Where Have All The Good Men Gone? - The Downbeat - #622
A big congratulations to Jerry "Slowness" Sloan and Phil Johnson for their induction into the Utah Sports Hall of Fame. And of course moni has the text of the interviews and highlights of the best quotes.
As was said by many outlets when everything went down, the Jazz lost two amazing coaches ans people that day. The focus was on Jerry Sloan of course but Johnson was on par with Sloan in every way. In a day where loyalty is discarded and ego and getting ahead is the priority for so many, it was refreshing to see a man from Illinois and another from small-town Idaho come together and become one of the greatest coaching combos in league history. Then you read quotes like this and realize that there will never be anyone else quite like them (courtesy of moni),
What's the closest you [Phil Johnson] came to taking a coaching position elsewhere?
There were about three times I had offers from teams and just decided to stay. I had a pretty high criteria on where I wanted to go. It had to be a good situation and I didn't want to jump at any team. The ego part of it is not the biggest thing and you can't make decisions because of money.
A couple of times a couple of players went to Larry and said they didn't want me to leave. When that happens, it's pretty hard to leave particularly when you like where you're coaching.
From all the quotes, it still sounds like Sloan has a coaching itch to scratch, Johnson not so much. Of course if Sloan did take a coaching job elsewhere, it would rip the hearts out of Jazz fans.
If that did happen though, there would be a plus side to that. Fans would be able to give Sloan a proper ovation when he returned to the ESA. They never got to say goodbye.
NBA owners will be holding a conference call today to plot their next move after the players disbanded as a union and filed suit against the owners. If you're looking for quick resolution, keep this in mind from Adrian Wojnarowski,
For several reasons, it won't be easy to get the owners to move quickly toward re-engaging the new leadership of the players. Many owners believed Stern had gone too far with the league's final proposal to the union and were privately wishing for the players to reject the offer so they could thrust upon the players a far more rigid "reset" deal.
Couple that with this quote from Billy Hunter,
The players decision to blow up the union [decertify] was unanimous. They were high-fiving, sayin let's get it on!
While it's still possible, but not desirable by Stern, we could still get a repeat of the 1999 season and not have a resolution until January. Stern's push has been to have games by December 25th. If it takes 30 days between a handshake agreement and the season to start, that gives us until next Friday to get a deal done. When you consider next week is Thanksgiving, I wonder how much progress can be done.
Thank Jody Genessy for pushing his IT dept. to get the Pro Players Classic exhibition game put online. Here it is now in all its defenseless glory.
This is one of the most Karl Malone stories of all time (h/t Marcel Mutoni of SLAM)
On the afternoon of Game 2," Malone said. "I was taking a nap - like I always do - and I saw us in the Forum, playing the Lakers. That meant we had beaten the Blazers."
The Blazers led the series 1-0 at that point, but the Jazz then ripped off three straight victories - with "The Mailman" delivering 36.7 points and 11.7 rebounds per game - to move into the next round and meet Los Angeles.
"I didn't tell anybody about the dream at the time. Nobody," he said. "If I had told my teammates or coaches, they probably would have checked me into the crazy house or something. But I really believe this stuff, man. I'm from Summerfield, La. - the country - and I believe those kinds of things really happen. I'm not cracking up. I saw those things."
It gets better. This story was told to David Kahn, reporter at the time, and backed up by David Checketts. Read the whole thing and realize the forces that were present that day.
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Run the point
I trust my passes. I don’t trust my ability to catch Stock’s passes.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
i hadn't thought
of Jerry returning and the fans getting the opportunity to give him a standing o. Man, it would be weird to see him roll into town on someone else’s bench though.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 17, 2011 8:40 AM MST reply actions
I'd play another position
Was never a great passer, but I could score.
by Stockton2Malone on Nov 17, 2011 8:53 AM MST reply actions
How could I not want to have Stockton as my point?
He’s the kind of player who makes everyone around him better. I would definitely like to be a better player.
Put me at the 2.
I’d learn more about playing the 1 spot in a single game with John than I have learned in 25 years of playing PG. Besides, if I got open I KNOW I’d get the ball
Possibly the southernmost Jazz fan in the world!
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I love Jeff Hornacek, but I would want his position. My best basketball skill (I didn't say awesome, just my best) is my shot.
Stockton would hit me in stride to be ready to shoot and he would also not ride my butt for missing shots like other stars. High fives and encouraging backside pats is what I would get from Stockton. Malone on the other hand, might wring my neck after 3 missed 3s. What would the all time team look like?
I would have:
John Stockton
Hornacek
Bryon Russell
Malone
Ostertag
I honestly think that team from 97-98 was the best team because they played their roles and played together. I can’t replace Russell with AK in the starting lineup and as great as Okur is, Ostertag’s defense and rebounding complemented the others so well. But my bench would be:
Deron Williams
Adrian Dantley
AK
Okur
Gordon Hayward (just because we are low on wings and we don’t have a lot of great historic wing players)
Shandon Anderson
Mark Eaton
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
Wait...
You would take Hayward and Shandon Anderson over Pete Maravich and Darrell Griffith?
I love Hayward, but I wouldn’t take those guys over Harpring and Thurl Bailey, at this point.
Starting 5:
Stockton
Griffith
Kirilenko
Malone
Eaton
Bench:
Deron Williams
Adrian Dantley
Thurl Bailey
Jeff Hornacek
Matt Harpring
Mehmet Okur
Pete Maravich
Might swap out either Thurl or Harpring for Ricky Green.
No, no, no. You guys have got it all wrong.
Here’s what the ALL-TIME Jazz team should look like:
Starting 5:
Jason Hart
Sasha Pavlovic
Scott Padgett
Ben Handlogten
Rafael Araujo
Bench:
Milt Palacio
Quincy Lewis
Gordan Giricek
Curtis Borchardt
Jarron Collins
Kirk Snyder
Morris Almond
Now that’s a dynasty!!!
"If you're racist I will attack you with the north." -Abraham Lincoln
that team would win at least 7 championships.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 18, 2011 8:21 AM MST up reply actions
I don't consider Pete Maravich as an all time great Jazz player, because it's like he played for another franchise. But yes, I forgot about the Golden Griff.
I made the list too hastily.
But I would put Hayward ahead of Matt Harpring, because of his shooting abilities. I wasn’t trying to take the 12 most talented Jazz players ever, but the 12 best Jazz teammates to play together.
So in reality I could justify starting Howard Eisley as the backup PG over Deron Williams, but I went with Deron because he is happier when the team is good and when he isn’t the main man.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
True, but apparently he is having a great attitude about coming off the bench and playing shooting guard for Besiktas, so maybe he has changed.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
No. It was too speedy. Eaton's D was a lot better than Ostertag's and although Greg was better on offense, he wasn't that much better.
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Quote:
“…Greg [Ostertag] was better on offense…” – clarkpojo
by Kirilenko's Brother on Nov 18, 2011 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
What's so crazy about that? Have you seen Eaton shoot? I was watching him a couple weeks ago on classic NBAtv and Eaton made a shot in the lane.
The announcers started to laugh because of the unprobability of it. It was ridiculous. The Jazz would have won one or two championships if Eaton could have lasted longer in his career, but not because of his offense.
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I did a post about this a while back and you all are forgetting the most important part.
http://www.slcdunk.com/2010/9/3/1668037/what-would-your-all-time-nba-and
PG- Stockton, Williams, Green
SG- Pistol, Hornacek, Griffith
SF- AD, AK
PF- Malone, Big T
C- Eaton, Memo
and
IR- Carlos Boozer

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