The Downbeat - 22 February 2011 - #431 - The Carmeloless Edition
It's finally over. Carmelo Anthony is a Knick. The impact on the Jazz is not light. First off, with Carmelo, Billups, and a couple of role players out of Denver, they're a different team now. The imports are Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mazgov, and Raymond Felton.
So your new starting lineup for the Nuggets is Ty Lawson, Gallinari, Afflalo, Chandler, and Nene. That's not a bad group of players but you have to wonder how the new teammates will mesh and what impact that will have on them down the stretch. As it stands now, they're a game ahead of the Jazz with 25 games left for both teams.
Maybe they form a synergy never before seen in the NBA and they go on a remarkable and inspired run. They could also finish things out at .500 which may be enough to hold on to one of the final spots. Hopefully though, they struggle and the Jazz turn it on just enough to not only hold down one of the final spots but move up a bit.
And Denver may not be done dealing.
The Jazz will play Denver two more times at home so they control their own fate at this point.
Of course now that Melo's situation is settled, all the national talk turns to the summer of 2012 when Deron, Paul, and Howard can be free agents. I'm already tired of the Deron to New York talk like it's a foregone conclusion. Like I was mentioning to someone on twitter, I don't think Deron knows for sure what he's going to do so I don't know how we're supposed to know. I'm guessing that he won't know for sure until the new CBA is finished. I believe that's one of the big reasons he went as the player's rep to LA to get some first-hand knowledge of the situation.
What the Melo trade does though is weaken New York's ability to bring in any one of those marquee players. The only trade chips they'll have is Landry Fields and Billups' expiring deal. If they wait and just sign the players outright as free-agents, the player will likely have to take a huge pay cut in order to sign. Dwyer spells it out,
What we do know now is that Anthony and Stoudemire will make about 80 percent of New York's cap-allowed payroll following this summer's lockout, and Billups won't help. Walsh put together a plan for the summer of 2012, and as it stands the Knicks will have just Stoudemire and Anthony on the books, but with those two set to make about $40 million combined on a salary cap that might only be around $48 million or so, what's the point?
And who's the point guard? Chris Paul? Because he liked Isiah, when he was in diapers? Come on.
Everything will still hinge on the new CBA and the restrictions and caps that it will bring. Just know that the speculation is only going to get worse. I only hope that it's not self-inflicted.
Siler speculated last night on twitter whether the Nets would pursue AK now that they've lost out on Melo. I love AK, but he's not even a consolation prize after losing out on LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Amar'e, and Melo.
As Siler stated, the Jazz would get significant savings by trading AK for Troy Murphy plus filler contracts to get the salaries close enough. The only trade we could get to go through using players on the Nets likely to be traded (expiring deals) was this one. Then you would have to waive Uzoh to get to the 15-player limit.
I'm sure there have been discussions but I don't know how much interest there is on either side.
Looking ahead to the next week's games
Jazz: @DAL, @IND, @DET, BOS
Grizz: @DEN, @MIN, SAC, @SAS
Nuggs: MEM, BOS, @POR, ATL
Hornets: LAC, @MIN, HOU
Blazers: LAL, DEN, ATL
The Jazz will be favored in 2 of those games though I don't know if that matters. Memphis is probably favored in all but the Spurs game. Denver is going to be hard to figure out but that's a rough stretch for them even before the trade. The Hornets probably have the easiest schedule coming up. Portland is at home for all of their games, all of which are winnable.
The Jazz should be able to leap Denver this week at least. Starting out against Dallas in Dallas isn't a good spot to start though.
If everyone save Memo is healthy going forward as is being reported (and we have a pic of you AK!), then this next week or two will let us know what kind of team we have.
Corbin has also been watching tape over the break so we'll see what changes, if any, he will make to the team.
This has to be the most surprising news from the All-star break. From the Trib:
"He was in Illinois," Corbin said. "He had watched some of our games and thought things were coming along. He said, ‘Hang in there.' ... He thought the guys were executing and doing a pretty good job."
Sloan owns a farm near McLeansboro, Ill.
Said Corbin: "I was happy to hear he was doing well. He said he was on a tractor out in the field, it was 70-some degrees and it was the best day he'd seen in a long time. So he's getting better."
Okay, so maybe the part about the tractor wasn't a surprise but that he was watching the games was.
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thank goodness
so tired of the melo crap. I don’t think denver has any chance of playoffs this season. They lost best player & leader, and have to integrate a bunch of new players. The Jazz have shown thats not very easy.
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oh also
im not sure whether i want AK traded or not. I just really wanted to see this new team hit its stride or its “peak” before they make a trade. I still think they can be top 3 in west good.
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May as well trade AK
I just don’t believe we have the roster to compete for the Western Conference Title. We are too small up front with Millsap and Jefferson. We have no bench at all. Winning in the playoffs requires a deep quality bench.
I say we let AK go and get something for him. I love AK but I think trading him would be best for the team.
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 22, 2011 11:41 AM MST via mobile reply actions
If you think the team is too small up front with Al and Sap
Then shouldn’t Al or Sap be one of the guys traded?
I keep harping on this, because I’m kind of tired of the “trade AK” comments that keep popping up when the reality is that demand for AK is very low, AK’s contract is more valuable to the Jazz than anyone else, and the Jazz will get better return for other trade chips.
Nobody’s trading Pau Gasol for an expiring contract this year. We need to get it in our heads.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
I agree with you
I would rather keep AK. But I feel his expiring contract would be a good chip. I also think the Russian Billionaire in Jersey would be salivating at the fact of bringing in a fellow countryman. Especially since he has goose egged so far.
I would be all for trading Millsap for a true center. I would trade Millsap and Miles or Bell for a center. Jefferson needs to be running PF.
Looks like unless you have atleast 2/3 All Stars you can’t win anything anyways. I don’t wanna sit back and watch DWill walk away. He is our only hope!
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 22, 2011 12:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I say that because
AK played for him in Russia and they are actually friends.
I’m sure he would love to have AK back on his team.
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 22, 2011 1:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
1. Why wouldn't Raymond Felton be starting?
He was the starter on the Knicks and is averaging 17 ppg. I imagine its possible to have Lawson start for a game or two until Felton gets a hang of the system.
2. The Knicks still need another “superstar” to catch up to the Heat and Celtics but you can’t get another “Big 3” like Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Those three can carry a team filled with scrubs but I don’t think Stoudamire, Melo and whoever else could do it as well.
8. Check out FTL’s fanshot about a Corey Magette trade.
4. I think D-Will will be primed and ready to show up Dirk and the Mavs in Dallas. It’ll be payback for Dirk airballing that shot in the All-Star Game that could have given Deron another assist.
5. I like how Jerry said ‘Hang in there.’
That’s advice for Corbin as well as the fans. This team will figure everything out. We just need to have some patience.
For The Love!!
Rise and shout the Cougars are out!!
I like both Lawson and Felton
Both went to UNC and beasted while there. Both will give the Jazz trouble. I would take either as Deron’s backup.
For The Love!!
Rise and shout the Cougars are out!!
There was a tweet today that Lawson would start
That could change as Felton gets more involved with the team
by Basketball John on Feb 22, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
Somewhere on Yahoo, maybe BDL said it too
Direct quote from Karl. I remember the next line was that he hopped into his maroon SUV and drove away.
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AK for Murphy doesnt make much sense for us
where would murphy fit?
he isnt as versatile as AK.
I like murphys game, and maybe he could be what we’re missing with memo to a point.
but yeah, lets see how we play after the break. losing has us all in panic mode, it sucks to lose, and as often as we have been.
so hard to deal with!!! stay true.
#5
Definitely surprising. Guess he doesn’t have as hard of feelings towards the team/organization as I thought he would at this point.
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Im actually not all that surprised
Jerry was always hot in the moment, but usually was pretty pragmatic after the fact. I would actually be surprised if he was able to completely stay out of the Jazzsphere after having spent 23 years of his life enveloped in it, regardless of the conditions in which he left.
I'm so conflicted
Part of me wants to see the Jazz make a move, but I really doubt it will help anything.
The Jazz need a defensive Center, and another wing shooter desperately. I guess if they could swing one of those for AK, Millsap or Jefferson I would be ok. Out of all of them I would choose AK, just because he can always come back next year at a reasonable price, but I don’t think teams are going to give up much for him. I would hate to lose Millsap or Jefferson.
by davidthecomposer on Feb 22, 2011 12:43 PM MST reply actions
Cool
I never knew this. I just looked up Mcleansboro Il, and I live less than two hours from there.
Guess I should go help out on the farm, uh? Lol
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 22, 2011 12:43 PM MST via mobile reply actions
#1
Is there anyone on the board who wouldn’t take that Knicks package for D Will?
If an expiring Melo can garner that kind of interest, I’d have to think D Will could get about the same. People don’t look at it the same way, but I do think D Will next year will be pretty similar to Carmelo this year. Good/great production, but not fully believing in the team or fighting for what’s best for the team. Constant distractions about staying vs opting out, etc.
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#2
Isn’t it interesting how D Will and CP3 are forever linked together? In this case, both are rumored to want to go to New York when there’s only one spot available.
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I think we need a shooter more than a center
take a look at our 3 point percentage during this losing streak. Abismal, with bell out (and hasn’t even been that good) CJ and Derron shooting in the low 20%s you can’t win unless you can spread the floor. How i wish we had a healthy memo. I think our front court is actually pretty decent. its our back court that is struggling.
Nuggets just got
alot better in my opinion. Anytime you can switch out Billups for a much younger and up and coming gunner in Felton and get a huge package of picks and spare parts for a meh superstar…..well I think the nuggets are better.
Jazz need to listen to offers for everyone not named D-will, Jefferson. If something good turns up. Pull the trigger.
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Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
A meh superstar?
Carmelo Anthony is better than anyone on our team including DWill.
He will be sorely missed in Denver and they will be much worse without him. You can’t replace that kind of talent.
It will be a significant hit to th Nuggets…much like the Cavs after LeBron left.
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 22, 2011 2:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
No it won't
Melo is a volume shooter who is over appreciated. He’s really not that great. Denver will be much better over the next few years because of the young players and picks they got.
Melo is a meh, superstar. He’s better than most players but he’s not as good as everyone says he is.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
Melo is a legit superstar
you cant downplay that. The guy can lead the league in scoring however his defense sucks.
He went to the right system and it will showcase how great of a scorer he is.
Anyone can
score a buttload of points when they take 20-30 shots a game. Look at Monta Ellis.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
I said
that anyone can put up alot of points when they shoot 20-30 shots again. Ellis is a volume shooter, So is Melo.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
like Kobe being a volume shooter
Any volume shooter can score but can they be clutch like a Lobe or a Melo?
Any team in this league would take Melo’s “volume shooting” over Monte any day
I wouldn't really say Melo is "clutch"
Yea he’s hit a few big shots but then again so has D-will. So has Fisher. So has Robert Horrey.
I really wouldn’t want Ellis or Melo on any team I cheered for.
I would much rather take an efficient scorer over a volume shooter.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
agree with you here ForTheLove
Melo is not in the same class as Lebron and Kobe.
I’m skeptical Amare and Melo will even be a good combo.
Andrei Kirilenko is Russia's most important export
Denver got Better?
I agree that teams need role players to win, but you also can’t have 12 role players and win. So they got 2 fowards that can both score a little and don’t play D in exchange for a forward who scores a lot and doesn’t play D.
They lost the leader of their team for a younger point guard that just took less money/ years on his contract to play in NYC. You really think Felton wants to be in Denver for the long term. Hollinger on ESPN says they are already trying to move him, So bascially you have role Nene role players from NY and a PG who you are using as a trade chip, Al Harrignton’s $33 Million contract, Afflalo, a 2014 or later Knicks first round pick, and 2 GState second round picks, and 500,000 tats. How is that team better?
I give Denver credit. They were forced to make a move and they made the best move they could and got under the cap and some assets in return, but I fail to see how they are better than Carmelo and Billips.
Denver
is much better off in the future. They’ll have money, cap room, good role players, and draft picks.
You can start to build a very good team with those kind of assets if you have half a decent GM. Trust me, Denver may drop out of the playoffs this year, but over the next 1-2 years they are going to be able to build a pretty dang good team.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
So they are worse now, but in 1-2 years they have potential to be better?
I guess I don’t see how that is better. I think they did a great job in the situation and they made the best of a bad situation, but that doesn’t mean they are better. You think about it, they are just a couple years removed from a run to the WCF and now they are in complete rebuilding mode, with a team full of Knicks role players and 3 picks, and the only first rounder can’t be used until 2014.
The T’wolves have been looking to build a good team with all of their assets, since KG left. Same for the Suns without Amar’e, Same for NJ since Kidd left. Same for the Knicks since Isiah took over. Same for the Clippers since they were the Braves.
The Nuggets made an ok deal and with Melo gone anyway, they made a great deal. That doesn’t make them better than they were with Melo. They have potential to rebuild, but if Gallo and Chandler didn’t scare the Eastern Conference, they sure aren’t causing anyone to lose sleep in the West.
We'll just have
to wait and see.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
Although,
There is a reason that most people are viewing this deal as a better deal for the Nuggets than the Knicks. One has a gutted team with 2 superstars with suspect defense.
and the other has a team full of young players and picks.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
I'll agree the Deal wasn't great for the Knicks.
I think with Melo leaving anyway the Nuggets did well, But you said that you thought the Nuggets would be better after the deal, and I just don’t see how they are better now than a team that has been in the playoffs every year with Melo, to a team that now isn’t likely to make the playoffs for the forseable future.
I guess I see
Felton, NeNe, Affalo, and Gallo as good pieces to build around. Say they use those picks to trade up to get a player like Favors in the next few drafts.
They would be a very exciting team that would be able to compete in the west for a long time to come.
Seriously, I just think they are 1-2 trades or drafted players away from remaining revelent and I could still see them making the playoffs this season.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
I like your optimism.
Should the Jazz ever have to rebuild. I want to be around you.
The NBA fan in me has read enough about teams that are 1 or 2 moves away from being relevant that I have a hard time buying into that. Because for every Boston Celtics rebuilding with KG and Ray, I see the 76ers rebuilding with Elton Brand, the Clippers, rebuilding with Barron, the T’wolves with their pg draft picks. I do think the percentages favor them becoming a lottery team, but I like the way you look at it.
Funny
Your gonna eat those words…hope u got salt and pepper ;)
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 22, 2011 3:40 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Eat what words?
that he’s not that great? I’ve seen him play plenty, college and pro. I’ve never really been impressed with him.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
Every thing you say your gonna eat...
That Melo is not good and the Nuggets will be better….your gonna eat it all up.
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
Every thing you say your gonna eat...
That Melo is not good and the Nuggets will be better….your gonna eat it all up.
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
Well I hope they come
with Honey mustard. I love Honey Mustard.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
by ForTheLove on Feb 22, 2011 6:02 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Melo is overrated
His efficiency is pretty mediocre. He can pull off some great shots and moves, but he also misses a lot of stupid shots. Honestly, Melo’s career thus far has resembled Tracy McGrady’s more than anyone else’s.
I don’t know if the Nuggets are better off now. But they’re in much better shape for the future.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
I can't stand Melo, but lets keep the gloves up.
Calling him T-Mac is hitting a little below the belt. Melo has been to the WCF, T-Mac has never won a playoff series that he has played in.
Yep
And Melo took Syracuse on his back for a National Title.
I have been following Melo since Oak Hill Academy. I even had my pic took with him when he was in High School.
He is not overrated!! I don’t rate him over Lebron, Kobe, and Dwight Howard. Or even Durant. But he is a top 5 player for sure!
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 22, 2011 3:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
He would be a top 5 player if he would consistently play defense
But he doesn’t….I can think of a host of players who are outright better overall than Melo, and several more I’d just plain rather have.
Andrei Kirilenko is Russia's most important export
No...not really
You really can’t. You can name all the players you want but they won’t be better.
Not many guys in the NBA can be great defenders. Melo is ok on defense.
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 22, 2011 4:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I really can't?
For you to say “You can name all the players you want, but they won’t be better” is pretty arrogant. By nature it is an opinion question.
Leave your attitude behind when you log onto this site
Andrei Kirilenko is Russia's most important export
No attitude
Sorry if your reading into my comments. I am just defending my guy.
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
as for Melo's defense
The sad thing is is that hse is capable of being a better than average defender…he just doesn’t care enough to play defense. That is a flaw in his attitude that keeps him out of the elite.
Bryant, James, Howard…all lockdown defenders.
If Melo would play defense like he is capable of…then he can be discussed as a top 5 player.
Until then…we’ll enjoy watching his scoring prowess, while we save the discussion of elite for those who play on BOTH sides of the ball
Andrei Kirilenko is Russia's most important export
Dude
it’s obvious you like Melo than. That’s fine. It’s gonna cause you to overvalue him though. He’s just not that much more than a volume shooter in my opinion. They only really good thing he does is shoot.
That’s fine. You can appreciate him.
I like D-will and overvalue him. Yucca likes AK and overvalues him. Clark likes Martin and overvalues him. David likes Boozer and overvalues him. Amar likes Fes and overvalues him.
We all do it. We just try to be as objective as we can. But to say that Ut2006 is wrong because he values other players isn’t really necessary.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
I value Martin right where he is: the best slightly available compliment to Deron Williams.
I overvalue Fes.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
My apologies.
I was simply trying to point out all of us have been slightly biased when it comes to certain players.
I overvalue Fes as well.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
I have to admit that I overvalue
CJ Miles… No I take that back…
by davidthecomposer on Feb 22, 2011 5:37 PM MST up reply actions
Im just trying to be as factual as possible
I know I am a Melo homer because I am a Syracuse homer….
I am not the only one who thinks Melo is a superstar. But I will tell you there is no “host” of players better than Melo. They just dont exist.
Really not trying to step on any toes….I like all you guys. We are all Jazz fans here!!
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
Only good thing
that came from Syracuse is a guy named Donovoan McNabb.
But that’s just cause i’m an Eagles homer.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
I like Syracuse too
Knew a guy who went there and my wife is from near there…
But to put Melo in the same class as Lebron, Wade, Bryant, Howard, etc? I can’t do it unless he plays better D
Andrei Kirilenko is Russia's most important export
That's all I meant
They are better off for the future. They actually have picks and players to build around.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
D-Will is NOT going to New York.
Chris Paul is.
D-Will is going to LA.
Williams, Blake, Gordon, Jordan. Wow.
haha
No way in hello he ends up a clipper. And once Griffins contract is up he should get the hell out of there to.
Replace Clipper with Jazz and thats how most the league sees us as well.
by dwillforlife on Feb 22, 2011 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
as far as FA
But the Clippers have been garbage for years. The Jazz have been contending the past 20 years. We have been a steady franchise that gets to the playoffs every year
If he were to pick the Clippers
I’d be okay with that. It might actually make that team relevant.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
DWill to the Clips?
Sure, I’d actually like that. We all know he’s leaving. That would be the best destination for him. Anything to piss off Lakers fans. crosses fingers
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The trade I would like to see is Kirilenko, Bell and the rights to Tomic for Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson of the Charlotte Bobcats. If Charlotte was willing to do it as a salary dump, the Jazz could field the following line-up:
Williams Watson Price
Jackson Miles
Wallace Hayward Evans
Jefferson Millsap
Fesenko Okur Elson
The Jazz would also save about 2 mil in salaries and 2 mil in luxury tax this year. But would not get relief next year by losing Kirilenko’s salary. The “NBA trade machine” estimates that this trade would not really increase the Jazz’s win total, but I think it would make us much tougher on both offense and defense, and would increase the win total.
by Fesenko for President on Feb 22, 2011 5:04 PM MST reply actions
Not bad
Gives us some major athleticism and a 3pt shooter. It would make us a more exciting team for sure. But how does Stephen Jackson do in Utah? Probably not a good fit character wise.
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
Attitude
problems might be less of an issue now with the Jazz. Sloan didn’t take any horsing around. Corbin may be different. I dunno. Might provide more wiggle room personality wise for the Jazz now.
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Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
Good point
Wonder if having Corbin will change our draft strategy. With not so much emphesis on being white and slow.
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
Yeah
He was opposite of what we wanted and Sloan couldn’t take it!
“Get him outta here KOC!! This guy has hops!”
"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 23, 2011 8:13 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Is there anything to this comment by Corbin:
“…it was the best day he’d seen in a long time. So he’s getting better.” That makes it sound to me like Jerry’s been ill; could that be the reason Jerry was “tired”?
Hopefully,
it just means he feels the weight and the pressure of the NBA lifestyle off his shoulders. That’s alot to take for a guy who’s spent the better part of his life involved with.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).
MonSTARZ forever!
Maybe this is off topic, but a somewhat practical trade I wouldn't mind
Would be Fesenko or ELson to New York for Bill Walker.
He could help shore up our wing position and NY could use a center.
Andrei Kirilenko is Russia's most important export
This is the type of trade that makes more sense and is more likely to happen.
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