the upcoming draft—Teague and Kabongo—don’t look like they will ever be as good as Harris. They appear to be more in the talent realm of Brandon Knight. The Jazz probably won’t have a high pick in the draft for a long time after this upcoming draft, so it is unlikely the Jazz will get a better point guard than Harris in the draft.
If Harris can settle down and get his confidence back with the Jazz, and if he can learn to finish games a bit better, I think he could do great things for the Jazz. He’s a top ten point guard in his prime for heaven sake.
by Fesenko for President on Oct 24, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
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If we got Kabongo, I would still want Devin playing for us, he’s a quality guard, and if he improves his 3-point shot, then he could be our starting 1-guard for a while.
I have a question though, is it possible for the jazz to obtain Dwight Howard?
We could trade 2 of these three: Harris, Millsap, or Jefferson.
I’d love to see Dwight Howard with Favors burning it up in the post

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