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Moving on from an impasse

Ty comes running down the floor.

He sees Deron, and stops in his tracks. They size each other up.

Deron: So, it is down to you, and it is down to me.

Ty walks towards Deron.

Deron, holding a proverbial knife to the proverbial throat of the franchise: If you wish the team dead, by all means, keep moving forward.

Ty, hands up as he slowly approaches: Let me explain...

Deron: There's nothing to explain. You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen.

Ty: Perhaps...an arrangement can be reached?

Deron, narrowing eyes: There will be no arrangement...and you're. Killing. The. Team!

Ty, stopping his approach: But if there can be no arrangement, then we are at an impasse.

Star-divide

Deron: I'm afraid so.  I can't compete with your management backing, and you're no match for my star status.

Ty: You have that much status?

Deron: Let me put it this way: Ever heard of Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James?

Ty: Yes.

Deron: Morons.

Ty: Really.  In that case, I challenge to you a battle of wills.

Deron: For the team?

Ty nods dramatically.

Deron: To your resignation?

Ty nods dramatically again.

Deron: I accept. 

Ty: Good.  Then dial the phone.

***

I'm not painting Deron as a villain (someone had to play Vizzini), nor am I getting into Deron's role in Jerry's resignation. Everyone has their own opinion, and this isn't what I'm writing about. Suffice to say that Jerry and Deron clashed often this season, and that Jerry being the coach or his half-century of experience in the league weren't enough to make Deron defer to him. Deron had different ideas on how games should be played and how practices should be run, and rather than talking to Jerry about it, he instead complained to the media that there was no point in talking to Jerry because Jerry wasn't going to change.

Something had to give, because the arrangement was not working. We were heading towards someone accidentally or being forced to ingest iocane powder, and it hasn't been a pretty ride.

"We always liked to let the players know that we fully backed the coach." -- Greg Miller 2/10 (nba.com)

"We won't, however, let players run the show. We will always support our coach." -- Greg Miller 2/23 (ABC)

If you believe that Greg Miller was speaking truthfully, this is half of all you need to know about the team's decision to trade Deron.

In a battle of Deron's will vs. brand new head coach Tyrone Corbin's will, who was going to come out on top? Worse yet, what if the battle of wills continued? When would it end? This season? Next season? And where and with what would we end up? With another coaching change? With an unhappy star? With nothing? The last scenario is the other half of what you need to know. Depending on whether Deron was happy or unhappy, he would say, "This is why I signed the extension" or "This is why I only signed for three years." (Side note: Ironically, when Deron signed for 3 years+option instead of the maximum 5 years in 2008, he cited uncertainty about how long Jerry would keep coaching as one of the reasons he opted to go with the shorter option.)

The Jazz had seen how the Melodrama unfolded this year, and what it had done to the Nuggets. They didn't want to be held hostage blindfolded, hands bound, and with a knife to their throats. Carmelo Anthony hadn't just held the Nuggets hostage; he had held the entire league hostage for the entire season. It was affecting every team in the league (need I remind you of the days leading up to training camp and how AK was almost traded?). We'd kind of already been down that drama-filled road with Boozer's national summer radio tour, rampant trade talk, and general madness the season before.

Deron wasn't publicly saying outright stupid things, but he was at the center of drama all right. If the Jazz wanted to avoid that, the team needed to unequivocally be Ty's team. And speaking of the coaching change: Deron was not only the most unhappy and frustrated he'd ever been as a player (tribjazz)--and it was affecting his play on the court and infecting the entire team--but his legacy in Utah would always be tainted by the possibility/belief that he pushed out a beloved Hall of Fame coach. What were the chances that he would re-sign?

You don't often or ever see/you can't imagine that a team that made it to the conference semi-finals of the Playoffs last year could be rebuilding eight months later, but that is what happened when Jerry Sloan stepped down. It's a new era. We are in a new era.

There was no reason the team should expect Deron to commit long-term to the franchise at this point in time when his contract doesn't expire for over a year, but they also needed to make plans for the future. They were at an impasse. It was time to look forward, make contingency plans, and explore different possibilities.

The Jazz is the Jazz. Their hands are somewhat tied when it comes to rebuilding. When they need to rebuild, they have to do so through draft picks and trades, not free agency. The Jazz could've gone into the season with Sap and AK as the 4 and Fes, Franny and Memo (when he got healthy) at the 5. They didn't. Deron wanted Big Al, so they went out and got Big Al. They went over the luxury tax to do so. Guys were optimistic. Fans were optimistic. Sap and Ronnie P, among others, said during Media Day/training camp that chemistry could be developed by the end of the week or in just a few weeks. Working 6 new guys into the system hasn't resulted in immediate success.

Could it have been a success? Could Deron-to-Big Al have become a power to be reckoned with? Maybe. But it took San Antonio a full year to make Richard Jefferson work, and Jazz losses had killed Jazz patience. To be honest, my patience with Deron('s poutyness and attitude) had shorted out this season too. It was evident that while he was a great point guard and a star player, he wasn't (or wasn't ready to be) a leader.

We had great times. It's going to hurt to see him at the Nets press conference and in a Nets uniform. I wish good things for him. But I do think what's happened, is for the best. And so, we look forward with Ty at the helm of a team of (hopefully) non-power hungry players, high draft picks to rebuild with, and (if I'm not mistaken) tax savings.

Side Note: Kevin O'Connor has taken a lot of the heat over the years for the 2004 draft, in which he drafted Kris Humphries at 14 and Kirk Snyder at 16. He appears to be trying to atone for his sins. Devin Harris was taken at 5 in that draft, and Big Al was taken at 15. (Also, Rafael Araujo was taken at 8 in that draft).

Another side note: By all accounts (and I'm just going off of what I've read online and on Twitter, because I haven't had a chance yet to go through the audio/video yet), Deron didn't want to be traded. Maybe this will be a lesson to all the big names in the league that when they throw tantrums or act up to get what they want, there is a very real possibility that they could end up not getting anything that they want. There are losing teams and billionaires willing to gamble and take risks (which is probably how they got to where they are), and star players could end up on those teams.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? If Deron hates to lose as much as he says he does and knew there was a possibility that he could be traded to one of the worst teams in the league, would he have tried harder to put his personal issues and annoyances aside and bent to or respected the coach's wishes more?

Last note: This post was supposed to be about the future of the Jazz sans Deron, Jerry, and Phil. It didn't totally follow course as I wrote...

Poll
What will you be doing with your Deron jerseys/t-shirts?
I'll still be wearing them at games in 2020
52 votes
Tossing them
35 votes
Donating them to people that need clothes
50 votes
Hugging them as I cry myself to sleep
98 votes
Other (please specify in comments below)
26 votes

261 votes | Poll has closed

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I've been thinking about buying my first Jazz jersey this year

I really want a Kirilenko jersey, but I thought maybe I should get a Williams jersey so that I could be wearing the jersey of a player who wasn’t going to be traded anytime soon. Good thing I held off.

I like what you said about the rebuilding era having started. I kinda feel that way. I’d add that just because we may perceive them as rebuilding, it doesn’t mean they are rebuilding from the status of a 20 win team. For example, my expectations for the Jazz at this point aren’t as high as they have been in the past; where before my expectations were to compete for the Western Conference title, now I’m expecting them to compete for a .500 record and a playoff spot. In that sense, we are rebuilding. That may be underestimating them, but that’s the expectation until they exceed it.

Go Buffalo Bills, Utah Jazz, and Arkansas Razorbacks

by Dyl on Feb 24, 2011 8:05 AM MST reply actions  

as discussed in the deron traded thread

the only safe jersey is a 12 or 32.

or 00
bahahahaha I kill me.

I'm not allowed back in Park City

by yippeekiyay on Feb 24, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions  

I really like Kirilenko

his style of play and his energy, plus his persona are awesome. I usually can’t get motivated to get most people’s jerseys, but I’d really like to pick up an AK47 jersey. Though it’s not set in stone he’ll be around. Maybe after he renegotiates his contract to a more manageable level and is set with the Jazz for a while I’ll pick one up.

Go Buffalo Bills, Utah Jazz, and Arkansas Razorbacks

by Dyl on Feb 24, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Rebuilding

careful what you wish for. You could wind up rebuilding forever.

I don’t think the Jazz handled this well. Letting Deron find out about the trade on Sports Center. This doesn’t reflect well on them.

I agree and respect some of your thoughts on Deron, but I have absolutely zero faith in KOC. I don’t believe he has the talent and wherewithal as a GM to make the smart and wise decisions it’s going to take to rebuild this franchise.

Reading some stuff on the Baron Davis trade, a scout was quoted saying the 2011 draft is the worst in 25 years.

by Brigadier Pudding on Feb 24, 2011 8:25 AM MST reply actions  

I do agree that Deron finding out the way he did was the worst part

But trading him to New Jersey? I think it could turn the guy around. It’ll be adversity he hasn’t had to face in his coddled career. Deshawn Stevenson had quotes about Jerry Sloan saying that he didn’t realize what he had in Sloan and that without Sloan he thinks he would have washed out in his first 3 or 4 years and not still be playing today. I hope D Will comes to appreciate how good Sloan really was.

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by JazzHype on Feb 24, 2011 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

about the way deron found out

would have been better if mgmt had informed him this trade was in the works before it was finalized? maybe someone in one of the orgs talked and so the news got out while they were still negotiating. maybe deron saw it on TV 30 seconds minute before greg called him? i’m just saying that it’s a possibility.

about deshawn—you read quotes like that from almost every ex-jazz player…running the gamut from mo williams to kirk snyder and robert whaley.

by moni on Feb 24, 2011 9:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Furthermore

If the Jazz had told Deron, he could have sabotaged the trade by having his people tell NJ that under no circumstances would he EVER consider re-signing with NJ once he hit free agency.

Trade Killed.

by tyrantking on Feb 24, 2011 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Ummmm....

…..I’m not 100 percent, but I was under the impression the reason Dwill found out the way he did is because New Jersey leaked the friggin story! Dwill WOULD have found out from the Jazz organization first, but New Jersey leaked the story and the media got a hold of it sooner than the franchise had expected. Thats it.

by MacArthur_ on Feb 24, 2011 3:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep, I've thought about that too

It absolutely had to be final and submitted before they talked to D Will or his agent about it.

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by JazzHype on Feb 25, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

I LOVED how he was told!

Lebron told Cleveland on ESPN he was leaving, We told our super star he was leaving…on ESPN. To me it was a symbolic jab at the super star mentality. Loved it.

Andrei Kirilenko is Russia's most important export

by ut2006 on Feb 24, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll still wear mine

to do yard work in, to lounge around the house in. but im not wearing it to games.

by handlogten on Feb 24, 2011 9:04 AM MST reply actions  

What about the option: Never owned a D Will jersey/t-shirt

I voted other and this is what I meant.

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by JazzHype on Feb 24, 2011 9:15 AM MST reply actions  

Actually, I guess it should be something more like

This is why I don’t buy jerseys of active players.

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by JazzHype on Feb 24, 2011 9:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Moni, you are one of my absolute favorites on SLC Dunk.

I love your blog. I love just about everything about your fandom.

But I get really frustrated reading your reaction to the Deron trade. Whether you mean to paint Deron as a villain or not, that’s how you portray him.

And I am pissed at how so many fans are reacting.

After five and a half years, we’re glad he’s gone? Really? Five and a half years of Ninja. Five and a half years of yelling at the tops of our lungs that he was the best PG in the league, that he was better than Chris Paul, we’re glad he’s gone? After the greatest team success since Stockton and Malone, we’re glad he’s gone? After propelling the team to greater success than Melo did for Denver, than McGrady could dream of in Houston, than Roy did in Portland, than anyone propelled their team besides Timmy, Kobe, LeBron, Garnett, and Dwight. in some ways even better than Wade did in Miami (depending on how much you value one somewhat lucky ref-aided success vs. year-after-year team success)—after all this, we’re glad he’s gone? A crummy month and a half negates five and a half years of awesomeness?

We’re that fickle?

Deron was struggling at basketball for (probably) only the second time in his life. The first was his rookie season (he was awful from December to February, 3 solid months of awful). But he fought through and became better than anyone expected him to be.

This year his skills weren’t the issue, it was his leadership. But he had tried. He called Al and told him he would make him an All-Star. He made a deliberate effort to interact with more players on the team during training camp. He succeeded again and again in November.

And then he flopped. When the going got tough, he failed in the leadership department. But I’m a teacher. If you believe nothing else I ever write, please believe this: there is a huge difference between trying then failing than to fail because you don’t give a crap. Kids who do the first eventually make it. Kids who are the second … they usually don’t.

Last time it took Deron three months to overcome his struggles. We couldn’t give him at least three months again?

I get the reason for the trade. But I don’t get fans celebrating. I don’t get fans calling him “nuclear fallout.” (this wasn’t Moni, this was posted elsewhere. I’m not giving the crap the dignity of pointing where). I don’t get fans portraying him like a spoiled, coddled brat when the Jazz (and Sloan) spoiled and coddled nobody. I don’t get fans giving up on him because he struggled for a month and a half. I don’t get fans forgetting five and a half years because of a crummy month and a half.

It makes me sadder than the trade, sadder than Sloan’s retiring. I’m not giving up on the Jazz, but I feel like giving up on a lot of the fans.

I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time

by Yucca Man on Feb 24, 2011 9:23 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Editing fail above

Paragraph 8: There is a big difference between a kid who fails after trying and a kid who fails because he doesn’t give a crap.

I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time

by Yucca Man on Feb 24, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

i get what you're saying

because if this was AK that was traded and [it seemed] like everyone was on board, i would feel the same way you do now.

i’m NOT glad he’s gone, though. i’m ok with it, but i’m not glad. i’m not celebrating. i wish everyone involved could have worked it out. but at some point this season i just got sick of his attitude (and yes, that IS subjective). what i see as his role in jerry’s retirement doesn’t “help.” (again, subjective). for some people, it’s simple: jerry was tired and lacked the energy to do it anymore. i think the constant clashes with deron were a big part of what sapped his energy. i’m sadder about jerry retiring than the deron trade. guess that’s where we differ.

by moni on Feb 24, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes, that's how we differ

I know Deron was a big part of Jerry’s resignation. I also think that they weren’t necessarily any worse than similar head-butting in the past, but Jerry decided he was done with it. And that was the difference to me. Jerry’s resignation, to me, was his decision. It was him deciding he didn’t have what it took to fight the battles anymore. Which stunk. But trading Deron was a sign the FO had given up. That they weren’t going to even try to make a Deron-led team work anymore. And that, to me, was more devastating.

I don’t see you celebrating. I think this post portrays Deron as more a villain than other things you’ve written. Your blog portrays the trade more like closure than happiness.

But I’ve seen a lot of fans celebrating. I’ve read a lot of stuff celebrating it. Saying they’re thrilled and such, and I can’t stand it. That’s what the poll at the game seems to say.

I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time

by Yucca Man on Feb 24, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions  

You differ from a lot of us about the D Will situation

Before the trade, you didn’t think anyone should even be allowed to talk about the possibility of Deron leaving in 2012.

However, as a small market team, you HAVE to talk about that. It’s been repeated ad infinitum, but if you don’t, you end up as a Cleveland or Toronto. Both were severely burned when their stars walked away. With the possibility of a lockout looming, I don’t think you can rest your entire near future (2012-2014 or so) on one player’s pending decision and/or hope that the CBA will take care of you.

What a lot of it comes down to is that despite recent events with other players on other teams, you thought D Will would be loyal, and most of the rest of us didn’t. And it’s a point that we’ll never know which one was right.

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by JazzHype on Feb 24, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

I wanted everyone to shut up about it because it was a year and a half away

A lot can happen in a year and a half.

Cleveland was burned as badly as they were because they built their team stupidly, not because LeBron walked away. Had they invested in quality guys who would be good long-term rather than aging vets other teams wanted to dump — well, they would be a lot better this year than they have been. They built to appease LeBron, not to build a team that could be successful long-term. They paid millions of dollars to guys who never got better in LeBron’s seven years. Seriously, not a single player got better during his time in Cleveland. That is terrible team-building.

I hated the 2012 talk because I believed it was unnecessary, because it was negativism that made the team less fun to watch. Because trading Deron now meant that the front office had completely given up.

Everything I’ve ever seen about Deron showed he would stay with the Jazz if—IF—they were either an elite team or a very good team with a lot of likelihood for continued improvement.

And to have the Jazz just give up. To have them say, a year and a half early, that they weren’t even going to try. That stinks.

I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time

by Yucca Man on Feb 24, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what you mean here

Cleveland still would have had a very good team… if what happened that didn’t?

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by JazzHype on Feb 24, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, isn't that the whole sticking point?
Cleveland was burned as badly as they were because they built their team stupidly, not because LeBron walked away. Had they invested in quality guys who would be good long-term rather than aging vets other teams wanted to dump — well, they would be a lot better this year than they have been. They built to appease LeBron, not to build a team that could be successful long-term.

This is the entire catch 22 of the situation. You build the team you think the star wants to try to get him to stay, or you stay the course and build the best team for long-term growth.

The Jazz chose the latter, right? I mean, they tried the first option first. They were losing Boozer, so they went out and got the next best option, D Will’s #1 pick for replacement, Al Jeff. But it didn’t take long before D Will was again saying they were still missing pieces. And I agree they were missing pieces, but I’m not sure how he expected the Jazz to get them, or what pieces exactly would have appeased him and turned him to start saying that we have the pieces, but we just need to work harder and develop better chemistry.

They got good assets in the trade and that’s why I think they will end up much better than the Sixers example you used. They got a promising young power forward, a solid starting point guard, and a couple of first rounders. They’re pieces that fit the long term plan and are assets in case the long term plan needs some tweaks.

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by JazzHype on Feb 24, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Long term, they are different than the Sixers example

I said so in the comment.

Short term, it’s almost exactly the same.

I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time

by Yucca Man on Feb 24, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

This is probably the best thing I've seen about fan reaction yet

I hate the fact that so many people are attacking Deron now(intentionally in unintentionally). I think the Jazz may actually do well with the trade, but giving up Deron is a tough one. I never questioned his will to win, and I think that may be the cause for some of his mistakes(the numerous turnovers when he tried to do to much, the quotes that rubbed some people the wrong way). But he was always honest about his intentions.

I hope he does amazingly well in Jersey/Brooklyn. Or in Clipperland if you believe Locke in the chances of him ending up with Griffin when his free agency comes

by Pasta_Champion on Feb 24, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Re: the poll

It’s my dog’s 8th birthday today. It’s only fitting that he wear the #8 jersey.

"I want to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as Christina imagined it."

by shandonfan on Feb 24, 2011 9:58 AM MST reply actions  

I think the last part is the key

It’s become pretty clear that D Will didn’t know he was in peril of being traded, let alone to a really awful team. It definitely does make me wonder what could have happened if they’d nipped the problems in the bud and told him earlier on that he needed to shape up or he’d be shipped out to a terrible, terrible team. I think he just had a hard time envisioning a worse situation than what he had, so he couldn’t be grateful for the relatively favorable position he was in.

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by JazzHype on Feb 24, 2011 10:09 AM MST reply actions  

Other

I still wear the jerseys of several players who have moved on to other teams, but I wouldn’t wear one to a game.

by El Aguacil on Feb 24, 2011 11:33 AM MST reply actions  

My Williams jersey

Is an authentic powder blue, the “third” jersey.
I picked the name off. Now it’s just 8. Jazz 8.

by Rhino95 on Feb 25, 2011 2:01 AM MST reply actions  

Because no one knows who Jazz 8 represents.

You sound like Tecmo Bowl that put QB Eagles instead of Randall Cunningham b/c they didn’t have the rights.

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by JazzHype on Feb 25, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

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