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Irrational Guide for Rational Jazz Fans: Who to root for in Conf Finals & Beyond

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In a perfect world I would have written this five games ago. Sadly, this is an imperfect world. And in this imperfect world Utah Jazz fans are faced with an imperfect set of teams in the Western and Eastern Conference Finals. Bluntly, there is not one team that you, as a Jazz fan, can support with all of your heart. Or at least, that's the problem I felt when looking at the Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Dallas Mavericks, and Oklahoma City Thunder.By the process of elimination I found out which team to root for, out of these final four teams.

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The Four Teams:

The four teams are the Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Dallas Mavericks, and Oklahoma City Thunder. They are good teams who all had good seasons. Aside from the Bulls, none of these teams have had a serious rivalry with us. It would be impossible to root for the Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs, Houston Rockets, Denver Nuggets or Portland Trail Blazers. Those are our five biggest rivals by my reckoning. Instead we have the Thunder, a team with a house built on sand, propped up by hype, yet is surprisingly similar to one of our best performing teams of the last decade. They are young and are lead by a former Coach of the Year in Scotty Brooks. Next we have the Dallas Mavericks, run by a fan owner and stocked with veterans. Staving off a perpetually closing window are they not like a more talented version of the Stockton-to-Malone finals teams? Out east there’s a trio of stars in Miami who decided to join together like superfriends, taking pay cuts and their talents to South Beach. Lastly, there’s the Bulls, who reloaded with a current NBA MVP and a bunch of our best rotation guys from the previous core. While you can’t fully support any one of them, some would say that you can’t go "wrong" with any pick, either.

The Case Against Dallas

Talking with my brother last night he told me that my reasoning was weak here. He may very well be right, but as this is an irrational guide, I think it works fine. I can’t root for Dallas to win here because if they win it means a lot of guys we love get dropped down another few spots in the All-Time Perception Rankings. Larry H. Miller’s hard work and dedication as an owner gets trumped by Mark Cuban’s bravado and almost limitless spending and self promotion. Cuban would have a ring, and that would vindicate him, nay, almost absolve him of his behavior. More so than that, it would mean that our two greatest heroes, John Stockton and Karl Malone would be supplanted by two guys leapfrogging them. Right now Karl is better than Dirk Nowitzki. Or at least that’s what I think. Perception is changing in Dirk’s favor. If he wins a ring, the one thing Karl doesn’t have, then Dirk automatically becomes better in the eyes of many observers. Likewise, Stockton is one of the best, if not the best, Point guard to never win a ring. If Jason Kidd (who has already been to the NBA Finals twice, just like John) goes to the finals again and wins the title he becomes better than John. Dirk and Jason Kidd are great players. And they have a lot of deserving vets on their squad. Stars who lead their teams to rings are better than stars who don’t. That’s the perception. And in order to fight against this perceived ranking change I can’t accept a solution where the Mavs become champions. Maybe it’s petty, maybe it’s preventative jealousy – but I don’t want even MORE guys to be regarded better by modern-ical revisionism.

And again, do you want THIS guy to have an NBA Title, while LHM didn’t get one?

The Case Against Seattle Oklahoma City

Speaking of douche bags, you all know about how and why the team moved from a city that it had previously won a championship for, right?

If you need more reasons why NOT to cheer for that franchise I have a few more. They are another team in our division. This isn’t some Rah-Rah strength of schedule college BSC issue where THEM winning makes us better. It doesn’t. In fact if they go to the Finals, or God forbid, win the title imagine just how more unguardable their stars will be next year. We’re already not allowed to defend Durant, and Westbrook already gets to the foul line like Hakeem Olaujwon against us. Rooting for them, and having them win, will cook our goose going forward. Sure, KD and crew are young, happy, kids having fun playing ball. Yeah, Kobe and LeBron were also viewed as such when they were kids as well. Don’t be so dumb to think that there are any real role models in sports. These kids don’t poop rainbows. Even if the media wants you to think that they do. Let’s move on.

The Case Against Chicago

I didn’t list the Bulls as one of our Top 5 rivals. Why? Because I reserve a very special part of my black, black heart for the Bulls. If the Jazz won a title or two there would be no problem with rooting for the Mavs. John, Karl, Jerry and LHM would all have had rings to validate their excellent careers. Their positions would be locked for all eternity. The reason why their spots are NOT locked is because of one team, and one team alone. We didn’t win those titles not because we weren’t good enough. Not because we didn’t work hard enough. Not that we didn’t deserve to win. We didn’t win because we were up against the Bulls. If we had played Orlando, or the Knicks, or the Pacers or any other east team the Jazz would have been allowed to compete fairly, and win fairly. Instead the Jazz lost. Twice. To the Bulls. It didn’t matter that we beat a Houston team filled with Hakeem, Clyde, AND Barkley. It didn’t matter that we swept the Shaq/Kobe Lakers. All that matters in the big picture is that we lost. And we lost to the Bulls. Because they were the Bulls.

Yes, this team is not THAT team. They have a talented young guard who is flashy and exciting and the MVP. He’s hyped up beyond his actual abilities. They have a number of Jazz players – but no one is rooting for Dallas because D-Steve is there. No one is rooting for OKC because Maynor is there. Rooting for guys who chose to sign elsewhere as free agents is like rooting for the girl who dumped you to be Prom Queen. It makes you look pathetic. You may think it’s loyalty that makes you root for Korver or Brewer (like some of the Utah newspaper writers have written about). But no, it makes them look pathetic. (But what else to expect from a group who spent a week talking about a tattoo, or just as long talking about hair dye)

I’m never going to be ‘okay’ with the Bulls. And I’ll never forget what happened in those games. As a result, I’ll never forgive them. I’d rather root for the Lakers to win yet ANOTHER ring than to root for the Bulls – no matter HOW many former Jazz players they sign.

The Case Against Miami

The main case is that they, as a collective unit, are not a group of guys you want to root for. They are the ‘bad guys’. They are villains. Pat Riley is notorious for being scheming. The three main cogs of their team apparently had secret deals and plans in place way before any of them became free agents. This is collusion. And this is wrong. They moved to a medium market that is virtually bereft of any fans worth their salt. They had a big celebration for ‘winning’ free agency. Worst of all, for some people supporting them is like supporting the beginning of a new, evil regime. The Superfriends theory would be validated by them winning the East, or the entire NBA. More teams (and players) will try this approach and as a result – the poorer teams will not be able to compete.

If the worst case scenario is that Superfriend teams will form then the worst case scenario happened a long time ago, and it actually predates this Miami squad. How the Celtics drafted Larry Bird is shady. How the Lakers got Magic is shady. How the Lakers got James Worthy was also shady (in the off-season after winning the title). How the Lakers got Kobe is shady (as he was supposed to be drafted by the Nets – but they weren’t playing ball with Nike). Good players go where they want to go. It’s the players who drive all the sales, and the head office wants sales. Getting upset at the Heat for being created by media members making back room deals is like getting upset at N*Sync or the Backstreet Boys for being cobbled together by music producers trying to sell something. You are free to hate on Joey Fatone all you want, but you can’t hate on him for signing on the dotted line to make money someone was willing to pay him. The Heat, at best, are mercenaries trying to improve their individual brands so they can get rich. They aren’t trying to destroy parity in the NBA.

Who to root for?

It’s the process of elimination time. Chicago is out. Period. I will never root for them. So that leaves three teams. Oklahoma City is next to fall. I will not root for a team that’ll automatically be even more impossible for my team (who shares the same division) to compete against. And then there were two. Rooting for Dallas and Miami to win their conferences is fine. (It’s especially easy now as both have three wins – but if you check my twitter timeline I tweeted this exact post a few days ago, before the games were no longer hanging in the balance)

Dallas winning would hurt our past. Miami winning would only hurt our present. Furthermore, Miami Winning the Title / having LeBron James win a ring would hurt the Lakers and Kobe fans/apologists. Preserving the integrity of our past legends *and* hurting Kobe fans? Where do I sign? Can I get an ‘el heat’ jersey personalized with the name "Todo eso Amar"?

Poll
One team. Gotta go all in. Which one do you root for to win it all?
Chicago Bulls
11 votes
Dallas Mavericks
184 votes
Miami Heat
52 votes
Oklahoma City Thunder
27 votes
...wait, didn't the season end more than a month ago?
44 votes

318 votes | Poll has closed

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Glad to know so many Jazz fans want the history books to remember:

Dirk Nowitzki > Karl Malone

Jason “I beat my wife” Kidd > John Stockton

Rick Carlisle > Jerry Sloan

and

Mark Cuban > Larry H. Miller

Keep voting for the MAVS!

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on May 25, 2011 9:39 AM MDT reply actions  

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

After Dallas swept the Lakers I have a hard time not pulling for them. Plus after they got screwed in the 2006 Finals, I would love for them to get revenge on Miami.

by BobbyD31 on May 25, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

So, by that sound logic;

Bulls-

Boozer> Malone

Rose> Stockton

Thibs> Sloan

Also, in past years:

Fisher> Stockton

Gasol> Malone

come on, man.

by prodigal punk on May 25, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

No, because

Boozer, Rose, Thibs, Fisher & Gasol aren’t in the same echelon as our guys.
Dirk is considered, by most people, to be up there. Same with Jason Kidd.
So a championship will push them ahead of Stockton/Malone, because people look at that when comparing hall-of-famers.

Could Rose, at some point, be? Sure. But not yet. I highly doubt Boozer will be.

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by UtesFan89 on May 25, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

+1

i was just about to say the same thing.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on May 25, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I suggest we Rec this point

It answers the question better than I could.

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on May 25, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

ok...

but doesn’t them winning a ring push them towards that point? Besides, the logic behind any star with a ring being greater than any star without one is completely flawed so who cares? Unless it’s just all about message board bravado.

by Odom&Gomorrah on May 25, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

to be clear

i meant bravado on the part of Lakers, Bulls, Heat, et al. fans, not you UtesFan

by Odom&Gomorrah on May 25, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree its flawed

but that’s exactly what seems to be going on right now. (Yeah, maybe its just message board bravado – I’m not quite sure.)

Dirk has had a great career, yes. So a ring pushes him past players considered to be on a similar echelon that haven’t won a ring – which I guess people view Malone on that same level.
Boozer, on the other hand, is not considered to be on that level. So even winning a ring won’t push him there – unless his career EXPLODES (in a good way, for him) from here on out.

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by UtesFan89 on May 25, 2011 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why do you care so much about how those players/owners are compared to each other?

Does it take away the shine from how you remember them? Seriously, you need to get over it. This is why your brother was right, irrational or not.

But thank you for your spot-on reasoning against OKC. I grew up a Sonics fan and I will never let that go. I defaulted becoming a Jazz fan after moving to Utah, but that was difficult switch after despising the team during the Stockton/Malone era. Yeah, you might say this is why I don’t have irrational feelings for how those two will be remembered, but I have Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton. I don’t care where people place them in history, I will always cherish the memories of them electrifying Seattle. I don’t need a history book to validate my love for those players.

by Wilder. on May 25, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Inflicting other franchises

With the same pain Utah had to endure through the nineties doesn’t make John and Karl any better than they already were. Their careers are over and they’re both in the hall now. Their story has been written for better or worse, they are history. I mean history in the best sense possible: they were great enough in their time that they will be remembered far past it.

Rooting against players that are part of a different era based on a perceived threat to their legacies is, well… as your brother put it weak. The thing about Dallas is that I can’t come up with a better reason to root against them than that.

Don’t get me wrong, I would much rather be rooting for the Jazz than any of these teams right now. But of the four, the Mavs are the ones with the least against them in my book (and apparently others). We haven’t gone against them in the playoffs recently, they’re not in our division, they didn’t help gut our team last summer, and their team philosophy is not a threat to small market success. The least bad really is just another way of saying the best.

by 1Jon on May 25, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great post- and great points.

What’s the story behind the Bird and Magic drafts?

by Jeffersap on May 25, 2011 9:41 AM MDT reply actions  

agreed.

I can’t stand Cuban, but he likes to stick it to Stern on a regular basis, so that’s a plus. I loathe Kidd as well. But Carlisle seems like a good guy and Nowitzki, despite his perpetual schooling of the Jazz works his butt off perpetually, gets no superstar treatment, and got absolutely robbed by Miami and said superstar treatment 5 years ago. He’s the least of four evils in my book.

by Odom&Gomorrah on May 25, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

thats a great way to put it.

the least of four evils.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on May 25, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

that’s pretty much what it is.
The “least worst” of the 4.

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by UtesFan89 on May 25, 2011 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

Bulls = bad memories

Mavs = Western Conference enemies…I don’t like Dirk!

Thunder = Another Western Conference enemy….and who wants Maynor to get a ring before us?

Heat = Expected to win. Wouldn’t hurt me at all. Only problem is that is further validates the fact of needing 3-4 superstars to win…thus provoking players to collude and make 5 or 6 super teams. We lose in attractive destinations for a super team. Boo Heat!!

"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.

"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."

by Matt_Grbac on May 25, 2011 10:04 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

My irrational take

Bulls – I don’t want the Bulls to win for one reason : Carlos Boozer

Heat – Agree with all your points

Mavericks – I’m ok with the Mavericks winning because they are so similar to the 1990’s Jazz, and like Fesenko for President said, they can appreciate what they’ve been through to get here.

Thunder – I’m ok with the Mavericks winning because they are so similar to the 2000’s Jazz.

Either way, I love the post, because it has been the exact thought I have had during the playoffs. Who do I hate the least? I don’t really know if that’s better than apathy. I guess I’m too American to not care who wins.

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by Rog. on May 25, 2011 10:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Sidenote

I’m on the side of the fence that says that defining the greatness a player by championships in a team sport is just plain wrong.

Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it.
-Unknown

by Rog. on May 25, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know what you're talking about

the season ended a month ago. Isn’t it all about the draft now? ;)
(Yeah, I’m not rooting for any of the teams.)

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by UtesFan89 on May 25, 2011 10:22 AM MDT reply actions  

I want them all to get the measles

and forfeit.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on May 25, 2011 10:25 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

I feel dirk has been unappreciated over his years

always undervalued, he should always be in the mvp race. I agree with you most hated is bulls and okc. then i go miami (i hate lebron and super friends and what it could mean for a small town team like the jazz) . I hate cuban don’t really like dirk but their window is much smaller than the heat. I could not stand 5 championships for the heat i really can’t their fans are crappy.

Plus stockton will always be a better point guard than kid, kidd isn’t even there best point guard right now. Dirk is more of a hybred pf/c/sf Malone will still be known as the greatest pure pf of all time.

by Evans Almighty on May 25, 2011 10:27 AM MDT reply actions  

How does dirk and kidd winning a title put them over john and karl?

kidd wont surpass johns numbers, unless he plays another 5-6 years or so?

Our guys are cemented in history as true franchise players, kidd has been from team to team, started and finished with the mavs but with phoenix and new jersey in between.

by handlogten on May 25, 2011 10:30 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

I'd like to see Chicago and Dallas in the Finals

I wouldn’t mind seeing Brewer and Korver win a title.

Go Buffalo Bills, Utah Jazz, and Arkansas Razorbacks

by Dyl on May 25, 2011 11:13 AM MDT reply actions  

I hate all 4 teams...

but Dirk and I have the same birthday so there you go. Go Mavericks!

by UtesNSooners on May 25, 2011 11:37 AM MDT reply actions  

I will probably get flamed for this one, but I really hope the Mavs win this year.

I think being a Jazz fan is the reason why. After seeing Malone/Stockton/Sloan fail to win a championship, I sort of hope all truly great players win at least one ring. That’s the reason why I want Dallas to win, because they have a lot of talented players on the down side of their careers that should have a ring.

That being said, I dont think anyone just “deserves” a ring, they must earn it. But I am hoping that Dallas wins it next year, because they wont be getting any better, and the Miami has a number of years to keep improving.

Is this a poor argument? Probably, but that’s just the way I feel.

by TurboJazz224 on May 25, 2011 1:34 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Mavs

Mavs have paid their dues (ie lose Finals after being up 3-1, eliminated by an 8th seed, etc…) and the Heat haven’t. Lebron thinks he should be the anointed one just for being Lebron.

I like Dirk and Jason Kidd. They conduct themselves with a lot more class and grace then the Heat, ie the WWF style announcement that the 3 would be playing together and THE DECISION.

Dirk and Jason Kidd have been humbled while Lebron Wade and Bosh think it’s their right to be the champs.

As a fan I can relate more to the Mavs, minus Mark Cuban, then I can the Heat.

by P_Dizzle on May 25, 2011 1:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Mavs

This is a hard one for me, because I’m from Oklahoma and grew up being (irrationally) taught to hate everything Texan. And just looking at Kidd drives me bonkers, have yet to figure that one out.
As far as Chicago goes, I didn’t follow the Jazz back then so I don’t have that deep hatred of the Bulls that most fans do. I do, however, despise Boozer & wholeheartedly agree with the Prom Queen analogy. My brain is incapable of comprehending why anyone would root for the Chicago Jazz.
Miami: I actually liked LeBron before his ridiculous tv special; I don’t care that he left Cleveland, I care that he handled it in a completely classless way. Now I despise him almost as much as Boozer. But more importantly, it’s not good for the league if they win.
OKC: As I said, I’m from Oklahoma. So picking them for a sort of ‘second’ team to follow when my Jazz weren’t playing was natural. But I’ve found myself pleased when the Mavs do well. I think it’s because they’ve been on the verge for awhile and it’d be nice for them to break through. Especially with the older crew. I don’t think them winning has any effect on our past players or Larry. But that could be because I’ve only been a Jazzgirl since the ‘06-’07 season.

I'm sorry - Did you actually just suggest that there are teams I care about besides the Jazz?

by SurlyMae on May 25, 2011 2:26 PM MDT reply actions  

But...

In the poll I still voted for the last option. Because the season does end for me once the Jazz are done.

I'm sorry - Did you actually just suggest that there are teams I care about besides the Jazz?

by SurlyMae on May 25, 2011 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

agree with surlymae about the bulls

Can’t root for them bc of Boozer. It has nothing to do with the Finals years. John and Karl tried their hardest and gave it their all, and I can’t be bitter about it.

I also can’t root for teams that David Stern spends millions of dollars promoting which leads to preferential officiating. Therefore I can’t support the Heat (and LBJ’s classlessness also plays a factor there) or OKC when neither team has done anything yet.

That leaves the Mavs. I’ve never liked Dirk, but this year I learned to respect what he does and how he carries himself.

Just as a sidenote, SurlyMae’s signature describes my life perfectly.

by moni on May 25, 2011 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah . . . the OKC promoting thing

totally out of the blue i know . . . but i thought it was strange that i could win a ‘trophy’ playing NBA2K11 by playing Durrant on the Thunder and scoring a career high with him? WTF?

yojimbo is jazzed

by jazzed on May 25, 2011 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I try to look at the fan bases

Miami just got two more superstars, and they won it like 5 years ago….and their fans still do not show up on time to games….the fans do not deserve it

Chicago had jordan and got six titles….they do not deserve another one, atleast not yet

OKC has had a team for 3 years, and though they seem super passionate about their team, i would be infuriated if they got to celebrate a title in their second appearance in the playoffs. More heart ache is required

Dallas has been to the finals and got hosed. They have had 50 wins for over a decade, but never a title. I think those fans have paid their due and deserve to celebrate….much like we have. So Go Mavs, your fans deserve it.

by iheartjazz on May 25, 2011 4:41 PM MDT reply actions  

"These kids don’t poop rainbows."

To date: SLCDunk line of the year.

And where can I watch Sonicsgate?

yojimbo is jazzed

by jazzed on May 25, 2011 10:17 PM MDT reply actions  

wow . . .

I officially can’t stand OKC. And I am more apt to believe Stern conspiracy theories now more than ever.

Go Dallas!

yojimbo is jazzed

by jazzed on May 25, 2011 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've already made my opinion clear above

the Jazz season = NBA season for me.
I will not be watching the NBA Finals at all.
Still, if I had to pick a team out of the 4, it would be Dallas, no questions asked – for all the reasons mentioned by others here.

I wish it would all just end now though.
Forfeit seems like a nice option.

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by UtesFan89 on May 25, 2011 10:38 PM MDT reply actions  

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