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Deron Williams Is Really Heading To Turkey? - The Downbeat - #527

  Reports broke this morning that Deron Williams will sign with Turkish basketball club Beşiktaş Cola Turka.  The main source was from thi Turkish TV news site (via Ballin In Europe),

[Google translate]: Beşiktaş Men's Basketball Team, New Jersey Nets had an agreement in principle with Deron Williams. Zaza Pachulia, as well as D-Will's very close to join Besiktas. 27 year old Deron Williams, the Nets before the Utah Jazz, Mehmet Okur was wearing a shirt with.

There have yet to be any confirmations from Deron's camp.  If this goes down, it would be interesting considering that he just signed with a new agent.  Despite no official word yet, there is some legitimacy to this report given that an NBA TV Turkey reporter, Ismail Senol, is reporting that the Beşiktaş Men's coach has stated that Deron would be a big signing.  This is the same team that had Allen Iverson for a stint last season.  He also states that while Deron can sign with the team, FIBA would still have to approve the contract.  His deal would also include a provision to allow him to return to the NBA once the lockout is lifted.

If FIBA does allow it, it would be doing so in direct opposition to David Stern, whom Marc Stein believes would pressure to shoot down such a move,

There's no such clarity when it comes to the likes of Bryant, Nowitzki and Jennings, because all three would remain under contract to their current NBA employers during a lockout. That reality has spawned the widespread belief that the sport's international governing body (FIBA) -- presumably under pressure from David Stern -- would block any player contracted to an NBA team from playing elsewhere, since Stern has staunchly supported the participation of NBA players in FIBA's international tournaments for the past two decades despite the frequent protestations of his owners.     

If a player is still under contract with an NBA team, yet is locked out, is that contract still valid?  That's an answer that goes above my head.

I'm still doubtful on this whole thing.  For one, Deron has stated just how tough it was being away from his family for a prolonged period of time after he was traded.  I can't see him wanting to be away from his family for an entire season or uprooting them again and moving them half way across the globe for an indeterminate amount of time.

Second, Deron is one of the few players in the league that doesn't have to worry about money.  He had a max contract in addition to a lot of sponsorships.  If he wants to play overseas, it's because he wants to remain in shape and keep playing basketball.  While he wouldn't get the same level of workouts and practices that he would with an organized club, I can't imagine that he wouldn't be able to keep up his level of workouts and skills here in the states.

Finally, he can opt out of his deal after next season or pick up his option for $17M.  Who knows what would happen should he get seriously injured while playing in Turkey.  He would no doubt have some sort of insurance, but would the Nets be able to get out of that final year should Deron be injured and not able to play?

If Deron ends up playing for the team, and that's a huge if, then maybe we could see the Jazz of the far east.  AK and Fesenko could sign with the team.  Kanter could sign a similar deal.  Memo could sit behind the bench in street clothes.  It's all going according to plan.

[Note by Basketball John, 07/07/11 9:03 AM MDT ] Marc Stein from ESPN is confirming Deron's intent.

  Speaking of playing overseas, Moni has some great info on a real lead for AK's future.  He could play in Spain next year for four million Euros (the money, not the people)

Andrei Kirilenko offered last week to be [Real Madrid's] forward. The Russian international, who wants to return to Europe, asked for 4 million euros per season. The club doesn't have that much in next year's budget, even though they had set aside a quantity to sign Rudy [Fernandez].

This was discussed on twitter last night by Moni and others, you would have to strongly consider bringing AK back to the Jazz for that money even if you're not a fan.

  Forbes was given detailed financial information from the NBA which shows that the league has lost (raise your pinky finger to your mouth) $1.85B,

Sources close to the NBA labor negotiations have provided Net Income numbers for the league each year over the last five years, plus projected losses for the 2010-11 season. Given that the NBA is saying that they are running at a net loss, as opposed to the NFL, which is saying they are seeing profits declining, the NBA is compelled to open their books as part of labor law, and have done so. The following numbers are audited figures. If the projected figures are correct, the NBA will have lost $1.845 billion over the last 6 years, not turned a profit, as reported by Silver.    

Good luck closing that gap.  See you next year.

  Where does Stockton rank all-time for point guards?  I guess I can live with #2, but I don't agree with this,

It's fitting that Stockton gets ranked second on this list because he was the second-best player on his team after Karl Malone. In my conversations about top point guards with other people, I think that Stockton is always underrated, which I blame on the aforementioned Mailman taking the spotlight (rightly so), playing in Utah versus some of the bigger markets and not winning a title, although coming close. Oddly enough, other than the last point, Stockton probably wouldn't have it any other way.    

It's impossible to say whether Stockton or Malone was the better player.  Both needed each other and fed off each other.  Neither is the player that they were without the other.  I do agree that Stockton will be underrated but if he's second on this list, how underrated could he be?

  It's been a big week for news on former Jazz players.  The latest is Felton Spencer who will be heading to Spalding University as an assistant coach:

Although Spencer has never coached at the collegiate level his time under Coach Denny Crum at the University of Louisville was a tremendous learning experience for him and he hopes that translates into the Spalding program.

"I thought it would be a great opportunity for me to be involved with the program and share what I have learned during my career at the University of Louisville and the NBA with the players," Spencer stated. "I feel that I can help the student athletes at Spalding because I have been through the process as a player and can advise and help guide them as we go through the season."

Coach Spencer's primary role on the staff will be to work with the post players. This is where Felton excelled both in college and the NBA and brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to the group. He will also play an important role in the recruiting process as Coach Gray continues to build championship caliber teams at Spalding University.

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At the current exchange rate, 4 million Euros would be the equivalent of $5.6m. Between federal and state taxes the tax rates are very close in his bracket, about 47% in Spain to 35% +10.55% in the states.

by Clintonite33 on Jul 7, 2011 9:21 AM MDT reply actions  

If deron goes to play in turkey

it is because he wants to stick it to the owners, with the added benefit of keeping in form. But mostly to tell the owners that if i go play overseas many others will too and it would be a huge blow to the nba. I bet deron is a little angry still about being traded to jersey without any say in it.

by Evans Almighty on Jul 7, 2011 9:30 AM MDT reply actions  

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If Deron selfishly goes to Turkey and affects Dodge Barrage, I’ll be extremely disappointed in him. Think about the little people!

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by rxmike12 on Jul 7, 2011 9:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Crazy news everywhere . . .

1. Well, Dee Brown played in Turkey too (different team), and if that chicago born and raised kid could make it there socially, I’m sure Deron could as well. Deron’s family is an issue, is he going to take them with him? I don’t think so. Dee was single, and that is an easier move, I think. Is this just player posturing? I think it’s a little premature though — chronologically this move seems a bit early, as there appears to be months before the NBA 2011-2011 season is cancelled. The between the lines suggestion is that the two sides are super far away and that there is little hope eventhough there are so many months before the season would start.

2. One thing we need to figure out is if the ‘hometown’ discount for the Jazz is the same as the obvious discount he’s giving to Europe. I hope so. I’ve contested that bringing him back for $5-6m isn’t a bad idea. The harder decision looms in where to play him during our obvious rebuilding phase.

3. That is a lot of money, in Fesenko Dollars.

4. I’m glad that Stockton gets recognized – even if it’s from a Canadian website. An American one may not have put him up so high.

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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jul 7, 2011 10:48 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't think there is any between the lines about how apart the sides are. They are far far apart.

I love this news and actually hope that Deron plays in Turkey, because right now, the sides are far far apart. Like as in “there will be 0 games played in 2011-12 being more likely than playing a full season apart.”

The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.

by clarkpojo on Jul 7, 2011 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

all it takes is one, and the rest will follow

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by EcERyda69 on Jul 7, 2011 12:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

doesn't do much if FIBA blocks the move.....

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Jul 7, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Larry Coon just said that it looks like FIBA is approving if it has the language

the contract is null and void upon the end of the lockout. It is also being reported it is a 1 year $5Million deal for D-Will.

by BobbyD31 on Jul 7, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

saw that.

crazy stuff. this really could lead to a mass exodus.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Jul 8, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Makes me happy that Deron isn't our problem anymore.

I say let him and anyone else who wants to go play overseas, go play and stay there. I’m on the owners’ side and hope they don’t cave.

"We can’t put diapers on him one night, and a jockstrap the next night. It’s just the way it is." -Sloan on a certain player

by SurlyMae on Jul 7, 2011 12:08 PM MDT reply actions  

OK, you're on the owner's side?

Meaning, the side of the people who are locking out the players because they don’t like the CBA that THEY LOCKED OUT THE PLAYERS AND BROKE THE PLAYER’S UNION TO GET?

Seriously, the owners got everything they wanted back in 1999, and nothing substantive has changed since then. Player salaries and league revenues are growing more or less at the rate of inflation, and since salaries are fixed at 57% percent of revenue there’s really no way that salaries ever could “spin out of control” as the owners are claiming. Any imbalances between rich and poor markets can be corrected through revenue sharing as is done in other major sports.

If you’re going to be on the owners side, please explain what exactly has changed that makes the terms THEY FOUGHT FOR in the last lockout so onerous today.

by JasonInPG on Jul 7, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well said.

The only real issue should be between the small market teams and the big market teams. The owners don’t deserve to be bailed out for the moronic moves made by their GM’s cough Isiah Thomas cough

by prodigal punk on Jul 7, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with SurlyMae

Something has changed…operating expenses have gone up drastically. The dollar has plunged over the last decade (more so than the currency of other developed nations), and the league has grown into a world-wide phenomenon, causing spending abroad to sky rocket at levels well past inflation. Another thing, the league is less profitable than it was eleven years ago. So if nothing else, all arguments aside, the owners may have screwed up that proposal. So what? They own the teams, and their net income deserves to be a little more robust than that of their employees, IMO.

The player’s market value has been driven up by a false economy that was created by the owners. Deron Williams won’t get close to what he is getting paid here going over sees, and the number of decent contracts Euro and Chinese teams will offer will be very limited. The players, as a whole, will still make more money in the NBA than anywhere else in the world, even after the lockout, so their market value was very over-valued. The owners of the teams have the right to pay their employees what they want to, and if they want to ban together collectively to fight for better rights to obtain their goals, they have the same right to do so as the players do; except the players are probably, for the most part, sporting net-positive cash individually (unless they have 300+ person entourages like some of them do). The owners aren’t and have backed that up with their financials (which they also made accessible to Forbes after that bogus NY Times article).

The owners aren’t making money anyway. They have more incentive to sit out a season or even two to get the deal they covet. Don’t expect them to bend.

by Theagreement on Jul 7, 2011 1:59 PM MDT reply actions  

I tend to agree with THeagreement

There are a few things that I don’t like about the owners proposal, and I fully admit that they are selfish. I find the players claims to be mostly false. In any labor dispute I will usually support the ownership on principle unless there is clear illegality, human rights violations or the like. If the players think they can organize (and take the financial risk of) a league that can rival what the NBA has produced, then I’d like to see it.

by davidthecomposer on Jul 7, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

Now it’s the weak dollar that has made the NBA unprofitable? Do the owners now need to buy huge quantities of imported products in order to do business? Is the price of Perrier, maple syrup, Dyson vacuums and Volkswagens putting them in the red? Of all the pro-owner arguments I’ve heard this one makes the least sense.

Tickets are priced in dollars. Players are paid in dollars. TV contracts are in dollars. Mark Cuban’s $20 towels are priced in dollars. Deshawn Stevenson’s tattoo artist is paid in dollars. Other than for the Raptors and a couple European exhibition games the relative value of the dollar against any other currency is completely irrelevant.

by JasonInPG on Jul 7, 2011 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sincerely?

Marketing and affiliation fees in Europe are paid in Euros, in China they are paid in yuan, in Australia they are paid in Australian dollars, etc, etc, etc…Get it?

Overseas expenses for the league as a whole have risen close to 40% by some estimates, and a weak dollar makes spending money overseas more costly. If you want to know what I mean, just ask. No need to mock, especially when you clearly did not understand.

Spending in foreign countries is a rising cost that is a necessity as the league continues to promote the world-wide game. If the dollar is weak, the cost rises. What’s more, that cost is in the tens of millions. It’s not a minor expense.

by Theagreement on Jul 7, 2011 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

For the weak dollar to have a major negative impact on the NBA and its individual owners they would have to both transact a large amount of their business in foreign currencies and have a lot more foreign currency expenses than income. If that was the case (and I don’t think it is), then the NBA would have to be incredibly incompetent NOT to hedge against foreign exchange risk just like every other multinational business. I work for a multinational and the impact of the dollar’s fluctuation over the last several years has been neutral to positive because our CFO knows what he’s doing.

Your comment is the first place I’ve seen the relative strength of the dollar even mentioned as a factor in the league losing money. If you have any real evidence that’s the case I’d love to see it.

by JasonInPG on Jul 8, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

If all the NYT article did was make the owners back up their loss claims in public.

Then the article was hardly bogus. This is a lockout and not a strike, the burden of proof is on the owners not the players.

If they are losing money (and it increasingly looks like they are) then they can show the public those losses. It’s a simple way to ensure they win the PR battle. The end of the lockout won’t be negotiated in the press, but public perception will determine how quickly the league recovers from it.

by 1Jon on Jul 8, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOLed at the pinky finger to mouth part. i read “1.85 billliooooon dollars” accordingly.

by moni on Jul 7, 2011 7:07 PM MDT reply actions  

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