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The Utah Jazz should draft the "Jimmer"

 

As the NCAA men's basketball season comes to a close in the next few weeks, and it is increasingly more apparent that the Jazz will not make the playoffs, here are some thoughts on what they should do in the upcoming NBA draft.

Obviously it is early in the process and we need to wait to find out how the ping pong balls bounce. With the Nets pick that the Jazz got through the Deron Williams trade projected to be higher, the Jazz may have some flexibility at their own pick which should be around 12 or 13.

With no clear cut number one player like there has been in previous drafts, and the Jazz having a logjam in the front court, it is unlikely that they would trade both lottery picks to move up. While they will get a good player with the Nets pick, why not take a chance with the later pick. Sure, they could trade it away, but where is the fun in that?

That is where BYU's Jimmer Fredette comes in. Here is the tale of the tape on Jimmer.
You be the judge, and tell me what you think.

The Pros:

If you have watched him play, then you have a pretty good idea of these. Not only did he lead BYU to the Sweet Sixteen for the first time in 30 years, he led the nation in scoring with a 28.5 point per game average.

Here are some other things to think about:

Work Ethic: After his Junior year, Jimmer participated in an evaluation in the NBA draft process. He was told he would be a late first round pick at best. He worked hard his senior season and is now a potential lottery pick. He is willing to work hard and get better at any aspect of his game.

Long Range Shooting: Jimmer can hit shots from just about anywhere. He consistently hits from beyond the NBA three point line. Can you imagine his outside shooting opening up the floor for big men Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, and Derrick Favors?

Scoring: There is not a place on the floor that Jimmer can't score from. Long range, drives, pullups, pick and roll, and fadaways are all part of his game.

After he dropped 43 points on then 4th ranked San Diego State, NBA superstar Kevin Durant tweeted out
"Jimmer Fredette is the best scorer in the world!!"

He later explained, "I had a chance to play against him this summer at my basketball camp, and he’s as good as advertised, especially against some of the top guys in the country," Durant said of Fredette. "He also played with us in USA Basketball and held his own. I’m a big fan." Not bad from the guy leading the NBA in scoring for the second straight year.

The Cons:

Fans may not have noticed many of these, but the NBA scouts do. While he is not scoring, what about these deficiencies in his overall game?

Defense: The biggest knock on Fredette is his lack of defensive ability. Everyone knows that in the NBA defense wins championships. Would Jazz fans see the return of the Carlos Boozer matador defense? This is the biggest factor in his not being a projected top 5 pick.

One NBA personnel director said of Jimmer's defense, "I think he's almost invisible defensively...I watched Jackson Emery (Fredette's backcourt mate at BYU) out there and he's guarding like one and a half guys. I don't think I've ever seen (Fredette) bend his knees at the defensive end."

Intangibles: While his basketball IQ is high, he is not much of a distributer and is a decent ball handler at best. If he plays the point, he will have a hard time matching up with the quickness of NBA point gaurds like Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, and Deron Williams. If he plays the shooting guard he will have to defend much bigger players.

Why should the Jazz draft him?

The answer here is simple. Why not? Really, what do they have to lose?

It is not like the Jazz are historically good at finding or keeping talent in the first round. (They do better in the second round, i.e. Millsap, Miles, Shandon Anderson) Since 1999 when Andrei Kirilenko was drafted, the Jazz have struck out overall in the first round. Sure they picked up some good players such as Deron Williams, Ronnie Brewer, and Eric Maynor, but they have all since been traded away. Only Kirilenko and last years lottery pick, Gordon Heyward, are still with the team.

Here are some not-so-notable Jazz picks over the last few years:

DeShawn Stevenson- He has had a decent career as a backup player, but in his best season he averaged 11.4 points per game. He was traded for Gordan Giricek who was in turn traded for fan favorite Kyle Korver.

Raul Lopez- The Jazz picked him with Tony Parker still on the board. I think his knee still hurts.

Curtis Borchard- He had two players traded for him on draft night. He hung around for four seasons, but struggled with foot injuries. He does have a career high of 12 points.

Kris Humphries- Kris is currently a member of the New Jersey Nets. He was drafted after only one college season but should have stayed in school. He was traded to the Raptors for Rafael Araujo. His biggest claim to fame is that he dating Kim Kardashian.

Kirk Snyder- The Jazz used a lottery pick on him and he only played in 68 games. He averaged more fights per game with Jerry Sloan than he did points.

Morris Almond- Amazing in the D-league, not much in the NBA. He does get a pass because he didn't get much of a chance to play in Jerry Sloan's system.

Kosta Koufos- Another guy that should have stayed in school. Koufos played in a few games, but always looked lost.

And to go back a little further,

Luther Wright- Unfortunately for him, off court issues got the better of him during his rookie season. He played in only 15 games, but is still getting a paycheck from the Jazz.

Martin Muursepp- Who? He was traded to the Heat after the draft for a pick that turned out to be Deshawn Stevenson.

Jose Ortiz- He played only about a seaon and a half. He was the PAC-10 player of the year in 1987, beating out Reggie Miller for the award.

Jimmer is a better player than each of these guys, and drafting him would do wonders for a franchise that lost a Hall of Fame Coach, traded away an All-Star mid season, and does not have a marquee player. I don't think that Jimmer would fill that role, but he would bring with him many fans in Utah that have already bought into Jimmermania. Why sell out a few games a season when he comes to town, when you can sell out all of the games with Jimmermaniacs.

He would have an immediate impact on the interest shown and business side of the franchise. His jersey would be the hottest selling item in Utah, and fans could continue to learn how to Jimmer. Besides, if it didn't work out, they can just trade him away like they have with most of their other first round picks, and we can add him to the list above.

Also to keep in mind is that nobody knows what will happen. Remember that John Stockton, the NBA's all-time assist and steals leader was also undersized and fell to the 16th overall pick. Jazz fans booed the selection but he turned out to be a pretty good player.

By no means should they use the higher pick on Jimmer, but why not take a chance with the other. It makes sense.

My vote is to draft him.

What do you think?

Should the Jazz take a chance and draft Jimmer Fredette? Who should they draft? What should they do with their picks?
How will Jimmer do in the NBA?

Leave comments and let me know.

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I vote no...

I am a big BYU and Jimmer fan but I don’t think the Jazz need a guard like Jimmer. Honestly, I think he’s more of a liability on defense than he would be a help on offense. Also, the Jazz system is built for a pass-first guard and I don’t think that’s part of Jimmer’s game. His game is built around shooting and I have a tough time thinking that he could change that. And like you mentioned above, if you move him to shooting guard, he’ll be guarded by players much bigger than him. He’s already undersized at the point.

by mogwash on Mar 26, 2011 9:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Some very good points, thanks for the comment!

by Chris Johstoneaux on Mar 26, 2011 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually think Jimmer has some nice things to his game that would help in the Jazz system.

He is big and strong, if not quick. Jazz guards have to be able to set hard screens on big men and make sharp cuts and good decisions, not necessarily break people down off the dribble, although Deron could do all of that.

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by clarkpojo on Mar 26, 2011 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

bballbreakdown

This guy usually breaks down NBA games on youtube, and I asked him if he could break down Jimmer’s games against Florida (to bad it was one of his worst games). He did a comparison of Jimmer and Kemba and he makes good points on both players of how there game will translate to NBA.

hers the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtsJJw9j2bM&feature=feedu

He’s a highschool coach, so dont blast the guy because he’s not a scout, but Nick knows alot about the game of basketball

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by EcERyda69 on Mar 26, 2011 11:19 PM MDT reply actions  

I think Jimmer will fit in better with a team that generally has good defense, as a scorer off the bench against the second team guys, or with a fast break type of team that tries to outscore the other team—such as Dallas, New York, Golden State or Phoenix. I don’t think that he would fit in well with the Jazz who are already struggling on defense. I don’t think his offensive production would overcome his defensive liabilities, with the Jazz.

If the Jazz are going to draft a point guard or combo guard, I would much rather see them get a more all-around player, such as Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker or Nolan Smith, rather than a pure shooting specialist like Jimmer. I think Jimmer would be a sure bust in the Jazz system, and I would like to see him do better than that.

by Fesenko for President on Mar 27, 2011 1:48 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the video link.
Thank you all for the good comments and insight.

by Chris Johstoneaux on Mar 27, 2011 10:15 AM MDT reply actions  

The jazz will bring him in for work outs before the draft

I wonder how he plays defense there, when he is actually trying to play defense. I think we should draft him. Spread the floor. Also he is a very very underrated passer. I would definitely take him over kemba walker who used more possessions on his team than even jimmer did on his.

by Evans Almighty on Mar 27, 2011 10:52 AM MDT reply actions  

I’d rather package both picks and move up if someone’s willing to bite.

It’s also looking more and more like Terrence Jones is slipping to the 11-13 range. I’d rather take Jones or Kawai Leonard.

by Mac_Diego on Mar 27, 2011 12:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Jones or Leonard if we don't package the pick, is what I meant.

I think the Jazz will obviously be high on Irving, and I think that BK Brandon Knight might be in play if we’re picking at 6. Finally, watching Ronnie Price last night made me think what Kemba would look like as our backup PG. I don’t know if Kemba will be around when our second pick comes up, but i think he’s going to be a better pro than jimmer.

by Mac_Diego on Mar 27, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Leonard

Is a 3 that can’t shoot from outside. His game is more like a 4 but at 6-7 there’s no way he plays that in the NBA.

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by sabbi on Mar 28, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would take him in second if our picks were in the 20s..

At #12, I don’t think you can draft a backup PG. His O is good enough to start, his D is bad. He will be a good scorer, but not a #1 o r#2 option, and NBA coaches won’t start someone that you have to hide on D unless he is a first or second option.

At #12, you have to try to get a guy who has a higher probability of starting. Kemba and Knight have actually have a higher “bust” potential, but a much higher chance of becoming a starting PG in the league, thus I think they would be better picks for our team.

I actually would prefer Alec Burks to all of them, because I think he will be a good combo guard at worst, and could actually become a starting PG or SG.

by Frank5 on Mar 27, 2011 6:05 PM MDT reply actions  

Burks struggles to hit from the outside.

Don’t we want a 3 point threat? I actually wouldn’t mind him but even then i think he’s a backup. Anyone we draft at 12 is going to be a backup for a while.

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Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!

"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).

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by ForTheLove on Mar 27, 2011 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Some great thoughts. Thank you all.
I don’t know about Alec Burks, who is he?

What if the first pick ends up top three. Then who?

by Chris Johstoneaux on Mar 27, 2011 6:26 PM MDT reply actions  

Alec Burks

plays for Colorado. He’s a 6’6 SG and should have led his team into the tourny but got screwed.

If our first pick ends up in the top three, I think it’s between Irving, Barnes, and D. williams.

For the Love of the Game

Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!

"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).

MonSTARZ forever!

by ForTheLove on Mar 27, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are you actually suggesting that the Jazz should make a bad first round pick (Jimmer)because they have made bad first round picks in the past? To me that sounds like the argument you are trying to make. If that’s how you feel why don’t we really screw ourselves and pick Jimmer with our #6 pick?

by TurboJazz224 on Mar 28, 2011 9:08 AM MDT reply actions  

Funny thing is I've wondered that quite often

Against my will, I was forced to attend BYU’s first game of the year — against Fresno State (a long story, but my father-in-law was totally at fault for such a weird experience for a lifelong Utes fan who played in the pep band during the Keith Van Horn/Andre Miller days).

Anyway.

I know that Fresno probably didn’t have the best players and athletes to measure Jimmer against, but still Jimmer’s athleticism surprised me. His speed, his quickness, his hang-time. Against the Bulldogs it was Jordanesque. Seriously. It was like watching MJ shoot the shot against Craig Ehlo, where they both jump at the same time, but MJ’s still going up when Ehlo starts going down, and that extra half-second gave him an easy, wide open 20-footer. Jimmer pulled that off against Fresno at least three different times. I was surprised. Stunned, really.

He was a much better athlete than I had expected. Much better than he’s generally given credit for. And it made me wonder if he’s like Tom Chambers or John Havlicek—a guy who would be remembered and thought of totally differently if he happened to be black.

I don’t know.

I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time

by Yucca Man on Mar 28, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don’t give the Jazz any ideas, I could actually see them using the 6 pick on him.

Thanks for the comment, it wasn’t my intent, but I do see how it sounds like that is what I am saying.
Really I just wanted to show how picks at that part of the draft have not worked out for the Jazz and they haven’t kept them around anyway, so why not at that pick.

Like any draft pick after the top 5, it would be a wait and see approach and hope for the best. Maybe they should wait to see if he drops to the second round. They do better with picks there.

by Chris Johstoneaux on Mar 28, 2011 11:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Well, they dont have a second round pick this year, so that wont help them.

Let someone else take the risk picking him, and then go after him later in his career if he seems worth it like they did with Kyle Korver.

by TurboJazz224 on Mar 28, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jimmer’s a much better passer than he gets credit for. If he wasn’t playing with a bunch of scrubs, he’d average twice as many assists. I’m sure his defense would be a lot better too, but BYU’s system involves him carrying the team every possession on offense and avoiding fouls at all costs on defense for a full 40 minutes. He’s strong enough and fast enough to be a decent defender. I don’t think he’ll be an All-Star anytime soon, but he’ll be a solid role player/ 6th man in the NBA. I’d much rather draft him than some seven footer who’s only played basketball for two weeks.

by Caderade on Mar 29, 2011 2:38 PM MDT reply actions  

It would be nice to see him in a system where he does not have to be the main scorer/everything.
I think he will make a good 6th man too.

by Chris Johstoneaux on Mar 29, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

No Jimmer Fredette is highly overrated

As a Celtic and Jazz fan i have to say that i’m tired of having all these sorry white boys on the team. Few examples, Fesenko, ( can’t stay healthy) and Okur. The only good white boy on the jazz is AK-47 Kirilenko. Don’t you want some toughness by drafting some black players instead of white players?? Just imagine how good the Jazz could be if they stopped drafting sorry white boys every year. Jimmer Fredette is highly overrated and he’s not even that good. As of right now I’d have to say he’s all hype and will be a major bust in the NBA guaranteed. What the Jazz should do is draft Derrick Williams out of Arizona that’s the best way to go. forget sorry ass Gordon Heyward Williams is much better then he is.

by TRUTH34 on Mar 29, 2011 5:02 PM MDT reply actions  

I totally agree

Those lame ass white boys like John Stockton and Larry Bird have ruined this sport. Meanwhile all these tough black guys like Carlos Boozer never seem to get injured…..

by TurboJazz224 on Mar 29, 2011 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree with you on John Stockton and Larry Bird both of them were really good

by TRUTH34 on Mar 30, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

@ EcERyda69

explain to me how that’s ignorant?? i’m just laying it all out on the table. and you know it’s true. the jazz need to start drafting african american players instead of overrated caucaasian players

by TRUTH34 on Mar 30, 2011 1:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Maybe ignorant isn't the best way to describe your post.

More like racist. If such a thing exists when referring to white people. Can you imagine the shit storm if someone suggested the opposite about how teams should draft more white people instead of blacks? KOC and Larry Bird are already widely accused of being racist because they have had a higher percentage of white guys on their team than other NBA teams. What a load of crap.

by TurboJazz224 on Mar 30, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Regardless of race

I think we can all agree that the Jazz need more shooting, since our most consistent outside threat has been CJ, at a “blistering” 33% from three, and Jimmer is hands down the best shooter in the draft. I would absolutely LOVE to draft Williams if we luck out in the lottery or he falls to us at 6 (both unlikely). I’m hoping for Williams/ Barnes/ Sullinger (if he changes his mind) with the first pick, then Fredette/ Knight/ Walker with the second.

by Caderade on Mar 30, 2011 10:01 PM MDT reply actions  

You are awesome simply because you mentioned Shandon Anderson

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by shandonfan on Mar 30, 2011 11:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice Post! In short the answer is no.

I’ve heard it said that if you are drafting in the lottery, you need to draft someone you think could feasibly start in the next couple years—I can’t see Jimmer starting in the NBA. Jimmer was a great college player, and although a Ute fan, I’ve never had so much fun watching my team get taken to the woodshed as I did watching Jimmer in the Huntsman Center this year (anyone who loves bball has to love that kind of performance). That being said, your post nailed it: too small, too slow, no length, and a complete defensive liability. The couple Y games I saw last year I was impressed with two things: Jimmer’s offense and Emery’s defense… put them together and you have a solid NBA player. The bottom line is the Jazz are a BAD defensive team right now, and drafting Jimmer would just add to the problem.

I’ll be livid if the Jazz draft him with the NJ pick (and I don’t think it’s out of the question). I’ll be moderately disappointed if they take him with their later pick (although in the teens it might be worth the gamble). I’m not real high on Leonard either…

by la tortuga on Apr 3, 2011 3:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the comment.
Some great points. Who would you take at those two positions?

by Chris Johstoneaux on Apr 4, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jazz coaching staff has to get tougher for Jimmer to work out

I would actually like to see the Jazz pick Jimmer with their second pick. I don’t think the reasoning should be “we sucked before so we can afford to suck again”. They were just able to get away with that because they had a couple of HoF’ers back then. Perrenial playoff teams can afford mulligans. That’s the not the Jazz anymore. I think DWill was a better draft pick than CP3 because he is bigger and holds up better injury-wise. I like Jimmer for the same reason.

The only way he could work with the Jazz in the long run is if Ty Corbin gets tough with his players. I don’t see him and Jeff Hornacek being hard enough on the players. That’s the way Sloan got a lot out of them. Now if Corbin and Co. can do that, then Jimmer could work out. Otherwise, he’s gonna think he’s gonna think it’s college all over again and be outta the league before you can say “teach me how ta Jimmer”. If they’re tough with him (Rose should’ve done better with that), then it’s up to the kid and his work ethic – which seems to be great.

by cookie28 on Apr 4, 2011 2:42 PM MDT reply actions  

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