Depends On What Your Definition Of Deal Is - The Downbeat - #616
by Basketball John on Nov 9, 2011 10:17 AM MST
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Derek Fisher and 43 other players held a press conference yesterday (with a Bill Clinton cameo) after their mandatory meeting in which they announced that they would not accept the owners' latest offer. However, if you're looking for a glimmer of hope for the season to still be salvaged, Fisher said that if the owners would negotiate on the system issues, the 50-50 split may be acceptable. Those system issues that are important to the players are the MLE changes and sign and trades for luxury tax teams.
If that's the case, this is really in the owners' court to get this deal done. They have the BRI split that they want which would save them over $300 million a year -- their reported losses. The owners have their victory. If the season is lost because they can't hammer out these last details, it's on them. Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that Stern could tweak the system issues today. Stern also said they will get a deal done. Of course he didn't say when or what that deal would look like for sure.
Chris Broussard of ESPN is reporting that the owners and players will be meeting at 1 p.m. eastern today. If the 5 p.m. league imposed deadline is real, that's cutting things awfully close. If they don't make it work, expect the players to vote to decertify with the actual decertification vote taking place in December.
Several Jazz players are getting some love from ESPN's 5-on-5 series in regards to who will be the best freshmen and sophomore's in the league this season
Third-best freshman,
Patrick Hayes, PistonPowered: Alec Burks. Burks' shooting needs work, but his size for a guard, ability to get to the rim and finish will give the Utah Jazz the weapon at the shooting guard spot they've long coveted to complement Deron Williams. Oh, right. Devin Harris should like him, too.
John Krolik, Cavs: The Blog: Enes Kanter. I think Kanter will have a rookie season a lot like DeMarcus Cousins' -- he's going to have a few huge games, he's going to show flashes of extreme skill for his size, and he's going to put up good raw numbers, but his defense and scoring efficiency are going to be question marks. Five years down the line, I might like Biyombo more than Kanter, but I'm having a hard time picturing what Kanter looks like on a good team.
Second-best freshman,
Hayes Davenport, CelticsHub: Enes Kanter. The first phone call made after the lockout lifts will likely involve an Al Jefferson trade, paving the way for Kanter to start at center for the Jazz. He's a big improvement from Jefferson as a defender, with a vast skill set to make up most of Jefferson's lost production on offense.
Sophomores
Fifth-best sophomore
Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live: Derrick Favors. Favors got lost in the shuffle of trying to figure out what was wrong with Brook Lopez's rebounding and trying to get Deron Williams out of Utah. But once Favors settled into the Jazz's new world, he started to blossom a bit. There is a logjam in the frontcourt, but his size and athleticism should give him plenty of chances to earn minutes.
Fourth-best sophomore
Eddy Rivera, Magic Basketball: Derrick Favors. If there were a dart board representing Favors' potential, there's no telling where that dart would land. That speaks more to Favors' immense ceiling as a player than anything else. But if Favors' numbers after being traded to the Jazz in the Deron Williams deal are any indication, he's well on his way to becoming an impact player in the NBA.
If that's how things play out, you can't help but be excited for this season. I expect to have two rookies and two sophomores playing in the rookie sophomore game this season.
I hate using the disclaimer of it being an exhibition game, but man, my expectations for Alec Burks this season went irrationally through the roof after watching him play.
This photo of Jeremy Evans finishing a 360 dunk blows my mind. He's coming down! Excellent photos from Kris Chatelain.
Trying not to be a homer here, but he's gotta be in the slam dunk contest this season.
Former Jazz man Jose Ortiz is back in federal prison after having his bail denied for testing positive for cocaine. From the Washington Post (AP),
Ortiz pleaded guilty last week to drug charges after federal agents raided his home in June and seized 218 marijuana plants at his house along with 40 rounds of ammunition.
Ortiz had been freed on bail while awaiting sentencing.
End the lockout already! Do you see what it's doing? Oh wait...
The one year anniversary of Millsap's Miracle in Miami,
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I have bad feelings about today.
I just don’t understand why players care about some of these system issues. If I were playing for the wolves or kings I would like them. Or do the players all think they will end up in miami and LA?
4. Jose!
I still vividly recall Jose’s one moment of glory in the league. On Feb. 3, 1989, the Jazz played a game against the New Jersey Nets (I’ll admit it—I actually had to look up the date and the team the Jazz played). It was one of those laughers where the Jazz were already up by more than 20 points at halftime.
Jose actually logged 15 minutes in that game. In those 15 minutes, he scored 15 points on 7-for-8 shooting (all of his made shots were dunks) from the field and 1-for-2 from the foul line.
It’s just strange how you sometimes remember these weird things after all these years. As I mentioned above, I didn’t remember the exact date or the team, but I did remember the 15 points in 15 minutes, and the 7-for-8 from the field, and the slam dunks, and the missed free throw.
It’s too bad Jose’s had so many off-the-court issues—mostly drug related. Otherwise, he might have turned out to be a decent player. He obviously had some skills on the offensive end of the floor.
"Three-pointer from the parking lot...YES! The Golden Griff!"
by Dr. Dunkenstein on Nov 9, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
I thought I missed basketball before.
After that video, I remember why I’m a Jazz fan. I remember why I stuck with them through all the crap.
Players, owners, please make it work.
"Everyone wants to throw dirty on us"
I can't wait until the lockout is over and we can talk basketball everyday on this site.
1. I have no faith that today’s meeting will lead to anything.
2. Those guys are more optimistic than I am about Burks and Kanter. I think Burks might be very good, but I don’t see him getting more than about 12 minutes a game next year. Also it feels good when other sports writers think like I do about my far fetched beliefs, such as, the Jazz should trade Al Jefferson and Bismack Biyombo will be a better NBA player than Enes Kanter. For the record again, I think the Jazz should trade Al Jefferson if possible, but I think there is no chance the Jazz trade Jefferson in the next two years.
3. Jeremy Evans is already a top 3 Jazz guy for me. I love him. Love his attitude, love his game and his demeanor.
4. No words. Unbelievable. A modern day Tony Montana.
5. Nice game by Millsap. We should trade him. Too short and weak.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
Have long been on the owners' side but they're starting to lose my support.
I also have zero faith in anything fruitful happening. But I’ll still keep my fingers crossed.
I think
that everything the owners have done has been according to Stern’s master plan. Including the ultimatum and the last minute meeting.
I dont think they end the lockout today
I’m still holding out for basketball come Christmas time. They would be to stupid to lose out in all that money.
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
by EcERyda69 on Nov 9, 2011 12:36 PM MST via mobile reply actions
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Burks is going to be good. His sheer ability to get to the line coupled with his ability to drive to the hoop should ensure he will at least be a good, efficient scorer on the next level. Guys like Marcus Thornton, Jordan Crawford and even our own CJ Miles can score- but I believe Burks will be able to do it efficiently- and that is a big reason why I think he can be a star in the league.
But he won’t get much playing time with Bell around. . .
Millsap Miracle will go down as one of the most incredible games ever in Jazz history
It was one of those kind of days where I remember exactly what I was doing and where I was.
Millsap
How can anyone watch that video and regurgitate the same old crap about him: he was the perpetual Plan B, all post plays were run for Al, and Millsap could never be successful if he a post play was run with him in mind.
There were many post plays that went to him—even long before it was clear he was the hot hand of the game.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
I love Millsap, but I only counted 2 times that he got a bucket posting up in that game.
Millsap did most of his damaged with his mid range J and slipping to the hoop and getting passes for hoops. I think Millsap is a good scoring option and is a very good player, but I come away from watching that feeling the exact same, that he is more effective in space driving or hitting his step back, in P&P/R and when he is moving without the ball to slip into scoring situations. I don’t doubt Millsap can post up, because I know he can, but his game is so good in the other aspects that I don’t understand how you walk away from that thinking that we need to run more post plays for him.
Post up play isn’t Millsap’s strength as much as some of the other things he does. I think Sloan knew that and that is why you see Millsap in space and cutting to the hoop more than you see him banging in the post. You have to play to your players strenghts and say what you want about Sloan, but he understood that.
How much more do the players have to give, before they can play again?
They’ve already agreed to take a cut of 6% in the BRI, but from what I’ve read (admittedly I maybe very wrong about this) nothing in the new agreement actually really helps promote pairity.
Just play! I hate the Lakers, and Boston, but if I can watch the best basketball in the world for the next six years, I really don’t care, if those two teams win the title every year.
I am not a player, I just love the game. Take my money please, just play the basketball.
by Jazzed in Vegas on Nov 9, 2011 10:29 PM MST reply actions
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