Our View of Deron
Since the Deron trade, I think we've all at finally gotten to honestly compare him to the other top point guards. Ever since he was drafted, he has been the best PG in the NBA to us Jazz fans. We watched the Chris Paul's, the Steve Nash's, the Derrick Rose's. But we always knew that ours was the best. That ours was the one that could take over a game. The one the could "put the team on his back.".
But now that Deron is no longer a Jazz man, the Downbeat counts linearly, and we can all start to move on, I thought I'd share why I feel that we are going to get much better from the trade than we think. Deron made me a fan of basketball but surprisingly, I'm glad he's gone.
First of all, Deron is NOT the best PG in the NBA. Simple as that. Derrick Rose is. Have we all seen his game? He takes over a game stronger than Dwill. He ignites the crowd with his INSANE dunks. He facilitates just as well. His jump shot wasn't falling, so what did he do? Spent all summer working on just that. His drive, natural talent, and demeanor all put him way ahead of Williams. Deron is on a 22 win team because of his pouty attitude about money and trades. Has DRose ever been in the news for anything like that? No.
Secondly, I don't feel Deron was ever going to be taking us to a championship. He is an amazing player, but I don't feel he's the leader of a championship caliber team. Look at KG on the Celtics, Kobe/Fischer on the Lakers, Even Durant on the Thunder. The support these guys provide to their team is amazing and cannot be under appreciated. It's unimaginable to think of them angrily throwing the ball at a rookie because the kid straight out of college is still learning the plays in the SECOND game of the season in, at the time, one of the more complex systems in the NBA. He was not a leader, and unless he learns how to will never be.
Third, Attitude. This is a reason in its own. Maybe it was just Utah and the reputation it has around the world as nothing but Mormon (us non-mormons do exist in Utah). Maybe it was the long tenured coach who did things his way and nobody else's. Either way, it's safe to say Dwill was pretty unhappy in Utah, especially lately. This last season he was more pouty and seemingly depressed than I've ever seen an NBA player. There was always something management coulda, shoulda done. Something that wasn't good enough for Deron. He was gone. As soon as that contract was up, he was out.
Now this all may be from a relatively new Jazz fan ( only running 3 years strong on the Jazz bandwagon) who just doesn't know this team without Dwill and is still trying to cope with the first playoff-less season he has ever seen for this team. But I do think the team will only get better. Deron wasn't our answer. He wasn't the one to put us over the top to the finals. Whether we find our answer in the draft, or in one or some of our aspiring rookies, we will find it. Sooner or Later.
P.S. First fanpost. Going to try out this poll thing just because it is there and I can.
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Very well thought out and written
I agree D Will wasn’t our answer. You hit nail on that he doesn’t have the temperament of a true leader. His best bet to get a ring is to hitch on with a team where he doesn’t need to be a leader.
Good Post and you made some really good points.
I think a lot of Jazz fans were scared to say that D-Will wasn’t the best PG in the NBA, but he has never played close to the level of what Rose is doing this year. I am grateful for the years of Deron we had, but he isn’t coming back and we need to move on.
The only point I will disagree on is that Deron didn’t have the right attitude to win a championship. I agree he was pouty and it ticked me off. I am in no way happy that he seemed to be the final straw that pushed Sloan into retirement.
But to say that Kobe wouldn’t have thrown balls at rookies and pouted is complete BS. Kobe is as good of player as we have had in the NBA post Jordan, but he is a complete jerk. He ran Shaq out of town, forced Phil to step away, raped a chick, asked for the Lakers to dump Bynum, made fun of Smush Parker, missed the playoff, got knocked out of the 1st round of the playoffs, had to change numbers to remarket himself, asked for a trade himself, and then got gift wrapped Pau Gasol and all is forgotten about the middle years. So next time we try to put Kobe on a pedestal just remember he also was the Laker that led to all of those teams. He also was the guy in charge when the Clippers were the best team in LA, though that didn’t last long. I could also say the same thing about KG in Minnesota.
My main point is that players mature. To say Deron never would have gotten there, might be a touch harsh. Was he being a complete baby that was becoming a cancer to the locker room, while his shooting percentage plummeted and he blamed everyone else? Yes. But that makes him more like Kobe and not less like him.
We have moved on and only time will tell if it was the right move. But I am with you that in that I think we could be better for making the move when all is said and done.
I don't buy this
I am so past D-Will, but I didn’t look at it with rose colored glasses even when he was here (I wanted the Jazz to Draft Paul). D-Will is a better Point guard than Derrick Rose. He is better than Chris Paul when they face each other, but until this year (and maybe even this year) he is not a better point guard overall. Westbrook is good with some incredible skills, but he does not have near the instincts or playmaking ability as D-Will at this time though he is developing. Rondo is a great playmaker when surrounded by big time talent but he is not in the same league as all these others offensively. He is a great defender though which makes him kind of unique in the group.
Derrick Rose is a better ATHLETE than D-will and that is the only thing he has on him. D-will is a much better passer, he controls a game much better IMO than Rose, and their shooting and defense are close to the same. I would give D-will a little bit higher marks in shooting (when healthy), and Rose a little bit better on defense.
Rose is getting so much hype this year, but I am sorry I just don’t see it. He is a shoot first point guard playing with a very talented group of players. D-Will was working with much less, and injured. At the beginning of the year D-will was having an incredible season, then he got hurt, and hasn’t been the same. Rose might end up being better as his game develops but for me a healthy D-Will is still better than Rose. Wait until D-Will gets in a better situation and I think we will see that.
If you swapped Rose and Deron Williams in any situation do you really think that Rose would add wins and Deron would take them away? For example put Rose on the Jazz.. .you think we would be headed for a championship? Put D-will on the Bulls- do you think they would be any worse?
by davidthecomposer on Mar 23, 2011 11:59 AM MDT reply actions
Deron > NBA PG's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbPQFNdPCKc
This guy makes great points as to why Deron is the best.
RIP Pita Kapetaua
the only thing rose has on williams is his freakish god given athleticism
finishing at the rim, and finishing with contact are a wash, but dwill by a mile in court vision (most important ability in your point guard) and passing, dwill is a better shooter as well. his attitude problem was a result of a very frustrating season and his fierce desire to win (i think we all have attitude issues towards the jazz right now, imagine if you actually played for them)
the reason you havent seen rose in the news for calling out management is because bulls management hasnt done any of those things (dump important role players for cash) that pissed deron off. knowing your a piece away from contention and then dropping players and getting worse cant be easy to deal with.
side note: Derrick Rose is an amazing ball player, but he is a shooting guard playing the wrong position, and rarely, if ever, will you see Deron Williams take 20+ shots shooting less than 45 percent, much less going 11-27 on a routine basis.
Great job on your first fanpost!
You’ve got some interesting points… I don’t know that I agree with all of them (I think Deron’s attitude problems were related to the team, not Utah itself, since he felt so stunned when he was traded), but definitely food for thought. Nice work. :)
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