Predraft Workouts: Sunday, May 29th 2011
You may have read that we’re working out six players tomorrow. As you can imagine the Jazz, with two lotto picks (one as high as #3), they would be bringing in some of the better players to fight it out. We can assume that the #3 pick is going to end up getting a chance to even start next year if he plays hard enough. So, it only makes sense that for our first work out this off-season the Jazz are bringing in two point guards (Norris Cole and Shelvin Mack), and four bigs (JaJaun Johnson, Markieff Morris, Dallas Lauderdale, and Jeremy Tyler). Brian T. Smith suggests that out of this lot only Morris could be a lotto pick.
Here's a quick look at their cumulative college statistics. In the case of Jeremy, they are his rookie season professional stats from his team play in Japan.
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Chicago pre-draft camp measurements, results, and half-hearted analysis after the jump …
Chicago Pre-Draft Camp 2011
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The Jazz usually like to evaluate a bunch of similar players against each other. We’ve seen this type before when the Jazz brought in a bunch of bigmen and only two nominal guards to help them out with post entry passes and ball movement. I honestly don’t see the Jazz taking a serious look at Norris Cole or Shelvin Mack. The Jazz will get a chance to look at them though, but their focus would be on the four bigmen they are bringing in. It could be that Dallas, JaJuan and Jeremy all rank similarly to Markieff (whom the Jazz could take at #12, but probably will not as that would be a super reach). By bringing in Markieff and these three other dudes the Jazz may be sneakily actually evaluating talent not for the NBA draft (directly), but instead looking at these three other guys for potential training camp invites.
Maybe I’m wrong about this, but some of these guys don’t even look like they are locks for the second round (we don’t even have a second round pick this year). One of these guys didn’t even attend the Chicago Predraft camp. Dallas Lauderdale did not go, but looking at his Mark Eatonian 4.2 points per game (cumulative college result) offensive supremacy I think this guy may be surprised to even be asked to continue playing basketball at this stage. We do know that he does have the second best standing reach though.
I assume that this is going to be a big heavy workout. And I don’t really think any of these guys are being scouted for either of our lottery picks.
Dallas Lauderdale
He’s the shortest of all of the bigs, but he actually has the longest wingspan and second best standing reach. He’s Paul Millsap like in that regard. Paul was only 6’7.25 but had a standing reach of near 9’ and a wingspan above 7’ as well. Unlike Millsap this guy did not lead the NCAA in rebounding three years in a row. This guy averaged as many rebounds per game as the two point guards we’re bringing in to pass the bigs the ball. I don’t know anything about this dude, but I’m sure he’s a really nice guy. Character counts with our organization.
JaJuan Johnson
This guy is a legit 6’10 big with a 38" vertical and a max reach of 12’1.5 – which is exactly the reach of Derrick Favors. He appears to be an athlete, his lane agility was tops out of the bigs and 2nd best out of all of the guys coming in (yes, he’s more agile than one of the point guards). He was actually faster in the sprint than everyone, including both point guards. More impressive than that is that he just lit the nets on fire during the Chicago Camp shooting drills. His cumulative three point % (C.Three %) was 70.0%, and took care of business from inside the NCAA or HS three point line as well. His college stats show that he’s a big who can also make a free throw or two. More impressive than his 14/6 cumulative college averages are the point that he blocked 1.9 shots a game over his 140 game college career. I like this kid. I’d love this kid if we didn’t already have 5 guys ahead of him on the depth chart.
Jeremy Tyler
This kid pulled a Brandon Jennings by going from an American High School to playing professionally outside of the US instead of going to college. That’s a question mark I’d think, and I’m sure the Jazz will grill him about that during the interview. He played for the Tokyo Apache and played only 15.4 mpg. His stats in the first chart reflect his rookie season. The same size (only 33 games) is smaller than the other guys, but one year of professional basketball isn’t four years of college. And vice versa. He had a shaky shot at the Chicago camp, but is also another member of the 12’ Max Reach club. As a guy 12 months removed from High School it’s not surprise that he was last out of this group in bench press reps.
Markieff Morris
This guy projects to be a Top 15 pick in the draft. His college stats shows that he’s a very solid shooter (55%) and hustle guy. He doesn’t have a very high upside but he didn’t ‘kill it’ in college. I’d rather play Jeremy Evans over him if we happened to draft this guy or whatever. Morris shot horribly in Chicago. He was below average (obviously) and his one saving grace was off the bounce jumpers from 15 to 18 feet. With the slew of guys we already have who work in ‘da paynt’ he’s either going to be moving into a crowded neighborhood or being pushed outside of his capability. What seals it for me is that he went 9/25 from HS three range. It was second worst out of all the guys who were limited to shooting from there. I’m not 6’11, but I can at least make more than 9 HS three pointers when I spot up (well, I could back when I was in college).
Norris Cole and Shelvin Mack
Shelvin Mack went to Butler with our too big, yo, lotto pick from last season: Gordon Hayward. He has a 6’8 wingspan and rocked the bench press for 17 reps. His shooting was kind of shaky at the draft camp. He was very solid in college, his career averages are 14/4/3 but his over-all FG% was in Kenny Anderson territory.
Norris Cole had a similar career in college, going 14/3/3 but was slightly better on defense and a more disciplined shooter. Which was on display in Chicago as he made 2 out of every 3 shot there. He is otherwise unremarkable which further solidifies my opinion that the Jazz are not seriously looking at Cole or Mack – and this is a big workout more than anything else.
Opinion on these six guys:
I have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to figure out how to define this as a ‘non-waste’ of a workout. None of these guys help us get better next year. None of these guys project to be even available where we pick. If we had 2nd round picks it would make more sense. These guys have to be training camp fodder. I’d rather draft Kosta Koufos again than draft any of these six guys.
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Agreed on JaJuan
as for the guards, I wouldn’t count them out really.
Both are capable guards, and while it would probably be a huge reach at 12, both are late 1st to mid/late 2nd guys. If the Jazz end up trading down, or getting a 2nd round pick, they could be looked at.
Cole, especially last season, carried his team offensively (I think he had like 19 20+ point performance, including one of 41 and one of 35), but was also able to find his teammates (a couple of double-digit assist games, and 9 assists the game he had 41 points).
Mack was on a better team (well, Cleveland State actually tied with Butler in conference and had a better overall record, but Butler beat CSU 3 times this past season, and had arguably better talent around Mack) with a scorer (Matt Howard) so he wasn’t asked to do as much. His scoring, assists, rebounds and steals are all lower than Cole’s for this last season.
Are they likely picks? No. But if somehow the Jazz end up with a 2nd rounder, they could be worth a long look (especially depending on what happens at 3 & 12)
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I would take JaJaun Johnson over Koof.
Looking at the PG’s as undrafted.
Markieff goes in first round. Tyler could sneak in late 1st with measurements. Johnson goes mid to late 1st. Dallas serves refeshments at a draft party, that’s as close as he gets.
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by Matt_Grbac on May 28, 2011 9:54 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Management Games
This sounds like a few things to me.
1. We are bluffing other teams into thinking we will trade for later picks which we might.
2. Always looking for the diamond in the rough. You never know if one of these will be left after the draft or if they are really good and just didn’t show it in college.
3. What a nice way to boost a guys morale than inviting him for workouts when we only have lotto picks.
4. Nice gesture to Gordo for us to look at Mack.
Draft field is not looking good
Best thing for the Jazz to do is trade those picks for a veteran—preferably a SG—that can help the team right now as the draft pool is rather shallow.
by Jeffrey Thompson on May 28, 2011 12:33 PM MDT reply actions
Yes, let's trade those lottery picks for a veteran.
Especially when the front office is committed to rebuilding and going young. Great idea!
This draft class might not produce many franchise players, but that doesn’t mean there are not any valuable role players. It’s probably better this way. Get these young players developed and then draft/sign/trade for those franchise players who will make the team a contender.
Markieff Morris
according to Aldridge from nba.com he could go even higher than #12. i think he projects him at #6 or something. So maybe this workout isnt entirely a waste of time for the Jazz.
if averages of 9 and 6 make you a (potential) #6 pick
then i shouldn’t have spent so much time in the library back in college.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on May 28, 2011 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions
well, player evaluation
is not something you could learn in a library in college. Then again, his averages arent really outstanding but I dont think Hayward’s were either. (I’m not sure though). One more thing, I’m not saying you are wrong and Aldridge is right. But, Im a big hockey fan, and sometimes I’ve noticed that in the NHL draft guys get drafted pretty high in spite of not averaging any great numbers. Especially those who play abroad. Ovechkin, I remember, had very ordinary points\goals in the Russian championship as an 18 year-old. It is not always the stats that determine a player’s value. Yes, they are an easy way to kind of sort the prospects out and evaluate them on-the-fly. But its not necessarily accurate. Thats all I’m saying. Maybe some guys see something in this Morris guy beyond his stats. (I havent watched him at all, so I am not in any way backing him up or anything)
I think as Jaz fans we need to be a bit rational
Trading for Igoudala or Granger would have made sense when Deron was around, but not now. This team was the 5th worst in the league (record-wise) over the second hal of the season. What does trading your draft picks for one of those guys get you? Another star that isn’t great, but pretty good? Don’t we have a few of those already? What’s are ceiling with those guys? a sixth seed? We still wouldn’t have a closer. I for one am not interested in being the Denver Nuggets 2.0. I want to get to the top, and, with this team, that is going to be through the draft. Kevin has a heavy weight on his shoulders, but I don’t think it is in our best interest to move down in the draft so that we can score a couple of more role players. He needs to hit a home-run with this pick…that is the only way he can validate the Williams trade. This team needs to figure out who the best player for our organization is, and then do what it takes to get them in Utah. We need leadership, not a better supporting cast.
I agree completely
role players are way easier to find, in free agency, in the second round of the draft. but legitimate stars, or even not so much all-stars but poised, confident closers are the difference between good and great teams in the playoffs. Our pick #3 is the perfect place to grab one without giving up anything else (if we trade for Granger, Iggy or someone else we would have to package a few assets to get the deal done) But the problem is, everybody is sayin that this is a weak draft. At first I wasnt buying into any of it but, I dont know, months of hearing it, I guess, kind of made me think it could be a very weak draft as well. I hope I am wrong because we need this number 3 pick to work out and we need it big time. Now is the time to get a great player, who knows when we will pick that high again? (Though if we suck real bad we might pick this high once more pretty soon)
Favors
IS WHAT VALIDATES THIS TRADE.
These draft picks we got coming in is secondary to Favors. If Favors becomes a BEAST this whole trade was worth it.
I don’t think any if these picks can have an impact like Favors can
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by EcERyda69 on May 29, 2011 10:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Sleeper
12 is too high but anyone 15 or lower should take a long look at Jeremy Tyler. If he has figured things out could be one of few in this draft starting potential. Huge risk = huge reward. Worked and played for NBA coach Bob Hill who knows what it takes to make it.
by jusorenson on May 28, 2011 8:17 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Jeremy Evans is going to be the bees knees
Really put a couple of pounds on him and he will be amazing and I agree avoid the morris twins at all costs
What a waste
I don’t get why they would bring these guuys in. Yawn.
Good writeups as always though.
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by jazzed on May 29, 2011 11:37 PM MDT via mobile reply actions

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