The Timberwolves, Not The Jazz, Control The Fate Of The Lottery Teams - The Downbeat -#497
Tom Ziller of SBN released his latest mock draft where the Jazz send ripples throughout the lottery,
3. Utah Jazz: Enes Kanter, C, Turkey
Ah, the keystone pick. If the Jazz go point guard with Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker, the teams from No. 5-7 will have difficult decisions to make on remaining guards and wings and the plethora of big men available. But O'Connor is an avowed acolyte of the "best player available" strategy. Though the Jazz have three solid power forwards -- Al Jefferson (who masquerades as a center), Paul Millsap and promising if raw Derrick Favors -- Kanter currently looks like the most impressive player on the board. Luckily, Kanter measures out as a likely center; imagine he and Favors holding down the frontcourt with Millsap off the bench and Jefferson starring for the Charlotte Bobcats. Beautiful days ahead.
I think he underestimates the Kahn. That's really where things hinge. They could keep the pick and take Kanter and play him as their center. They could keep the pick and draft Derrick Williams even though they have Love and Beasley. If they trade the pick, then then it's likely for Williams.
A lot of other mocks still have the Jazz taking Brandon Knight who conveniently falls to Ziller's Kings at #7 addressing one of their biggest needs.
Is it wrong to glee a little bit in what's going on in Portland right now? The team just fired their general manager, again, just before the draft. Rich Cho was let go after a reported conflict in chemistry with owner Paul Allen. However, there was an ominous article two days prior from John Canzano in the Oregonian where Cho wanted to suspend Brandon Roy during the playoffs because of insubordination,
The well-placed source said Cho was talked off his initial position by McMillan and owner Paul Allen, who were in agreement that a suspension was neither warranted, nor a welcome distraction for a team down 0-2 to the Mavericks.
Being outranked by Allen is one thing. But the larger issue is whether the need for Allen to step in, and Roy’s subsequent performance, spells trouble for Cho in the big bossman’s eyes moving forward.
That's eerily similar to what allegedly went down with Sloan's sudden retirement.
So now the Blazers head into an off-season with no GM to lead over the draft. Remember last year that then-fired GM Kevin Pritchard stuck around for the draft. There haven't been any indications that Cho would do the same. They also have a decision to make on Greg Oden.
Who's the next to be (f/h)ired?
While Derrick Williams wants to be a three in the league, Chad Ford says that he measures out as a four (insider),
"NBA scouts have been wondering for months whether Williams was big enough to play the 4 in the NBA and have been trying to project him as an NBA 3. Williams' measurements strongly helped his cause as an NBA power forward. He measured nearly 6-foot-9, with an impressive 7-1 wingspan and 9-foot standing reach. Those wingspan and standing-reach measurements (the two measurements NBA teams really care about) put him on par with Greg Monroe and Ed Davis. He's actually taller and longer than both Blake Griffin and Kevin Love, two NBA All-Star power forwards. While Williams may be trying to sell himself as a 3, the truth is he's more valuable to most NBA teams as a 4 who can also stretch the floor and take his man off the dribble."
If the Jazz were to land him, they would almost have to use him as a three. We have two players in Millsap and Favors that play the four. If you believe that Favors should be starting and that Millsap should be coming off the bench, then there's certainly no room there.
Would you want to move Favors to the five and then play Millsap/Williams at the four? If you do that, then Jefferson is the odd man out. Someone is going to get moved based on this pick.
Just by virtue of Phil Jackson leaving the Lakers, the world was going to be a better place. Now word is that Mike Brown is going to become the head coach of said team. From Yahoo!
Although the move has yet to be finalized, it sounds like the Los Angeles Lakers and owner Jerry Buss have decided to go with former-Cleveland Cavaliers' coach Mike Brown as their replacement for Phil Jackson. Brown, the cheapest of the three finalists, should be signing a contract with the Lakers within the next day or so.
If you're a Laker fan, you're hoping that they're not basing this decision mainly on pay. They just got done paying Jackson $12M a year so anything would be a step down from that. The team has more money that they know what to do with so skimping on a coach seems odd.
Brown was often criticized for his lack of offensive coaching while he was over LeBron and the Cavs. It seemed to be a clear out everyone and let LeBron go to work style. He'll have more talent overall with the Lakers than he had with the Cavs. It will be interesting to see how he can control that team in that city under a lot more pressure.
The other question will be where does Brian Shaw end up? He was one of the finalists for the head coaching job.
We'll see if Brown can turn the Lakers around after their dismal finish to end the season and sweep at the hand of the Mavs.
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Re: Kahn, fair point
I do think he’s more likely to trade it or take Williams than take Kanter. And if he trades it, it’s gotta be Williams.
But he could throw a wrench that’d make O’Connor’s choice at No. 3 a whole lot easier.
I don't think it's likely either that Williams will be there at three
It’s more likely someone else take Williams though in a trade. If the Wolves keep the pick, it ups the chances that Kanter gets taken.
by Basketball John on May 25, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Somehow Kahn is going to get fleeced in a trade here and Williams will go #2.
It will be something like Monta Ellis for the #2. And yes, I think that would be a fleecing.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on May 25, 2011 10:57 AM MDT reply actions
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If Williams is a 4
We should only take him if we trade. Williams at the 4 with Favors at the 5 as our future would leave us terribly undersized, which has been a long-time problem for the Jazz already.
if williams is taller and longer than k love and griffin
he is not undersized and almost as athletic as griffin.
by Evans Almighty on May 25, 2011 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions
“imagine he and Favors holding down the frontcourt with Millsap off the bench and Jefferson starring for the Charlotte Bobcats. Beautiful days ahead.”
PFFFFT, get outta here with that crap
If Washington is really high on Kanter, why not draft him 3rd and then trade him there
For their #5 and their #18?
Brandon Knight would very likely be available then at 5 (assuming Cleveland takes Irving 1 then a big 4) Like CHad Ford said in today’s chat, there is a lot of good talent in the middle of the draft. Having the 12 and 18 would put us in a position to get a combo of someone like Singleton/Burks/ + someone like Faried/ Motiejunas/Vucevic
I dunno. I think it makes sense for both clubs if the Wizards really want Kanter
by Jeffersap on May 25, 2011 12:28 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
They probably want to get rid of players rather than their 2 draft picks
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Why are the Wizards going to give up
2 first rounders for Kanter? I could see us getting the 5th and something but not both picks. that’d be highway robbery for the jazz.
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This is the type of trade that happens all of the time in the NBA lottery. If you want the Jazz to trade down, this is a realistic scenario.
At this point, I really couldn’t fault the Jazz for trading down and getting two later picks. I would even consider the 3rd for capspace to the Rockets and their 13th and 21st. They want Kanter as well.
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By all of the time, I mean probably once every two years. But look what the Jazz gave up to draft Deron at 3. A 5th and a 13th, I think?
The Jazz knew it was worth it, because they didn’t want anyone at 5 and 13, but if they make a trade like this, it will mean that they don’t care that much for Knight or Kanter and like other guys further down the board just as much.
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Nevermind. The Jazz traded the 6th pick, the 27th pick for 2005 and a 2006 first round pick for the 3rd.
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So that essentially ended up being a #6 and 2 second rounders, right?
#6, #27, and #30. Turned out to be Martell Webster, Linas Kleiza, and Joel Freeland.
Absolute steal. I just don’t see the same kind of hype around a player being a franchise player at the #3 as the year Deron came out. Plus, the #18 seems to me to be much more valuable than a #27 and #30.
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must mess up how I feel about the NBA draft. If that’s a realistic trade then I totally wouldn’t mind it. I just felt like the Jazz were getting too much.
I would love to trade back to get the 5th and 18th and have 3 first rounders.
Biyombo at 5, Jackson at 12, K. Thompson or Singleton at 18
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I don't think it's realistic
The 18th pick is too high in the first round to move up 2 spots. If it were 25+, I would think it’d be more realistic.
That said, GMs do funny things when they absolutely love a player.
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Wizards have the 6th pick
If Knight is who the Jazz covet, then they would have to worry about Toronto possibly taking him at 5, therefore they may be afraid to do this deal. Unless they know something we don’t know, and are sure Toronto won’t take Knight. Either way, I like this deal.
It would especially be a great deal if they’re specifically high on other players. Pick a guy like Leonard or Vesely at 5, and find the PG at 12 or 18. Jimmer would definitely be in play, and while I’m not high on Reggie Jackson, taking him at 18 wouldn’t hurt.
Plenty of guys in that range around 12 & 18
Jimmer, maybe Kemba, Reggie Jackson, Marshon Brooks
If Faried could be drafted at 18, that would be a STEAL.
If they could trade the 18 for a couple of 2nd rounders, there are some potential value guys there too: JaJuan Johnson, Goudelock, Shelvin Mack, Cory Joseph, Keith Benson
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Faried is a top 10 talent for sure
I’m still perplexed as to why he’s projected so low.
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Totally agree. I actually had to think about this one for a while..
by TurboJazz224 on May 25, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey!
That Derrick Favors poll was well-intentioned!
by Basketball John on May 25, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
The more I think
The more I want Kanter.
I just don’t wanna pass on a guy who can hold down the paint like he can. He will more than likely average double doubles on a yearly basis. He is not the prototypical shot blocking defensive Center but he can play decent enough defense.
I see him putting up Dwight Howard numbers without the blocks. I will take that!
Brandon Knight is great and will be a very good PG but my only worry is his size. I don’t know if he can hold up in the NBA. A PG like DWill would man handle him.
Derrick Williams would be a super pick! He is a hybrid SF/PF. He is very much like Carmelo Anthony. He can back you down in the post or pull up a jumper in your face. I see him as a very good scorer in the NBA.
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by Matt_Grbac on May 25, 2011 1:22 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
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"Nobody scares us," Dion Gales said. "Where I’m from, it ain’t how big or small a man is, it’s the size of the fight in them.
"I’ll be doggone if I let another man beat me, that’s just my attitude. I’m not scared of another man."
by Matt_Grbac on May 25, 2011 1:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
If we can't get DWill
I will be so bummed if we don’t take Kanter. The guy is a VERY good re bounder to boot. a very, very good rebounder. soft touch. shoots free throws well. in great shape. and he is friggin 19.
there is just WAY to much upside with the kid, unless the brass finds something really weird in interviews and the likes.
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Seems to indicate that the Lakers’ decision was “basked” on pay. (Sorry!) So the Lakers have officially signed on for (at least) four consecutive years of mediocrity just to save a few bucks. Awesome!
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by Dr. Dunkenstein on May 25, 2011 2:44 PM MDT reply actions
Man, my self-editing was terrible yesterday
Basking, leaving out the R in Timberwolves in the title
by Basketball John on May 26, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Playoffs
If these playoffs hve taught us something i think it is Superstar point guards don’t win rings. Its athletic multitalented 2-3s that win rings.
Or centers that play like small forwards...
by TurboJazz224 on May 25, 2011 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions
And power forwards who play like point guards
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Its slowly going that way
More teams are going for PG’s and building their team around them
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I think that has more to do with the players available. This is the only reason I was ok with the trade. We were never going to win with him as our best player. I think a good affordable point with a all star 3 and 4 is more valuable and has a better chance than an Allstar point as the best player.
Look at last years draft
Favors, Monroe, Cousins all went after john Wall. Teams now are not looking for a big man because it’s so hard to project how they will turn out in the NBA. You get a PG with talents like Rose, Deron, CP3, and Wall you dont pass on that.
As far as never going to win with Deron is absurd. I truly believe that if Memo had not been hurt in our last playoff series we could of hung with the Lakers. Deron literally put the team on his back and played some of the best basketball of his career
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Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
don’t get me wrong I loved DWILL. I think he’s an amazing player I just don’t think you can win Championship with a point guard as your best player.
I agree, but more with perceptions than actual "best player"
To me, the most successful point guard won’t likely be the clutch guy at the end of the game most of the time, and he won’t look like he’s controlling or really even influencing the game. He’ll be making everyone around him look incredible while he himself just looks like a role player.
Does that make him not the best player? Probably not, but people would probably see the “dominant” center who happens to get great feeds and the athletic 2 or 3 who gets monster dunks and think that they’re better players.
The problem with D Will was that he was our best player and everyone knew it. He didn’t make Big Al look like an All-Star and he was doing more complaining about the lack of talent around him than he was helping them be better than they’d be individually. Was he right that the Jazz didn’t have enough talent to win a championship? Probably. But he could have done more to make the team better than they were, IMHO, and I thought he definitely started doing that for the Nets when he got traded.
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So
Did Stockton make Malone great or did Malone make Stockton great? The casual fan would have not seen Stock as great in the early 90’s he wasn’t flashy or score a bunch of points most nights. He gave the ball up to guy(s) that would finish and he made them better.
My point is that they're both great
But most people who were watching likely thought that Malone was the better (or more important, more deserving of higher salary, etc) player. If that weren’t the case, the team probably wouldn’t have been as functional as it was.
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