Retrospective Diagnosis of Game 1: Jazz 71, Lakers 96
Let’s get something clear, and out of the way from the beginning – I had always felt like we were going to lose this game. The LA Lakers were a better team than we were last season, and we got much worse over the off-season. We had youth, but most of the guys were in different parts of the library, let alone reading in the same room, let alone reading the same book, and let alone being on the same page. The Lakers, for all their faults, are still formidable; even without their young 7’1 center Andrew Bynum. Things like being on the third game in as many nights were not going to stop LA. Not when they were playing at home in a TV game, while their best player was banged up, and they were coming off of 4 losses in a row to be swept out of the playoffs last year, two losses in a row during the preseason, and two losses to start the regular season. The universe does not allow for the Lakers to go 0-3, felled by a team shooting 32.2 fg%. They embarrassed us, it was a really bad game. And Jazz fans shouldn’t be too quick to move on to the next game and forget this even happened. It did. And we’re going to investigate why.
Retrospective Diagnosis?
I’m trying to add more to SLCDUNK.com before I have to leave it. I was sloppy and late with my assignments, and felt like I could be doing more than just my non-scheduled 7000 word "magazine style" posts. I joined this great team so I wouldn’t have to go over previews and recaps, and follow all the breaking news. The least I could do was talk about the games we play, after we play them. Right? I’m sorry this isn’t music based, like my previous sections: the Sunday Syncopation and the Jazz Jam Sessions. This is, after all, more close to my field of work. So let’s get to it.
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Game Result: Blowout Loss
A loss can happen for any number of reasons, but a blowout loss has a few early indicators. The biggest ones are a) if your team is vastly underprepared, or b) if the other team really wants it more than your team. I think it is fair to say that our team was underprepared; and I am basing this upon the high turnover of players; new members to the coaching staff; almost zero training camp; and only two preseason games. The Lakers have a new coaching staff, rotation players, offense, and all those other disadvantages too – but they are still running things with Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Derek Fisher, and Metta World Peace. They have all been core guys for championship teams and know how to play this game. And they’ve all been together for a while and held it down when their new guys didn’t know what they were doing. The guys on our team who kind of know what we are doing on the court at Paul Millsap and C.J. Miles – and they played 24 and 18 minutes total last game. Gasol, Kobe, Fish, and Ron Artest World Peace played 37, 31, 26, and 27 minutes last night. Mike Brown leaned on his vets last night, but he leaned on the right vets – the ones who had some level of understanding among them. They got them the lead, and they got them a bigger lead when the Jazz almost got it down to under 20 points.
The Lakers also wanted it more, and I mentioned why earlier on before the jump. But those are not the only reasons why the blowout happened, of course not. We gotta go into the stats . . .
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The Lab results came back . . .
. . . and they are not good. Even if you are playing the expansion season Vancouver Grizzlies without half of their starters you are not going to be in for an easy night when you shoot 32.2 fg%, and 7.7 3pt% for the entire game. It’s easy to say bad things about the refs (Lakers went to the line 37 times, and the Jazz went to the line 17 times – most of those came in the late 3rd and 4th quarter when the game was out of reach), but it’s the Jazz who lost this game. And they lost it with their play.
There were only two Jazz players who shot the ball over 50 fg%: Derrick Favors (4/7, 57.1%) and Jeremy Evans (2/2, 100.0%). If you remove those two guys this is what you are left with – the rest of the team shooting 28.4 fg%. It would have been nice to have gotten Favors and Evans more shots – but they just don’t shoot that frequently. Favors, whom we all wish becomes some sort of new version of Karl Malone / Terry Cummings / Otis Thorpe . . . shot the ball once every 2.7 mins on the floor (that’s 2:42 of game time for people who don’t understand fractions). He did not even play 20 minutes last game (partly due to early foul trouble – but what are you worried about, fouling out of the first game of the season in a year where we’re not going to make the playoffs? Let the kid make mistakes out there. This isn’t the NBA Effin Finals, Tyrone). Evans shoots even less frequently, usually, but last night he shot the ball twice in 5 minutes of action. I can’t help it if his point guard (Earl Watson) sets him up to score when they are in together. This is part of that rotational short hand that Mike Brown leaned on last night by playing guys like Kobe and Gasol together, or Gasol and Artest together. (Er, I mean World Peace) The two guys with the most on court co-operation played only garbage time minutes together. It’s sad when Mike Brown out coaches you.
I like the points per shot statistic. (But I’m not saying it’s the only one that matters, there are plenty of others we need to look at…) It factors in getting to the line in the over-all, unified theory of point making. Karl Malone, for his career, delivered 1.41 points per shot attempted; which is much higher than league average of about 1.22 (over the last 22 years now). As a team the Jazz scored 71 points off of 90 shots. That is a pps value of 0.79; while the Lakers enjoyed a 1.35 pps advantage. Everyone on the Jazz (save for Evans who was at 2.00 pps) was below that 1.22 pps average. The guys we want (we being the fans) to take the shots were Paul Millsap (1.20), Derrick Favors (1.14), Gordon Hayward (0.88), Devin Harris (0.83), C.J. Miles (0.50), and Al Jefferson (0.25). What made Karl so great was the efficiency with which he scored with. On the flip side, last night Al Jefferson needed four shots to make one point. And you get two points for making 1 shot, remember. Abstractions aside he went 2/16, and shot 12.5 fg%. Not every shot was a set up, back to the basket isolation shot. Of course not, a vast majority of our shots near the basket were patty-cake tip in attempts. I was vehemently upset about our play last night. When we should have gone straight back up on an offensive rebound we gathered, and allowed the defense to collapse on us. When we should have taken some time and made space we went right back up into the non-fouling arms of the Lakers. They ate our lunch in the paint. We shot ourselves in the feet by constantly missing. Hoopdata.com indicates that the Jazz, as a team, went 17-36 at the rim. And went 1-8 from 3-9 feet from the basket. That is a combined 18 for 44. Or 40.9 fg% -- and our entire roster and offense is predicated upon layups and close shots near the basket. For a point of reference, the Lakers went 14 for 26, which is 53.8 fg%. We crashed the glass, and nearly broke the backboard with all the bricks we were desperately trying to throw at the basket.
It’s not all the fault of guys like Millsap or Jefferson though (who went a combined 5 for 19 from these two areas, combined). Enes Kanter went 1/5 at the rim. I’m not going to eat his lunch for going 0/1 from 3-9’ from the rim. I’m not going to eat his lunch for going 0/1 from 16-23’ from the rim. I am going to eat his lunch for going 1/5 at the rim. I said before that I wasn’t going to put both a jock strap on him *and* a diaper. We need to come to terms with the fact that he can’t jump. And if you are a big who can’t jump you either have to learn to use your body as a weapon to make space (like Karl Malone), or learn all the dispy-do post moves like Kevin McHale and Al Jefferson. Or just take fade away 15 footers like Carlos Boozer. What you absolutely can’t do is continue to get blocked by forcing your way into failure. It’s not like he was getting destroyed by Dwight Howard or even Andrew Bynum. He was having trouble with Josh McRoberts and Troy Murphy. A rookie Kyrylo Fesenko went hard at the rim and came away with his fair share of misses too. In his rookie year Fes scored at the rim only 42.0 fg% of the time. The second round ultimate project would have seasons of scoring at the rim all pretty high after that, finishing with a cumulative Jazz career (at the rim) field goal percentage of 63.6%. I have much higher expectations for Kanter. And so does Kanter. He will get better. But he has to be taught how to play better.
Tyrone Corbin said that part of the reason why we lost the game is because we missed shots we should have made. That’s like me saying a patient died because they got sick from something they wouldn’t normally have gotten sick from. That said, I’m going to give him a partial pass because he is right – we don’t expect Josh Howard to blow layups (until he changes his name to Harpring…), and we don’t expect all of our three point attempts to either be "open shots that didn’t go in" or "Earl Watson heaves with 1 second left on the shot clock". Our guards and wingplayers did not bring it on offense. C.J. Miles – our most experienced Jazz guy – was his usual mercurial self, and shot 1 for 8. Gordon Hayward missed everything outside the paint, except for a baseline jumper. Alec Burks didn’t make a single shot. All in all, last night’s game is only going to further strengthen in insane, short sighted argument, that Tyrone Corbin has to start and play starters minutes to Raja Bell (42.9 fg%, 6 points, 0.86 pps).
Overall the Jazz did not even play half bad defense, at times. The Lakers shot 42.3%, part of that was legs, another part could be attributed to the Jazz defense. The Lakers missed shots too. The Jazz only turned the ball over 10 times, one less than the Lakers. Previous Jazz teams would have had 16 turn overs before the end of the third quarter. The Jazz held their own on the glass, for the most part. The Lakers missed 41 times, and only got an offensive rebound 26.8% of the time. That’s still greater than 1 in every 4 misses; which is technically a few percentage points worse than last season when the other team got an offensive rebound 26.5% of the time. But the Jazz got their own miss nearly 5% more often than last season. What is even more remarkable is that we fought for our misses. In previous games the Jazz would get blocked, the Lakers would recover and start a fast break. Our tenacity on the offensive glass got us a low fg%, but also had a negative effect on the Lakers fast break. (And so did their tired legs, let’s not say it’s all the Jazz) They had to fight for their defensive boards, instead of previous years where we’d just give up the ghost. Way fewer one and dones was nice to see. But rebounds couldn’t save the Jazz when they shot worse than Kenny Anderson did. (He wasn’t a very efficient scorer, for you young’uns.)
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Problem Areas
The Jazz offense is built around shooting close to the basket, and we did that. And we did not shoot very well. As a result, our imbalanced offense did not have a counter attack. In a perfect situation this is where the coach would play call for more down screens for bigs in order to free up wings who can hit the midrange J. But a perfect situation would have been Phil Johnson (Jerry already thrown out for two techs because of the free throw disparity) freeing up Bryon Russell and Jeff Hornacek with screens from Karl Malone and Antoine Carr. This is not a perfect situation. It’s one thing to bag on the bigs for not getting the job done – but it’s not like the rest of the team executed well either.
Maybe he didn’t call for it, but I didn’t see but one "Harpring Curl" called for any of our wings save for a blotched attempt to CJ. (Where he got it way too close to the defense and chucked it up) Maybe I’m crazy, but I’d think that Hayward and Howard should be able to make MONEY from that shot. Why didn’t we run it? Or if we ran it, did we just do it very poorly? Execution will remain a problem all December. That’s why I felt like January would be where we start getting some wins in a row.
Outside shooting is always going to be a problem – especially on a team that doesn’t try to keep Mehmet Okur (or even Andrei Kirilenko who had a phenomenal year shooting from deep in his last year as a Jazz player). So I’m not even going to address it here. The Jazz shot 1 for 13 from deep. Jason Kapono went 1 for 3. He equaled us in three shots. Why do we not try to get guards who can shoot? Are we hoping at the end of the season our wins will round up to a greater number because of ‘degree of difficulty’? This isn’t figure skating Kevin O’Connor . . .
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Some of the guys we wanted to be awesome did not play awesome
We love most of this team, and will always support the Jazz. This was the first game of the season, but if you ask me, it’s the third game of the pre-season. Hayward needs to find his shot confidence, and Al Jefferson needs to go to the rim harder. He got blocked on a dunk attempt, but that doesn’t mean he has to regress to a poor midrange jump shooter. That’s what happened to Carlos Boozer psychologically against the Lakers. We’ll have no hope if this happens to Big Al as well.
Favors is going to be a foul magnet all his career if he doesn’t ever get enough playing time to change the refs perception of him on the court. (Fesenkitis) He got whistled for a foul about every 5 mins on the court. He has to be out there to challenge that perception. "Hiding him" or "saving him" by taking him out of games, and keeping him out of games early, isn’t helping him. And Kanter is going to be a grounded player all of his career as well. He doesn’t have the length that a guy like Gasol has. He’s a big body, but his footwork can always improve. I’d like to see him watch a lot of Karl Malone and Luis Scola tape. Those are both guys who can’t jump for their lives, but are / were a threat to score 20 every single game.
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Some of the guys we wanted to get playing time did not even get that
When you are down 35 points it’s okay to put the bench guys in. It’s also prudent to do that when you are down 25 points. Or 20 points with 4 to go in the third quarter. The Jazz shot themselves into being on the wrong end of a blowout; and did not get players a chance to really play. If Alec Burks and Jeremy Evans can manage to get 11 minutes (total) in a 30 point drubbing, is there any hope they get playing time during a close game? I hope so . . . I don’t think that Josh Howard is in our long term plans. Glad to know that we’re shafting our long term plans to give a has-been a shot at earning another NBA contract. And also Jamaal Tinsley. At least he only got 2 minutes of play.
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The big picture:
This was the first game. It’s silly to over-react to one game. It’s also dumb to automatically brush off any game in a 66 game season. We have to look at everything in order to see trends and patterns before they become a threat to our health. One of the things we always look for is behavior. I think I’m going to be very interested in Tyrone Corbin this season. Before I wasn’t worried about him, but after seeing the rotations early on this season (all three games, two in the preseason), I’m going to be following this all season long. Ty’s substitution behavior is very cut and try. He appears to be going 10 deep, and rolling with two distinct squads, with very little intermingling between them. If Jefferson is shooting his way to a 2-16 night, wouldn’t it be better to not play him like he’s having an 8 for 15 night?
Last season we stuck in a lot of games because of strong bench play from the bench unit we called The S.W.A.R.M. – and I can imagine this year’s starters are also going to be digging us in a hole every few games. I’d like to see a strong bench unit this season. I think Ty is trying to find chemistry in our units by exclusively playing them together. That said, right now it may at the expense of chemistry that already exists. Evans and Watson always do great things. Hayward is also always looking to make things happen with Evans and others. Putting him on the floor with ball movement murdering Al Jefferson (and Devin Harris) isn’t using him at his best. He needs to ALSO see time with the bench unit. Any maybe some bench guys need to surround some of the starters? Hope to see some more mixing and matching going forward.
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Prognosis
The Jazz played an ugly game on offense against a wounded team. We were outclassed, and for the most part didn’t play horrible defensively. (We had no dribble penetration defense, but what else is new…?) Our poor execution, unfamiliarity with one another, and bad shooting earned us a beat down. We have to get better on all three aspects, and will. The rotations will be mixed and matched as well as the season progresses (and our starters start to get injured). It’s not time to panic yet. It will be if guys like Alec Burks has played less than 20 minutes by the time January rolls around. I am a Jazz homer, but I didn’t expect or consider Deron Williams to be a ROY candidate. Nor did I think that guys like Morris Almond or others like him would be either. I do think that Alec Burks can be a ROY type player, provided he gets a chance to be a young player on the floor who makes mistakes and gains the confidence to get better. I almost played more minutes than him last night, in a 30 pt blowout (for most of the 2nd half). And I was a dumb guy sitting at home in front of the TV.
Blowouts hurt, but they hurt twice as much if you don’t learn from them. Jazz will have a test vs the Nuggets. Hope to not see a repeat performance from these guys.
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I like the analysis.
If they are going to call every potential touch foul Favors may or may not commit, he should be fouling out every game. Either he learns to stay in games, or the refs ease up on him some. Playing less than 20 minutes is not acceptable.
It is funny to see Evans do well in his minutes in garbage time, but yet he can never seem to crack any type of consistent burn. I have no idea if Evans can ever be a decent rotation guy, because he has never had that opportunity. The team is doing itself and him a disservice by playing him 5 minutes in a game that was decided about 2 minutes into the third quarter.
I think there is a prejudiced against skinny people
Jeremy does get pushed around, but his athletic ability makes up for that some because he is literally like 11 feet of sure blockingness. Also being skinny helps you flop more and look like you are getting fouled more often because a little nudge can send him flying.
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by Evans Almighty on Dec 28, 2011 11:27 AM MST reply actions
evans deserves at least 10-12 minutes a night i think
by Bryan Chang on Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
totally agree with this
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Great write-up. I saw mostly what you saw. I hope our guys build some confidence and chemistry.
I do have to say that great teams play with some sort of swagger or arrogance. This team needs something like that. Something that separates them from the rest of the league….and no, shooting around 30% isn’t an option for that.
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kanter is a college freshman!
He was reported to have been killing demarcus cousins in practice…..
1 went on the develop under a great coach and great system
another did not have that luxury…..so i guess this is his year in college
the fact that he has great rebounding awareness is something we should be thankful for. At 19 yrs old, his athleticism will increase (including his hops if he works on them!!). The Jazz HAVE TO GET HIM A COACH TO WORK WITH (malone? ewing?) or else he will become a BUST.
Burks…what happen to that shooting over the summer? He is way off now….other than that he’ll slowly adapt his craft of being the athletic sg as he realizes he can’t dominate as easily against the big boys in the NBA when taking it in; that I believe because I think Burks is a hardworking smart guy.
Its easy to shoot when no one has a hand in your face
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by EcERyda69 on Dec 28, 2011 12:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Random thoughts
CJ- What I did like about CJ last night was that he looked about 300% more active on the defensive end. Yeah, Kobe took it to him a couple of times and the great plays that he did make on D were mitigated by foul calls on him and on the defender that he was helping from the weak side, but, I loved watching him sky from the weak side to help. This could be interesting to watch. He looked quick and light.
Kanter- rebounding machine! Someone just needs to teach him to use his body to create space on those put backs. I’m seeing more Kevin Love than Calapari’s “Karl Malone” comparison. Which is okay because I think we have Karl 2.0 in the works with Favors already.
Harris- how do we light a fire under this guy and get him engaged in the game? Seems like he’s pretty apathetic out there.
Raja- sucks…that’s all I have.
CJ, Howard, Millsap- those guys have GOT TO be able to outplay the 6-8th players on most teams. Those 3 are athletic and can create their own opportunities in the offense. I expect a lot more out of them if they stay in the 2nd unit.
Ty- how do you only play Favors for 19 mins????
unless Harris changes
I really don’t think he is a good fit for the Jazz system. A scoring pg who can’t rly score (like what reggie said last night) and his distribution skills have been declining statistically… last night it looked like devin would just initiate the play with 1 pass a lot and then just casually go through the motions. We need him to be more assertive, decisive and use the skills that made him the guy in Dallas and NJ
I would rather have Rubio and Watson as this point!
by Bryan Chang on Dec 28, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
Rubio, Rondo, Nash, Kidd, Andre Miller, Raymond Felton....
I could go on for a while here but I’ll shorten it up and just say that I agree. Maybe I’ve just been conditioned with Stock and D-Will to expect that our PG will be a Floor General and will create and distribute. I thought when we got Harris that he would be able to penetrate and dish a whole lot more than what I’ve seen. I expected his quickness to allow him to get through the first level and create but I haven’t seen it and that’s the most disappointing thing.
What I wouldn’t give for Rondo and his 4 yrs worth of an absolutely reasonable contract…oh goodness…I would make a statue of KOC and offer it homage daily.
The issues with the team right now center at our 1 and 5 spots. They need to get a little more passionate- KG/Deron :( style!
deron gets passionate but...
he can be a little bit of a brat =p
I could care less if our pg scores. We have ppl who can score (also why i think evans should get more playing time). How many pts did stockton avg? How many pts does rondo avg? (except his first 2 games this season…31 and 22..wow!)
by Bryan Chang on Dec 28, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
I'd settle for a hard foul or even just a pimp slap
Next time Kobe starts fussing and trying to show up Raja/Cj I just want them to have the balls to smack him hard on the wrist or pimp him across the face. I saw a tweet last night from someone that said something along the lines of “If Burks wants to play for 10 yrs in this league he just needs to punch Kobe”. I would love to see someone on the team get an attitude. The closest thing that we have to that right now is Millsap and I’m not sure if his attitude is towards the other team or his own situation…
Excellent analysis, we have some gaping holes that need to be addressed
1. Favors and Al do not work well together. We need a passing big man to run the inside-out game, and neither of these fits the bill. Greg Monroe would be a perfect fit to facilitate out of the post.
2. Alec Burks may be an answer, but we need a guard who can create for himself, others, and hit outside shots. I know it’s a dead horse, but what a difference Wes Matthews would make for this team.
3. We need a pg who can run the offense, control the tempo, and push the ball up the court when necessary. A true floor general who can get in his teammate’s face and direct him where to go.
4. It is unrealistic to expect Paul Millsap to be a leader when he has earned a starting position but is relegated to the bench. I’m hoping he doesn’t give up on the team, but it is clear that Al should be coming off the bench if Ty was being truthful about everyone earning their spot.
big al has to start
until Kanter is up to a starter-level skill as a player. I don’t think favors should be a center with millsap starting at PF. I do think that is a great advantage we would have when going small against lineups like GS, T wolves, Hornets
by Bryan Chang on Dec 28, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not going rush into snap judgements based on last nights game
Nor will I try to make any sweeping predictions for how good or bad this team will be.
But to me there is no way this season is not a wothwhile season as long as the 4 youngsters get playing time I am perfectly content to go 16-50 if Burks and Kanter are getting plenty of burn. How is that a terrible thing? Sure we lost a bunch, but our youngsters got a chance to prove their worth (for good or ill) plus we’d get a killer pick! Harrison Barnes, anyone?
Or maybe we’ll make the playoffs as the 8th seed. Cool! As long as the youngsters get to play.
A teams sole purpose is to win a TITLE. A good record means squat. This Jazz team has basically no chance to win the title- so everything they do this season needs to be a means to the end of building a title contender. And that means playing Burks at the expense of Bell. It means playing Kanter at the expense of Al. It means playing Favors even if he fouls out 3 nights in a row.
The future can be bright- lets not let an average corp of vets be an anchor on our necks.
by Stockton2Malone on Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
2 lottery picks??
Don’t we have an extra pick comming up from golden state that we got from NJ?? Even if we tank, I agree with what u said, at least our future players got lots of time to develop. And if we make the 8th seed too? Why not, confidence boost!
also, stockton2malone used to be my fantasy bball team name a few seasons ago! great name!
by Bryan Chang on Dec 28, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
To be clear, I don't we should tank
Nor, in some respects, would we be tanking at all giving Burks and Kanter time over Al and Bell
by Stockton2Malone on Dec 28, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
sry I don't mean purposely
i meant if we “tank” as in just have a bad record, it’s okay as long as our young players developed a lot and learned a lot and we were building toward our future.
It would be bad to keep putting our veterans/starters out, but still not win much while trying to go for the 8th seed while not developing our young players enough
by Bryan Chang on Dec 28, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
bingo
and our “vets” are either NBA castaways or guys going in the opposite direction what we are trying to do playing the young guys not only ‘develops’ them, but they’ll actually also be our best players when the season ends.
which is a win-win season, regardless of playoffs or draft position. we need favors / hayward / burks / kanter to be our best players if we’re going to be a contender vs. needing guys like howard or big al to be our best players.
Harris took 6 shots. a shoot first PG who is not even shooting = _________ ?
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
A shoot first PG who is not even shooting = bench player.
by TurboJazz224 on Dec 28, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
Ty
The only reason Favors minutes should be limited is if he ACTUALLY FOULS OUT! So what if he has 2 fouls early- get him back in the game. If he fouls out we have two other bigs to take his place. No way he should only play 19 mins when he is as productive as he can be while he is on the floor.
I wrote this in anothe thread, but I think I'll write it again.
It makes zero sense having Devin Harris and Al Jefferson on the same team.
Al Jefferson is a beast in the low post. His only real skill is excellent foot work. Throw the ball to him, he’ll pump fake and pivot until his defender has motion sickness, then he’ll throw up the weezy. Yes, it works almost every time, but it basically eliminates the rest of your team from playing offense.
Devin Harris is a shoot first point guard whose best move is the driving floater. His penetration breaks down a defense so he can either shoot, dish to a slashing player, or kick it to someone on the wing for an open 3 (if we had one). None of this works when Jefferson gets the ball, because the entire offense stops and just watches. I totally see why Harris is apathetic, any idiot could bring the ball down the court and throw it to Jefferson in the post.
Short term I would like to see us stop running the offense through Jefferson and let Harris create offense. Long term I would like to see a better passing center (kanter maybe) and a pass first point guard who can help facilitate others.
too bad even if we passed to big al....
he has the “i need to hold the ball for at least 3-5 seconds and make everyone clear out” rule
by Bryan Chang on Dec 28, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
That's exactly my point.
We need to stop passing to him and let him do the work on the boards. If he wants to score, he’s going to have to get rebounds…
by TurboJazz224 on Dec 28, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
To be fair, he's not getting any help from the other 4 on the floor.
TurboJazz is right, they all just stand and watch. Whether that’s because they expect him to be a black hole or they’re just lazy matters not. We need cutters! When he gets the ball, where are our Kirelenko, Horny, Hapring-style cutters? Last night at the beginning of the third Al showed improvement in kicking it back out to the top after he got it in the post, but then we ended up passing to another wing standing on the perimeter. If this team stands on the 3 waiting for the ball, there is zero need for anyone to guard them. WHERE ARE OUR CUTTERS DAGNAMMIT?!?!
It's sad to say,
but I think by the 3rd quarter Al had pretty much given up and knew he was getting owned by Gasol. That’s the only reason he was passing it out of the post.
by TurboJazz224 on Dec 28, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
Well, this may be true.
He looked very downtrodden pretty early. I would be too if I missed that many shots.
Big Al is a real negative to the team
He really stalls the offense and breaks its flow. He doesn’t seem to want to fit into what the team is trying to do. I remember last season Millsap saying he’ll do anything the coaching staff wants him to do even if its playing SF or being on the bench, while Big Al saying he won’t play PF.
He wants to fit into the team concept. He desperately WANTS to.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
+1 I totally agree
I hope this changes, but we had a whole year of watching this already.
The young guys
Favors – Continues to show flashes of what he can do, but needs to stay out of foul trouble. This is true even when the refs favor the Lakers.
Hayward – Actually didn’t play too badly, but the key to him is developing consistency. I did like it when Kobe burned Raja for a dunk, but got stopped by Hayward the next time down the floor. I would like to see the Jazz put the ball in his hands and let him play the ‘point forward’ role a little more.
Kanter – Definitely needs to improve close to the basket. He’s very raw in that area. However, he showed some defensive instincts I didn’t know he had, even if he still has a lot to learn there as well. One thing is for sure – he may lead the league in rebounding a few times before his career is over.
Burks – Hard to gauge his performance due to lack of playing time, but he missed a couple of shots and couldn’t hang defensively. He’s a rookie just learning how to play at this level, but hopefully he shows some flashes at some point this season.
Coaching staff again,
Jazz need to stop fouling teams. Jazz still giving up too many free throws to opposing teams. I understand the Jazz switched their philosophy to force players baseline but that hasn’t really changed how much the opposing team goes to the line.
They forced Kobe baseline and he dunked on us, they forced Metta baseline and he layed it up.
If they’re going to foul players attacking the basket, challenge Kobe going for a dunk attempt and show him no one dunks on us. Don’t let him just dunk on us. Metta World Peace was dunking crazy on us and we just sat around. While we gave up many ticky tacky fouls and basically handed out free throws.
I can’t stand is how timid the team looked. The coaching staff needs to prepare the players mentally. I don’t care if we lose, I want to see the team complete and show grit.
Well
I thought the Jazz sucked. That is all.
Yesterdays game showed that the Jazz have a bunch of one on one type players with no defined role on the team
There are always options in the flex offense. All im seeing is one pass, no cutters, and no movements to try to get the best shot possible. Look at the way the team plays when Deron was running it with Jazz 3.0 as Locke likes to call it. It was precise, it was efficient, it was beautiful to see.
This is something that wont be fixed in the next couple of games. It could take 30 games to get the chemistry going
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
by EcERyda69 on Dec 28, 2011 1:11 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Last night was a slaughterhouse
I was somewhat excited that my flight got canceled so I would be able to watch the game, but it was a total letdown. I was hoping for the effort and hustle of preseason game 2, but all we got was the apathy of preseason game 1. That starting lineup is not working, period, and we’re not even close to being title contenders with our current team. Time for the FO to stop pretending we are and tell Ty that developing the young players is the number one priority.
I’d like to see a lineup of Harris, Hayward, Miles, Sap, and Favors, just to see how they play together, we’d have decent defense with Hayward, Miles, and Favors, actual cutters in Miles and Hayward, an excellent pick and pop player in Sap, a good rebounder, cleanup guy in Favors, and someone to lead the break with Harris. And who knows, maybe Harris playing with a more efficient unit that is more suited to his game, could motivate him to return to the player he once was.
Despite what they say, Harris, Bell, and Al are not in this teams long term goals, so lets stop playing them like they are.
Only reason I can see for Burks getting so little burn is that they didn’t want to mess with his confidence playing against Kobe in his first game (especially since Kobe was looking good last night), but he still should’ve been getting alot of minutes anytime Kobe wasn’t on the floor.
Hoping to see more hustle and better rotations tonight. And a different lineup, but thats doubtful.
Great post as always Amar.
Utah>*
This is a little off-topic, but
I just have to say how thankful I am for the intelligent fans that frequent this blog. I follow the Utah Jazz page on facebook, and every time there is a post from them, I look at the comments. It’s disgusting. No worthwhile arguments, no analysis, and no spelling and grammar (not that mine’s perfect). It’s all “FIRE KOC!” and “The Jazz suuuck.” and “Fire Ty Corbin NOW!” with no explanations or justifications.
At least when people say things like that here, they have arguments to back it up, and intelligent dialogue ensues. Anyway…here ends my mini rant. Thank you for making SLC Dunk so awesome, everyone.
"Shoot baskets, not people." -AK
agree
i follow various Jazz fan sites and boards, and this is by far my favorite, people are very smart and prepared, i think the feel is very goo among all the posters, there’s no unnecesary figthing or insults and stuff like that. best Jazz site ever.
i almost forgot, i really really love Moni’s site too… very unique.
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by Jazzfan_in_Chile on Dec 28, 2011 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
I knew we were in trouble ...
when Fisher “blew” past Harris to the hoop.
Another Jazz Fan in Louisiana
i remember that very vividly
i just had a weird expression on my face with a raised eyebrow and didn’t say anything…rly harris?
is there any news on the starting lineup for today?
i think we should go Harris-Hayward-CJ-Favors-Al or maybe switch CJ and HOward and we keep CJ for scoring in the second unit…
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by Jazzfan_in_Chile on Dec 28, 2011 3:41 PM MST reply actions
After a few more games to get in the swing of things, i’d like to see Hayward start at the 2 and Howard start at the 3. I think this line up would give us the best chance to win. Once Burkes gets up to NBA speed, he would be Hayward’s backup at the 2. That way all our young guys are getting playing time. At this point, I have little patience for CJ or Bell , so I could care less how much either of them play.
by TurboJazz224 on Dec 28, 2011 3:45 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
The only move i hated
Was seeing Hayward start at the 3 and Bell at the 2 ugh. Bell should not be the starting 2, or get the amount of minuteshes getting.
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
by EcERyda69 on Dec 28, 2011 3:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
+1 i really dont get Bell's playing time, he really brings so little to the game, i dont get why he's still playing 35 mins.
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by Jazzfan_in_Chile on Dec 28, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
I will take Corbins word when he says Bell earned the starting spot in training camp,
but Corbin will have to make the decision to bring him off the bench within a few more weeks if Bell continues to struggle. Bell was given the benefit of the doubt all of last year, and it just didn’t work out. Now, Corbin is giving him the same shot again this year, but I hope the leash is short this year.
by TurboJazz224 on Dec 28, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions

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