Raja Bell Benching Coming? - The Downbeat - #652
Brian T. Smith wrote a couple of days ago that a starting lineup change could be in order after the Jazz got blown out by the Lakers. There wasn't anything done for the Nuggets game but now Jim Burton of the Standard-Examiner is writing that if there is a change, it could involve a couple of spots,
If Corbin does opt to juggle the lineup, Miles and Millsap are two likely candidates to move from the bench to the starting five, replacing Raja Bell and Derrick Favors.
There's no denying that Millsap has played well when he's been in. There's no reason to think that his play would slip either as a starter. He put up career numbers in that role last season after spending most of his career coming off the bench.
They're not dependent on each other, but would you have Favors come off the bench if it meant Bell did as well?
I would still like to see what Millsap and Favors could do on the floor together in certain spots.
I watched a little bit of Ostertag last night and it wasn't pretty. That's no surprising of course given that all he's done since he's retired is hunt and golf. He took just a couple of weeks to try and get back into shape and it really, really shows. From Scott Schroeder at Ridiculous Upside (click through for the screen grab of Tag)
Ostertag became the oldest player in the D-League when he joined the Texas Legends earlier in the week and, in a move that wasn't at all surprising, the 38-year-old looked that way when he took the court for the D-League affiliate of the Dallas Mavericks. The longtime center for the Utah Jazz scored just two points in 17 minutes of court time while fouling four times to almost offset the 11 rebounds he hauled in for the losing team.
The boards that I saw him haul in were ones where the ball fell right to him. He's a big body with NBA experience so he might get a shot in this shortened season where depth will be needed. I'm certainly rooting for him though I don't have much hope for the guy.
Of course Andrei is no hurry to sign with an NBA team when he's partying with mogul Russell Simmons. From the NY Post,
Occupy Wall Street supporter Russell Simmons invited the One Percent to his lavish annual party Wednesday at the Eden Rock hotel on St. Barts. The hip-hop mogul hosted a bash with jet- setters, models and celebrities, including Tamara Mellon, Brett Ratner, Russian basketball star Andrei Kirilenko, Rachel Zoe, Simmons' ex-wife, Kimora Lee, and his new girlfriend, Australian actress Melissa George.
That's interesting to say the least. He's not in Russia and I doubt that he flew to the Caribbean just for the party only to fly back. Is he close to signing with a team then? I know he has through the first week of January to opt out of his Russian deal.
One thing to watch for tonight will be the team's defensive rotations. According to Paul Millsap, that's the team's biggest issue on defense right now. From Jody Genessy,
"Rotation, rotation, not being in the right rotation," the backup power forward said. "Not helping each other. Anything you can name, we kind of lost track of that."
That was a big issue as well last season. Adding a few changes this season to the defensive scheme hasn't helped yet as the team tries to adjust again. At the same time though, a lot of this shouldn't be new for these guys. They've all been playing ball for a while. I'm not sure why it hasn't clicked yet.
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Benching Favors now would be a disastrous move
You cant give a young kid the starting spot, not play him AND then take away the starting spot! It’s just going to breed resentment in him.
As for Bell…definitely needs to be benched. I’d want Burks to start, but I’d take Miles starting at there
by Stockton2Malone on Dec 30, 2011 9:11 AM MST reply actions
CJ should play the 3, Hayward should play the 2.
They both played quite well in those spots last year. Not sure if CJ can still handle 3s since he lost weight & strength, but it’s more fair than asking Hayward to do it.
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1. No no no no no to benching Favors
3. Not sure if it goes for all Russian/European teams but CSKA has a 2-week break in the schedule for Christmas and New Year so he’s probably just on vacation.
4. Appreciate it :)
I read 4 early this morning at work
and could not stop laughing. I hope Big Fes reads it, and then does it, lol.
Utah>*
4
Best ones are “Fes just trying to help” divide the locker room, and “why you get traded so much?”
Mark Jackson is going to be a terrible coach. Did anybody see that he was doing “hack a shack” against D’Andre Jordan in the 3RD QUARTER of the FIRST GAME….. wth?
I'll make it coach.
Mark Jackson will be just fine
Hack a D’Andre Jordan worked like magic. It was Chris Paul who killed them in the fourth. I wouldn’t be surprised if this strategy is used more. Jordan has been an intimidating presence this year. If you can kill his confidence with four back-to-back fouls, why not?
I'm a bit torn about this
Bell should not be starting, he is a liability, and hurts us all around. However, Favors hasn’t really been given a chance starting, since he’s getting pulled so quickly. Also, with Miles being moved in, I’m betting he’ll be playing the two, since the coaching staff just refuses to admit that G Time plays better at the two.
Millsap does deserve to start, but he should start alongside Favors, not replace him. If Favors does come off the bench, he needs to get more minutes than he has been, and alot of them should come playing alongside Burks and Kanter, with hopefully Hayward loging a decent amount of minutes with that unit. They are the future and its more important that they develop chemistry than any of the vets. I hope getting moved to the bench doesn’t mess with him psychologically.
Utah>*
Developing youngsters should be organic
Let youngsters learn the ropes the way they are supposed to - behind experienced players.
Teaching them by acclimating them to losing ways is not productive.
Since Al and Harris are such experienced winners, right?
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
This is the great, great, horrible, absurd, evil, obtuse LIE that Jazz fans are being asked to believe.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
I'm actually of the opinion that Favors moving to the bench is OK
I think he’d be more in control when he came in the game and less likely to have fast foul issues with fatigue fouls and everything.
The huge problem with it is the pairing of Millsap and Jefferson. We saw last year that it was a less than ideal combination. I think I’d rather see Millsap and Favors starting, with Jefferson off the bench than Millsap and Jefferson, but I think the best idea is just to leave things as they are. Start Favors & Jefferson, bring Millsap off the bench, and don’t punish Favors by yanking his playing time every time he does something wrong. Pulling him out is fine, but then put him back in and don’t hold a grudge.
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Why do Ty Corbin and Jerry Sloan believe that Hayward is an SF?
That’s the most mind-boggling part of all of this to me. He excelled at the end of last year playing the 2. He looked comfortable on both ends of the floor. Switch him back to SF and he looks overmatched on both ends of the floor. Just play him at the 2. Why is that so hard to maintain?
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Because of his height
Most SG’s are 6’6" and under, most SF’s are 6’7" and up. My friends and I were discussing this the other day, and while there is only an inch difference between the two, 6’7" sounds a lot bigger than 6’6". This is most likely because as a general rule, humans are pretty bad with numbers, so we class the players by position. So 6’7" becomes SF, and within the SF class, you have guys ranging all the way up to 6’10". Guys who are 6’6" are classed as SG with players ranging down to 6’3". Now to an old school guy like Jerry Sloan, and his apprentice, Corbin, your 6’7 and up, you should play SF, especially if there is a shorter option than your for the SG role. Hopefully Corbin will look past that and focus on the numbers and results, and play him at the two.
Utah>*
I thought height no longer mattered
KG, KD, Dirk, Lamar Odom…..none of those guys play center just because of their height… why should height matter?
I'll make it coach.
It's a super outdated mindset for sure.
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here is my question
who is going to play the three? when was the last time the jazz actually had a real 3. ak was a 4, both hayward and miles are 2’s, evans and millsap are 4’s. right now on this team, that goes with howard who is actually a 3. i think this should be thought about in our next draft. and that is why i think they have hayward playing the three, he deserves minutes, they won’t sit bell, and nobody else plays the 3 so why not.
on 'Tag
I just feel sorry for the guy. He’s a foolish man, not very smart, and this latest thing is just pathetic. What he never seemed to understand (and this latest attempt proves it) is that being huge isn’t enough to succeed.
I'll make it coach.
Lineup
I can’t understand how Favors got benched (confirmed by @tribjazz). It makes no sense that he gets the hook and Bell continues to start. If I was at the game tonight I would make my feelings know while cheering on the Jazz. Someone needs to send the FO a message and maybe it needs to be the Fans. (See Denver, Tebow) Anyone have any extra money for a billboard?
We totally should
“Start the youngsters!!!!!” I would put in some money towards that
"Size doesn't make any difference; heart is what makes a difference."
Jerry Sloan
by cjblockingfisher on Dec 30, 2011 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
Billboard
I work for a company that produces billboards…get a 50% discount…could probably squeak it in for free…and likely have access to a 20′×8′ structure on 9th west (owned by my neighbor). I could probably make this happen.
by trevorfuchs on Dec 30, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
I volunteer to donate money for this cause
I’m totally serious. If you talk to everyone and figure out exactly what needs to happen, then let us know.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
figured you'd be in
let’s do this. I just need to get buy in from my neighbor who owns the structure…the rest is cake. I happen to know several excellent graphic designers in addition….
How much money are we talking? With BBJs blessing it should be from SLCDUNK.
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It depends
If I can get the buy in from my neighbor who owns the structure, and he likes the idea…..very little…like below $100.
If we need to find an alternate location to post, I can still provide the vinyl graphic for very cheap, but renting the ad space can be pretty spendy. Generally over $1k per month for a 48′×14′ freeway bulletin, but I can maybe weasel my way into a discounted rate. I’m not sure what the rates are for some of the smaller paper posters, but I believe they usually rent those in quantities of more than one.
What is this a "Tebow Thing" with the Broncos fans
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
The problem with Hayward at the 3 is
He doesn’t have great legnth. Most 2s are 6’6" for sure but they have a wingspan greater than that. If I remember the numbers Hayward is 6’8" but his wingspan was also 6’8" meaning he has small forward height but shooting guard Legnth and standing reach. He really should stick to being a shooting guard because that’s what his body is fit for. I think him and Burks have near the same standing reach even though Hayward is several inches taller.
by thatdoolinkid on Dec 30, 2011 12:06 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Just checked and...
Burks standing reach=8’7.5"
Hayward standing reach=8’8"
Burks can jump a bit higher with a few steps but Hayward can jump higher from standing. The point is though that anatomically speaking Hayward is built like a 2 guard with a really long neck and head.
by thatdoolinkid on Dec 30, 2011 12:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Most here are aware of Hayward's short arms.
Not sure why Ty isn’t.
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Nice jinx on Raja being benched BBJ. I knew you always loved him as a starter deep down.
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