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The Footnote Years - The Downbeat - #503

  Does this last season and current team seem like a giant footnote?  What I mean by that is that we have and have had a roster of players that could more than likely be gone before or after this season or are already gone.

Here's a list of the guys already gone that we've had this past season: Deron Williams, Kyle Weaver, and Marcus Cousin.  Players that are likely gone: Francisco Elson, Ronnie Price, and Raja Bell.  Players that have a greater than 50% chance of being gone: Andrei Kirilenko.  Players that could be moved: Devin Harris, Al Jefferson, and Mehmet Okur.  That's not even counting CJ Miles.  I'm not sure what category to put him in.

The biggest footnote players for this season may be Al Jefferson and Devin Harris.  The others don't really leave a mark because we have roster fillers every season.  But these are two big names that landed with the team under entirely different, but related circumstances.  One was supposed to be made an All-star when he came and the other was traded for one.  I agree with the sentiment of most here and think that Jefferson will be here next season.  Harris likely will be as well.  However, both seems to be stopgaps until younger players develop.  

A large part of their respective futures will be dependent on the draft.  If the Jazz go with a PG, then Harris' days become numbered.  He would likely finish out his contract here as the draftee develops, but he wouldn't be the future.

If the Jazz go big, then there's a huge logjam with bigs.  That's a good problem to have most will tell you but there's only a certain amount of minutes to go around.  You have to decide who your core is going to be.

Could Jefferson and Harris be the biggest footnote players of all time on the Jazz?  Anyone else with a bigger name that has been on the Jazz for so little time?  I thought of Chambers or Manning but both were well past their prime when they came here.  Anyone else?  Does Dominique Wilkins qualify?  He never put on a Jazz uniform but might be a footnote player.

 The Jazz will be in Chicago today meeting with Enes Kanter.  He also has a visit with the Raptors on Monday and  then a workout with the Cavaliers on Tuesday.  I don't know if we'll hear much out of this meeting with the Jazz.

After that, the Jazz head overseas to view international prospects.  Jody Genessy has the details:

O'Connor and Walt Perrin, the Jazz's vice president of player personnel, will then pack their bags for an overseas swing that will include a stop at the three-day EuroCamp in Treviso, Italy.

Thirty players - early entries and draft eligible international prospects - are expected to attend the only pre-draft camp held outside of the U.S. from June 11-13.

The Jazz will get a chance to evaluate intriguing power forward Bismack Biyombo of the Republic of Congo. Lithuania's Donatas Motiejunas, Latvia's Davis Bertans and Brazil's Lucas Nogueira will also attend.

An agent close to Kanter's agent stated that they expect him to go in the top 2, possibly the top 3.  The Jazz will do their due diligence on him, but the thing that worries me the most are his reported knee injuries he had and that last article states that he had a bad back while putting up 34 & 13 in last year's Nike Hoop Summit.

  Buried near the end of this Genessy article on Harpring's eagerness to get back into football pads the broadcast booth,  there's this little nugget, "Harpring has already begun to brainstorm ideas and thinking of ways he can improve (something he tried to do last season through a self-evaluation process). He even plans to enter the Twitter world."

Sadly, @frysauce is already taken.  @iplayedfootball is available however.  Any others that might work?

  Follow Jimmer is up and going on YouTube.  It looks like he'll be taking you through his workouts.  Hopefully he'll have more than that because the workouts are pretty standard fare.  As much as everyone wants to hear about Jimmer putting his hamstring and quads on display for teams, he needs to mix it up a bit.  We may also have a little more on Follow Jimmer later.  

Also, I'm no graphic design artist or logo expert, but I think he needs a new one,

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Those colors don't seem to mesh well.  Also, I thought at first that they had him shooting left-handed.  I had to force myself to look at it as watching him shoot from behind.  It should definitely be one of him shooting though.


  Friday open poll...  What roster moves if any should the Jazz make if they select Enes Kanter?

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I don’t understand why people always share concerns about his knee problems or back problems. We have no proof of any major medical issues. He has not played for a year….the dude will be healthy.

Kyrie Irving missed most of the season with a hangnail, he didn’t do any combine workouts, but is still being talked about as top pick overall.

So give up the excuses on Kanter….Jazz brass will check him out.

So if we draft Kanter I say we move Millsap. Keep Favors, Jefferson, AK, and Evans. Throw Kanter in the rotation and we could have a very long, big, and very competitive front line.

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by Matt_Grbac on Jun 3, 2011 8:10 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Well said

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by jazzed on Jun 3, 2011 9:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kanter will be checked out

but i have ZERO confidence in the jazz med staff for evaluating if a player is healthy or not.

they drafted lopez when he was injured

on draft day they traded for borchardt who is a big with injury history to his foot — specifically his navicular bone. even 1st year medical students understand that is a super hot spot for future injury because he’s a big dude in a job that involves running and jumping. (and don’t even get me started on the whole avascular necrosis deal — which is what actually happened)

fesenko is always sick. the media tells us that it’s always fesenko’s fault. that’s the easy lie to believe. because the other point of view, the harder pill to swallow, is that they fff’d up most recent evaulations of him, mostly for his oral surg. the jazz doctors messed up twince in a row and they (fes and his people) got a 2nd opinion which solved the problem, a problem that the jazz docs swore he didn’t have. the jazz docs mess up evaulations all the time.

we only have to look at mehmet okur – who had previously missed something like 3 games in 4 years — who was shot up with painkillers during the playoffs to the point that his body had to rip and tear for him to know he was injured. they he lost an entire year of his finite playing career trying to come back early, then hurting himself again.

if Kanter IS an injury waiting to happen (and most young bigs who DO get injured before the age of 20 who weigh around 260 pounds) i’m certain that our medical staff isn’t going to find out until it’s too late.

ps. the rest of the health and training staff — guys like zettler and briggs — are flat out porkers. if this is the example our young professional athletes are looking too . . .

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jun 3, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have a hard time dealing

with kind of mentality. It’s sports. It involves alot of physical activity, banging around, traveling, long nights, little sleep, lots of wear a tear on the body, and all sorts of other stuff.

I hav ea hard time blaming a medical staff because people get sick or injured. That stuff happens to every team and usually deals more with luck than anything.

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by ForTheLove on Jun 3, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh of course

there are going to be better and worse staffs. I just have a hard time railing on guys who you can’t directly link to the problems.

How do we know the medical staff didn’t warn the jazz about injury prone draftees but it was ignored? How do we know that Fes’ tendency to get sick over nothing is their fault and not Fes’ for not wearing a jacket when it’s snowing out or something like that? How do we know that Okur didn’t tell the medical staff to just shoot him up with painkillers so he could play?

I’m just really skeptical about blaming the staff when it’s really a grey area about who’s at fault.

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by ForTheLove on Jun 3, 2011 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

i do believe its the greg oden theory

from what i have heard the trail blazers knew he could have some problems but figured that he would remain healthy, well you’ve seen how that has worked out. it’s just kind of a scary thing betting all of your marbles on a player that could be out of commision pretty early, especially since on our team he would be redundant for a bit

by gubihero on Jun 3, 2011 8:18 AM MDT reply actions  

Greg Oden also had one leg longer than the other...

Looking back it seems like Oden’s knees were doomed and most doctors could see it coming. But I agree with Matt_Grbac. Where is all these reports coming from concerning Kanter’s knees? According to reports that I read, his knees checked out fine at the combine. At the same time, the Jazz better take a good hard look at those knees.

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by adijacjak on Jun 3, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Greg Oden

is still young and has plenty of time to make up for lost time. Don’t count him out yet.

For the Love of the Game

Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!

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by ForTheLove on Jun 3, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brandon Roy

Didnt they know that Roy had knee issues? Isnt that why his stock dropped and he went 6th?

Anyways, if Milsap wont go to the bench I say move him. If he will then I would look to see what you could bring back for him or Al. whichever brings the best value back then that is who you move. If Paul wont go to the bench eventually then I would say he is gone but the Jazz love him so i dont know what they think about that.

by woodstock17 on Jun 3, 2011 9:02 AM MDT reply actions  

#1--Glen Rice

We traded him and he was gone (I think we released him) within a few days. That’s an interesting footnote.

by Jeffersap on Jun 3, 2011 9:16 AM MDT reply actions  

#4

The M’s are atrocious too. They’re upside down W’s or vice versa. Either way, very ugly logo. The silhouette should be a tiny version of the SI photo.

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by JazzHype on Jun 3, 2011 10:03 AM MDT reply actions  

Just seen a tweet from Locke

that Detroit is really high on Kawhi Leonard. Some mocks have them taking Biyombo, but if they dont he could slip all the way to the 12th pick.

And from Brian T Smith
O’Connor is big on length, size and interior depth. Easier to get a SG via trade/signing than drafting a “special” young center at No. 3.

O"Connor has been talking about getting more length and athleticism on the team. Would you guys be happy with Kanter and Biyombo in this draft, and somehow worked out a trade with either Big Al, or Sap to bring in a proven wing?

We would be really young, and really tall in our front court. But they still have problems with perimeter play unless G-Time and Harris can improve on their games from last year we would be set.

This draft is going to be all over the place. Most drafts you can tell who is going in the top 5….. NOT this year

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by EcERyda69 on Jun 3, 2011 10:04 AM MDT reply actions  

  1. forgot Fesenko in the most likely gone list

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jun 3, 2011 10:35 AM MDT reply actions  

What about Millsap?

We all love him, but Favors is our PF of the future. If Millsap doesn’t want to return to the bench, what are the chances he gets traded for wing help?

by flibbidy on Jun 3, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Millsap refuses to return to the bench

By which I mean throws a fit about it, then he is not the player that I thought he was. It would basically kill the Millsap-mystique.

by tyrantking on Jun 3, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not saying he has to love it

Just be professional about it. Which is exactly what I expect him to do.

by tyrantking on Jun 3, 2011 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

@iplayedfootball would be perfect. I will be disappointed in anything else.

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by JD23UT on Jun 3, 2011 10:59 AM MDT reply actions  

1. Do players from the New Orleans era count?

Spencer Haywood, a 4-time all-star, played 34 games for the Jazz in the 1978-1979 season.

There is also Truck Robinson, who played for the Jazz for a year and a half, but he made an all-star appearance in a Jazz uniform, so I don’t know how much of a footnote that really is.

by flibbidy on Jun 3, 2011 11:05 AM MDT reply actions  

5.

Unfortunately, you gotta trade Milsap. I hate that idea, but you gotta do it.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Jun 3, 2011 11:23 AM MDT reply actions  

What was the reason for Wilkens

Not ever playing for Utah. Did he pull a Eli Manning? I thought. I read somewhere that we lowballed and only offered him a million but I can’t remember

by Jazz and Ducks on Jun 3, 2011 11:30 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

jazz needed the money to stay in utah.

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jun 3, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think it was mostly us needing money,

but I also I think I heard he didn’t want to come here.

I hate to think about how good he, Malone and Stockton could’ve been together…I would say at least two titles. I realise that so many variables are at play (would we have been bad enough to get Stock and Malone if we had Wilkins, etc) but imagine those three together….the term “Big Three” would’ve been coined long before the summer of 2010

by Jeffersap on Jun 3, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kanter ? Ugh... am I the only one not really that excited for him?

-So, he’s kind of an unknown, since we haven’t seen him play much. ( like Milicic )
-He’s a big man with health issues. ( like Oden )
-ugh! Do we really want to gamble a #3 on somebody like that? I’d rather take Knight, so you at least know you are not getting a total bust.

Normally I am just fine with the ‘best player available’ strategy, but this one would make me very nervous. Its especially true in this case, because we already have the luxury of having several guys who can play forward and center. Also, KOC has already said that an injury plagued player who misses a lot of games is not that valuable. ( therefore, probably not the BPA )

If we did take him –
Trade him for a veteran wing who can play good D or make a lot of 3’s?
Take half a year to evaluate his play, and whether or not Milllsap can play the 3 or come off the bench. Then you are ready to make a big ‘ol trade. Choose from any of these pieces :Memo’s contract, Millsap, Kanter, Harris, Big Al, CJ. That’s enough to bring in whatever we need.

by Big_B on Jun 3, 2011 2:05 PM MDT reply actions  

Big unknown?

People have been high on him for two years despite him sitting out a year. The guy only has like 6% body fat and is built like a brick wall.

I’d argue that Knight is just as big of unknown. He only played one year in college. He had a so-so tourny. 3 months ago he was a fringe lotto pick and suddenly he’s jumped up to being drafted in the top 5 despite not really proving he’s worthy of it.

Injuries are just as likely to happen to some other drafted rookie as they are to Kanter. Those things happen. That’s just apart of the game.

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by ForTheLove on Jun 3, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought Knight was like the #1 highschool guard coming into this season

He had a slow start to the year, and so his stock went down a bit. He started killing it later in the year and that is why he rose.

I would say that Knight has more of a chance to be a star than Kanter, but the big guy should be a solid player… unless his knees go.

Looking at his athletic numbers at the combine (very similar to Westbrook) made me like him even more. He will work on his game, he isn’t a diva, he has the most upside of any player not named Jan Vesely, so I think he would be a great choice.

by davidthecomposer on Jun 3, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is what kills me

I like Knight. I do. I thought he’d be an excellent 12 pick. I just really don’t see him being worthy of the third pick. His tourny wasn’t really all that impressive even though he hit one or two big shots. Nothing he’s done over the last few months has really made me think his jump from a fringe lotto pick to a top 3 is warranted. I just feel like people are really stretching to make excuses on why we shouldn’t take Kanter.

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by ForTheLove on Jun 3, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kanter has more unknowns

I agree that there are unknowns with both Knight and Kanter, but what has Kanter done to be worthy of the 3rd pick? Yeah he dominated at the hoops summit (one game) and showed well at the combine against stationary objects… oh and he hasnt played for a year. So i don’t think that it is fare for you to say that Knight hasn’t done anything to make you think he is no more than a fringe lottery pick. I personally think that leading a very young team to the final four is very impressive compared to Kanter doing nothing.

Knight might not be a true number 3 pick but in my opinion he deserves it more than Kanter.

by woodstock17 on Jun 3, 2011 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

In my mind, Kanter's worst case scenario production-wise (taking away injury possibilities) is much better than Knights.

They might both struggle to score efficiently in the league, but I guarantee that Kanter’s rebounding numbers and affect on the team that way, will be larger than Knight’s ability to get others involved in the game with his passing. They both have the tools and ability to be great defenders.

That is why Kanter get my vote. His rebounding is going to be, at least, above average, where I see Knight as being average at a lot of things: scoring, passing, etc.

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by clarkpojo on Jun 3, 2011 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would rather draft Knight over Kanter

because he is alot safer then a big man. But If they hit a homerun with a BIG it makes this draft a whole lot better. I will trust in whatever draft pick KOC makes. He did hit a HOME RUN with Hayward, and I think Hayward can be a all star in this league same goes with Favors.

The only reason why I hate on Kanter is because he will steal minutes from Big Al and Favors and I dont want that. Kanter can turn out to be an all star, but I think Favors will turn out to be an ALL NBA TEAM player if he gets the minutes for him to develop

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by EcERyda69 on Jun 4, 2011 12:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't Think Hayward will ever make an all-star team.

If he does it will be maybe once because of injuries or something. I hope he is just a very solid player. that would be nice. One of these days I’m going to take us back on a trip through reality about Hayward’s season and projections of him being an All-star if I get some real free time.

by davidthecomposer on Jun 4, 2011 3:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't see how you can say that about Kanter defensively

He is short, not impressively athletic. I don’t see him impacting games at all defensively. I think he will be a solid rebounder though.

The funny thing is I can’t really 100% back up Knight either. I just have a feeling about him after watching him play. Like his game is going to translate to the NBA.

I might still try to trade back and take Vesely. at 5 or 6 though, unless Knight is still on the board.

by davidthecomposer on Jun 4, 2011 3:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well I have seen what limited game footage there is, yes.

I think in the NBA he might be a solid team defender (who knows though really? It is kind of a crap shoot), but he doesn’t have the type of skills, or size/ athleticism that will impact the game defensively. Obviously a big man who impacts a game defensively is going to be more valuable than a point guard who does, but Kanter is not that guy. So I guess I just take issue with the words “great defender”.

I guess when thinking more about it Kanter is a bit less risky. If he isn’t very good, at least he will be big, and he seems pretty smart. That alone would make him a decent role player. Brandon Knight could turn into some shoot happy pg that would be bad for a team, so I see your point there.

I think Knight has the ability to be an all defensive team-type guy. I think he will have a good shot, and as I said he is very athletically gifted as well, and he seems to have a drive to be great. Kyrie is great, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Knight is the best point guard from this draft in a few years. I guess we’ll see if the Jazz agree. I’m still feeling like they may trade down

by davidthecomposer on Jun 4, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info.

I’ll admit that I really don’t know that much about Knight or Kanter. When I hear some of the comments they make me pretty nervous tho. The projected 1-3 all have injury questions or are possibly the wrong size for their position? Sure sounds like a weak year. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

by Big_B on Jun 3, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

What's with the

blog line saying that there is a greater than 50% chance that AK is gone. I’d say it’s the other way around. It’s more likely he stays in Utah then leaves.

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MonSTARZ forever!

by ForTheLove on Jun 3, 2011 2:07 PM MDT reply actions  

I haven't read anything from greg

talking about AK, but he can’t say “OH WE WANT HIM BACK SO BAD” because that gives AK leverage.

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Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!

"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).

MonSTARZ forever!

by ForTheLove on Jun 3, 2011 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree it is about 50% he stays.

by Toasteroven on Jun 3, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he is gone

Just let his contract expire and don’t really try to re-sign him. We’ve seen this story a few times now. Let other teams set the market for a player, come in under that price and let him go. Throw your hands up and declare that you did what you could.

by tyrantking on Jun 3, 2011 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

he's totally worth

a mid level contract around 6 mill. Especially when he probably knows the Jazz system better than anyone and since we are lacking defensive prowess.

For the Love of the Game

Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!

"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).

MonSTARZ forever!

by ForTheLove on Jun 3, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

But he doesn't know Corbin's system.

Which would be another factor the FO could point to if they are unable to meet or exceed an offer he gets from another team.

by tyrantking on Jun 3, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Corbin

isn’t likely to change the system much and even if he did, I think they’d be more likely to keep AK around. He’s a pretty valuable presence to have, especially when he’s being paid almost 2/3’s less than he’s been making the last few years.

For the Love of the Game

Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!

"I think he just said, 'Oh my Gosh,' or whatever they say in Provo."- ESPN talking about QB. Max Hall after BYU defeated third ranked Oklahoma (2009).

MonSTARZ forever!

by ForTheLove on Jun 3, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Corbin got around

As a player, but as a coach almost all his experience is in Utah. He could come up with radical departures from Sloan’s practices, but I don’t think that is the most likely outcome.

by 1Jon on Jun 4, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why is Raja Bell in the likely gone section?

Am I missing some news? What is the scenario that makes him likely gone?

by Shiner Bock on Jun 3, 2011 6:04 PM MDT reply actions  

3. don’t like the colors or design of Jimmer logo, looks like a long board from the 70’s
4. how about "JazzNationOverlord"" for Matt

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