Jazz 101 - Mavs 117. Game 17 Review
When the Jazz made it clear they were going to keep Al and Millsap, and then when they brought in Tinsley and Josh Howard, this was the kind of game I dreaded. A game that vets got to stink up their minutes while the kids watched on the bench, "developing."
It wasn't 100% the case, I know. Hayward got 29 minutes. Favors and Kanter combined for 30, which seems to be about their average. But still.
We haven't had to suffer through games like this at all lately, and hopefully this was just a cameo, but for me it was hard to watch.
The gig overview
The Jazz, of course, have two featured soloists—two guys who are the headliners, two guys who will get 90% of the time on stage in front of the microphone. Millsap and Big Al. Millsap was fine. Not breathtaking. Not one of those moments you're in tears knowing you'll never hear this improv solo ever again. But fine. He delivered a good performance. Al was bad. He was a trumpeter whose lips got chapped, split open, and bleeding but kept taking the solos anyway. You get why he was bad (the ankle injury), you applaud him for giving the effort because he knows he's the headliner (and probably because he knows he was missed against the Raptors)—but that doesn't mean the music was good, because it wasn't. Missed weazies over three defenders. Defensive rotations slower than stew thickened with oatmeal. It was vintage early 2010 bad Al.
As for the rest: Hayward took his role as the drummer and played great. We all would have loved some more great licks from him, maybe a drum solo or two, but you couldn't have found anyone doing the background stuff better. Devin was kind of invisible on his upright bass. Which isn't always bad. It was just walking bass lines, but sometimes that's enough. Raja did fine on the piano—even a couple of nice shots that made us momentarily wonder if he was the best of the three (he wasn't—but he had some really nice moments).
The backup crew was tough. Electric Earl was okay. Howard wanted all solos (shots) and murdered them. His background stuff was equally nasty—missing the hits, out of tune, sometimes playing the wrong part. And that's why it was so perplexing that the kids didn't get much of a chance. No Alec Burks. No Kanter in the first half. It's one thing when the vets have it going well, but another thing entirely when they don't.
More after the jump:
First set
The teams come out with be-bop. No lazy blues to start things off—just a fast-paced, evenly matched first quarter ending at 30-30.
And I'm going to ask for an indulgence here. It's no secret that Hayward is my favorite player on the Jazz right now. I called his play brilliant today. Some have said it goes too far, since he's still passing up good shots. It's a fair criticism, but allow us to relive some of the first quarter:
Here he misses a shot. Marion takes off for a potential fast break. Notice that as the transition begins both Devin and Raja are closer to the getting back at D. Al's about equal to Hayward. Who rushes back? Hayward. Who blocks off the easy transition basket? Hayward. Who gets the steal? Hayward.
Next we get a nifty assist to Big Al.
Here Hayward fights for a rebound, or at least a tip to a teammate, but nothing comes of it. You'll see why this is important soon.
I love this next sequence: 1) Hayward makes a great cut for an possible open layup (Al ignores him). 2) He makes a good screen to free up Raja for an open 3 (but the pass doesn't come to Raja), 3) Hayward tips the rebound to Al for an easy layup. That's why the previous tip attempt is important. This tip to Al wasn't some freak play—Hayward's going after them consistently. And of course the only box-score stuff that shows up is an offensive rebound and made field goal for Al.
How about a beautiful pass that should have been an assist, but the easy shot was botched. Then on defense Hayward manages to be the only guy to challenge the shot even though he was being screened and Al was the one who had an open lane to contest.
And finally some mano-mano defense. Marion tries to post up. Hayward shoves him out. Marion tries an iso move. Hayward doesn't bite. Marion tries to back into the paint. Hayward doesn't budge. Marion tries to spin. Hayward's right there. Finally Marion gives up with a terrible off-balance shot with Hayward right in his face. The shot misses by two feet.
That was my boy this game. I was geeking out and really felt like the first quarter was the Gordon Hayward show—but you had to watch carefully to see it. You had to ignore the soloists and really pay attention to the crazy stuff the drummer was doing behind the scenes.
Second Set
This was where I started losing it. Josh Howard goes 1-5, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 1 turnover. The dude obviously didn't have it tonight. He hasn't had it since coming back from the injury.
At the same time Beaubois is running up 16 points. Devin can't stop him. Earl can't stop him. The bigs can't rotate fast enough to stop him.
Would it have killed Ty to go with CJ at SF and put Burks in—the one guy who could keep up with Beaubois? Especially since Burks has been consistently good defensively? Or put Kanter in since Al clearly couldn't move quickly with his bad ankle? Would it really have been this hard to say:
"Al, Josh, you're great guys and I really appreciate you coming back to play as soon as possible. But we're getting killed by their quick guys tonight. You just aren't 100% and more than anything right now, to win this game we need guys who can move defensively. Don't take this as an insult. Don't worry about your playing time next week. We just need people who have their A-game to try to stop the Mavs tonight."
Anyway, a tie game soon becomes a 5-point deficit. Which becomes 10.
The gig starts getting out of hand before intermission.
Third Set
Mini runs happen. Dallas by 10, Jazz cut it to 6, then Dallas extends its lead to 14. There are great moments. But not enough.
Finally—his chops shot, his licks going nowhere—Al Jefferson takes his trumpet and he heads backstage. His understudy, Enes Kanter, checks in for the first time and the band start's doing its thing for the first time since the first quarter. The lead cuts to 3. Kanter, who's been a solid Trumpet 4 part thus far this season, busts out for some solos and blows us away. Spin moves, footwork, it's all there. Have we seen this from him before?
I honestly thought at first "Great, he pivoted himself behind the backboard." But then he muscles his way through for an easy two. Beautiful post stuff.
Jazz get within 2, then fall back by 6 again. And all the time we're wondering why Kanter didn't get to play in the first half—you know, when the Jazz could have taken a lead instead of tried to play catch-up.
Fourth Set
It starts out ugly for both sides: no points for two minutes. Favors does a sweet piano intro to Josh Howard's sax solo, but Howard trips on his chair. That's right—Favors was going to end up with 3 assists tonight (5 on the year), but Josh Howard traveled.
Then Dallas pulled away. Then things got out of hand. Our best player, one of the best players in the entire league to date, takes only one shot in this quarter. Hayward, the second best player for the night, doesn't check back in until seven minutes have passed and the Jazz down 16.
And Alec Burks gets nothing but garbage time.
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I read several comments in the Game Thread that this was much less frustrating than the Raptors loss. The difference to them was the Jazz should have won on paper, and they could have won had just a couple little things gone differently. While tonight, it wasn't a game the Jazz should have won anyway.
I get that.
But I felt differently. Watching Ty stick with hobbling Al, who just could not do anything defensively with his sore ankle, while Kanter didn't even get off the bench in the first half — or watching Howard stink up the joint, clearly not ready to contribute what he was before the injury, all while Alec sits on the bench watching Beaubois eat Earl and Devin alive.
It was painful for me. It was a stick-with-the-vets kind of night, regardless of how much they weren't helping the team win.
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Millsap had a decent night. 20 points, 7-13 shooting. He also got burned a lot on defense. LaMar Odom is just a nightmare matchup for our hero.
Hayward was, I thought, mostly brilliant. I didn't even get into his block, or watching him smoothly stroke a jumper, or his nice baseline cuts for open layups (he did it at least four times, even if the passes went elsewhere twice).
Kanter showed us a glimpse of what he can be.
And that was about it.
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It's good to know the Kings are coming to town and the Jazz should destroy them. Maybe Jerry Sloan can magically appear to punch DeMarcus Cousins in the face.
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Great recap
I completely reinforced me desire to not watch this last game
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jan 28, 2012 8:34 AM MST reply actions
too bad for me that i'm attempted to watch every game at least twice
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Jan 28, 2012 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
Millsap had a decent offensive game.
He had a bad game rebounding and a very bad game defensively. His second straight very bad defensive game.
Millsap’s trend over his career, is that if he play’s big minutes in numerous games , his defensive and rebounding energy goes way down. I think we are seeing that again, and I think it is going to be an issue going into this two month gruel.
Al was 9 of 19 for shooting, which isn't all that bad for him;
what frustrates me the most about him on offense is that he doesn’t draw contact and get to the line – it would make him so much more effective.
I agree that defensively he was a liability.
His line looks good
It was his slowness that hurt the Jazz on O and was abominable on D. It hurt the team so badly.
And this isn’t really on Al. He gave everything he had. His ankle just made him unable to move. Ty should have seen it. He should have seen how weak the interior D was, how bad the post D rotations were, and he should have put in the guys who could have done something about it.
He simply didn’t respond well to what was going on.
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I'm a big Jazz fan (music and team)
so I’m loving these jazz-centric pieces. Puts a smile on my face all the way through, great work Yucca.
Hope we can get one against the Kings tonight. I really hope Favors has a big game against Cousins, because we know Big Cus is going to bring it just to show that he was the best big of the draft class.
Utah>*
I don't envy the coaching staff for the next two months....
It is going to be very hard to get to April with a winning record. As the losses mount, either the staff is going to keep leaning on the vets and risk losing the attention of the youth (e.g. the future)….
I mean, why should Kanter and Favor concentrate on working on their D, when Millsap and Al don’t? The message is Offense gets you minutes. Why should Burks work on his shot selection when Howard is an unrepentant gunner and gets to play?
On the other hand, the staff risks losing the leadership of the vets (and probably losing a few more games) if they start playing the kids big minutes.
Strategically, I never have liked the idea of having a team full of nearly equal, slightly above-average players. The teams with the most success (in the NBA at least) have a definite hierarchy, and players who buy into their roles.
This is on KOC if the season falls apart. And I am a big fan of KOC. But he either needs to package several assets to get one better player, or he needs to start saying that “R” word.
Because it is going to be very frustrating to watch a team use a rotation that includes 5 or 6 players who won’t be playing for the Jazz in two years end up in 10th place.
Honestly, if Ty can pull off a winning season this year
It will be one of the best coaching jobs I’ve ever seen. I think he’s been pretty good so far.
Last night was not good on his part, though.
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I think the FO has put the coaches in an impossible situation.
They are expected to win now, but imo don’t have a good enough roster to truly compete. And at the same time they are supposed to find minutes for the youth to develop, yet not rebuild.
Well said!
I totally agree with everything that you said, and add one thing. It kills me when Favors and Kanter only get 15 minutes a game. Yes, Milsap & Jefferson have been playing better offensively than the two young bigs, but the more we play the two young bigs, the more legs Milsap and Jefferson have. In a shortened season, it is crucial that Favors and Kanter get more minutes, regardless of the opponent. Milsap clearly isn’t his aggressive self when he is tired, and when he is tired, we are in trouble.
Doug Collins was on PTI on Friday
He said the Sixers last practice was at the beginning of this month and they won’t have another practice until April. We’re going to see some ugly basketball in the coming months.
Seems like Ty picked up a Sloanism
every time we play a good team the vets get too much time. then when its too late he plays the lineups that have been clicking for numerous games
by UtonganKidInCali on Jan 28, 2012 9:27 AM MST via Android app reply actions
Great write-up
Love the analysis of Hayward’s night. Hopefully he gets some momentum going.
You mentioned what was my biggest frustration, too—Kanter not getting on the floor until the second half, and Burks not until 3:39 left in the game. My second biggest frustration: Harpring saying those were important minutes for Burks. No, Matt, they weren’t. Now go cut your hair. Important minutes for Burks would have been getting in when the game was close and forcing the tempo, and as you mentioned, allowing him to run with Beaubois. Because that seems to have been working lately. Look at the first quarter from the last two games: Harris pushes the ball, Jazz go up 18 on the Raptors in the first 12, hang with the Mavericks who seemingly couldn’t miss.
To expand on my last point...
The Jazz have looked their absolute best when they get a stop on defense and run. They ARE athletic (contrary to what some beat writers kept asserting last night), and in transition they get easy, good looks either at the basket or as stop-and-pops. Those easy baskets build their confidence and allow them to get into rhythm in the half-court. Let’s see more of that, gentlemen…
I think you missed what happened on this game.
With 1:14 left in the 3rd the Jazz are within 2 at 80-82. Kanter just made a reverse pivot bucket and the Jazz have a good thing going. They get a stop and Hayward puts a running layup of the rim with 45 seconds left. The ball rims out and Terry hits a 3.
The 4th quarter we brought Favors on for Millsap and he really sturggled. He had Yi guarding him and couldn’t make a play. Kanter started getting gassed, so we borught Al back in and we were down 9. Odom started bombing 3s. We got 3 back on an and one by Al. But then Millsap who had come in after Odom started bombing 3s fouls Odom on a 3. Odom misses the 3rd freethrow hard off the rim, and they keep the posession going and then Millsap misses a shot in the lane and Marion hits a runner and the game was over.
So if anything, we went with Kanter too long, he got to where he couldn’t score on Vince Carter in the post, and Favors stunk against Yi on O and couldn’t get out on Odom at the other end. By the time Al got back in it was a nine point game and Big Al made an and 1 and gave up a big offensive rebound so if anything he is netural at that point. That were the only plays Al was even involved in before we called out desperation time out down 16 with 5:10 left in the game. So Big Al didn’t kill the team tonight. You could make the case that Favors hurt the team worse than Al.
It was an uphill battle most of the game
Because of Big Al, and his ankle. He shouldn’t of played last night. This season is so hectic that if you have an injury that could hinder the whole team on defense you shouldn’t be playing. Rotations were off, and nobody could keep Booby in front of them
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
by EcERyda69 on Jan 28, 2012 1:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Great game analysis
Could not agree more.
Also wanted to vent a little about one play that really bothered me. Mr Josh Howard. Okay, so you haven’t made your last few shots…that doesn’t mean you can’t try hard on defense. One play that irked me was when Earl Watson got blocked and the ball went to Jason Terry for the lay up. Josh Howard is 6’7. That’s 5 inches taller than Terry, yet he will just let him lay it up RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM. At least attempt to block the shot. That sort of effort really makes me mad as I know the younger guys would have at least made an attempt to stop it. I guess I would just like to see effort if your a veteran playing minutes over of the young fellas.
Good analysis by both Yucca and the posters above
I only got to watch the second half last night but it was pretty obvious that the game wouldn’t end well for the Jazz. Even when they got within two (which was great) it just didn’t appear that they had enough of consistent offensive set to take over the game.
I agree that if Ty can somehow manage a season that ends up with a record of .500 or better, he ought to be coach of the year.
“Work in progress, work in progress” is my mantra.
One other thing
When Chairman Yi does a spin move on Favors, and dunks, and the whole crowd errupts, and the camera cuts to show Mark Cuban laughing with his bench, it might be time to turn the channel.
But I kept watching, just so I could see those “important minutes for Alec Burks” right Matt Harpring?
Favors plays about 21 minutes/game, Kanter 14
Here’s a comparison from the same draft to the next-closest big in MP, Ed Davis.
My point about Corbin gets stronger
It’s pretty obvious that he heavily favors veterans just because they’re veterans. The team will keep losing more and more while the youngsters don’t develop.
I know Corbin’s been a great teacher so far, as the team’s defense has been much better, but for such a young team, his love for veterans is too destructive. The only positive that can come from this is that, due to Josh Howard and Raja Bell being awful, we get a high lottery pick that might be too good for Corbin to sit on the bench.

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