The Choice
One of the great comedies on TV today is 30 Rock. The comedic minds of Tina Fey, Tracy Morgan and Alec Baldwin make it must watch TV.
In one story strings, Alec Baldwin's character Jack Donaughy was carrying on a relationship with two women, the characters played by Elizabeth Banks and Julianne Moore. He knew he had to choose one and was torn on what to do. Eventually he chose...well I'm not going to do a spoiler here. But eventually he did choose.
The Jazz are in a situation right now where we are- eventually- going to be forced to choose between our Julianne Moore and our Elizabeth Banks.
Derrick Favors. Enes Kanter. Paul Millsap. Al Jefferson.
The bain of the Jazz the last decade or so has always been length. It's been our crutch, the mountain we could not hurdle. Now, we have plenty of it. Right now, it's working out great because Favors and Kanter are still relatively raw. But eventually they should develop and command more minutes. And at the end of next season Sap and Al's contracts are up.
Teams have playing time for 3 effective PFs/Cs in a rotation. One of these 4 needs to go (in the long term--not right away, of course)
But how do we make that decision? Who should go?
Millsap is the soul of this club. He has a heart that makes a lion's seem cowardly. He improves every year and adds new facets to his game. He's only 26, he's playing like an All Star and he's getting better.
We gave up our best player for Favors. The kid has all the tools to be an All Defensive monster with an offensive game to complement it. He's still a season or so from exploding onto the scene, but there is every reason to believe he'll be an amazing baller.
Kanter is already one of the best rebounders in the league, rate wise. He shows glimpses of a post game that will become refined and effective with time. He's built like an oak tree. Offenses will struggle when he gets planted in the post just because of all the space he takes up. And he's on a relatively cheap rookie contract for several more years.
Al Jefferson- before the season started I would've traded him to the first team that offered a draft pick. But he has improved every aspect of his game. He scores more efficiently. His passing game has made strides. Even his defense has gone from deplorable to passable (Cs earn degrees) And he blocks shots. The Jazz sorely missed his post game against Toronto. And he's such a like-able guy.
You see the problem? Who do we get rid of?
Luckily, the decision is not immediately before us. Al and Sap don't become free agents until the end of next season. But here's what I would do.
If by next season's trade deadline, Kanter or Favors are showing the chops to play serious minutes, I think it's Al who goes. He'll be more expensive to resign than Sap and he makes almost 3x what Favors and Kanter do. The key, of course, is Kanter. If Kanter's glimpses of post play become regular it becomes easier to part with Al.
Now, don't misunderstand me. I'm not hating on Al. It pains me to say he will probably be the odd man out. And I'm not in anyway advocating a trade for him this season or even this offseason. No, no, Kanter needs to prove himself (otherwise I think it should be him who goes- and he's my favorite player)
So what does that make our future look like? Fast forward to when this goes down, the 2013-2014 season. We're assuming Al is gone because Kanter and Favors have proved themselves. You with me?
For one, our balance sheet will be in better shape. I expect Al to get at least $12 million a season, probably closer to 13 or 14. (Of course, things change if he could be had for say 8 or 9- but face it, Kwame got 7.) Sap can probably be resigned for 10-11 million- maybe 12, 13 is pushing it, but I doubt it. And Favors and Kanter will still be on rookie contracts.
On the court, the starting lineup depends on Favors. If he is better suited as a C, than it's Sap-Favors. If he's better suited as a PF, than he and Sap will duke it out for the PF with Kanter at C. Personally, I'm hoping for Favors to pan out as a C. I think Kanter would be ideal as a 3rd big.
That 3 big man rotation would be very versatile. Sap brings the energy and scoring. Favors the defense anchor with the right dose of offense. Kanter cleans the glass, provides solid one on one D with a low post game and some jumpers (if he pans out right he should be able to fill Al's role on offense, or at least credibly resemble it.) We round it off with a backup Center. Someone like Zaza Pachulia, or Jeff Foster or Hamed Haddai. My dream 4th stringer is Ante Tomic. I do believe by 2013-2014 he would be contractually available. 7-10 minutes a night of a 7'2" guy who can score and swat shots- we could do worse. But of course, that is only a dream. The scientific community at large is embroiled in debate over whether the man even exists.
Of course, those 3 might not end up being the 3 that we keep. I could see Sap being given a nice contract and a huge role on another team. I could see Kanter being flipped in a deal ala the way the Nets did Favors. I could see Kanter or Favors not developing into reliable starters/6th men. (Think Anthony Randolph)
At any rate, this kind of decision is still far away. But it is a decision I'm sure KOC is cognizant that he will need to be made. But my money is on Al being the odd man out.
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Eh, sorry about no indents. I indented but it didn't stay formatted
I know it’s hard to read this way, sorry. I tried though
by Stockton2Malone on Jan 29, 2012 2:20 AM MST reply actions
It looks fine
There are almost never indentations on internet text. HTML doesn’t do indents (at least not without a lot of manipulation).
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Jefferson and Harris
If both can play their best ball nightly the Jazz are interesting, but can they compete for a conference title?? Ok City, Lakers, Spurs, Trail Blazers?? I like where the Jazz are going but I don’t believe they will get there.
Would Charlotte give us Kemba Walker and a pick for Big Al? Can we move Harris and the trade exception for Flynn and Hill?
I would not mind having Mo Williams back but wonder if he’s the right fit.
Charlotte is the team I would bet on being Al's next destination.
Kemba is their future, but we could perhaps acquire Augustin and a pick? Thomas as a backup power forward. something along those lines.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
I think that this is a real possibility.
I would assume it would entail taking back Diaw. It almost seems like a perfect idea for all parties (including Al and Augustin), but really Charoette doesn’t do things that make BB sense, only things that make dollar sense…
Actually I think there are only two real possibilities in the “Big Al for a PG” category: the second being something where we give up Al + picks for Steph Curry. I think the Jazz would do it if GS would do it. Would the Jazz do it if it entailed taking back Biedrin’s contract? E.g. Jefferson, Harris, & GS’s 1st round pick (back to them) for Curry and Biedrins. It might take that. I am almost certain Ellis or Curry gets moved for a big this year… I hope the Jazz are in conversation at least.
I have a feeling somehow the Dwight Howard thing is still holding up a bunch of potential trades in the NBA.
I don't think they'd give up Kemba
even if it was for Al and a pick, not the other way around. Kemba is the cornerstone of their rebuilding efforts. Houston is trying to clear cap space, so taking on Harris seems counterproductive when they already have two very good PGs in Lowry and Dragic. They might be more interested in Al for Dragic and parts, although I’m sure they’d prefer Kanter, especially considering how much their management uses stats based analysis to make decisions. I’d go for Mo for Al. He’s a great shooter and we badly need some outside shooting, plus he’s a better distributor than Harris, but that leaves the question of what to do with Harris. Tough call. We really need an upgrade at PG, and there aren’t many in the next draft.
I think we're gonna have to get out future point guard from some draft
I can’t think of any PGs in the league that are a) attainable and b) who we’d want. A guy like Lawson, Rondo, Lowry, Curry, etc would be great, but let’s face it, not attainable unless we mortgaged the farm.
A guy like Jennings, Collison or Felton might be attainable, but these groups aren’t really the type we want. So why bother?
This next draft is not deep at all at the PG position. And beyond this draft I think we’ll be good enough that we won’t be in the position to draft a lotto PG.
by Stockton2Malone on Jan 29, 2012 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
The good news is
that there are plenty of quality PGs in the league right now. We might not be able to get one of the top PGs in the league, but there’s a fair chance we could get a guy like Mo Williams, Monta Ellis, Dragic, Andre Miller or Augustin. We don’t need a star, we just need someone who will be better than Harris.
I don't know if you realize this, but 3 of those 4 guys you mentioned were drafted after pick 16.
Lawson, Rondo, and Lowry were all later draft picks. There’s no reason to believe that there aren’t chances to pick up those kinds of players later in the draft.
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I know
Good players, even stars, come at later draft picks. Arenas and Ellis are further examples. But the odds greatly diminish outside the top 10 or so. We may well find our future point guard in a pick past the lottery, but it’s not something we should count on.
by Stockton2Malone on Jan 31, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe, but there is at least one almost every draft
2005 had Nate Robinson at 21, Jarrett Jack at 22.
2006 had Rondo, Lowry, and Farmar at 21, 24, and 26.
In the 2007 draft, instead of drafting Mo Almond, the Jazz could have gotten Aaron Brooks, who was selected with the very next pick. Crittenton was taken 19th.
In 2008, George Hill was taken 26th.
In 2009, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, and Darren Collison were taken with picks 17-21, and Beaubois was taken 25th.
In 2010, Eric Bledsoe was taken at 18. 2010 is probably the weakest PG draft in recent history though. John Wall and Eric Bledsoe were the only 2 taken in the 1st round and they both came from Kentucky. No other PG drafted that year has panned out to this point.
2011 had Iman Shumpert at 17, Norris Cole at 28.
So it depends how good you need your point guard to be. If you’re looking for a solid PG who can run the team, then there are usually one or two to be had in the 16-30 range. The drop off of picks not panning out at all for PGs seems to come after pick 30.
One of the very few not to pan out is Marcus Williams from UConn. JR Giddens is another, but he was picked 30th and was a known character risk.
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It does remain to be seen what we need our PG to be
Good teams have a variety of different PGs, both in style and quality. As the Jazz’s core develops we’ll get a better idea what the bare minimum we need our PG to be is.
In context, you’re right, we may find our PG in the later part of the 1st round, or even free agency or trade. We’ll see. The good news is this: A wide range of PGs from Ron Harper to Iasiah (sp?) Thomas to Derek Fisher have won titles—but almost all champ teams have at least one good PF/C. And that position is a strength right now.
by Stockton2Malone on Jan 31, 2012 8:32 PM MST up reply actions
That is a BIG gamble though, if the Jazz really want to upgrade.
- First, there is no guarantee the Jazz will have a 1st round pick this year. GS could easily drop into the protected range and the Jazz might make the playoffs, thus giving their pick up to Minn.
- Second, it is a thin draft at the PG position. So the Jazz might not even have a chance at a good prospect IF they have a pick. And if they do pick up someone like Kabonga… he might be 3 or 4 years from being any kind of an upgrade.
Add Jeremy Lin and Jordan Farmar
to my list of solid backups that could potentially be acquired at a reasonable price. Lin is a very smart kid who plays hard on both ends of the court and has been fairly productive in limited minutes. Farmar is a solid player too (Lakers fans regularly called for him to start ahead of Fisher) and hopefully all the Laker-ness has worn off of him by now.
No chance we gegt Ramon
Seems like too many teams are after him right now.
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Jordan Farmar has been shooting pretty well this year.
Whenever I check the GameChannel of Nets games, it seems like he comes in and plays extremely efficiently. Not sure how different he’d be from Harris though really. Tends to be kinda shoot first with a low assist rate in lots of games.
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In My Wildest Dreams
The Jazz trade Devin Harris for a contract that expires this year. Clearing 9 million from our books for next season. When free agency opens the Jazz bring back Deron Williams. Then we work out a sign and trade for Dwight Howard. We send Big Al along with our trade exception. We only do this because it’s the cleanest way to get Big Al’s contract off our books, which would be necessary to sign two max contracts for Deron and Dwight. It’s a crazy thought but it is a possibility. Everyone knows that Deron and Dwight will play together next season. They have a few choices which can offer them a big market experience but they are all starting from scratch. In other words, Deron and Dwight will be the start of their teams. Those big market teams will still need to fill in the spaces around the two superstars. However if Deron and Dwight come to the Jazz, they will be the completing the roster that will be set to make a championship run.
When Deron was here, he said the Utah chapter of his life was over.
Sounded pretty firm on it too.
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I hate trying to rationalize wild dreams.
But a year and a half of losing in Jersey might inspire Deron to keep his options open.
by Robert_Loblaw on Feb 1, 2012 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe, but I think it'd take a lot longer than that for Deron to forgive and forget.
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What about Dallas?
Dwight, D-Will and Dirk is hardly a recipe for rebuilding………
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Dirk's Contract
is too big. They would have to gut the rest of the team to be able to afford those 3. They would be the Miami Heat of the west. I’m not saying that the other teams would be rebuilding but they would all be scrambling to find effective players on small contracts. The Jazz already have that with our young players. And to be honest, it was McGrady’s comment that first made me think about this. Tracy is right, Deron and Dwight in Jersey/Brooklyn are only Deron and Dwight. They need more talent around them and the Jazz have the most to offer.
by Robert_Loblaw on Feb 1, 2012 2:13 PM MST up reply actions
While we are at it can we pick up
Kevin Durant and Dwayne Wade?
For the Love of the Game
Stockton to Malone- The perfect combination!!
MonSTARZ forever!
Go back and read the first line of my post.
There is no need to be snarky.
by Robert_Loblaw on Feb 1, 2012 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think he was being snarky. FTL was likely just piling onto the pipe dream-ness of the scenario.
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