Two Games in: Production over Playing Time

by AllThatJazzBasketball on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM MST in Statistics

Two games isn't a large sample size, of course not. But it's never too soon to start over-reacting to any piece of information we have available. Right now there's a lot of displeasure with the current playing time rotation for the Jazz. There's the fan's side. There's the coach's side. There's the management's side. There's also the player's side. (Let's not even get into our media, who behaves like dinosaurs sometimes) I'm clearly a fan, above and beyond everything. So I'm biased. I'm also a guy who knows his way around excel, so I like numbers. Here's a simple (and sloppy) chart that shows all of our guys by playing time on the X-Axis. Against that we have the cumulative value of all their points, assists, rebounds, steals, and blocks, on the Y-Axis. A line shows the one to one ratio of per min to PARSB unit. Some guys are above the line. Some are below it. In one case two guys (Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter) have the same value. In all the other cases, well . . . we see who is doing their best on the floor, with the time they have.

Only two guys are above the line: Paul Millsap and Alec Burks. Everyone else is below. Some of our guys are sinking. The hasty construction of this isn't by accident, nor design. Sorry it looks sloppy. Our players play sloppy. When they deserve better charts I'll make better charts. ha ha . . .

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"When they deserve better charts I'll make better charts."

This made me laugh, so thanks for that.

by tyrantking on Dec 29, 2011 1:29 PM MST reply actions 1 recs

Suddenly I wish I knew what our players' faces looked like...

by tyrantking on Dec 29, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions

I also thought this was the highlight of the post.

And there was a lot of other good stuff.

I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time

by Yucca Man on Dec 29, 2011 9:16 PM MST up reply actions

Radio Dinos

Scoffed at the idea of using the amnesty clause on Raja Bell. Now who wouldn’t pay the man to just leave? If Greg wants fans to be okay with the occasional salary dump then he needed to man up and amnesty Raja.

by jusorenson on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM MST reply actions

Like it

This chart is great! I think you should continue to use it in the future. Awesome reference.

by toddbarrow on Dec 29, 2011 1:58 PM MST reply actions

Maybe we should subtract fouls, TO and missed shots...

The whole team will be in the red zone and we will need to curve the grades similar to the one in my undergrad electromagnetic class.

by Soupe on Dec 29, 2011 2:01 PM MST reply actions

i'd like to see this as well

by moni on Dec 29, 2011 7:05 PM MST up reply actions

well, it you want to add everything up we go back to things like PER

which apparently no one likes . . .

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Dec 30, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions

even a math dummy like me can understand complex stats

if they’re depicted in heads-on-grid form…

by moni on Dec 30, 2011 10:25 AM MST up reply actions

ha ha ha

next time i’ll make sure all the heads are the right size in relation to one another

by AllThatJazzBasketball on Dec 30, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions

Play Jamaal/Burks!

Also, Burks showed in 10 minutes that he’s much more productive than Raja Bell. I don’t care if it was garbage time. Bell couldn’t do what Burks was doing even in garbage time! Plus, Tinsley can flat out pass. He’s a much better creator than Harris and Watson. Let him play!

by toddbarrow on Dec 29, 2011 2:02 PM MST reply actions

It makes me kinda ill to admit it, but to this point, Tinsley's the best PG on the team.

But I’d much rather see something creative like Burks/Hayward distributing the ball.

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by JazzHype on Dec 30, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions

FREE TINSLEY AND BURKS CAMPAIGN

by UtonganKidInCali on Dec 29, 2011 2:58 PM MST via Android app reply actions 1 recs

lineups

Corbin has to get a rotation and stick with it. This is what I would like to see:

Starters:
Harris (24 min)
Burks (24 min)
Howard (28 min)
Millsap (32 min)
Favors (30 min)

Bench:
Earl/Tinsley (24 min)
Gordon (24 min)
CJ (20 min)
Jefferson (20 min)
Kanter (14 min)

out of rotation, energy guys:
Evans (hate this, but can’t keep playing 13 guys a night)
Bell (probably needs to get moved)

I actually still like Bell, I love his passion for the game and his fight in him. It’s just not what this team needs. They need someone who can score, because the offense is so problematic. Bell would do a lot better on a team that has a chance to compete for something. he could play a Battier role for someone. This is an awful fit for him now. I think it was a good fit when he signed here. Not anymore.

Big Al should not be playing with Favors, he should be playing with Kanter. Kanter doesn’t need possesions to do his thing. Favors does. Al takes way too many.

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by cmag on Dec 29, 2011 4:54 PM MST reply actions

No way that Burks and Howard

should be starting over Hayward. There is no question he is the better player right now, and while Burks killed it in garbage time, we still haven’t really seen him play against elite competition. For now, he needs to come off the bench, but still get serious minutes.

Utah>*

by Bebop on Dec 29, 2011 6:44 PM MST up reply actions

Agree

Hayward has been, by FAR, the best playmaker. If the team wants anything besides Harris dumping the ball into Al while everyone watches … it’s going to come from Hayward.

I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time

by Yucca Man on Dec 29, 2011 7:54 PM MST up reply actions

This is the main issue I see with the lineups as well.

Hayward should be the starting 2, with Burks coming off the bench to be the energy 6th man. CJ should start at the 3 over Howard too, unless he decides to stop chucking. It’s worse than CJ last year.

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by JazzHype on Dec 30, 2011 9:45 AM MST up reply actions