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The Downbeat - 7 March 2011 - #440 - The Unlimited Salad Edition

  Kevin O'Connor spoke with Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe about the Deron Williams trade.  He talks about some of the same things that we've heard before about Deron not ever committing to the organization.  While I agree that the trade was a huge risk, I don't think it's fair to compare the trade to what Boston did to get Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen:

I respect Danny Ainge for making a decision on getting Ray Allen and risking [his roster] to get Kevin Garnett.    

I think you have to take risks to get rewards; it's contingent. We just felt like this deal was something that was acceptable for the risk/reward.    

If he was Billy King, then this example works.  The Nets were the ones trading for the All-star and not the other way around.  The Celtics sent Al Jefferson (a promising prospect), Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, and a first-round draft pick (Johnny Flynn) to Minnesota for Garnett.

Then they picked up Ray Allen from the Supersonics for Jeff Green, Wally Szczebiak, Delonte West, and a first-rounder (Trent Plaisted).  Boston did all of that while hanging on to Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins, and Paul Pierce.  

In the 2007 season, the Celtics were the second-worst team in the league and had just lost out on the Oden/Durant sweepstakes.  They went from potentially winning the lottery to falling to the fifth spot.

So while they gave up a lot of players, I don't think that gaining two Hall of Famers was much of a risk.  Even if that didn't work out, they were going to be much better off than they had been the previous seasons.  They're now in the fourth season with those players and have been true title contenders every season.

I'll stand by my tweet that this trade for the Jazz will be either the best ever or the worst.  There won't be any middle ground for this one.  I do give him credit though for not using the small market excuse.

  Gordon Hayward is apparently too big yo for any dining at any real restaurants while in New York City.  His tweets show the struggles of a young NBA rookie in the big city as he and Jeremy Evans  try to get something to eat,

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You know, there just aren't enough Olive Gardens in Utah.  They only dot the land as frequently as LDS meetinghouses.    This is actually a pretty typical rookie mistake.  He didn't have to wait 40 minutes at Olive Garden had he not been obsessed with endless salad and bread sticks.

If he would have turned around and looked up the street a little bit, he would have seen the finest in New York cuisine, McDonalds.

If you look at those maps, you'll also see that the Institute of Culinary Education is just a block up.  I guess there must be opposition in all things.

  Kurt Kragthorpe from the Tribune on Ty Corbin becoming the first black coach of the Utah Jazz,

The distinction of Corbin's becoming the first black head coach of the Jazz's Utah era has not been a major story for a variety of reasons, including the focus on Sloan's departure and the subsequent trade of Deron Williams.

Beyond that, there was a sense that Utah has moved past the point where such a development would seem revolutionary.

Jazz guard Ronnie Price marveled at how Corbin's replacement of Sloan was treated as "just a normal thing."

Yet Corbin's ascension to the most visible position in Utah sports is highly meaningful to many members of the black community - and to me. As a 40-year resident of Utah, I want outsiders to view the state as becoming more diverse and welcoming than they may believe.   

While Sloan's resignation was a much bigger story and shock than this, Corbin's race was the furthest thing from my mind when he was named head coach.  It didn't even cross my mind until Thurl Bailey brought it up during the press conference.

The Jazz were one of the last teams in the NBA that hadn't had a black coach.  That's bound to happen to an extent when the previous coach, who happens to be white, led the team for nearly 72% of its existence in Utah.

There was no barrier for Corbin to become a head coach with the Jazz because of his race.  He was and is the best man for the job.

I've been in Utah for most of my life, so it would be interesting to see how the rest of the country/world perceives this.  Is Utah considered so backwards as this would be considered big news?  Does it change the perception of Utah that much?

  Jody Genessy does all of the work for all you would-be Devin Harris stalkers.

  Are naps the secret to Raja Bell's streakiness?  The New York Times looks into the NBA siesta.  Almost every Jazz player takes one.  Raja does, but also has an extra secret:

When Raja Bell of the Utah Jazz wakes up, he drinks coffee to try to bypass the drowsy feeling some feel right after waking up. (After talking extensively about naps for this article, he said, he had trouble napping the next day.    

The first rule of nap club is that you don't talk about nap club.

He's also looked into hardcore items like strawberry Bubblicious in an effort to get him going.

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3. maybe i’m not hyper sensitive enough, but Elgin Baylor was the first black coach of the franchise, just no the Utah one. Perception is always a b*tch though. Compared to a great number of teams, our current team is very diverse — our organization is as well. KOC’s XA is a woman. Our top assistant coach speaks with a NY accent. Gary Briggs is from the civil war era. I could go on and on, but I think we jazz fans should stop wearing a hat that doesn’t fit anymore.

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Mar 7, 2011 8:36 AM MST reply actions  

3. part 2

and you said it best, BBJ — if you look at how long sloan (and before him, layden) held the reigns, it’s not like there was a high enough turn over to make changes just for the heck of it (and then look at race).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Mar 7, 2011 8:38 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks BBJ for the early DB-much appreciated
  1. Hayward is hilarious. Who eats at a second rate chain restaurant AND worries about an all you can eat deal when you make about 2.3 million dollars? And he drives a Honda Accord-heck, I drive a Honda Accord. At least the status of being a pro ball player hasn’t gotten to his head. Poor kid apparently isn’t a big enough celebrity yet for the waitress to bump him up in line. haha

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by ut2006 on Mar 7, 2011 8:44 AM MST reply actions  

Hey, the Honda Accord is a fine automobile!

It’ll last you twice as long as any car three times its price or more. I once “inherited” an Accord that had been flood damaged, and it still went well over 200,000 miles before I decided to trade it in (read: before I had enough money to replace it with a newer car).

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by Dr. Dunkenstein on Mar 7, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Heck yes they are

I had an old Accord passed along in my extended family finally ending up to me. I took it up to around 327k. Sold it and the people who bought put at least another 70k on it from what I heard. I have another one now. Gotta love ’em.

I just would;ve expected Hayward to but a luxury car is all

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by ut2006 on Mar 7, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Not even Millsap, Big Al or AK

Would get bumped up in line at Olive Garden in NY.

by allen aoki on Mar 7, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Not That it Really Matters

But you have the chronology of the Allen and Garnett trades backwards. Allen was traded to BOS June 28, 2007, and Garnett was traded on July 31, 2007.

I only remember because I read an article from Simmons killing the Cs for the Allen trade, saying that they gave up too much for a player that couldn’t get them out of the cellar. Then, in typical Simmons manner, he turned around calling it a great trade after they picked up Garnett. (Although, in Simmons defense, the Allen trade made a lot more sense after they got Garnett).

by kris247 on Mar 7, 2011 9:13 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks.

For some reason I thought that they had signed Garnett and that’s what convinced Allen to be okay with the trade. I even looked at the trade dates last night and still didn’t get it right.

by Basketball John on Mar 7, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

#3

I think the general perception of Utah sports fans is that they are bigoted and petty. I don’t think the reactions of a few idiots upon Derek Fisher’s return did anything to dispel that perception.

by El Aguacil on Mar 7, 2011 1:15 PM MST reply actions  

1. We aren't the Celtics.

We don’t have the market to recover for trading away the franchise for 2 players and being able to rebound if we mess it up. It’s alot more dangerous for UTAH.

2.I love Olive Garden. Who cares about the quality of a restraunt if that’s what you’re hungry for? Sometimes you just have a craving for a double cheeseburger and sometimes you want a 48 hour aged steak.

3. Corbin is black? Seriously, who cares! As long as they are a good coach they could be green skinned for all i care. Kermit for coach?

4. ….

5.Whatever Raja did before the game on Saturday he needs to do again. I want THAT raja, except with better defense.

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by ForTheLove on Mar 7, 2011 2:33 PM MST reply actions  

No offense, FTL, but you are white and you possibly haven't had to be a major minority I would guess. I could be wrong.

For example, would you make a big deal out of it if a Utahn or a Mormon became president? You’d be proud or angry or whatever. It matters to a lot of people. I’m glad for Corbin to represent a minority that doesn’t get enough coaching jobs or assistant jobs or office jobs in the league.

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by clarkpojo on Mar 7, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

My point is

that I get tired of people looking at accomplishments based on minorities. Yes, I am a white male. However, I don’t think that it really helps society move beyond these barriers. We still are still making it about race, sex, religion, etc when we classify accomplishments. I know many won’t feel the same way as me and I recognize the significance of such achievements. I just want to get to the point where we can just say: Hey, this person got promoted. Instead of: Hey, this is the first 1/4 Cherokee 1/2 Chinese 1/8 White 1/8 Tiger, gay, daoist, woman to become the vice president of the Olive Garden’s HR department.

I don’t want to undermine Corbin’s achievements and I never meant to be offensive. I just want people to be recognized for their achievements regardless of being a majority or a minority or another kind of ority. People are just people. Color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, height, weight, hair color, etc are just details that I think divide more than they unite.

For the Love of the Game

Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!

"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).

MonSTARZ forever!

by ForTheLove on Mar 7, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Until we get to a point where it's really "normal" though, we have to recognize the accomplishments for what they are.

Once there’s an established history of equality, then it should fade away by itself

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by JazzHype on Mar 7, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

How do you reach

an established history of equality? It’s an evolution. There is no one point on the timeline you can point out and say okay now we are going to act like everything “normal”. I’d just rather have it start now so it can evolve into social culture to just be the mindset that everyone has.

Maybe it’s wishful thinking but that’s how I approach it. So my apologies if I offended anyone. I wasn’t tryign to discredit Corbin’s race or his accomplishments. Rather, I just look at him as being a classy guy who well deserved the position.

For the Love of the Game

Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!

"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).

MonSTARZ forever!

by ForTheLove on Mar 7, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I completely agree with you.

I’m a minority and I agree that tge best way to get over our curren mindset is to treat everyone completely equal. That means if a black guy gets a head coaching job it shouldn’t be a bit deal. Sure he’s black, so what? He’s human like the rest of us, we shouldn’t give him or any minority special attention because of the color of their skin, their sex, orientation, etc. Thinking that way continues to separate us white from black, male from female, straight from gay. But I think minorities also separate themselves as much as others separate them.

by sabbi on Mar 8, 2011 7:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

#1

Those draft picks really didn’t pan out, did they?

Makes me more than a little worried. Hope the Jazz can move one or both before the draft.

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by JazzHype on Mar 7, 2011 2:48 PM MST reply actions  

#1

If Favors can become a legit big man it will be a bigger deal than the 1 or 2 draft picks we get.

The nucleus of this team is set in our PF, C positions. Now all we need are shooters to compliment our inside game (current 5 game streak of 50+ points in the paint) that is something they can build on

Jimmer Fredette is our future

Make it happen KOC

by EcERyda69 on Mar 7, 2011 5:21 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

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