Favors' People Of Denver - The Downbeat - #566
by Basketball John on Aug 31, 2011 11:02 AM MDT
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Kevin Pelton compares to two trades (Insider) that Denver and Utah made last year that made over their respective franchises. Pelton points out that each was done for completely different reasons. Denver wanted to ensure contention and a playoff spot while the Jazz were starting over. In the long run though, the Jazz will come out ahead. Kevin O'Connor was waiting to pounce on whatever team did not trade for Carmelo Anthony. It's likely the Jazz would have received the same players the Nuggets did had Melo been dealt to the Nets.
Already, the effects are being felt by Denver. Wilson Chandler recently signed with a Chinese team but does not have an NBA-out. So if the lockout is lifted and there is a season, he won't be able to get out of his deal. That leaves Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, and Timofey Mozgov as the players they will have for dealing Anthony.
On the other hand, the Jazz will have Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, Enes Kanter, Alec Burks, and 1-2 more lottery picks next season from their trade. I don't think even the most hard-core Nugget fan would take those three players over what the Jazz have now.
Pelton goes on to compare Favors to current NBA players,
In particular, the Jazz are counting on Favors to develop into an anchor in the middle. After one season at Georgia Tech and one in the NBA, Favors is badly in need of polish. At the same time, his potential is evident. Already, Favors is dominant on the offensive glass and capable at the defensive end. In time, he will have to develop the ability to score in the post. Already, there are positive signs in this process. Favors increased his usage rate nearly to league average after the trade without sacrificing his shooting percentage.
All-Stars Chris Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal rank among Favors' four most similar players at the same age from the SCHOENE Projection System. O'Neal might be the best comparison. If Favors follows a similar development path, he'll be ready for his close-up in 2013-14. By then, players similar to Favors averaged 6.8 wins above replacement, a projection that puts Favors among the league's top 20 players that season.
If you compare their first seasons, their stats are pretty similar. I think he can become a better player than Bosh. He will develop more offensively and is probably already better defensively. If he peaks out as a Jermaine O'Neal, that wouldn't be terrible, but I'm really expecting more. Physically, I think he dominate more than either of those two.
Enes Kanter had his first "real" game today against Portugal. He finished with 14 & 7 in 20 minutes. Turkish fan Balil Bayazit said this about his game,
mbbayazit 10:49am via TweetCaster for Android
@slcdunk that was in about 20min,he was dominant in the first half (6/6 fg 5 rebounds in 10mins) second half was a blowout
mbbayazit 10:17am via web
just like that kanter is back in the game portugal with a 8-0 run, and turkey bring back kanter for the last 4 mins of the game
enes is likely done for the day, it is a blow out and he hasnt played in over 2 years, so its understandable to monitor his minutes
great great post move by enes 7/7
enes starts the second half
kanter with a legendary first half. showed athleticism, post moves, soft touch and even grabbed a rebound over the back of 2 portugese plyrs
Can't wait to get home and watch this one.
moni has Eurobasket on lockdown. Everybody should be reading her stuff.
Kyrylo Fesenko, Ronnie Price, and Earl Watson have all made an appearance on ESPN's top 500 NBA players since we last checked in. Fess does rank higher than Luke Walton and several rookies. Of the three, I think only Watson returns though.
295 
Earl Watson
Utah Jazz | PG | Age: 32 | Stats
@C_Ramsay: Did you know? Hollinger in 2005: Watson is NBA's best defensive point guard. Hollinger 2011: Watson still worth honorable mention. #NBArank3.33 298 
Ronnie Price
Utah Jazz | PG | Age: 28 | Stats
@Mr_Beezy47: #NBArank 298 is what you get just by practicing with/against Deron Williams for three years. Someone tell Jordan Farmar happy days are here again.3.27
310 
Kyrylo Fesenko
Utah Jazz | C | Age: 24 | Stats@JeffFinance123: Wow. If you told me Fesenko would be 310 on your rankings, I'd say ..."yeah, that's about right." #NBArank
3.16
Here's a bit more on the impact that a cancelled NBA season or missed games would have on the businesses downtown. From ABC 4,
"Our sales almost double on Jazz nights, so if we're taking the cut consistently throughout the season, it's going to be a really hard winter for us," said Brady Lambert, Scoopervisor, Ben & Jerry's.
Although businesses are hoping the NBA will resolve the lockout before the season begins, several stores are planning to be proactive with aggressive ad campaigns to recover sales they expect to lose. However, right now many are simply waiting to see what happens next.
Okay, so I really only put that in here because of the Scoopervisor name. We should all be so lucky as to have such cool titles in our jobs.
I think Salt Lake City should put on some sort of downtown event for every game that is missed.
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I don't even think that @LostTacoVender can deny we got a better deal than the Nuggets.
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I wouldn't mind having Jermaine O'Neal in his prime
He was pretty dominant until he got injured in 2004. After that he was never quite the same. I would be pretty happy if Favors developed similarly, assuming he doesn’t have any injury problems that plagued O’Neal
Defensively, I expect more from Favors.
Favors seems like he is more athletic than O’Neal ever was. ( or has it just been too long since I have seen him healthy?) I suspect he will get up faster to block a lot more shots.
It would be interesting to take a look at all the rookies & sophomores and come up with similar comparisons to get a picture of what the Jazz might look like in a year or two.
me too
Although O’Neal had some shots that Favors might not have. Favors seems a lot tougher and could follow Millsap and stay healthy. :)
by Russell Kanning on Sep 1, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Felton is a Blazer now
You forgot that the Nuggets traded away Felton after the season for Andre Miller…so one less player from the trade is present.
Although I think Andre Miller is a better fit for a George Karl team, by far
He’s no spring chicken. Not much for rebuilding there. Short term fix.
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If I thought that Miller had 5 more good years in him, I would rather have him than Devin Harris.
by Fesenko for President on Sep 1, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Miller would be a heck of a backup point guard as his career winds down.
Perhaps the Jazz can get him when he becomes a free agent next year, as a backup. He’s one of the few backup point guards I would want ahead of Earl Watson.
by Fesenko for President on Sep 1, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would want to be a backup
I think he’d probably retire when he hit that point.
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I'd feel much better about having Miller in a game when you needed a game winning shot, than Harris.
Miller probably wouldn’t be taking the game winning shot himself, unless it was on a drive to the basket, but he’s got game smarts and would have a much better chance of getting someone else in position to make a game winning shot. That is something we didn’t have last season after Deron was traded. So, even if he was the backup, he would probably be in the game at the end.
by Fesenko for President on Sep 2, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
so the down beat or moni
should help us mere blogging mortals find where we can watch some of these euro games. With jazz players
by Evans Almighty on Aug 31, 2011 12:39 PM MDT reply actions
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“I think Salt Lake City should put on some sort of downtown event for every game that is missed.”
They’ll have to fix the parking issues, overzealous cops, or both first.
Do I look like someone who would waste my own time?
Why?
We want it as authentic to a Jazz game as possible.
by Basketball John on Aug 31, 2011 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I know some high school rock bands that would love to play. I bet we could get dozens of people out to frequent the shops.
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by clarkpojo on Aug 31, 2011 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apparantly Kanter was pretty dominant in the game
His per 36 ended up about 25 and 12.6. He appears to be establishing himself as one of the most important guys on the Turkish team. We should all be extremely pleased with how he’s doing- and the competition of this tourney is above that of the NCAA.
I think Favors can be better than Jermaine O’Neal. I’m expecting more something along the lines of Alonzo Mourning, or slightly lower expectations would be A. McDyess meets PJ Brown. He’ll be good.
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to amend that- Kanter's Per 36 was actually about 23 and 11. Still pretty good though
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I'm expecting Derrick Favors to be some sort of hybrid of Alonzo Mourning, Jermaine Oneal, Chris Bosh and Hakeem Olajuwon. With Stockton's demeanor and Deron Williams' fire. Too much?
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You forgot
to add Malone’s work out zeal.
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
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And you forgot
Jordan’s penchant for selling shoes.
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Why stop there?
Why not Dominique Wilkins’ hangtime? Robert Horry’s sense of the moment? Christopher Walken’s comic timing? Olden Polynice’s crime fighting prowess? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s durability? Sir Lucan’s loyalty?
and Chuck Norris
sheer ability to domiante. And charlie sheen’s ability to winning.
Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....
by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 1, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree. To me Watson is so much better than Ronnie Price it isn't even funny. At least 20 NBA players better.
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Agreed. Maybe his ranking lowered because he was willing to be a backup.
And because we pretty much established that they haven’t exactly done their homework on the Jazz guys for this list.
I’d take Earl Watson as my backup point over pretty much every other backup point in the league, and probably over a few starters.
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by JazzHype on Sep 1, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the links to information about Fez.
I love that guy purely for his entertainment value. In addition, I think it is much better to have someone like Fez on your bench as a backup and role player—with a hard to find skill of defensively plugging up the paint and being able to defend against really big centers like Andrew Bynum and Marc Gasol—than some useless stiff (such as Jarron Collins). And, I think Fez could still develop into a decent center. It has been my observation (as an NBA fan since the late 1960’s to early 1970’s) that it takes awhile for centers to develop—often as much as 5-6 years. And, that is with the player getting pretty good playing time. I’ve seen about a 2000% improvement in Fez’s play and court sense over the last 4 years, from what he was like when he came to the Jazz as a rookie, and I believe he is still improving. I’d hate to see the Jazz develop him for 4 years, and then let some other team get the benefit of that development.
If the Jazz could re-sign Fez to a 2-3 year contract at $1-$2 mil. per year, they would be insane not to do so, even with all the other “bigs” on the Jazz roster. I think if the Jazz had some serious injury issues with their “bigs,” and Fez got some legitimate playing time, he would surprise a lot of people.
It seems like the Jazz (with Jerry as the coach) have always been a little too hung up on playing those players that work the hardest in practice, even if some other player who doesn’t work quite as hard is a much better player—Jarron Collins comes to mind, and anyone the Jazz played instead of Chris Morris.
by Fesenko for President on Sep 1, 2011 10:15 AM MDT reply actions
You can't convince me that there is even a single Jazz fan who didn't enjoy the "hits" Fez put on Kobe when the Jazz played LA Lakers a couple of times in April of this year.
Even with all of the “bigs” the Jazz currently have on the roster, as a Jazz fan I think it would be terribly entertaining to see a defensive combination in the low post of Fez at center and Favors at PF, on occasion—especially if the Jazz could also have Kirilenko at SF and Hayward at SG at the same time.
by Fesenko for President on Sep 1, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
If fesenko could
catch the ball, finish at the rim, stay in the game without fouling twice in 2 minutes, i’m sure he’d be valuable.
how long are the jazz willing to wait until he gets it together?
it seems that their done waiting. Although I agree that against the biggest guys in the league, Bynum for instance, Fesenko can be very important to have on the roster, but if you sign a guy and he plays 2 good games a year, is it worth it?
Funny thing is
I thought Greg Miller’s end-of-season comments made it seem like they were quite interested in bringing back Fesenko.
I got the crap beat out of me in Provo one time
It could be worth it, if he is instrumental in winning two games in the playoffs. That alone could pay for his annual salary.
The other question is that if you have a choice between Ronnie Price and Fez, or Francisco Elson and Fez, who is more valuable to the team as a backup role player. I would pick Fez.
by Fesenko for President on Sep 1, 2011 11:42 AM MDT reply actions
Fes over Elson
for sure, he’s much younger and has shown flashes.
I just wish he could play with that fire that he seemed to play with against the lakers last year. If he could seriously just contribute half of that it’d be worth holding onto him.
But I dont know, doesnt it royally suck that we’re not talking about pre-season coming up? :-\
Fes
If the guys is not too expensive …. I also like him just for the personality. He is not a drain on the team and he might get better.
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