Utah Jazz Expectations, Luck, and NBA Basketball
Last night the Utah Jazz lost, at home mind you, to a team on paper we "should not have lost to": the Toronto Raptors. Did they play out of their minds? Did the Jazz play well below what we expect them to play like? Were the Raptors lucky? Were the Jazz unlucky? What do you take from a game where you lose in double over-time to a team that played last night? Was it just one of those nights? There are a lot of questions we can ask one another after a loss like that. But the Jazz season is more than one game (win or lose). And the Jazz franchise is bigger than one season (making the playoffs or not).
It is easy to get despondent when you analyze a single loss and try to understand ’just where the Jazz went wrong’. But one game doesn’t expose any great universal truths, there is no long term trend here. We lost to a team that, despite a number of disadvantages, played better than us. Was it luck? Or was it luck that the Jazz season so far has been an all-you-can eat buffet of home games, many of which were against teams a) on the second night of a back-to-back, and b) missing a key rotation guy or two?
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If you look at our season so far you have a lot of things to feel fortunate about. We have three losses at home, and they are losses with the combined margin of 11 points. And out of our three home losses, we’ve played three overtime periods as well. These average out to losing by 3.7 ppg, each in overtime. Those are close games. We’re still a good home team; even if we feasted on a number of teams coming into play in Utah with some disadvantages. (The league isn’t going to take our home wins away)
Even if you are still upset over the loss at home to the Toronto Raptors *and* the Dallas Mavericks; there are maybe four wins we did get where you could say we were the ones benefitting from some luck. Kevin Love, on the second night of a back to back, shot 5/21 against the Jazz, and we beat his Minnesota Timberwolves, when they had no healthy wings. A few nights earlier we played the Los Angeles Clippers without Chris Paul and without Mo Williams – two of their top 6 guys. A few weeks earlier we played against a skeleton crew the Milwaukee Bucks were forced into throwing out there on the court, as they were down like three or four guys. There are a handful of games you could also nit-pick about. If you look on the Karma Scoreboard we’re still way ahead when it comes to ‘benefitting from good luck vs. being unlucky’.
What about expectations? I don’t think we should expect that we win every game. Furthermore, I doubt that we can win every game we’re "supposed to win" based on ‘on paper’ prognostication. It hurts to lose to a team we should beat, but we’ve beaten a number of teams we should have lost to as well. Furthermore, getting back to the "a season isn’t one game; and a franchise isn’t just one season" point – I don’t expect the Jazz to make the playoffs this season. And I don’t think our front office was expecting that either. Sure – you play to win the game; but the smart play to win higher than we ever could before is to, perhaps, focus on seasoning right now. (After all, they *are* called seasons . . . )
We have some of the ingredients to make a great meal. Trying to rush things now is like trying to serve the main course before it’s done cooking. Let different courses simmer still (let Gordon Hayward play through his slump), and let other parts of the meal wait to come together (don’t expect Enes Kanter to reach his peak performance before he at least is old enough to rent a car). Who knows, maybe you’re in the kitchen while your spouse is on his or her way home with some more things you need to fix dinner still (future draft picks, guys we may lure in free agency, trades). We have the start to a great meal. But we’re not a finished product. Especially not 16 games into a season.
So we should be patient. And not cry about not winning every game. We should not try to trade away all our guys after one or ten bad games. And ultimately, if we don’t make the playoffs this year it’s not the end of the world.
Of course, in all the excitement it may be hard to keep track of things like playoff seeding, and lottery ping pong balls. We should always try to win the game, but we shouldn’t go nuts if we don’t. After all, one of the best things that happened to the Jazz is that they didn’t make the playoffs in Deron Williams’ first season; and ended up getting a long time starter in the lottery the next year in Ronnie Brewer (and had the draft pick assets to pick up Dee Brown and Paul Millsap in the second round). Do you feel like the Jazz are lucky this year, or not?
Well do ya, punk SLCDUNK?
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I thought some kind of flipped out a bit much over the Raps loss.
And with Gordon’s slump: our current starting SG took about 92 games to work through his slump. I’m feeling almost as Zen as Clark right now—but I think that will work itself out.
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Wow. Never been compared, even indirectly, to Phil Jackson.
Please help me understand. Why am I Zen?
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
Because whenever I freak out about Hayward's confidence you tell me to calm down, he'll be fine, etc.
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That first poll option was really confusing. Or maybe I haven't had enough caffeine today.
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i tend to freak out immediately after unexpected losses
then I can calm down sorry if my tweets were of the "freak out’ nature
I can see why we lost we had no Al Jefferson our leading scorer who is the anchor of our offense. Paul can only do so much on his own. Our rotations were weird and well the raptors played really well.
I think its like Watson said about belief being more important than talent (something like that) . I hope the Jazz don’t lose their belief about themselves after last night.
One improvement I wanted to see this year was for the Jazz to take care of business
That is, beat teams they should be beating. Especially at home. Yesterday’s game seemed like a freak game. The Jazz came out very strong and looked the team that would’ve taken care of business, easily.
Somehow our flow was completely broken and the Raps had all the mojo and shots falling for them.
I’m going to give credit to James Johnson, now that guy knows how to block shots. He played great D, was all over the place, chased after every ball and hustled like it was some play off game.
I expect a win everytime
If I didn’t I wouldn’t watch or follow a team.
Sorry I flipped out over last night I’m calm at the moment
no apologies needed to be made. we're all fans here.
if it’s not too much, i would like to know more about how you (or other people who share your view point) feels. i think that, logically, the jazz — this jazz — can’t win every game. realistically no team has done it. and according to the evidence we have from this season alone, this team has a number of ‘fatal flaws’.
on a game to game basis do you expect the jazz to win that particular night?
do you expect the jazz to win every game each week?
or is it simply, that on any given night you can win or lose a game; and you believe that the jazz should win. period.
Lastly, do you think that by adopting this point of view you may be setting unattainable standards for our team, which may lead you to be disappointed by them?
please be assured that i’m not trying to be mean, or judgmental at all. i’m being sincere and curious. i want to learn, so that’s why i made the poll. and you were kind enough to be honest in your first post in this thread — and i thought some follow up questions may help me understand better.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jan 26, 2012 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
also, everyone can feel free to answer my questions as well
i want to know how you guys feel — and try to have a good, solid dialogue here that isn’t about a game we just had; but about how we think and view our team/franchise.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jan 26, 2012 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
I like to think that we can win on any night
I like to see a win. I think we can win on any given night even if we are out matched talent/skill wise.
If we lose I don’t want it to be because of lack of effort. If we are playing good D, boxing out and working hard on the fundamentals, then I can take the loss.
If the game is mailed in, by any player, I get very frustrated.
Hope that makes sense. So no, I don’t think the Jazz can win every game. But I watch each game thinking we can.
by Nosanti on Jan 26, 2012 8:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I think that is very fair
im trying to figure out where we — the fans — expect this jazz team to be.
we’re not in the stockton to malone era anymore
we’re not in “year 6” of the dwill/cbooz/memo/ak era either.
we are, honestly, in year 1 of the “post sloan era”. at times we just are going to lose at home to teams like the raptors. i don’t expect a lot of wins this season, and our early run to 10 may have prematurely adjusted the expectations some fans may have for this year’s jazz.
which i think may lead to getting down on the team a bit too soon.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jan 26, 2012 8:40 PM MST up reply actions
The only thing I expect from this team is to work hard.
Now, being a newish fan, I can’t compare this team to past Jazz teams. Heck, being newish to the NBA I can’t even compare them to other franchises. I don’t care if we lose as long as we play the way we should; to be honest I don’t even care about rings. (Maybe that will change the longer I’m a fan.) As long as we play fundamentally sound basketball – boxing out, hands in passing lanes, MAKING DAMN FREE THROWS – I’m good to go. Seriously, if we had a horribly losing record I would still be a happy fan as long as we had played the very best we could.
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by SurlyMae on Jan 26, 2012 9:22 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
agree, exactly of i feel
i couldn’t sit in front of the tv to watch something i know or feel we cant win
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by Jazzfan_in_Chile on Jan 27, 2012 8:19 AM MST up reply actions
Like Earl Watson said
I don’t believe in moral victories. Sloan always said that if guys will come out and play hard and execute they hav ea great chance at winning the game. I think that our team has a chance every single night to win. I know they won’t win them all. If I looked at the calandar and said we’ll lose to team A F and G I probably wouldn’t watch those games. I don’t like being on the wrong side of a whoopin’. I am sadly an optimist I always expect good things to happen. When we play hard for 48 minutes and execute and lose to a team that plays hard and executes I can accept it and be fine. It’s when we don’t that I get urked. Is always expecting a win a high standard yes. does it set things up for failure yes. Does it make me a fan YES. Maybe that is why I am a fan It’s like a roller coaster highs and lows and it becomes addicting. the lows suck and make you want to vomit but the highs are so oppisite you just can’t wait for another one and get anxoius to staisfy that craving. I do very much enjoy the objective commentary here at SLC Dunk. I wish at times i could be more objective and impartial but I am a Jazz fan. I see all of our players through green tinted glasses and will probably feel they are all All-star and HOF candidates. Thanks for all the effort to make this a great place.
I think this is where we are going to see the real Utah Jazz. This team does not have any real good shooters so other teams are going to do what the Raptors did last night. Which was play a Zoning defense and force outside shots until the Jazz either make the outside shots given this team will struggle from here on out. It happened last year about this time too. Maybe the Jazz will draft some players that can make a shot consistently beyond 15 feet.
Don't even have to draft them. Guys like that are constantly available.
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I think most fans are more upset over the "one that got away" than the blow out loss.
I wasn’t disappointed in general in the way the Jazz played against the Raptors. It was a fun game to watch. And, the Raptors have a lot of young talent. Even when the Jazz were at their best with Stockton and Malone, they suffered an occasional loss to teams with young talent, when the young talented team had a great night and the Jazz had an off night—or when the Jazz just didn’t match up well that particular night.
With the LA Lakers home loss, the Dallas home loss and the Raptors home loss, I think we all have been in the “shouda, woulda, coulda” mindset, because all three of those games were obviously winnable, if just a few things would have gone the Jazz’s way.
I do think that those three losses have emphasized something that we all have observed about this team—namely, other than Millsap and Jefferson, right now the Jazz don’t have any players that want to step up and take a game-winning or game-losing shot. I hope that eventually, Harris, Hayward will get back into the mindset that they have exhibited in the past of wanting to have the ball in their hands when the game is on the line—and that other Jazz players will develop that “killer instinct” as well. As Jazz fans we have been spoiled for the past several years with Deron Williams always being more than willing to step into that role, and the Jazz won a lot of games because of that willingness on his part.
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