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Practical Implications of the Mehmet Okur Trade

I was standing on an elevator in a hospital when the Utah Jazz informed me by text that Mehmet Okur had been traded to New Jersey for a future second round pick. Damn. So much for loyalty. That was my initial thought. I was pretty pissed off. I love Mehmet Okur the basketball player and the person. He literally sacrificed his body and his career to try to help the Jazz. He's awesome. He has awesome hair. He has an awesome voice. He seems like the type of guy you would want to have a Ginger Beer with. He made some amazing shots in his day. He was the starting center for a very very good team for 2 or 3 years.

When I stopped to think about the trade, I was still disappointed, but I understood why the Jazz would do it. It was a good business decision. It was a good trade.

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Everyone can be Right

And that brings me to the first point I would like to make about the trade. It's okay to be mad about it and it's okay to think it's a great trade. Jazz fans took to twitter and facebook and this site after the trade like Christmas shoppers trying to buy Air Jordans and argued why it was such a crappy trade or why it was the most fantastic thing. Maybe it's both. I remember tweeting last season that the Jazz would be a fun team to watch, because I personally cared for all of the players. They were all good guys. I enjoy liking the Jazz players for more than their on-court accomplishments. It's okay to love the players. But I also see the other side. Kevin O'Connor said that "Boy Scouts don't win" referring to the fact that sometimes the Jazz have to employ good basketball players that might not be the most outstanding citizens in their community. Sometimes business trumps what is courteous or kind. It probably often does.

From a business standpoint, it was a very good trade. At the very least the Jazz just cut their expenses by about 18% without drastically weakening their product. It would have been nice to have Mehmet Okur, but he wasn't going to singlehandedly change the total amount of wins for this Jazz team. And the Jazz acquired a $10.8 million trade exception. If the Jazz don't use any of the trade exception, they have just saved themselves about $8.7 million ( the contracted amount the Jazz would have owed Okur over 66 games). And although I can imagine that Mehmet himself was blindsided and upset by having to move his family across the country, it might be a great opportunity for him. He will get minutes for the Nets and maybe even be a starter for the next 4-6 weeks until Lopez returns. Hopefully it works out for the Jazz and Mehmet Okur.

And if you are a Jazz fan who thinks the Jazz will eventually improve this team by using the trade exception the team acquired in the deal, you can have hope and scout NBA rosters for the player you would love the Jazz to acquire.

More about that Trade Exception

You have read and heard a lot about trade exceptions and maybe you don't care to know any more about them or what they might mean to the Jazz. If that is the case, you don't have to read any further. But for the 7 of you who want to know, let's discuss.

For simplicity sakes, a trade exception almost always occurs when a team trades away a player and doesn't take a player back. A pick is included in the trade instead. This is actually the 5th TPE (Traded Player Exception) that the Jazz have acquired in the last 3 years. They acquired one when they traded Ronnie Brewer ($2.7 million), when they traded Matt Harpring and Eric Maynor (about $8 million), in the Deron Williams trade ($1.8 million, in a complicated way that happens when multiple guys are traded), and with the Boozer sign and trade ($14 million), and this Okur trade ($10.8 million). Of the previous four TPEs only the Boozer one was ever used. The Jazz used that exception to acquire Al Jefferson. So as you can see, there is a decent if not very good chance that the Jazz don't use the trade exception at all. Afterall, Kevin O'connor said the Jazz would be aggressive in trying to use it and that the Miller family had given him permission to do so, but it goes without saying that the Jazz would have to improve to do so and the Miller's may be hesitant, after using their last trade exception didn't exactly improve the team in the ways they had hoped.

How does a team use a trade exception?

The Jazz can now acquire a player, or players whose salary or salaries add up to no greater than $10.8 million, while only sending a draft pick(s) back. That is the simple explanation.

How could the Jazz acquire a desirable player with the TPE?

That's a very good question. It will be very very hard. If I had to bet on it, I would bet that this trade exception goes completely unused. Most trade exceptions do, as the Jazz have shown. But at the same time, the Jazz are in a better position to use this one, since their short and long term salary commitments are relatively meager. But the truth of the matter is that another team, would be hard pressed to give the Jazz a good player while only getting a draft pick back. But there are conceivably three ways the Jazz could acquire a player with the TPE that I will address. Which teams might be hard pressed to dump salary in the next year? For starters, the ones that will pay the luxury tax. That includes the Celtics, Lakers, Heat, Magic, Spurs, Mavericks, 76ers and Hawks. Now lets take all of the players on all of those teams whose salaries are under or equal to $10.8 million. For times sakes, I am going to exclude every crappy player from that list leaving us with:

Ray Allen

Rajon Rondo

Brandon Bass

Mario Chalmers

Hedo Turkoglu

Jameer Nelson

JJ Redick

Ryan Anderson

Richard Jefferson

Rodrigue Beaubois

Thaddeus Young

Jrue Holiday

Marvin Williams

Jeff Teague

1. Gladly taking a player off another team's hands

The only players on this list that are going to be given to the Jazz freely by the other team are Turkoglu, Jefferson and Marvin Williams. Maybe the Jazz like those players. I don't. And if the Magic or 76ers got really desperate I guess you could foresee them dumping JJ Redick or Thaddeus Young, but don't hold your breath. But like I said, there is little incentive for any team in the NBA to give away a good player for free. More likely...

2. Two players, one with a bad contract.

You can call this the Eric Maynor rule. The Thunder used there cap space to take on Matt Harpring's ridiculous contract, but charged the Jazz Eric Maynor for it. But remember, if the Jazz did this, the two contracts together would have to total less than $10.8 million. In this line of thinking I could see the Jazz acquiring Rodrigue Beaubois by taking on Shawn Marion's contract or Jeff Teague in a Teague/Marvin Williams deal. Both possibilities, but not great ones. Neither one gets me excited. The most likely way the Jazz use the trade exception is the third way...

3. Draft Day Dealings

Since the trade exception expires in one year, the Jazz will be able to use it during the offseason. If the Jazz had a decent draft pick or two, they could trade the pick or picks for a player to be placed in the trade exception. That opens up really any player in the NBA that their team wants to trade for picks. And obviously the better the draft pick, the better player it will fetch. No team is going to trade a good player to the Jazz until they know what pick they are getting, so a trade like this isn't happening until after the draft lottery. And this type of trade is the ONLY way the Jazz are acquiring a guy like Rajon Rondo, or Jrue Holiday. It is the way the Celtics dealt for Ray Allen. They traded their 5th pick (Jeff Green) for Allen, using their cap space.

Like I said, this is the best way for the Jazz to acquire a gamechanger with their TPE. If the Jazz use the exception, look for it to happen after the offseason draft lottery. I would bet money on it. The exception either goes unused or during this summer.

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protest on bc7 / @bjcseven's behalf

that JJ Redick’s name doesn’t get a hyperlink

by moni on Dec 24, 2011 1:57 AM MST reply actions  

It is because he needed to put it like this J.J. Redick

by dj baller on Dec 24, 2011 1:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Fixed.

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by clarkpojo on Dec 24, 2011 2:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Great objective look at the trade, but

my issue is that the Jazz could’ve gotten more than a 2015 protected 2nd round pick for Memo. Sure, the trade gave us the exception and also opened up minutes for Kanter. But Memo is a solid center with a ring.

Kwame Brown just signed a $7mill contract, clearly this league puts a heap of value on bigs that can play. Not to mention, a lot of teams need center’s and have assets to give. This trade happened virtually overnight (to our eyes at least) and I find it hard to believe that if Okur was put on the trade block we wouldn’t have gotten much more in return.

I’d love to hear more from KOC on the trade. I respect the man, but so far all he’s given us is spin. I want to hear him drilled on if this really was the best trade we could have made with poor Moneyman Memo.

by G Note on Dec 24, 2011 2:01 AM MST reply actions  

I think the nets were desperate and this about all we could get for memo.

Oftentimes these picks are so conditional that the team receiving them never even gets them. They are formalities. But getting the nets to pay all of occurs salary is a big deal. Another poster mentioned that you can usually purchase a late first round or early 2nd round pick for $3 million. So saving this money could be equivalent to 3 Phoenix suns first round picks! Kidding mr. Sarver. Sort of.

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by clarkpojo on Dec 24, 2011 2:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

valid concern, but my problem

is that you’re assuming the Jazz didn’t value the $$ relief and future flexibility more than some guy who would come in, tie up $$, and occupy bench space immediately. I’m sure they could have traded for a better player, but if your options are: (1) getting a guy who, with near certainty, will not have a significant impact on your team but will cost you money and constrain flexibility; or (2) get an asset (yes, I hate that word in these NBA talks too) that gives you some possibility that you might use it to acquire a player who could make an impact at some point in the future; I think a savvy manager takes option 2 every time.

With that said, it sucks that this trade involved Memo. I loved the guy too. Great post mixing the emotional aspect with the reasonable side of this trade. Rec’d.

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by Mac_Diego on Dec 24, 2011 6:46 AM MST up reply actions  

The Jazz could also trade for a higher pick

Assuming the Jazz get Golden State’s pick, they could trade one lottery pick and use the TPE to get a good player, and then trade the player and the other lottery pick for a top-2 or top-3 pick. One top 3 pick would probably be better than 2 picks between 6 and 12. Everything depends on who gets those picks and which players the Jazz can acquire, though.

by Isaxx on Dec 24, 2011 8:51 AM MST reply actions  

Didn’t we do something like this to draft Deron Williams where we traded two picks to move up? Maybe KOC is positioning himself for this next draft.

by Toasteroven on Dec 24, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks

for the breakdown Clark. Great stuff.

by scrantonicity33 on Dec 24, 2011 11:22 AM MST reply actions  

Very good breakdown Clark - rec'd

If I could figure out how from my Android app. I also was disappointed, but understand. I don’t think it makes much sense to ‘we could have gotten more out of the trade’. Had the front office ben able to do that there is no doubt they would have. Teams know we are overloaded in the front court. Memo, for all he is, is probably the least desirable asset we have there (and relatively expensive), he’s older and coming back from injury so there are unknowns there as well.

On paper is he ’ worth’ more? Certainly. But real worth is based on what someone else would actually give for him. I have a hard time not believing that they wouldn’t have reached out to every other team in the league to asses what other offers might be made. And if MAYBE something was offered a little better from another team and the FO went with NJ – there are going to be reasons for that decision as well. Though I doubt anyone else did.

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by jazzed on Dec 24, 2011 11:43 AM MST via Android app reply actions  

Who I'd Love

Off all those guys listed, i really like Jameer Nelson. I’m a little upset with the Jazz, because if they waited to pull the trigger on the Okur deal, say they wait to become the third team in the eventual Nets/Magic Trade, they send Okur to the Magic, Magic send us Nelson, we get a second rounder from the Nets, and the Nets get Howard. minus whatever they give up to the Magic.

Instead, we showed our hand early, and now we can’t do anything and are stuck with Haris and Watson as our two point guards.

Don’t even bother asking me about Rondo, I don’t want him and the Jazz don’t need him him nor should they want him IMO

by Matty D on Dec 24, 2011 2:16 PM MST reply actions  

I see what you're saying but that's a huge risk...

To wait around for the Dwight Howard trade that may not happen.

And I think rondo is a top 5 point guard in the NBA and would be a great fit for this team but he isn’t getting traded here.

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by clarkpojo on Dec 24, 2011 5:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

its hard for me to take someone seriously

who says they’d rather have jameer nelson than rajon rondo…

by PMoney on Dec 24, 2011 4:34 PM MST reply actions  

I realize what it sounds like

However, with that being said, Nelson can actually hit an outside shot and space the floor. Rondo can’t shoot at all, so offensively its 4 v 5, which is not what this team needs right now.

by Matty D on Dec 24, 2011 9:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Our team has plenty of scoring options right now, or at least we will in a year or two when all our young guys put it together. What we are really going to need is a point guard who can facilitate our team. I would take Rondo over Nelson any day.

by TurboJazz224 on Dec 24, 2011 10:59 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I cannot understand why the Jazz would invest 4 years into developing Fesenko, and just when he finally has the skills to be a capable backup have absolutely no interest in him.

I’m sure whomever signs him will be thanking the Jazz for all their hard work in preparing a nice player for them.

The only explanation I can think of is that the Jazz know they are not going to be competing for anything of significance for quite a long time, and so they do not need to stockpile role players with specific skills. Fesenko can guard very big centers and plug up the key against penetrating wing players—at a basement bargain price.

If the Jazz ever hope to go very far into the playoffs they will need someone with the kind of size that Fesenko has. However, the fact that they have no interest in him tells me they have no delusions of going deep into the playoffs for a very long time. Also, maybe the Jazz have no tolerance for anyone with a sense of humor—only solemn, dour faces and expressions are allowed in the Utah Jazz camp. I don’t think that bodes well for Enes Kanter who seems to have a sense of humor. Did everyone forget that Jerry Sloan has retired—or is that attitude part of the Jazz organization’s way of carrying on his legacy.

by Fesenko for President on Dec 25, 2011 11:47 AM MST reply actions  

Let's say we sign Fes, when is he going to play?

Our current depth chart at center is as follows:
Jefferson, Kanter, Favors
As for the Jazz having no tolerance for anyone with a sense of humor, I think you are mistaken. The Jazz have always preached professionalism, doing things the right way, working hard, earning your minuets, playing to win, etc. Fes got into trouble for his lack of professionalism. It wasn’t just the joking around, it was the lack of film study, reporting to camp out of shape, goofing off etc.
After 4 years of “development” Fes is what he is.

by socaljazzfan on Dec 25, 2011 4:03 PM MST reply actions  

He will play based on matchups--otherwise, he quietly sits on the bench without complaining, glad to have a job.

If the Jazz win just one or two regular season games, on playoff game, or better yet, one playoff series, because Fez can come in and guard a big center, it would be worth paying his veteran minimum salary for the entire year.

by Fesenko for President on Dec 25, 2011 7:10 PM MST up reply actions  


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