Deron Williams Responds To Coach Sloan's Resignation
by Basketball John on Feb 10, 2011 7:30 PM MST
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Before I comment on Deron Williams' interview concerning Sloan, I'll reiterate what I tweeted earlier today and that's that we're never going to know the full truth behind what went down last night and today. Just like the Boozer saga the past couple of seasons, there's likely elements of truth from both sides.
I'm going to believe Sloan. There's one thing that you always read/hear about the man and that he's always upfront with you and will tell it you straight. He said that his decision has been building up over time and last night it when he decided it was time to step down. What we never will likely know is what pushed him over the top? We know from the interviews today that the team asked him to sleep on it last night. He did, and woke up knowing that he was going to retire. Sloan isn't going to throw anybody under the bus and isn't going to say that anyone else was the cause for his resignation.
As you might recall, this isn't the first time that Sloan has thought about hanging them up. He considered it when his first wife died.
The other time that we know of though was a result of a similar circumstance as reported today. Supposedly, Mark Jackson had divided the locker room so much that Sloan was going to quit on the spot. So there is a bit of precedent for his decision today.
So if you haven't heard Deron's interview, here it is on KFAN.
On Sloan's resignation
It sucks. I didn't think he would do it in the middle of the season
Aside from Deron's response, this is what confuses me the most and why I think Deron and/or the rest of the team had a large part in Sloan's resignation. The timing of this whole thing just isn't right. If he did it at the end of the season, I could understand that. However, the Jazz are still very much in the playoff hunt and are on the verge of playing more consistent basketball.
The Jazz only have a little over two months of basketball left in the regular season. Given a first or second round playoff series, you could say three months. They've already been at it for 5 months and have less than 40 games left. If there wasn't anything that drove Jerry out, you would say he was quitting on the team. He was tired of fighting whatever/whoever it was and decided that it wasn't worth it. Sloan would not just quite mid-season on this team.
On the media's (specifically Ric Bucher) reaction
Deron made sarcastic remarks about Ric Bucher being in the locker room after ever game and that of course he'd be an expert. Deron revealed why he's so surly with the media,
If they find a story they want to turn and spin, they'll jump on it. That's why I am the way that I am and will continue to be the way that I am.
That's no secret but it's the first time I've heard Deron say as much.
On his conflicts with Sloan
We're both competitive, we're both very stubborn, we both want to win
He also states that they've had worse arguments that the one at halftime last night. Really, they've been arguing ever since Deron was a rookie and he felt like he should be getting more playing that season.
They're both dominant personalities, most star players and head coaches are. These two though are probably two of the most red-type personalities you'll see so it't not a surprise they often didn't see eye to eye. Each one had their own thoughts on matters.
On Ty Corbin as the new head coach
All the guys like Ty. We feel he should have had a head job by now
This is the subject of one of my other tweets. If the rumors about the Sloan/Deron conflict are true, how is Ty going to be any different? Having been under Sloan for seven years, Corbin would have a lot of the same philosophies as Sloan. There might be some rotation changes and some other tweaks, but for the most part, I don't expect to see too many changes. And if Sloan can't handle Sloan, how will Corbin do?
When asked point blank if he had anything to do with Sloan's resignation
No sir.
I know we want to know just what role Deron played, if any, in Sloan's departure but we're never knowing to know the full story.
Unfortunately, with all of these rumors, fans are taking them as fact. Some could have truths and some probably couldn't be further from it.
Tomorrow night against at ESA is going to be an awful night.
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I really hope
the home crowd at ESA doesn’t boo Deron tomorrow and hold a grudge against him. None of us know what happened and I would include Bucher in that same group. He’s a stud and as I just said in another section, if the Jazz are going anywhere in the next 5 years it will be Deron leading them, unfortunately without Coach Sloan. I think Ty will do a good job though, but just because he’s a Sloan disciple doesn’t mean he will have all the same philosophies, I could see the Jazz try to play a bit more uptempo, which is what I think a lot of the players want..Going to be an interesting evening in ESA tomorrow night…
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Deron needs to come out and say it on live tv before
Maybe a couple of hours before. I know how the fans at ESA are going to act because of ESPN and there clones with all thete BS they are putting there. Deron could become the number ONE hated person in UTAH if he doesnt come out and clear the air.
by EcERyda69 on Feb 10, 2011 7:48 PM MST via mobile reply actions
the only silver lining to all this...
is that corbin is coming in as head coach, and everyone agrees that he is prepared for the job. although they call him “jerry junior” i have no doubt that he’ll put his individual stamp on the team, and it will be interesting to see what exactly that is.
P R I M A D O N N A !!
"The world is full of idiots and I am the world" ... Sleepy Freud 12/08
by skeptic von urquell on Feb 10, 2011 7:52 PM MST reply actions
I'm going to trust Dwill
I doubt we’ll ever know what really is going on. So for now, I’m going to support D-will as I always have. I feel like his interview was pretty honest. I will miss Sloan, but Ty is definitely the next best option. Lets start off this “new era” right.
I'm at peace
I just listened to all the interviews posted at KFAN. I trust all of them. Jerry was done, and so he stepped down. If part of his lack of energy was not being able to battle with players any more, then that’s a good reason to step down. As everyone has said, including John Stockton on ESPN, you have battles with your coach, that’s part of the game. Jerry realized that he just doesn’t quite have the energy for it anymore. I’m fine with that.
Jerry Sloan has coached the Jazz almost as long as I’ve been alive, so I’ve been incredibly lucky. Ty Corbin is going to be a fantastic coach, I just get the right vibe from him, a Jerry Vibe.
I believe DWill when he says that he’d rather leave than have Sloan step down. He knows how much Sloan meant to the franchise. I’m not throwing out my DWill jersey. I’m busting it out tomorrow for the first game of the Ty Corbin era.
I am excited. This season has seen sweeping changes for our franchise in player personnel and now, surprisingly, in coaching staff. That is part of sports and life. Let’s see what the new era unveils!
by redrocknomad on Feb 10, 2011 8:06 PM MST reply actions 4 recs
I'm standing by Dwill
Dwill is not some primadonna.
He’s given back a huge amount to the community. He’s shown that he cares a lot about this community.
Dwill is a winner. He’s a competitive guy, and it’s been documented that he has no problem disagreeing with his coach, going all the way back to Coach Weber at Illinois. Butting heads with a coach is such a different issue than ‘the decision’ or any of that other shit.
Shame on the reporters making out Dwill to be the villain. Shame on Jazz fans who misplaced their anger and dismay at losing the BEST COACH OF ALL TIME on Dwill’s shoulders.
And a big fuck you to Rich Bucher from Jazz nation.
by TheBestPG on Feb 10, 2011 8:17 PM MST reply actions 7 recs
Primadonna a bit...
A great dude, but sometimes he complains too much for my taste. He should be a bit more assertive, too. Great skillset. Last night screwups in the fourth had probably something with half-time drama.
Go Jazz!
primadonna talk
Guys, we’re talking about the NBA. If a star player of the team can be described as a “primadonna a bit” I’d say you’re dealing with a pretty humble guy, comparatively!
Chalk me up as rallying around DWill and the rest of the team. Getting angry at someone else on the team isn’t going to bring sloan back.
I'm not allowed back in Park City
standing by
DWill… why exactly? Because he’s the superstar? I would stand beside the guy who has been here for decades and has proven to be worth more than anyone individual player this organization has ever had.
I wouldn’t believe for a second this isn’t more than whats being talked about…. no way a man like Sloan quits on a team half way through a season.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Feb 10, 2011 8:20 PM MST reply actions
ehhh...
I really believe there is a point where you just realize you don’t have the mojo anymore. Furthermore, you can be a cynic and believe the whole Jazz organization is lying, or you can trust what people tell you. Our whole damn society is built on trust. When you start trusting the word from someone else about someone before that someone (Bucher about DWill vs. DWill himself), what are you saying? I dunno, but I’d rather trust what people are telling me until proven otherwise. That’ll get your further in this world with the people that matter.
by redrocknomad on Feb 10, 2011 8:41 PM MST up reply actions
Did you not listen to the interview?
Sloan is plenty tough enough to take care of himself.
Dwill plays hard. He played hurt last night. He’s tough. He’s the best point guard in the league. He’s the leader of our team. (should I keep going?). He’s 26. He wants to win a championship. He gives back to the community. He’s showed loyalty to the franchise(by extending his contract) because we traded up to get him.
I love Jerry Sloan and everything, but our guys might start playing harder for Ty. We could be playing much better (I don’t necessarily blame Sloan for that), and guys argue when things aren’t going well. But I don’t buy the Dwill primadonna snake oil that’s being sold everywhere.
It’s not easy, and it’s sad, and I cried at the press conference and all that, but you can’t throw Dwill under the bus.
by TheBestPG on Feb 10, 2011 8:50 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's hope D-Rose isn't passing D-Will as #1 PG
Last night was scary. D-Rose was much more assertive and his presence is felt so much stronger on the Bulls than D-Will’s here. He simply takes over games.
I hope Deron starts shining more consistently and give us solid 48 minutes. Sometimes he floats for the first half and only picks it up toward the end. D-Rose is very impressive.
I don't doubt
Sloan can take care of himself.
I think D-Will plays hard all the time.
But to convince a guy as classy as Sloan to quit half way through a season, seems like it would take something pretty ‘extreme’. (using that loosely)
Look I don’t know what the ‘real deal’ is… but it just seems like people are turning a blind eye to what should be obviously questionable because its D-Will invloved. Would it be the same if it was Bell? Miles? I doubt it.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Feb 10, 2011 9:19 PM MST up reply actions
You CRIED at the press conference?
Seriously?
Any true Jazz fan would have gotten teary eyed. Watching Jerry Sloan cry is like seeing your dad cry if he never does. But since you aren't a Jazz fan first and foremost, it's okay that you didn't.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
by clarkpojo on Feb 11, 2011 6:44 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
something dirty went down
Behind the scenes in the office that we will never know.
Something hit Jerry’s boiling point that we will never know either. Listening to the Deron interview, I blame the mass media, not Deron. Ric Bucher can go screw himself.
Bring in Coach Jeff Hornacek please.
Ty as coach? Eh.
Yesterday Lebron, today Carmelo, tomorrow D-Will
I think it’s time to at least consider trading D-Will while his stock’s still high. Chad Ford mentioned some potential trades to the Knicks (for Felton and Gallinari or Landry Fields), the Nets (for Devin Harris and Derrick Favors plus picks), the Rockets (Kevin Martin, Aaron Brooks and picks), or the Warriors (Steph Curry, Ekpe Udoh and picks). Any of these would be better than Williams walking away next year and us getting nothing.
This is simple..
Jerry is a simple guy, and unfortunately, the media is spinning this way too much.
1) Deron and Jerry got in an argument no worse than any other
2) Jerry said, “I’m too old for this shit.”
3) Press Conference
If you think some twenty something point guard can run Jerry out of town, you obviously don’t follow the Jazz.
by auniverseaway on Feb 10, 2011 9:18 PM MST reply actions 5 recs
You just gotta love all the media....
All full of horse crap and smoke and mirrors. They must have gotten tired of only talking about Anthony, so this was the next thing they could beat senseless for a bit.
by Pasta_Champion on Feb 10, 2011 9:55 PM MST up reply actions
ESPN "analysts" are nothing more than celebrity paparazzi spinning anything they can to keep their jobs.
No chance an argument drove Sloan to retire. The man has been through thousands…
This
is exactly what I think went down.
To all the arguments re: “nah sloan just isn’t one to decide he’s too tired for it, something else went on,” I’d say why not? Sloan deciding he’s done and hanging it up even in the middle of a season of a playoff run is exactly his character. He knows he doesn’t want to do it and knows it’s the right thing for him to do, consequences be damned. That is the Sloan I know.
I'm not allowed back in Park City
doesn't make sense
I am a huge Dwill fan but things aren’t adding up. Deron seems pretty disingenious in his interview. I don’t think Deron could have ran Jerry off but he could definitely have stopped it from happening. Instead of going and trying to patch things up with coach Sloan it sounds like he was going out to lunch with the new coach. I think he definitely played a few cards in his hand. The thing that is sad to me is that front office is saying anything they can to cover their behinds, because they know Sloan will never say anything about what went down last night. If Jerry didn’t have so much class I bet he could make alot of people look like total idiots today.
i've been thinking this last part too.
95% of people/nba coaches in jerry’s position would probably have thrown people under the bus right and left at the press conference. our coaching staff=pure class.
disingenious
If I were DWill, I’d be a bit miffed right now too. Put it this way: He just watched Sloan resign. He had some disagreements with him this year, just like every year, but knew that he was critical to the franchise and knew his role.
But then Sloan resigned. He just watched everyone, local, national media, fans, everyone, turn on him. When before yesterday, it was just like any other year. I don’t care who you are, that’s gonna bug you. So yeah, you’re gonna come off a little annoyed in your interview.
I'm not allowed back in Park City
miffed
Ya I understand that, I would be miffed at all of the backlash too. But at some point don’t you go to your coach and say something along the lines of “I respect you and we can make this work until the end of the year.” In alot of post game interviews this year Deron questioned rotations, the system, etc. Which seems like a lack of respect to me. So for the media to say Deron was losing respect for Sloan I don’t think that is totally off base. Regardless I will support the Jazz, Deron, and Coach Corbin. I think alot of people are confused about how they are supposed to feel about this shakeup. It seems like nobody is coming out of this a winner in the short term. Hopefully, long term alot of good things will happen. Bottom line if the Jazz start winning it will cure alot of these woes. If they just play .500 ball things could get uglier before they get better.
+1
I don’t think Deron intended to push Sloan out, but I think that ultimately is what happened. When your team leader is talking crap about your coach, success is very unlikely to follow.
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Deron
is going to be in the spotlight in the national media throughout the rest of the season.
If our season ends in disaster Deron will be blamed for running Sloan out of Utah.
If our season ends in a playoff outing in the 1st, or 2nd round it will be just like every other season we have had.
If the season ends in a Finals run Deron will get all the praises in running Sloan out of Utah., and sadly Ty Corbin will not get any credit for it because it will always come back to Deron, and the relationship he had with Sloan.
And one more thing Rich Bucher is a damn clown, I never cared for his reporting but I REALLY HATE THAT FU&*ing GUY
I'm glad you spelled his name wrong.
Because that’s about all he deserves.
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Amazing column....
…by long-time Bulls writer Sam Smith. He actually had dinner with Sloan on Wednesday.
http://blogs.bulls.com/2011/02/sloan-loses-his-job-the-nba-loses-the-battle/
That was a great read
I think he hit it head on with the new CBA implications. The league really needs to do something like a franchise tag or baseball style draft pick compensation to help teams losing players.
by Stephen Schmidt on Feb 11, 2011 6:56 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks for sharing that
It’s the best article I’ve read so far. Not surprising that it would take an out of towner to write it either. The Jazz seem to have a media chokehold. Bothersome, really.
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Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
I'm a Rockets fan
And while we certainly have our fair share of disagreements with the Jazz, I have to say I hated nothing more than to play a Sloan coached team. Honestly, I think that’s the biggest compliment you can pay a head coach.
I like the Rockets. The Rockets do not like me.
by Patrick Harrel on Feb 10, 2011 10:05 PM MST reply actions
Just think
every jazz highlight you look up online, all the stockton highlights, all the booze highlights, all the dwill highlights, all the malone highlights, all the fesenko highlights, were all with sloan as their coach. crazy.
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Play FESS More!!!
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HEH!
30 min talk last night with who?
I think the last straw was that KOC came down from his office and wanted to start shopping some Jazz players around the league and Jerry wouldn’t let him break the team up. After last nights game Sloan spent 30 min with him and came out talking about trades and how a GM is always looking to make the team better…
Just like Jerry, Deron, even Stockton on his ESPN interview said today that players and coaches don’t always see eye to eye. Even if Deron and Sloan didn’t always think the same Deron knows how important Jerry Sloan is to the Jazz.
No need to boo Deron
No matter how you feel about the situation, the only thing that would come out of booing Deron would be negative. It’s not bringing Jerry back, it won’t help the team win, and most importantly, it could effect the dynamics of the organization for worse. If anything we need to rally around this team and Corbin.
We don’t know what really happened and booing our star out of a small market is fucking stupid. Knee-jerk/emotional reactions are usually the most regretted. DON’T BE DUMB JAZZ FANS!!
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Don't blame Deron
Dealing with very competive, headstrong players is mostly what coaches do. When Jerry said he doesn’t have the energy anymore, this is what he was talking about. In the past he would have met the challenge head on. It is good for athletes to have dominant, competitive, challenging personalities, and a coach needs to have a lot of energy and patience to deal with it. My guess is Jerry still enjoyed the x’s and o’s of the game, but just didn’t have the will to deal with the locker room stuff anymore.
I think Deron not running the play Jerry called
Was the last straw. Did you notice that Locke didn’t ask about that? KFAN interviews are very often more useful in noticing what isn’t asked than what is.
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The thing that stood out to me in the interview
was Deron saying that he knew Jerry was far more important to this franchise than he was, and knowing this that he wouldn’t ever try to force Jerry out. He said if things had ever gotten to that point, he would have just demanded a trade.
I believe that.
I agree.
The man was 68 years old for cryin’ out loud. Seems natural for him to get a little tired of dealing with player arguments, plane flights, high blood pressure, no family time, late night tape sessions, etc…
I know it’s not as “exciting” as the media would have us believe but the guy just didn’t have it in him anymore. Plain and simple no Dwill hate needed.
I can't believe how fast attitudes have changed
DWill can’t run the show. He has to respect the coach. If the coach calls a play, he can’t run some other play. If he’s going to do that, then they need to move him.
If he listens to Ty, then that’s great, maybe he’s learned something. If he wants to pull more power moves and act like he knows better than everyone else in the organization and keep blaming everyone else for the team’s lack of success, then good riddance. Kobe did that and floundered until the Lakers got Pau Gasol. It’s unlikely the Jazz will end up with a team full of All Stars like the Lakers with Fisher, Kobe, Artest, Odom, Gasol, and Bynum.
It’s nice that Deron wants to win a championship. But you can’t risk the future success of the franchise on one or two years of super high salary like he seems to want. That could destroy the franchise and lead to them moving out of Utah, but it seems like that’s the minimum expectation for Deron is to get that kind of talent. It’s unreasonable.
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It makes me sick.....
…..reading all these media personalities, players, and fans of other teams try and imply that we Jazz fans “dropped the ball”, or “didn’t appreciate what we had”, or what the hell ever else they’ve got to say. This guy was the coach of our team for 23 years. I was 6 years old when he came to the helm. And I still remember those early games. These other people, while I respect their opinions, can rot in hell. Sloan meant more to us than probably to any of them…..the only opinions I care about with regards to this situation are other Jazz fans or Utahns. Although with that said, it’s still nice to see Sloan getting so much publicity…
I haven't read much of that
Where have you seen people talking crap about fans? I could see that for the FO or players, but fans? That’s just ignorant.
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Like a lot of Jazz fans, I've watched all 23 years of Sloan coaching.
A true stand up guy. Part of the reason you could always be proud to be a Jazz fan. I’d love to have a beer with him.
But people get old and lose their edge and their ability to adjust. Then they retire. Sloan went out they way all good gunfighters go out… in a fight.
No player could force Jerry out, if he wasn’t just about to go anyways. ‘auniverseaway’ a few posts back said it perfect.
And the real truth is, it was time to go. The Jazz will be better with Corbin. Time for the next generation. Here is hoping Corbin goes out for the Jazz in a similar fashion sometime in 2035.
Coaches Sloan and Johnson
are both 68 years old. That is well past normal retirement time. All this bullsh*t about who did what is going to tear this team apart. Can we please just let these two old warriors go up with the thought it was the time and with the dignity they both deserve? Please?
Nobody is to blame.
I love Jerry. And I love D-Will.
I believe that Sloan truly feels like the future of the Utah Jazz is brighter with him stepping down. I don’t think this is how he wanted to go out. But I believe he is making a huge sacrifice for what he feels is best for the team.
I may not agree with his decision. And I do not think he and D-Will had the best relationship. But I do not believe that D-Will is the reason he retired.
Jerry believes he is doing what is best for the team, not what is best for himself. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the sacrifice he just made.
by chicagorilla on Feb 11, 2011 8:15 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Sloan is being disrespected
by these allegations of Deron, or any player, or any person forcing him into retirement. His relationship with the franchise and his track record pretty much guarantee that when he does decide to leave, it will be on his terms. And that’s what he did.
agreed!
I'm not allowed back in Park City
by yippeekiyay on Feb 11, 2011 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
I can't troll the internet like I usually do this weekend
so can someone answer a few questions for me?
Who is Ric Bucher and what was he saying about everything? (which it now seems he has changed his tune maybe?)
Does anyone know where I can watch the entire press conference online?
Can some people on here go stand outside ESA tonight with signs telling people to not boo Deron because that would just be stupid?
by yougottaloveitbaby on Feb 11, 2011 9:06 AM MST reply actions
If anything, I would think that Williams might feel a bit betrayed by Sloan quitting. I think in a relationship like that of Williams and Sloan each party presents their point of view in an unyielding manner, but eventually, because both are so stubborn, the best idea wins out. Now Williams won’t have that type of sounding board. One problem with superstars demanding things is that a lot of times they get what they ask for, and most of the time that is not good. When a superstar has a coach like Sloan the superstar doesn’t have to be accountable for all of his stupid superstar ideas, because a coach like Sloan doesn’t let his superstar have his way unless it is clearly the best way.
On the other hand, although Jerry Sloan was right most of the time, he was not right all of the time, and being a bit more open to new ideas certainly may have made him even more successful than he was. I’m sure I’m not the only one that has been aggravated by Jerry Sloan’s player rotations, which led to almost certain losses in some situations.
However, this season, I’m sure one of the things Sloan was trying to do by keeping his rotations the same all season was to create depth on the team. For example, he has stuck with Raja Bell all season and within the last few weeks Bell has finally gotten back on track and has played the way we thought he was capable of playing. Without the extended playing time, he may have never made it back from his long layoff. I can see how Deron might disagree with Sloan on that issue, if he was not looking at the long-term picture of the team, and just wanted to win game-to-game. And, if Sloan was wrong about Bell being able to return to form, his way would have done nothing more than hurt the win total of the team.
Therefore, I’m not blaming Sloan’s resignation on Deron Williams—he’s probably about as surprised by it as the rest of us.
by Fesenko for President on Feb 11, 2011 10:36 AM MST reply actions
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