The Last Hope For A Salvageable Season? - The Downbeat - #618
Last night the players and league emerged for separate joint conferences with Derek Fisher and Billy Hunter announcing that the league had proposed a modified deal -- not the reset offer -- with some concessions from the owners but not enough to where the NBAPA felt that it could accept the offer. What they will do according to Hunter is take it to the player reps and possibly put the deal to a vote.
David Stern later stated that with the proposed offer, the goal is to start games December 15th if the deal is accepted. Stern stated that it had been approved by everyone on his side including the labor committee and the board of governors. He believes that it would pass an owners' vote. While he didn't come out and directly call this the last best offer, Stern said that if the offer was not accepted, then the new negotiations would center around their offer of 47% (for the players). So in all likelihood, this is the best that the players would get.
So from here, the players have a few options. They can accept the latestoffer, they could possibly decertify (which could happen to day according to Adrian Wojnarowski, or the NBAPA could disclaim interest meaning they no longer represent the players.
The players have been given until 11/15 -- a month before games would start -- to present it to the team reps and then possibly to the players. As has been noted by most of the media covering this, they could decide to decertify this weekend yet still accept the latest offer. The actual decertification vote wouldn't come until 45 days later.
If everything were to get accepted and the league starts on December 15th, we would have a 72-game season which has already been mapped out according to Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver. The playoffs and finals would be pushed out one week in that case.
So if you're looking for something that resembles a full season, then this weekend is it. By next Tuesday at the latest we'll know what the future holds for this season.
Devin Harris has been going back to Wisconsin to continue working on his degree while the lockout has been going on. He and Michael Finley have also been working out with the mens' basketball team including full practices. And just how hold is Michael Finley?
All eyes were trained on the entertaining match-up of UW's past All-American, Harris, against this year's version, Jordan Taylor. Another noteworthy head-to-head battle featured the 38-year old Finley facing 18-year old Traevon Jackson. Finley was teammates with Jackson's father, Jimmy, on the Dallas Mavericks.
Sheridan Hoops has their take on what the Jazz should do once the lockout is lifted,
UTAH: Should the Jazz throw the kids to the wolves? In the next year, they could easily transition their frontcourt from Andrei Kirilenko, Al Jefferson and Mehmet Okur to Paul Millsap, Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter. Throw in Gordon Hayward, rookie Alec Burks and a veteran point guard in Devin Harris, and the time seems right. It would start with a trade of Jefferson, who has value as a low-post scorer.
Nothing prevents the teams and GMs from talking with each other right now about potential deals. My hunch is that the Jazz won't trade anyone between the time the CBA is accepted and the season starts. If someone is dealt, it will be after a month or so of playing time with proper evaluation so that the team can determine which way they're going to go. They're in no hurry to deal anyone. They won't be over the luxury tax this season so they'll be content riding out the year with what they have. Now should an opportunity present itself to acquire more draft picks or other assets that are too good to pass up, they'll make a move. But it will be on their time.
There will be someone dealt eventually as the team moves into a new era, but it will be later rather than sooner.
We all want basketball, but Tom Ziller points out that the 72-game proposed deal would be worse than the 50-game season in 1999,
A 72-game schedule starting December 15 and ending after the third week in April would give us 72 games in 4.25 months, or 17 games per month per team
As we saw with the Jazz in 1999, it really impacted them come playoff time. They had a 60-win season (adjusted for 72 games) but faltered in the first round. While this Jazz team is younger, don't expect it be of any benefit to them.
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4. I couldn't find the link again
but last night i believe it was kevin pelton and he did the math, said that this 72 games is the same pace as the 50 game season in 99
Always liked Finley
wish he had played for us.
As far as the lockout goes, I really hope something happens soon. I would LOVE for the season to start Dec. 15. That would mean Christmas day games, and I LOVE Christmas Day games.
Just remember what my good friend JP from “Angels in the Outfield” said:
“Something good’s going to happen, maybe today even, it could happen!”
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 11, 2011 8:24 AM MST reply actions
I think the negotiations have gone on to long
its gotten to the point where I think every one is over analyzing everything, I just want to watch basketball. I doubt these system issues will really change teams that much, players are still going to want to go to bigger markets and where its sunny, I just wish owners and players would realize that and sign a stupid deal.
Even if they strike a deal in time,
I don’t want that many games in such a short amount of time. That would wear down the players pretty fast, especially the vets.
That said, I have very little hope a deal goes through at this point. I suspect the season is lost.
As for trading someone…I would consider trading Okur midseason, but I wouldn’t strongly advocate moving any other big unless we got a great offer.
I think a compacted schedule could really help the Jazz evaluate the team this year, so they could make better choices for the future.
Everyone knows the Jazz are not going to contend for the NBA title and most likely won’t even make the playoffs. With lots of games crammed into a small amount of time, the Jazz would be forced to give more minutes to non-starting players—and would be placed in a position where they could experiment and really evaluate their current players. Therefore, I would welcome that kind of season for the Jazz.
by Fesenko for President on Nov 11, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I can see that...
Having 4 games in a week would almost necessitate Corbin gives Bell and Memo and Al some PT in favor of Alec and Kanter. But still, it’s just too much. I don’t want to see players get ground into pulp.
I hope the players are smart enough to take the deal.
The players need to accept the reality that they were overpaid during the last CBA, and that teams have to make money for both the league and the players to prosper. If small market teams are unable to make a profit and be somewhat competitive, the league will inevitably contract to a smaller amount of teams—perhaps as many as 8-10 teams could be lost, along with 100-150 NBA player jobs. With fewer markets, future the NBA TV contracts will get smaller, rather than stay the same or get larger. Especially those players that are not in the top 100 to 150 players should take the deal, or they may never play in the NBA again.
It appears that there are some NBA players that just don’t understand economics, and live in a fantasyland where they believe that there is a growing stream of more and more people who will pay more and more dollars to see them play (Paul Pearce comes to mind). The players need to quit messing around, realize they have to make concessions for the good of the league and for themselves, and sign the deal.
by Fesenko for President on Nov 11, 2011 10:42 AM MST reply actions
The one thing I read about the deal offered by the owners that I think is a bit much is a right to send any player with less than 5 years experience to the D-League, and then only pay him $75,000 per year.
On the one hand, that would give teams a chance to really develop high draft picks that were “busts,” and would give those players a better chance to make it in the league.
On the other hand, I think that provision gives the owners too much power over a young player, and would have a high risk of being abused.
I think that provision would be a good one, if it didn’t include the part about reducing the salary to D-League level. I think too many young players that aren’t quite ready for the NBA and are taken high in the draft don’t make it, because they can only be sent to the D-League for the first two years, so teams give up on them after 2 years.
by Fesenko for President on Nov 12, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions
So sick of these guys
Bunch of babies, both the owners and the players. Just cancel the season already. Let the players take their slim to none chance in court. I really don’t care anymore. I only pay attention to basketball on nights when football isn’t on and even then only to the Jazz. Just go away.
by tyrantking on Nov 11, 2011 2:16 PM MST via mobile reply actions

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