While I couldn't sleep last night
by jzzfanj on Jun 18, 2011 11:02 AM MDT
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I'm sure that there are a lot of you out there like me. If for some reason I can't sleep at night my mind goes into Jazz GM mode. So here is a little bit of my wonderful inspiration on some trades that I had last night. Let me know what you think.
Trade 1: #3 pick, CJ Miles, Mehmet Okur to Philidelphia for Andre Iguodala
Why we do it: To get Andre freakin Iguodala, duh. And fill our biggest need in the starting lineup. (as a side note if Jeremy Evans goes on Andre's weight lifting program and works on his shot with Hayward he would be the best player in the NBA, Can you imagine Evans with Iguodala's biceps (I wish I was good at photoshop) scary potential)
From this
To this
Why Philly does it: 1.They have been trying to move A.I. For a while to free up playing time for their plethora of young wings. 2. With the #3 pick they can select the center they need, Enes Kanter. 3. Free up cap space down the road. 4. CJ would help them keep depth at the wing and provide a solid veteran presence for the kiddos 4. Okur would be another veteran on a young team and they have a built in Turkish translator for Kanter, (which also would speed up Kanter's transition to the NBA and he would be able to play with his favorite player growing up).
Trade 2: Devin Harris and Raja Bell to Toronto for the #5 pick
Why Toronto does this: 1. They need a point guard and Harris will fit good with DeRozen 2. They aren't in love with any of the players in this draft, the players they want will be gone in the first 4 picks.
Why we do it: I know people might think I am crazy but I think we have to move up this high to get Jimmer. If we don't I think Sacramento takes him at 7.
Trade 3: Paul Milsap to Indiana for pick #15
Why Indy does this: They also want Jimmer but there is no way he falls that low so they go for the value and need that Millsap would fill for them.
Why we do it: 1. Get another first round pick. 2. Free up a spot in the starting lineup for Derrick Favors 3. Free up cap space
Trade 4: Pick #12 and #15 to Washington for Picks #6 and #34
Why the Wiz do it: They want Vesley or Kanter and every other player would be a reach here so they pick up extra depth with the 2 first rounders.
Why we do it: 1. We don't need 13 small forwards (The only group of players that have good value in the 12-17 range) 2. So we can draft Jonas Valanciunas (who I love and can develop for a couple of seasons behind Big Al. 3. The second rounder gives me an excuse to watch more of the draft and we are the best team at striking gold in the second round.
Mock Draft:
1. Cavs - Irving 2. Minn - Williams 3. Philly - Kanter 4. Cavs - Vesely 5. Jazz - Jimmer 6. Jazz - Valanciunas 7. Kings - Knight 8. Pistons - Walker 9. Bobacts - Burks 10. Bucks - Montejunas ... after that it doesn't matter. With our second rounder we can take Jeremy Tyler or Nikola Mirotic and stash them in the D- League for a season, or maybe Malcom Lee, Josh Selby or Nolan Smith to be our backup SG.
Our Lineup:
PG: Jimmer, (bring back Watson and/or Price)
SG: Hayward, (FA or rookie)
SF: Iguodala, Evans
PF: Favors, (Kirilenko? or other FA (Reggie Evans, Elson))
C: Jefferson, Valanciunas, (Fesenko?)
We won't win the Championship next year but that is a pretty dang good starting 5, add some more depth through the draft next year and we are well on our way.
I don't think this is too far out there, let me know what you think
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Millsap is worth way more than the 15th pick
by Evans Almighty on Jun 18, 2011 12:07 PM MDT reply actions
No
Trade 1 – I’ve no interest in Iguodala for this team. High priced, long term. Not for this team.
Trade 2- This one is more tempting….I’d still hesitate though
Trade 3- Huge undervalue of Millsap
Trade 4- Wizards wouldn’t do this. Maybe they’d trade just the 6th for the 12th and 15th. Maybe. But also their 34th? Eh. It’s too much.
Giving up the 6 & 34 for a 12 and 15 would be pretty crazy in most drafts
In this draft, it’s not unfathomable, but it’s still very unlikely.
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You'd have to be stupid not to take #2 from a Jazz perspective
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Although I do like the trade
Not sure if Toronto does it, but I like it. I just wouldn’t do it just to take Jimmer. There are other options I would prefer, like Vesely, Leonard, Burks, or even Biyombo. And obviously Knight if he’s still on the board and we go a different route at 3.
What about trade rumors with Indiana?
The first possible trade you mentioned is interesting. However, I would tweak it a bit, namely, having the Jazz offer the #3 pick, Okur and Bell for the #16 pick and Iguodala. The Jazz could then use the #12 pick to draft a point guard and a PF/Center prospect, perhaps Jimmer Fredette or Reggie Jackson at PG, and Bismack Biyombo, Donatas Motiejunas, Nikola Vucevic or Jeremy Tyler at PF/Center.
Another trade I read mention of on the web is a trade in which the Jazz trade Al Jefferson to Indiana for Danny Granger and Dahntay Jones. The Jazz could then draft Kanter or Valanciunas with their #3 pick to replace Jefferson, and would still have their #12 pick to take a point guard—perhaps Jimmer Fredette or Reggie Jackson.
by Fesenko for President on Jun 18, 2011 9:37 PM MDT reply actions
Oops—I meant to say the #12 pick and the #16 pick to draft a point guard and a PF/Center.
by Fesenko for President on Jun 18, 2011 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Really?
#1. I don’t particularly want AI for this team, I feel like Hayward will be AI with better offense and a little bit worse defense. I really think that he would hamper Haywards development. Off that team I’d rather trade for Thad Young, Jrue Holiday, or Lou Williams, in that order. Can you imagine this starting 5? Hayward would handle the ball, natch
PG: Lou Williams
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Thad Young
PF: Derrick Favors
C: Al Jefferson
#2. I see no reason why Toronto does this as is, I think we’d have to take back Calderon, and probably give up the #12 and I still think it’s a stretch. With the 5 I’d take Leonard or Biyombo.
#3. I think that Millsap and Hansbrough have really similar games and I don’t see Millsap being a long term upgrade for them. I would be happy to to take Psycho T back in that trade, but that doesn’t really help our log jam at all. I’ve got another Pacers Trade that I’ll post someday.
#4. I like the idea of having the 5th and the 6th Picks, I would grab both Leonard and Biyombo then, kinda makes me drool.
How has no one realized that this plan has Jimmer as the starting PG in his rookie year?
Are you serious?
AI is a great fit
AI would be awesome here in Utah. The big problem is what we are willing to give up for him. I think giving up the #3 and CJ and Okur is a lot. Maybe those two guys and the 12th pick our future picks and cash. But not the three. The main reason is because there is a still a chance we can get derrick williams at three. Do we want AI 2 or do we want Dwill 2?
The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self-improvement, about being better than you were the day before. -Steve Young
even better would be this: Utah gives the #3, Okur, and miles to Sacramento, Utah gets: #7 pick and tyreke evans
The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self-improvement, about being better than you were the day before. -Steve Young
Ugh. I don't like Tyreke Evans.
Plus, Sacto would never go for this. Plus, the Jazz should keep Okur’s expiring.
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I like the idea of it
A Hayward-Tyreke Evans Backcourt has tons of size and potential.
The only thing it is missing
is a point guard.
by davidthecomposer on Jun 21, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah... so?
In name maybe, but what do you want your point guard to do? handle the ball and distribute? Gordo could do that. Slash? Evans can do that. Defend? They both have the size and quickness to guard most any guard.
In that scenario we use the 7 on Leonard, a defensive rebounding wing. At #12 we trade with Indi for #15 (Brandon Rush for CJ?) and pick up Reggie Jackson to guard the speedier points, and run the offense when Hayward is on the bench.
PG: Evans, Jackson, Watson
SG: Hayward, Rush, Bell
SF: Leonard, Evans
PF: Favors, Millsap
C: Jefferson, Fesenko
This is all pretty moot, considering that Sac-town would never make that trade. But you have got to like that lineup don’t you?
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