Back In The Saddle - The Downbeat - #650
CJ Miles in the Salt Lake Tribune,
"We just have to find some continuity, some rhythm, where everybody knows what everybody likes to do," Utah forward C.J. Miles said. "I don't think we've gotten to that point where everybody knows where everybody likes to be."
Good luck with that. As we saw last season even with an All-star point guard, that's hard to do quickly. Add in the irregularities of this shortened season and that doesn't bode well. There will be some nights where things come together and shots fall, but with the turnover the team has had, and will have, this will be a bigger factor that we thought.
A short memory would serve the team -- not to mention the fans -- well this season.
I didn't get anything up on this last night officially, but Fess has officially signed a one-year deal to play with the Warriors according to Sam Amick of SI.com. Up to this point, we haven't heard anything from Fesenko on his rehab or his plans. He had been pursued by the Heat, Mavs, and Raptors. Fess in Miami would have had the most appeal for fans given the spotlight down there and Fess in South Beach.
The Warriors already have Andris Biedrins and recently signed Kwame Brown to a one-year, $7 million deal. The combined free-throw percentage of all three is somewhere around 50%.
I'm interested to see what kind of shape Fess is in. He was never one to be known to be ready to go when training camp started. But he has been rehabbing since his injury in Eurobasket and that may have been a good thing for him. Of course there's NBA basketball shape and he hasn't been through even the abbreviated training camp. I don't expect much PT from him to start out. However, he could be getting regular minutes by the time the Warriors visit the Jazz in March. Perhaps that should be our SLC Dunk night out game?
I think what I've decided in regards to #FesenkoFriday is to have one last going away FF and then turn it over to the guys at Golden State of Mind. If there's any other fan base that will embrace Fesenko and FF like we have, it's the Dubs fans. I've already reached out to them and they're looking forward to it. So if you have any pictures or suggestions for this Friday's finale, let me know.
We'll start up something on SLC Dunk to take the place -- though we really can't -- of Fesenko Friday.
Of course I felt like the refs did us no favors, but this was startling,
Is this right? Jazz starters shot 1 free throw in 119 combined minutes? Perhaps attacking the basket is something to consider ...
— Steve Luhm (@sluhm) December 28, 2011
The lone free throw by a starter was from Gordon Hayward on an and-1 play. This was a combination getting no calls and from the Jazz not going at the basket. I couldn't do a lookup on BBRef for least free throws attempted by a starting unit, but this has to be a near-record low.
One final note from last night. Last season, the Jazz had one of the best starting units on the floor when you swapped out Raja Bell for CJ Miles. I don't want to turn this into a Raja bashing session. I just want to point out that last season, after the trade, that we had to other pretty good units when CJ was in instead of Raja. Here's one with Favors at the PF spot and one with Paul Millsap. Both units played well in significant minutes.
Interestingly enough, Bell plays better with CJ on the floor at the three and has not been a part of many good units where Devin Harris is running the point. He's played well with Deron Williams and Earl Watson, but not with Harris. I think Bell could be a good second unit player alongside Watson and where he wouldn't have to guard the elite shooting guards of the game. I think Bell still has value with the team, just not with the first team.
You probably missed this last night -- one of the few highlights -- thanks to the Heat/Celtics and TNT.
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32.2% shooting...
That’s like the whole TEAM consisting of nothing but Raja Bell! At least there’s another game tonight, although I don’t know exactly how consoling that is.
"Shoot baskets, not people." -AK
Corbin
I hope Corbin has enough fire in him to rally his players for todays game. Sap should start with Favors. Cj needs to lead the second team make it his own.
I think Fess may blossom some where like Golden State. I do worry for him off of the court. Oh and OG should guard Kobe not Raja.
Not to overreact or anything but
here is a list of things that I have no use for:
Devin Harris
Raja Bell
Al Jefferson
Tyrone Corbin
As to No. 5, If that same play were reversed, with Kobe dunking and Favors trailing, a foul would have been called on Favors. Just saying.
I’m not sure all the first round draft picks in the world are worth having to watch the Jazz’s excuse for “the basketball” last night.
So, we should fire Corbin after one game?
Sounds like a plan….
by TurboJazz224 on Dec 28, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
based upon his performance after he took over last season
and this first game, I think there are serious holes in his decision making as a coach. Corbin was in over his head against Mike Brown last night. Mike Brown!!! Also the Jazz played completely uninspired basketball. I know Jerry Sloan’s believed that it was not his job to motiviate his players, but he was coaching self motivated Hall of Famers. Corbin is coaching the Island of Misfit Toys Allstars. They need motivation.
Also, how do we still not have a single shot maker on this whole team?
His performance after he took over last season?
Please. You really can’t judge him based on that, either. If his team shows no improvement after he has a full summer league, training camp, and preseason under his belt next year, THEN we might have a problem.
"Shoot baskets, not people." -AK
Disagree
Phil Jackson cannot be judged because he only ever coached teams full of All Stars and Hall of Famers. Corbin can be judged for the line-ups he trots out, the substitutions and match ups he makes and the way he handles end of game situations. So far his grade is very poor. If you think I’m waiting until the start of the mid point of the 2012 season to judge him you’re fooling yourself.
You talk as though he has a built in excuse and should get a pass. As a fan, I deserve to see effort and hard work from the Jazz. I saw neither from the Jazz last night. Corbin started camp by saying no one was guaranteed a starting spot, but they would have to earn their spots. Then he went out and started Jefferson over Millsap? Are you kidding me?
The team plays better with Watson at the point. He should be starting. Millsap plays infinity times harder than Jefferson. He should be starting. And Raja Bell? I don’t even have the words. Corbin set the standard. Starting spots would have to be earned, then he through that out the window and basically went with last years starters save for the one player (MIllsap) who actually deserves to start! We know that Harris, Jefferson and Bell suck together! We had the back end of last season to learn that! How exactly did they “earn” their starting spots? How is that coaching?!
Bottom line? Corbin has a credibility problem.
Seriously, it’s the FIRST game of the season. Give the poor guy some time. Granted, I think he made some mistakes last night (sitting Hayward and Favors so much), and stating Bell, but he has to learn from those mistakes. Also, you cant completely blame the coach for guys not playing hard, all you can do is expect him to limit their minutes in the following games. Finally, If we fired a coach that quickly, do you really think other coaches would want to come here? If these same mistakes are still being made at the end of the season, then I will agree that Corbin needs to go, but give the guy some time!
I would not be opposed to Watson as the starting PG.
I agree, Raja should not be starting.
Favors is the better defender, Milsap is more skilled offensively right now. Doesn’t it make sense to play the better defender on the other teams starting 4, and the better offensive player on the other teams bench 4? We limit their scoring, but they wont be able to limit ours. Seems like Corbin is making the correct choice here to me.
by TurboJazz224 on Dec 28, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Is it too early
to start talking about the 2012 draft?
It's never too early.
Hopefully the Dubs are the 24th best team in the league this year.
"Shoot baskets, not people." -AK
Ha ha, exactly
I REALLY wish there was some better pg talent coming out of this draft though…
by TurboJazz224 on Dec 28, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
No reason to panic
But the team does look a little off. There are a lot of new pieces and they haven’t found how everything fits together yet. Even really good teams have bad days. Even so, let’s say this team does turn out really bad… that’s not what I want as a fan, but there would be a silver lining: the draft. We already have a quartet of pretty talented young guys (not counting Evans yet – still not sure what he brings beyond leaping ability). Imagine adding someone like Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones to that, plus maybe another nice piece with the Golden State pick. The team’s ceiling is not very high this year anyway – a playoff spot at best. The future, however, remains bright. The Jazz could be very, very good 3-4 years from now if we’re willing to weather the storm. We just have to hope they make the right decisions in the meantime.
Thanks for keeping a level head
Everyone needs to calm down! Its a young team, new coach, our first game of the season, and we were on the road. What did everyone expect to happen? I certainly didn’t think it would be as ugly as it was, but the refs weren’t blowing the whistle for us, and we just couldn’t hit a shot. Every night wont be as bad as last night, but we should all temper our expectations a little considering all the forces we have working against us.
by TurboJazz224 on Dec 28, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks
For this. Way too much cray Jazz thought right now. I love the 2012 draft as a backup to a lousy season. We are gonna struggle 2 out of every 3 games this year. On account of every other team struggling 1 out of every 2 games, we should finish with around 25 or so wins. Add the obligatory “nobody knows anything anyway” 30% margin for error, we could be high lottery or low playoff. My preference is for the latter.
by unitedelectric on Dec 28, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
Um yeah
Crazy. Not cray. I do love Robert Cray though. Any way to edit posts around here?
by unitedelectric on Dec 28, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
On another thought...
I think one of the biggest downsides of the lockout is that we had so much time to over hype our team and our players. I am as guilty of this as anyone, but I recognize it now. Yeah, we have a lot of young guys with potential, and yeah, we have a few vets with some talent, but we need some serious playing time to figure out a complete game plan. Not only do we have a young coach trying to figure out what his system is going to be, but most of the guys on our team have little to no experience playing with each other. As other have said, in a few years, if we make good decisions and use our assets wisely, our team could have a real shot.
true i also expect our team to figure themselves out
maybe about by february. to be competetive by then. that’s ok for now
Yeah it sucked but...
I loved Kanters effort. He got blocked a bunch and will have to work that out, but he was good on the boards and really looked like he wanted to beast it inside. I think he might turn out pretty well.
Favors looked to attack the basket too and that dunk was a monster.
I’m looking forward to seeing more extended playing time for the young guys.
by Nosanti on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Al just doesn't belong
He’s looked bad in the preseason, and bad last night. Very dissapointing for someone who is supposedly the best shape of his life. No passion from him, Harris, or Bell, felt like Sap was the only player who truly cared last night. Bell must be dead on in practice, because I cannot for the life of me figure out how he is still starting.
Utah>*
by Bebop on Dec 28, 2011 2:34 PM MST reply actions 1 recs

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