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Bigs, Blocks, and Fouls

This is a short post because I feel bad for never posting. I *am* going to be posting more regularly, but you may have noticed that my big long 5000+ word pieces with custom artwork and lots of stats take more than 20 mins to poop out. (Unlike some ‘bloggers’ on other websites that just link to your work and call it semi-original content; that’s how you become a chill bro, by the way.) This season the Jazz blocked a lot of shots. How many? They sent back 484 shots, which was 3rd best in the league. In 2009-2010 the Jazz blocked only 400 shots total, and they were ranked 16th best in the league. In 2008-2009 the Jazz only blocked 374 shots, and were 21st in the league. Clearly the Jazz are blocking more shots. Blocks alone don’t make you a good team, what really matters is a ratio between blocked shots and fouls. For the years that the Jazz improved from 21st to 16th to 3rd in blocks, the Jazz’ fouls went up from 8th most to 4th most to 1st most. That’s not so hot.

Let’s take a look at the bigs that project to get the most playing time next season (provided that we resign our major free agents and there are no trades).

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Who are these guys?

Our frontcourt (failing any major shake up or draft of a legit big) is Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Andrei Kirilenko, Mehmet Okur, and Derrick Favors. Some of them are naturally gifted athletes, while others worked hard on timing their jumps and have quick hands. Of the 484 blocks our team got last season these guys managed to block 327 of them. That’s 68% of our team’s total. Is 68% a big number or a small number? I honestly don’t know. What I do know is that these guys aren’t all superb shot blockers when you disregard the blocks per game deal, or even the blocks per minute deal; and instead look at the ratios that exist between blocks and fouls.

Andrei Kirilenko:

Andrei is amazing. These numbers look great, and will only get better when you look at how they compare to the rest of the guys in the following paragraphs.

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Last season was a ‘down’ season for Andrei in terms of blocks and fouls. He has his lowest blocks per minute (BPM) value of his entire career. He made it up with having his lowest fouls per minute (FPM) of his career as well. His blocks to fouls ratio was still ‘down’, only 0.655 which was among the lower ones of his stellar career – but over all he’s still a valuable beast in this department. Perhaps he’s a shadow of his former self but that shadow still looms large in the mind of opposing team’s shooters.

Mehmet Okur:

While Andrei is a defensive player; Memo couldn’t be accused of being that. Ever. Still, in his last full season with the Jazz, the big Turkish shooter blocked 1.11 shots a game.

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Memo has never had a positive Blocks / Fouls ratio (everything under 1.0). If you forgot, Andrei has had 4 seasons like that. Memo still for his career averages 1.5 (rounding up) blocks in 2 games. Last season was a throw away year though. He only blocked 0.31 blocks per game; obviously, it was his lowest ever. That said, his growing veteran savvy on the defensive end has made his blocks to fouls ratio much better now than his peak offensive years on our team. Furthermore, his shot blocking wasn’t based upon athleticism at all. It was a product of playing smarter. I think Memo can continue to play smarter, he’ll almost have to as he tries to get back into the rotation next year. A contract year.

Al Jefferson:

Big Al blocked 1.87 shots a game this last year. That was the single highest BPG average on our team since Andrei back in 2006-2007. He had a career high in total blocks this season as well.

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What’s even better than just straight up blocking shots is that he also had a career high in blocks / fouls ratio (.643). It was way higher than his career cumulative total (.472). While it was still lower than AK’s value, no one ever accused Big Al of being a defensive juggernaut. I liked what we saw from him and his value could increase next season with the defensive change of herding players to the baseline / side line – instead of into the mouth of the paint, giving an advantage to the dribbler to get in and get fouled.

Paul Millsap:

For whatever reason I think we were all blown away by a Rookie Millsap and his violent shot blocking. He also fouled a heck of a lot back as a rookie too. What we may have seen since then his Millsap playing with less reckless abandon. What we may be failing to see is that there’s a good reason for that.

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Sap is blocking less frequently, and fouling less frequently as well. True, his blocks to fouls ratio is lower than it was as a rookie – but aside from last seasons’ apotheosis, it is right about where he’s been for three of his five years in the league. His blocks per minute are down 31.6% from his cumulative total. His fouls per minute are down 20.0% from his cumulative total. Looks bad right? Well, a -20% reduction in fouls per minute just means that he can stay on the floor for longer. And MySynergySports shows us that he’s one of our best scorers per possession (#46 in the league); in this regard having a less reckless Millsap means having more of him to apply to the other side of the court. And if all the advanced stats makes your head spin, well, as a rookie he blocked 0.9 shots a game. Last season he blocked 0.91 shots a game. More mins, more points, less blocks per minute, less fouls: a solid trade off.

Derrick Favors:

We are expecting great things from this kid. It’s unfair, but this rookie has a lot of fans expecting massive on-court production increases.

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While the sample size (only 78 games) is very low, we can see that he’s already a better shot blocker than Memo is. (Yes, I know, I’m setting the bar low – I don’t want my expectations to be too crazy) He’s a little worse than Sap is. Sap’s career cumulative total blocks to fouls ratio is .287; while Favors got a value of .276 as a rookie. But that’s the rub … he’s only a rookie. Let’s take a look at these five guys in their rookie seasons.

Rookies, rookies, rookies…

HOLY HECK ANDREI KIRLENKO IS A BEAST! Well, he was a beast . . . a decade ago.

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Andrei is still good now, but we shouldn’t expect Andrei’s career arc in blocking everything in the air from Favors. Compared to all of the guys not named Memo, Favors doesn’t look that hot. He doesn’t look bad though. He is average-ish. And lacking a big-man coach, or a defensive coach, we can only assume he’ll have an average-ish improvement over the next few years.

Gestalt Blocking:

The point we should focus on is that this group of guys blocks shots together. They work on the floor and give the Jazz some serious Surface-to-Air defense that we haven’t seen in a long time. The entire team had a cumulative 2010-2011 regular season blocks to fouls ratio of .259. These five guys together? They had a cumulative 2010-2011 regular season blocks to fouls ratio of .465 – which is way better. It’s not amazing, like Andrei’s peak seasons – but as a group is much better than a number of other NBA teams. More than anything else, though, it’s a start for a team that needs to curtail dribble penetration. It’s something we can build on. It’s something our team could hang our hat on going forward.

Odds and Ends:

Why no Francisco Elson, Kyrylo Fesenko, Gordon Hayward, or Jeremy Evans in this list? I don’t think that some of those guys are going to get big minutes in the paint for us next year – or even be on the team next year. We all love Evans’ ratio of .340 – but I really don’t know where he’ll even play next season. The other three guys all had ratios under .2 and .16; not really something to call home about.

This is not one of the big things for me this off-season. This isn’t even a part of the season review series, this is just something I wanted to touch on quickly. Those things, and a dedicated player by player stats review WILL be happening. I promise to have everything done before next training camp. Hopefully months before then though.

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Don't understand ratios?

A block to foul ratio of 1 : 1 = 1.00 This means that for every block you get, you also are charged with one foul.

A block to foul ratio of 0.5 : 1 = 0.5 This means that for every block you get, you are charged with TWO fouls.

A block to foul ratio of 0.25 : 1 = 0.25 This means that for every block you get, you are charged with FOUR fouls.

These are abstractions of quantitative performance. Not every block is on your own man, and not ever foul is on a blocked shot attempt. For bigmen, though, a lot of their fouls are in the paint on defense. (Yes, if you get a lot of offensive fouls this is going to screw up your score and make you look worse)

When Big Al was a rookie (ratio value of .282) this meant that he’ll earn 1.128 blocks at the price of 4 fouls. Last season (ratio value of .643) he improved so that he earned 2.572 blocks per 4 fouls. (In terms of this closed relationship of fouls and blocks) For the actual season he averaged 1.9 blocks per game, at the fouling value of 2.9 fouls a game. (If you do the math to re-check the values, for 4 fouls he gets 2.6 blocks … not too far off from 2.57 eh?)

Obviously the greater the value of this relationship the ‘better’ you are at getting a block without getting called for a foul.

Simple, huh? Even a chill bro could figure it out.

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on May 13, 2011 4:14 PM MDT reply actions  

I think the problem

Is that we are undersized in all front court positions.

Our Center is 6’10 and our PF is 6’8 probably more like 6’7.

So being that Jefferson and Millsap both have to use their body more and not length, they tend to foul more on attempted blocked shots.

I think we fix this by using Favors as our PF of the future. He is a more true athlete and is way longer. He also possesses natural shot blocking ability for a PF.

Al Jefferson is a true PF. He creates mismatches with his offensive ability on other bigger slower Centers. But on defense he is not what I would call a true Center.

Unless your Shaq in his prime or Dwight Howard you shouldn’t be your teams Center and leading scorer.

I want a pure defensive Center to hold the paint down. A guy who has natural length and shot blocking ability like Howard, Delembert, Haywood, and the Bismack fella in the draft.

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on May 13, 2011 4:55 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Al

had a 9’2" standing reach coming out of high school. That’s perfectly adequate to play NBA center. Reach is important for a C, not so much height. What does it matter if both guys have the same reach but one has a longer neck?

(Along those same lines, Favors also measured a 9’2" standing reach.)

Al if a good fit at the 5. Defensively his reach is adequate—there are a lot of starting 5s with shorter standing reaches who still don’t bring much offense to the table. I think he needs to be faster and work harder BEFORE his man gets the ball (which IMO is his biggest defensive problem). Of course we’d all like a bigger 5, but Al brings so much to the table offensively as a 5, it makes it worth it.

by Mac_Diego on May 13, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fesenko has a 9'4" or 9'5" standing reach (according to different sources)

That alone doesn’t make you a legit defensive force. I think Al Jeff will improve (or would have, had he had a 2nd training camp under Sloan) on defense next year. In a perfect world Favors, Sap, and Big Al would have a legit 7’ galoot looking over their shoulders and blocking shots.

But not all teams have Tyson Chandler.

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on May 13, 2011 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think you are right.

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on May 13, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Surprising Measurements

I just looked at Chandler to see. Chandler measured at 7’ .5" (that’s a point five) in shoes with a 7’3" wingspan, but a standing reach identical to Al’s and Favors’ at 9’2"

Apparently Chandler has shorter arms with a much wider frame. And, of course, like you said, standing reach isn’t everything. Chandler is a beast.

by Mac_Diego on May 13, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Now what do these guys jump to? I would like to see a reach measurement of those guys that includes the vertical. So the maximum jumping point.

I would imagine Dwight Howard would be #1 in NBA at that one.

But it does make a difference in shot blocking. Maybe Tyson and Al have same reach points but Tyson may be able to jump to 12’ while Al may be able to jump 10’5"….big difference

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on May 14, 2011 9:35 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Looks like

Tyson has a max vert of 33.5 and Al at 30. So having a 3.5 inch higher jump point on top of being thinner and more athletic makes Tyson way more capable of defending other centers.

Al can certainly hold his own at Center but I could see him being way better at PF.

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on May 14, 2011 9:58 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

In 354 Regular Season Games in a Jazz uni:

Boozer had 137 blocks and 1196 personal fouls.

A ratio of .114 blocks to 1 foul.

Again, this last season broken back and one legged Memo had a ratio of .222

Food for thought.

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on May 13, 2011 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

i was gonna say

should post boozer’s numbers just for fun

by moni on May 13, 2011 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

it was only fun for the other team's bigs when they saw boozer on them

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on May 14, 2011 12:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm curious,

do the available stats related to this have any breakdowns as far as minutes per game, or how many minutes they’ve been in the game at the moment of a block or foul?

  I’m just curious if the dimension of playing time brings in diminishing returns (ie a player x fouls more when he’s been in 30 minutes vs 20 mins) Or if the opposite is true, and that some player’s efficiency in this regard goes up as playing time in a particular game increases.

by Jeffersap on May 13, 2011 6:24 PM MDT reply actions  

I do not have access to, truly, all the available stats

I am sure that teams do have them though. I think I could figure it out the hard way by going over play by play recaps of games. I do suppose that the more time you are on the floor has a positive correlation with the more shots that you are on the floor to defend though. This would increase both the oppurtunity to be called for a foul, and the oppurtunity to register a blocked shot.

The concept of diminishing returns is an obvious one; however I think that there is a ‘sweet spot’ for this. A scrub center may only get 1-4 mins in a game, and his role may be to just foul in those situations for whatever reason. (End of the game, or half or whatever) His man will most likely not take any shots in return. So he’s getting a lot of fouls for no blocks payoff. On the other end of the spectrum would be a guy who plays a lot of minutes and gets a lot more chances to have any blocks payoff because he’s on the floor when your team isn’t intentionall fouling at the end of the game.

Sadly, we don’t really know how ‘tired’ a guy is expect for our own interpretation of events. Attributing a downward point of diminishing returns after some mystical number of minutes may be falsely attributing it to the minutes. It could be another factor that changes things up — eg a bench guy who is good against other bench guys who will get abused by a starter on the other team when the bench guy has to step up and play more minutes.

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on May 14, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

end of para 2, i mean:

“isn’t ONLY intentionally fouling” — a guy who gets 30+ mins sees a lot more ‘types’ of action on the court. not just “get gotta foul now w/ little time off the clock” action.

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on May 14, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

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