You are a Jazz fan. Now why don’t you start acting like one?!?!
by AllThatJazzBasketball on Feb 17, 2011 1:37 PM MST
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PrintI wrote in a tweet earlier today that the All-Star Break is a time for analysis; not just for the team, or the coaching, or ownership – but we need to analyze ourselves as well, jazz fans. I would be lying if I said that our team was kicking butt right now. They aren’t. There are debilitating injuries, rampant off-court speculation, stars in slumps, and epoch changes contributing towards that one thing which we, as a fan base are so unfamiliar with – bad losses. Our team is struggling right now, and over this All-Star weekend I’m going to delve into that. Before I do, though, it’s important to preface ALL of this with one, simple fact:
We are Jazz fans.
We’re not Miami Heat "fans" who generated spontaneously overnight a few months ago. We’re not dormant Boston Celtics fans who needed off-season trades for two franchise players to give a damn. We’re not Oklahoma City Thunder fans who have never had success (or a team) before. And we’re not Portland Trailblazers fans who, when the going got tough, stopped going to home games. [By the way, this is something all the bloggers fail to mention, btw – how do you call them the "best" fans in the league if in losing seasons they show up in 16k, 15k, 16k, and 16k bunches, but in winning seasons they show up in 20k droves. That’s called being "fair weather", get it straight bloggers.] We are Jazz fans. Our team is struggling right now, and we are not going to abandon our team.
We are not fair weather fans. The players may get in slumps, the men in the front office may change, and heck, even our beloved Jerry Sloan may step down – but the constant above all other constants in the history of the Utah Jazz is that the Jazz fans are the most passionate and fiercely supportive/defense fans in the league. When a guy like Andrei Kirilenko or Mehmet Okur likens Salt Lake City to Europe, it’s more than a population density, or even ethnographic similarity – it’s also a fact that Jazz fans are loud and go nuts just like the passionate European fans. The Jazz fans will never betray their team. That is, true Jazz fans would not.
It would be all too easy to ditch on the Jazz when they aren’t blowing out teams at home or winning 55+ games a season. The easy way has never been the Jazz way though. Right now the only remnant of our past glories remains the unbroken line of rabid fandom.
If even only a small part of you loves the Jazz, and is saddened by how everything is going wrong this year, remember that you are physically capable of and emotionally in control over your job as a part of Jazz Nation. A smart guy said "Be the change you want to see." Jazz fans are not placid cows who react only when prompted by flashing lights or the prospect of a free taco.
I can tell you that right now no one feels worse about this rough patch than our players. They need our support. If we cheer hard and fight hard for them they will see that. They will then play hard and fight hard at home. It’s nice to yell when we get a fast break dunk and the other team takes a time out. The Jazz fans that we are used to make the visiting coach call a time out because it was just way too loud when his own team had possession of the ball.
You remember those days. You were part of those days. These were the fans that I desperately wanted to join, the loyal fans that propagated Jazz fans all over the world. I’ve met Utah Jazz fans all over, people around my age that had never even been to the United States, let alone Utah, partly because Jazz fans never said die. Even in the bad old days when Frank Layden had to bring in a prosthetic heart into the locker room (because the Jazz, our Jazz, were accused for not having one of their own) the fans were loud and aided our team psychologically in the Salt Palace.
We are Jazz fans, and we are legion. Not everyone can go to the games, but we all still care about this team in the good times. We should be that much more loud, supportive, and rabid in the bad times. Just because our team is losing doesn’t mean our team is full of losers.
Just because our team is losing doesn’t mean we fans have to lose hope in the franchise. The Jazz fans did not lose hope back in 2005. That Jazz team only won 26 games, but enjoyed an average attendance of 18,756 loud Jazz fans each home game. As an average, that mark would place the attendance for that 26 win season as the 8th best for all 30 teams in the last decade. (Obviously, our overall decade average is 19,217 Jazz fans per home game, or 5th best in the NBA.) Our team had lots of injuries, but our home court was still rocking when it was Milt Palacio running things. How rocking? 2k to 3k more rocking than those great Blazers fans when they were sucking, that's how.
Our fans were happy to see Jazz basketball, and helped our team through a really rough patch. The fans didn’t leave, and the team reloaded. We’re in a similar situation this year. We shouldn’t be down on our franchise. We shouldn’t be down on our players. And we shouldn’t be down on our front office. It’s not like they are actively trying to do bad – they could have let Boozer go for nothing, but worked it for a trade exemption to get Al Jefferson back. They also got Earl Watson, Raja Bell, and Francisco Elson to fill in as consummate professionals and vets that no other teams were going for. The Jazz did not break the bank in reloading in one off-season. Admit it, we're hard on Greg Miller because he has huge shoes to fill. He cares more than he lets on. They same front office we were happy with gave us fans the idea that we’d be a Top 4 team this year. Now we’re killing them for the team being half injured, and for the team over-achieving in November.
We’re better than that as people. We’re also better than that as fans. We’re Utah Jazz fans. Let’s not abandon our team, get down on our players, and give the rest of the NBA any new fodder to disparage us by.
It would be easy to jump back on the band wagon next season when another training camp and roster moves better balance our team and we’re winning again. But we’re better than that. It’s precisely the frame of reference that all the bad years gives us, that makes the good years worth it. The Jazz did not start off in the NBA as a contender from day one. Even after moving to Utah there was an uphill climb.
Jazz fans were there back then. Jazz fans were there when Stockton and Malone were making All-Star Games. Jazz fans were there in the NBA Finals years. Jazz fans were there in the Ben Handlogten year. Jazz fans were there when Andrei became an All-Star. Jazz fans were there when we finally became a free agent destination. Jazz fans were there when we drafted Deron Williams, and he became a star. Are you, a Jazz fan, really going to leave in the middle of a season where, despite all the crazy crap that’s happened, we’re still right in the thick of things, only a good run away from being the 5th seed?
Maybe we don’t even make the playoffs this year. That would suck. But what would suck more is if our fans give up on our team, when our team needs our support the most. After all, you’re a Jazz fan. Why don’t you start acting like one! (Or, uh, like a Man, or something . . . )
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Adam Morrison to a 10 day contract
Mark my words
The Orioles Suck!
Play FESS More!!!
I love men!
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Wow this is starting to look like spam
Fourth post you have commented this on. Real cool. Not.
For The Love!!
Rise and shout the Cougars are out!!
Damnit.
And I came in here to post:
In before bucimislover with “Adam Morrison with a 10 day”.
Alas, I am no match for the buc…
AGREED!
The Orioles Suck!
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by bucimislover on Feb 17, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
i just wanted people to see my post........
sometimes i get a little overexcited yknow?????
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but really
WAT DU U TINK ABUT IT?
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by bucimislover on Feb 17, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
The thought of Adam Morrison on this team makes me feel like this:
No thank you.
"I want to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as Christina imagined it."
I AM A JAZZ FAN!!!!
Through the good times and the bad. Period. Nothing can change that.
Just last night, ForTheLove and I had the opportunity to go to the game versus the Warriors. We went early to watch shootaround. We got sigs from Ronnie Price, Gordon Hayward and Jeremy Evans. We got a pic with Matt Harpring. We shook Thurl Bailey’s hand. We got chased out of the lower bowl by security guards. We sat on the very top row in the corner of the Upper Bowl. These were not the best seats in the house but we enjoyed them like they were. Since nobody was higher up than us we were able to stand up almost the entire game. We had our Jazz shirts on. We cheered when CJ hit some big shots at the beginning of the game. We cheered like crazy when Fes checked in to the game for the first time. We cheered when Jeremy Evans strapped on his pogo stick for that putback dunk that was called for goaltending even though it really wasn’t. We yelled as if the refs could hear us voicing our anger at their ineptitude especially at the end. We took a pic of the Stockon and Malone statues in the snowstorm that hit during the game and knocked out a few lights inside the arena. We are Jazz fans.
For The Love!!
Rise and shout the Cougars are out!!
by wheatie_87 on Feb 17, 2011 2:09 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah
And we were talking about all the people here who have showed up recently and voiced their opinions about how they think the Jazz suck and that we need to make some trades, etc. FTL was super pissed about all these comments and I just told him that these aren’t REAL Jazz fans. They are just fairweather complainers. We allow people to comment on here if they are angry with the ownership or with D-Will or with the coaches because we aren’t the Rockets blog for crying out loud. Everybody has their right to an opinion but we also know who the real Jazz fans are so thank you AllThatJazz for this great post. Rec’d.
For The Love!!
Rise and shout the Cougars are out!!
by wheatie_87 on Feb 17, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
This sounds great.
I have sat last row many times and after having good seats now I can say that the fans in the upper bowl have a lot better idea of what is going on for the most part. I live 2 hours away and go to more games then my inlaws that live in Salt Lake.
Though I have to disagree that just because a Jazz fan would like to see the team bring in player that would help us the are fairweather fans. The day we brought in Hornacek for Jeff Malone was the day the Jazz went from solid playoff team to title conteder. I think fans just want that kind of deal again. But until then I will join you in supporting the guys we have, no matter what.
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For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
Thank you!
This post needs to be a freakin PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT!
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
I agree but Utah fans are fickle period
I hate to see what happens if things ever get REALLY bad for consecutive years . . .
yojimbo is jazzed
Thank you
It’s been a wild little bit. I needed that to keep me from sliding to the dark side. Well said.
You know, that picked up my mood a bit.
Awesome post.
Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated.
"Shoot baskets, not people." -AK
Jazz fans aren't fair weather.
Your paragraph about the 26-win, 04/05 team betrays your whole premise. We’ve already seen losing won’t alienate Jazz fans. But feeling that at some level (ownership? front office? star player?) we’ve been betrayed by the franchise? That might do it.
Fair weather fans are different than fans with principles. If it turns out that the Utah Jazz values of hard working, fundamental, tough, team ball left with Jerry Sloan, then it’s a case of who really left whom. Did the fans leave, or did the franchise leave us? Time will tell.
In the meantime, most – if not all – the players could use our cheering. And no matter what, I’m all for throwing our full support behind Coach Corbin. Love that guy; I hope he has a long and successful career.
by BHam on Feb 17, 2011 4:09 PM MST reply actions 6 recs
Agreed
I consider myself a fan with principles. The reason I stick to the Jazz is because of what the team represents. The Jazz was always different, they played sound basketball, stuck to principles, and played hard.
If the franchise no longer promotes those good values that I believe in, it’ll be hard for me to spend my time and invest in the team.
if the organization has no interest in building a sound team but cares sole on financial profit or players only cared for themselves and their blown up ego rather than the team and fans, I would not be happy with it.
As a fan, rather than blind adherence to the team, I believe it’s healthy to voice one’s opinion regarding the team, rather it be a praise or criticism. It doesn’t mean you’re not loyal as a fan. If you care for someone and you think they’re not doing the right things, you voice your opinion. It doesn’t mean you hate the person or an abandonment of the person.
by softdrinks on Feb 17, 2011 4:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
this is how I feel exactly
I don’t mind if our team slumps its hard but oh well. the thing that I have issues with is if the Jazz are not the Jazz anymore because of events that lead to last week.
call me a fair weather fan if you want but I was a Jazz fan for a reason. I loved that the superstars didn’t run the team, I loved that it seemed like the FO cared about the fans (Larry made that so apparent) and I loved that the Coach was in charge, no questions or doubts about that with Sloan while Larry was around.
I don’t know if I can love and invest my time and heart and money to the Jazz like I have in the past if they prove that the are no longer the Jazz I grew up with. I’ll be a fan/support them but not the true investment like the past.
I hope this is just a weird time and they show they are still the same organization.
Go Jazz!
by dianaallen on Feb 17, 2011 6:02 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
This is what I don't get....
How is the franchise drastically different because Sloan is gone? Why are we saying the Superstars are running the team when their really isn’t any evidence of that other than speculation that D-will said he didn’t wan SLoan here. (Which has been refuted by multiple individuals involved).
How can you say the Franchise doesn’t care about the fans anymore when they are millions of dollars into the salary cap trying to field a winning team? They went out and tried to get pieces to replace the ones we had lost last season. The team is still owned by the same family, ran by the same president, and has the same GM. The franchise has promoted allt he coaches from within the system proving that they are franchise that cares about those individuals who have put their time into this team for years with little recognition.
Our Head Coach PLAYED for the Jazz and has been an assistant for 7 years with the Jazz. Our first assistnat coach is the SON of one of our former great head coaches in Frank Layden. Our second assistant is Hornacek another former player, who’s number is retired in the rafters!
I’m simply amazed out how quick everyone is to scream the sky is falling when this little Mom and Pop franchise has been ran like a well oiled machine the entire time it’s been in this state. Everything it’s done has been done witht he majority of the moves made for the fans and trying to keep the team in the state. We easily could have been Seattle and lost the team multiple times.
If anything the turnover that happened because Sloan has stepped down should be a testament to how wonderful the Jazz organization is. That’s what baffles me. That the fans are choosing to see the negative rather than the positives that have come.
We all for the most part loved and respected Sloan and Phil. We loved Larry and HOF players. That being said, it’s not fair to Corbin, D-will, Greg Miller, Gail Miller, Rigby, and KOC who are doing the best they can, to suddenly start jumping ship and demanding trades, booing players, coaches, and whoever else.
The testament of being a sports fan is loving a franchise in the hard times and the good times. It’s being a Cubs fan when you haven’t won a world series in 100 years. It’s being a Detriot Lions fan when your team just can’t seem to put it all together for decades. It’s being a Clippers fan despite knowing most of the city you live in loves a multi-million dollar team who plays in the same arena you do.
The funny thing is though. This isn’t even a “hard” time for the Jazz. We are in the playoff hunt, have a great new coach, have an allstar pointguard, have a great core of young amazing players, and a few vets who love playing in this city. Raja chose the Jazz over championship contenders because he respected this franchise.
It’s a damn good time to be a Jazz fan. And excuse my being blunt, but some of the attitudes lately have been nothing but Bulls**t. I could understand overreacting while the news was breaking because I was doing it to, but it’s been a week. Time to just move on. If people can’t remain “true” Jazz fans because their are new faces and new ideas in the franchise, well, that’s fine with me, I don’t really want to call them my brothers and sister in the Jazz nation.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
by ForTheLove on Feb 17, 2011 9:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you are wrong about how you think I feel
Of course I support Corbin of course I support the players. I don’t like that you assume that I don’t. I don’t like that you assume that we who question the situation aren’t fans, aren’t grateful for the Millers keeping the Jazz in Utah. But that was Larry purely Larry no one else in the Miller family! Yes Gail supported him but if you read his book it was Larry. Please show me how Greg has shown that kind of dedication? Greg who calls Jazz fans out on twitter, Greg who in his press conference to CEO of LHM cooperation said within minutes, as long as the Jazz are profitable they will stay in Utah. Who says that first off?, make the fans feel comfortable. Greg who has admitted that basketball and the nba are not his true love. Do you think he’s going to fight for the team like Larry did?
Do you honestly think if Larry was around Sloan would have left how he did? I am excited for Corbin, I think he will make a great head coach. I feel bad that he has to start in such worrisome circumstances. Why would Corbin say in the press conference that its bitter sweet that he didn’t want to take over this way if things aren’t bad right now?
You don’t think that players attitudes are what forced Jerry out? Jerry’s had to deal with attitudes before but it was ok because he knew Larry would always back him up. He could deal with the Mark Jacksons, the Amaechie’s the Gordon Giraceks because Larry always showed his loyalty to Jerry over the players. It worries me if Jerry didn’t feel that loyalty from Greg.
jerry is not coming back and thats fine. we move on. But if the coaches don’t feel they have support from ownership that doesn’t end well in a small market.
I am not only looking at the negative. I do not have a bad attitude. I don’t think a team that has as much talent as this team has should be losing 5 straight home games. I don’t think they should be only 5 games over .500. That whats worries me. something is amiss and I think its ok for fans to be worried about that.
Don’t make me out to be a fickle fan. I am not a fickle fan. I always like your comments. but it hurts me to hear you say my attitude is bull crap. I love the Jazz and just because I am worried about where the team is at doesn’t make me a bad fan.
by dianaallen on Feb 17, 2011 10:19 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
You are jumping to conclusions all over the place.
I wouldn’t judge anyones fandom because how is that even possible, but I think your analysis is not sound at all.
by davidthecomposer on Feb 18, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
how?
Did Larry not support Jerry?
are we not only 5 games over .500?
I am done. its silly to argue over opinions
Diana,
My comment wasn’t purely directed at you. I apologize if I offended you. It was more a culmination (sp?) of a few posts and commenters reactions lately. Some things that I was trying to direct at all of Jazz nation got mixed in with my response to you. So I apologize.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
thanks!
that is good to hear and I really appreciate your apology. I think we are all on edge still. We all want our team to succeed and win. Its hard when we’re not. I think all of us would feel differently if we hadn’t loss 13 of 17 and sloan left.
I imagine its all the losing that is making us grumpy. I apologize also for my second response. I was upset and didn’t express myself well.
You recently posted a Fanpost saying that you would no longer root for the Jazz or that "punk kid D-will."
The way I see it, this Fanpost just called you out.
Luckily...
Seeding in the West really doesn’t matter, you’ll be facing a good team no matter what. There’s no questioning the currently structured team is one of the top 8 teams in the West, this is just a minor blip in a long season. The could use some more firepower (not named Adam Morrison), if they could move AK or Okur’s expiring for an SJax type it would go miles for the team. I think the Jazz could benefit from a 2 guard who can handle the rock.
Ball Chat - Episode 21 - Say It Ain't Sloan - 2/15/11
Irreverent, informative, entertaining. A welcomed curveball to mainstream watered down NBA analysis.
I disagree with the premise but applaud the passion
I am a Jazz fan. My first game was the game we retired Frank Laydens number. I pestered my parents for player cards and even wrote letters to every team member and front office personnel for a grade school report (still have several of their responses 24 years later).
Just because I want to see changes doesn’t mean I am giving up on the team. Maybe I am shortsighted and don’t have the patience our front office has, but I have just as much heart invested in the team as they do. This team represents who I am. I curently live in Texas in Spurs country, but I stil wear my Malone jersey with pride because of the name on the front. It will never be hidden in the closet, even if we only win 10 games in a season.
I want to see changes on the roster. The current makeup of the team doesn’t have what it takes to contend for an NBA championship. I believe the organization is loyal to a fault and is unable to make the difficult decisions all organizations who made it to the top have had to make.
Does this mean I will stop loving the Jazz? No and I am insulted by anyone who thinks my disagreeing with the front office means I have stopped. I get upset at evry loss and revel in every win. Maybe it is unhealthy, but a real Jazz fan would know no other way.
I AM a Jazz fan.
by sincityjazz on Feb 17, 2011 10:39 PM MST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Let's not question each other's level of "fanhood."
We’re all allowed to express frustration. That doesn’t mean anyone is giving up on the team. If you care enough to be here on SLC Dunk, you’re a Jazz fan. That’s good enough for me, no matter what else happens.
Uh, do you think you could draw me like a ninja?
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by Shums on Feb 17, 2011 10:42 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
um... crap.
Nah, we know you still care.
Uh, do you think you could draw me like a ninja?
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Feb 18, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
Jazz Fans Unite!!
Mmmmm Mmmmm Bitch!! - Dave Chappelle
Im that one guy that did that one thing at that one place that one time...
this is pretty condescending...
not to mention elitist…
jazz fans aren’t supposed to act in unity. there r people who r sad sloan is gone, there r people who are happy sloan’s gone now the jazz can go to the championship path the way most teams do it… by tanking(?)
shums said it best that we are all jazz fans, if we do not care about jazz, we will tune out the jazz AT ALL and not voicing any opinions, because why? we DO NOT care.
that’s why of all the times i read about fire jerry sloan, keep sloan, get rid of ak, keep ak, get rid of cj, keep cj, give fes more time, trade fes away, let’s tank this season and get jimmer, this season is still salvagable, etc: these are all jazz fans having different ideas of what each respective fan THINK what’s best for the Jazz.
trying to identify and asserting oneself as true fan and which acts are not true fans’ will do nothing to strengthen the jazz fans, it’ll only divide us more…
i’m still a jazz fan, but im not a fan of this so-called mess called a jazz team. just because they wear the jazz jersey does not mean i have to deify them.
so what would true jazz fan do?
- grateful our 0-ring coach for 23 years is gone
- sad our longtime coach gone
- mad that our coach did not resign sooner
- tanking this season to get a high pick
- not giving up this season and try to go to playoffs
- call for corbin’s head and call for another proven coach (whoever that may be)
- stick by corbin for 23 years before we have another coaching change
- call out the dysfunctional jazz team which does not play jazz basketball anymore
- support the jazz team and always appreciate the positives that come from each loss (3 positive lessons so far) and each win(this one bound to happen, but does anyone know when?)
- trade ak, his bloated contract’s toxic
- keep ak, he’ll resign for less
- trade okur, he;s done
- keep okur, he took a chance last playoff and sticking by him is the obvious payback
- trade d-will, he’ll leave us anyway
- keep d-will, and be nice to him so he wont leave next year
- play fes more, we need big bodies in the paint
- play fes less, he can’t play the basketball
- play cj miles more, he’s streaky but he needs the playing time
- play cj miles less, he’s streaky
- and so on and so on
trust me when i say you can NOT identify which ones of the above fall into the category of “true jazz fans” and which ones are “fairweather jazz fans”
the fairweather jazz fans are the ones who don’t bother following jazz news ever again.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!
Hell, no! And it ain’t over now!
"This is a football." "Slow down, coach! You're goin' too fast!"
The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Man, I need to get out more….
by JazzFan87 on Feb 18, 2011 7:36 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
*sigh*
Animal House. It’s a classic.
"This is a football." "Slow down, coach! You're goin' too fast!"
On this blog, quoting "The Princess Bride" is the only way to guarantee that people will get the joke :)
"I want to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as Christina imagined it."
And we were talking about all the people here who have showed up recently and voiced their opinions about how they think the Jazz suck and that we need to make some trades, etc. FTL was super pissed about all these comments and I just told him that these aren’t REAL Jazz fans
um, no. i went to that same game vs gsw. I went earlier to the game vs the thunder, I still go to a few games a year, and watch every game on television.
If I come here and type stuff like, the jazz suck, and a trade should be made to better the team, that means i’m not a real jazz fan?
dude, you’re high. btw, whats to cheer about when fes checks into the game? go ahead and tell me i’m not a real jazz fan, but he sucks. he’s a worthless 7 footer that does nothing but foul and cant even catch a pass in the paint half the time.
i’m so faiweather, yet defensive, you make no sense.
And your namesake was any better??
Ben Handlogten was the worst Jazz player ever
For The Love!!
Rise and shout the Cougars are out!!
reading this blog
you’d think fes was an all-star, o in the very least, helping this team. but in reality he isn’t. sure, he might have a great personality, and he’s funny. but if that doesnt help the team win games, WGAF.
no offense fes loves.
You make me regurgitate my lunch.
@allthatjazzbasketball,
I tried to read you post, but after a couple of paragraphs I gave up. To me it sounds like you are one of “them.” By them, I mean friends of KOC, or UJ management. Your comments are ridiculous. Who are you trying to convince out here? I have and will continue to criticize this team and especially KOC. It doesn’t make me less of a fan. Matter of fact, people like you, do us a real disservice by claiming that everything is alright, and we all “should cheer our team” and should be happy and keep our mouths shut, or somehow we’re less of a fan.
Kiddo Please…. this roster sucks. And it has alot to do with ill advised decisions that KOC and Millers have made over the past several years. Fans have been rewarded by being swept last year in the first round by the Lakers, and previous year loosing 4-1 in the playoffs to the same team.
What has Jazz org. done to try to improve the team? Oh yeah let Matthews , Brewer, and Boozer go, and brought in Jefferson, Elson, Bell and some other scrubs. They (Jazz inc.) have been laughing at the stupidity of Jazz Fans, while they fill up the arena every night, and the results continue to be mediocre year after year.
This recent criticism has nothing to do with the teams performance recently. It has been building over the years-Since UJ made it to the WC finals in 07 (after rebuilding for 8 years)- and every person knew that the team needed improvements- the Jazz org. stood idle and didn’t address the problem. Since then the team has been headed south. The playoff results have been diminishing ever since. Great players were let go, while AK got a ridiculous contract, and he has underperformed by about 80% of his contract worth.
The problem is the fan base- people like you that try to camouflage the real problem with this team and pretend that everything is OK . They don’t demand better, they think that if the team, management or the coach gets criticized, somehow it makes you a lesser fan. That’s complete non sense. This team is mediocre at best, and unless some of the "gut thinking" fans wake up and smell the roses, the management will keep making mad money, while the city doesn’t get rewarded EVER for their commitment to this team. Now is the time to start making the trades and allow D. Will to stay in Jazz uniform, otherwise he will be gone after next season.And if that’s what you want (D Will gone) keep cheering and pretending that this team somehow miraculously will be contender, and let the sheep be sheep.
so.....
The Lakers didn’t sweep us in the first round last year…..
Remember when the Jazz beat the Nuggets, last year, in the first round, without Memo. They wouldn’t have beat the Lakers even if they had memo because, uh, NOBODY DID.
And yes, the Jazz did lose to the Lakers the previous year in the playoffs. But maybe you remember this, they won the championship that year also.
I don’t buy the arguement that the Jazz got worse since making the WC finals in 07. They had to play the Lakers in the playoffs who were gifted Pau Gasol which made them damn near unstoppable.
by zdid on Feb 18, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Lurker- My Opinion
First, a little background on my NBA fandom…I grew up in Seattle (birth to 18 yrs) and moved to Boise, ID for college. I was a devout Sonics fan until they left. Devout as in going to multiple games when it was a sure thing they were leaving for OKC. I moved to Idaho for college and tried the whole “f the NBA” thing that most Sonics fans did but I love basketball too much. I joined the the Jazz fanbase not as a bandwagon fan, but because they are the local team to me now and I’ve always respected the Jazz organization. So I’m not going to pretend that I’m as invested as a lot of you are that have been a Jazz fan your whole life.
That said, the last few years I’ve become pretty invested in the team. I get all the games on FSN and I love watching the Jazz. I think both sides have a point here. We aren’t doomed, we have a solid, playoff team and it would be stupid to quit on the team or give up on them. It’s time to rally behind the team and hope they can get the ship straightened. Getting back AK and Raja (who was playing well) will help quite a bit.
On the other hand, it is fair to criticize management if they appear to be making the wrong moves. I like Big Al, but I’m not sure he’s a good fit for this team. Especially at the 5. If someone criticizes the team or doesn’t like the way they’re operating there’s nothing fairweather about that. As a former Sonics fan, who didn’t have the luxury of having good ownership, there are times where criticism is very fair.
by IDJazzFan on Feb 18, 2011 12:59 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
thanks for posting!
and for your measured response. More please!
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That was honestly not the intent. I will re-read it, and re-read all criticisms and try harder next time.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Feb 18, 2011 1:16 PM MST reply actions
I'll believe in the Jazz so long as the Jazz represent what I believe in.
I also believe in Corbin. Though I question whether he will see success running the same system as Jerry if indeed the system is the problem. It seems like Karl was saying the players won’t run the system and that’s the problem. So how does Corbin’s presence fix anything?
I am also deeply disturbed that no Jazz players showed up at Jerry’s press conference. That was an absolute indictment against them. I’m not saying it means that they weren’t committed to Jerry, just that they were either unaware that it was occurring or disinterested. How on earth are you unaware of the single biggest sports event in the state in the last year! Do you not have agents with PR departments.? Were you out buying more diamond earrings?
We are a small market team. We have one professional sports team. The Jazz mean more to Utah than most other pro sports teams mean to their communities. Character has always been high on the list of traits Jazz players must possess. Jerry Sloan and Phil Johnson embodied character. If the players don’t understand that playing for the Jazz means more than cashing a paycheck, than we may have trouble.
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