Down The Stretch We Come - The Downbeat - #514
It seems like we've been talking about this draft forever and then some. Even then, we still have three days until draft night. If you're sick of it now, just remember that in a few weeks, you'll be craving for it fortnightly.
We will get some closure this week though. After all of the speculation and rumors, we'll know who will be a Jazz man, Jimmer's fate, and who may be leaving the team. So consume as much of this as you can to prepare yourself for the NBA drought that's coming up
2011 NBA draft: Teams targeting Jimmer Fredette with potential trades - ESPN - Insider
But the draft exodus may go even further into the first round. Sources say that the Charlotte Bobcats (9), Milwaukee Bucks (10) and Golden State Warriors (11) are also open to moving their pick. In this case the interest is all pretty specific. The Knicks, and a handful of other teams, are trying to get ahead of the Jazz. The target? BYU's Jimmer Fredette.The Cavs have Brandon Knight and Enes Kanter in on Monday. If Knight wows, could it persuade Cleveland to draft Derrick Williams No. 1 and Knight at No. 4. On the flip side, if Kanter wows, could the Cavs feel better about taking Kyrie Irving No. 1? The Utah Jazz had Jordan Hamilton, Chris Singleton, Marcus Morris, Tobias Harris and Tyler Honeycutt in on Sunday and have Alec Burks and Klay Thompson in on Monday. This workout is for the 12th pick in the draft. The team has a need at the wing and virtually anyone of these players could be the pick here. We've had Singleton here for weeks as the pick and still think he's the favorite if the Jazz go with a guard at the No. 3 pick. Singleton's defensive abilities make him an ideal replacement for Andrei Kirilenko.
2011 NBA draft: How Draft Rater ranks the prospects - ESPN - (Insider)
Fortunately, I've seen all three at the Hoop Summit the past two seasons. Biyombo has scouts worried because he can't shoot at all, but he's a dominating defensive force in the paint; at the absolute worst he's going to be better than Ekpe Udoh. I slotted him 11th on my board, behind all the players the Draft Rater is really gung-ho about. He's going to be a rotation player based on defense and rebounding alone; the question is if he can finish enough plays at the basket to start. Kanter is sort of the anti-Biyombo; He's not much of an athlete and will be suspect at the defensive end, but has such a high skill level offensively that he's going to score relatively easily. A good comparable might be fellow Turk Mehmet Okur, except Kanter is probably more skilled with the ball.2011 NBA Mock Draft: It's Draft Week, And We've Reached Panic Mode - SBNation.com
Our final 2011 NBA Mock Draft before the actual NBA Draft going down on Thursday night.Top 10 NBA Draft Busts
The 2011 NBA Draft is upon us. In it’s honor we teamed up with Milton Un to create The NBA Top Ten Draft Busts infographic. Milton put together the amazing...Basketball Prospectus | The Clipboard: Fredette vs. Redick
One of the biggest difference between Redick and Fredette is the way that they were used. Both in college and in the pros, Redick has always been a guy working off of the basketball. Fredette was a ballhandler who used a lot of possessions and created his own offense as much as the offense created for him, if not more. While Fredette is going to handle the ball in the pros, if he can adjust to that Redick role, working off of screens off the ball, spotting up and knocking down jumpers, teams will find playing time for him if he can play at least a little bit of defense
While the NBA D-League will go on despite a lockout in the NBA, the Utah Flash will not. The Daily Herald reported over the weekend that the Flash are going on hiatus citing financial difficulties as the primary reason,
According to the team source, the Flash lost nearly three million dollars since they began operations. The Flash were on track to break even last year but didn't collect money from a major sponsor and ended up losing about $200,000.
The team is now up for sale for a cool $2.5M. There's roughly that many people along the Wasatch Front. Maybe we can get everyone to put in $1 for every person in their family and purchase the team?
Of course the biggest obstacle wouldn't be buying the team, it would be to keep the team running and funding day to day operations. As it was mentioned in the article, the D-League model isn't exactly conducive to making money.
According to Ridiculous Upside, the Flash were run by a very competent management team and ranked second in the league in attendance. If you're not able to stay in the game that way, how exactly will future owners make it work? One possible way would be for an NBA team to buy them as others have done. The Jazz didn't want to do that though.
Good luck to the Flash or whatever the future incarnation looks like.
I don't know if there's anyone who isn't a Jeremy Evans fan. He's an interesting player in that I don't think anyone has any ridiculous projections for him yet they don't see him as overrated either. He's properly rated I would say.
In addition to improving his basketball skills, the biggest thing everyone has stated is that he needs to put on some weight. He's doing just that according to Brian T. Smith,
Evans
Adding muscle weight: That's always good to hear. I'm looking a little bigger and hopefully a little stronger. Just continue to work this offseason. Hopefully get a little bigger.Corbin on Evans adding muscle weight: The offseason is star[t]ing to show now. He's a pretty serious kid about getting better.
The Jazz players that have worked out at P3 have come back with more muscle bulk and better conditioned. It will be interesting to see Evans in person after this summer and compare. He stated after the season that he was going to try to move to the SF position. He doesn't need a lot of mass if he's going to play there but it will help his game.
Forgive me, but it looks like comments I made led to Jerry Sloan retiring and Deron Williams getting traded. As pointed out by @scrantoncity33, I made the following statement in my blurb in the season preview in Basketball Prospectus,
Though it will likely take a lifetime of convincing, and perhaps Jerry Sloan's retirement, I'm here to tell you that the Jazz is not a half-court, pickand-roll team.
I had completely forgotten what I wrote for them and had to go look it up. Couple that with the "No closer to a trade edition" Downbeat and I inadvertently derailed the season. I think I'm a blogging X-men. I need someone to help me control this power.
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#2
It isn’t much of a surprise that the Jazz weren’t interested. They’ve got to be bottom third in the league as far as developing young players goes. They didn’t sign guys from the Flash, nor did they effectively use the Flash as a development tool for their young guys. When they did send guys down, they’d often call them back up and then not give them any playing time, only to send them back down.
I think the D-League can be a very useful tool, but only to the extent that teams invest in it and utilize it. The Jazz don’t seem interested in it at all.
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That was only last year.
In the past they have used the Flash very effectively, but there’s a reason all their call ups came from the same team- Brad Jones runs the Jazz offense. When Anderson fired Jones before last season and started trying to bring the Lakers in as an affiliate, he signed the death certificate of his relationship with the Jazz.
by prodigal punk on Jun 20, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
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Can anyone help me understand why we aren’t after Iguodala? Utilizing the ESPN trade machine deals work straight across for Jefferson or for Millsap and Raja. Seems like if they want to get rid of him for Kaman and cap space they might even take Okur plus 12 pick. We need a SG, they need size and I don’t know what I am missing here. Other than Irving or Williams is there anyone in this draft you would want more than Iggy?
One reason is his contract is terrible
by Evans Almighty on Jun 20, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I have grown attached to terrible contracts. I don’t know what we would do without one…
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by JD23UT on Jun 20, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes
Yes, I have a framed copy of AK’s terrible contract on my wall. I desperately hope the Jazz will enter into some additional terrible contracts. Okur’s deal is terrible but at least it’s not that long.
How So?
The contract is less than Jefferson’s per year although it is for one extra year. And It is also one year longer than both Millsap’s and Bell’s. So as the team is presently constructed would you not want to move a big for a SG and the only financial burden would be that one additional year? Does not seem terrible to me when comparing it to Jefferson’s Deal.
Well jeffersons is horrible too
Plus you always have to pay a premium for a big mans contract not true with wings
by Evans Almighty on Jun 20, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Iggy isn't a Scoring wing
I don’t want anything to do with him, I’ll hold to my line that Hayward will be better offensively and comparable defensively.
stay loose
it seems like if you are the Jazz you have to stay loose and flexible and not really make any long-term commitments unless those commitments are to someone who is truly a top talent such as a perennial all-star or someone you think has long-term HOF talent, or unless it’s a younger player with a cheap contract. AI is a nice player but I think you would have to commit too many resources to a guy who will help them win games but is just a stop gap. I guess I’m not interesting in just winning games, it seems like the Jazz need to get on a trajectory to actually competing for a title and they are so far away from that goal right now it seems like they need to avoid overcommitting assets to a player like AI.
Did anyone see the rumor that Milwaukee was discussing a trade of Bogut and #10 pick to Minnesota for the #2 pick. Why in the world would Milwaukee do that? I don’t see anyone in this year’s draft as good as Bogut. If he really is available, the Jazz need to get in on the action. He’s a legitimate defensive center who can also play offense, and is in his prime—the type of player that is never traded.
I took a crack at comparing players in the draft (who might be available to the Jazz) with past players—here it is:
- pick
Kyrie Irving—a poor man’s Isiah Thomas
Derrick Williams—a poor man’s Carmelo Anthony
Enes Kanter—Kurt Thomas
Brandon Knight—a 5% smaller Clyde Drexler
- pick
Bismack Biyombo—Ben Wallace
Chris Singleton—a taller, faster Ron Artest (without the crazy personality)
Kawhi Leonard—Gerald Wallace
Jimmer Fredette—a little bit shorter and stockier Jeff Hornacek
Tobias Harris—Josh Smith
Jordan Hamilton—Danny Granger
Donatas Motiejunas—Tony Kukoc
by Fesenko for President on Jun 20, 2011 11:32 AM MDT reply actions
top group should say pick #3
bottom group should say pick #12
by Fesenko for President on Jun 20, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
The Bucks would probably only trade Bogut if it meant they could get Williams or Irving
But if there was a way to get him using our 3rd pick, that’d be a dream come true.
guess
I’m guessing the Jazz totally love Jimmer and want to draft him but worry he won’t be there at #12 and worry that taking him at #3 is too high. I predict either they draft Knight at 3 and Singleton at 12 or they slide back and take Jimmer and then Singleton. I think they feel like they have to get a PG one way or the other—the Jazz without a PG with an identity is hard to imagine for the Jazz brass coming off of 25 years with Stockton and Deron and before that Ricky Green. I bet they want to have Harris train either Knight or Jimmer at PG and with no defensive identity it seems too tempting to pass on Singleton if he is still available. They would likely then try to keep Miles on a short contract to give them other options at SG and SF. I also predict by sliding down in the first round it enables them to pick up that rebounding expert (the guy who has the all-time NCAA record for rebounds from the small school) which then enables them to move Millsap and still have rebounding and hustle off the bench behind Favors, Jefferson, and Okur.
You talking about Faried?
That’d be sweet.
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Downbeat?
Looks like the Downbeat number stayed on Vacation. BBJ must have taken it to somewhere nice!
#1 John Hollinger Draft Rater
Hollinger works his numerical magic and rates the draft choices. His list ends up like this:
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Tristan Thompson
4. Jonas Valuncianas
5. Kawhi Leonard
6. Enes Kanter
7. Kemba Walker
8. Tobias Harris
9. Alec Burks
10. Jordan Hamilton
11. Bismack Biyombo
12. Brandon Knight
13. Tyler Honeycutt
14. Jon Leuer
15. Nikola Vucevic
It is an ESPN Insider Article and it can be found here: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=draftrater-110620
Well that's frightening
And where is Jimmer?
0. Jimmer
Thanks
Kevin Durrant hasn’t gotten back to me with his insider username and password yet.
Reports are that Valancinius won't be able to get a buyout to play next season
If he could drop to #12 that’d be a huge steal, despite him not coming over right away
who would odd man out be if they went big
by jadedeed2327 on Jun 20, 2011 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions
For this year? Probably whoever's drafted. Especially if he stays in Europe.
For next year? Depends how everyone plays this year.
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#4
You made my day seeing I made the downbeat. Also, maybe I need to re-evaluate my life reading the Basketball Prospectus for like the 12th time :)
by scrantonicity33 on Jun 20, 2011 7:07 PM MDT reply actions
Kanter "not much of an athlete"??
Really?? Waych his spin move on the youtube
clips. I.ve heard a scout compare his athletic ability to grab rebounfs to that of Malone. His body fat is less than 8%. He might not be a degensive wonder at 19 years old – but there i’d no reason he can’t. You might not want him at three but I think “unathletic” is inaccurate. At least based on what I’ve read and watched.
yojimbo is jazzed
by jazzed on Jun 21, 2011 5:37 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Why did none of you yell at me for using sum instead of some?
Man, that was bad.
by Basketball John on Jun 21, 2011 7:06 AM MDT reply actions
If we called out everything
it’d take up WAY too much space in the comments every time. ;-)
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Because I wasn't feeling
anal when I read it, thanks to a great time at Nibley Park yesterday.
"We can’t put diapers on him one night, and a jockstrap the next night. It’s just the way it is." -Sloan on a certain player
because we aren't that type of people
we all know what you meant and we all have made mistakes when typing. And, last time I checked this wasn’t an English class it was a comment board.

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